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00:00I think we're all intrigued with haunted houses, even though most of us wouldn't choose to go
00:18within a mile of one. I wouldn't anyway. I'm a scaredy cat. Today's guest, Christopher Leprath,
00:24had no choice. His family moved into a haunted house when he was just six years old, which
00:28changed the trajectory of his life. I'm so glad because it puts us with you here today. I'm so
00:34happy to meet you, and so has everyone. You've been doing readings behind the scenes, and you've
00:38got everyone all jacked up into this super high energy, so welcome. We all feel like we've had
00:44espresso. It's been wonderful. Really fantastic to be here with all of you. Yeah. I've seen you on
00:50some other shows as well and listened to a bit of your story, but I've got to say, reading your book
00:56is what really did it for me. Now, you wrote it a number of years ago, but you're looking
01:02at maybe turning it into a movie at this point in time, which it's so right for that. So it's
01:08called Trestle Creek, Things the Dead Fear. We're going to get into why that title, but first
01:14of all, to me, it's like Tom Sawyer meets The Conjuring.
01:18You and this little band of kids out in the forest. Well, we'll get into all of it, but first of all,
01:26I mean, just such a visceral story about a life most of us only see in movies or read about in
01:32novels. So first of all, let's start out with your background as a little kid and how you and your
01:39glamorous mother and troubled father and siblings ended up in a haunted house.
01:46Well, we lived in town and it was in Northern Idaho, a little town called Sandpoint, Idaho.
01:52And we had a beautiful house on the lake. And then my mother owned pretty much the only beauty
01:59salon in town. So her really business depended on what other people thought and how-
02:07Well, that's the center of everything.
02:08Exactly.
02:09Pretty much.
02:10Gossip, the whole bit. So my father was extremely abusive. So when he would chase us down the
02:18street with axes or shotguns, she was really concerned about what the neighbors would think.
02:23You'd think?
02:24She was trying to put a good front on for the ladies.
02:30Exactly. So she wanted a house outside of town with no neighbors, which she should have actually
02:39been a Stephen King writer because she moved us into this house because of my dad's violent behavior.
02:46It was like the convergence of a perfect energetic spiritual storm. And so it just escalated things
02:55over a period of time.
02:58Well, yeah. Okay. So we'll get into that. So now you're six. Now at this time in your life,
03:04were you already capable of seeing things other people weren't seeing?
03:08Yes, absolutely. And so I look back on that now and it was actually kind of an orchestrated gift,
03:16even though it was really horrible. But I can look back on it now and go, oh, this is where the
03:21revealing of what I'm really good at and where I can help other people. There was tremendous growth
03:27from that.
03:27Mm-hmm.
03:28So that I look back on it now and go, oh, this really makes a lot of sense. When we moved into
03:35this house, there were, there was pounding on the door. There was the house shaking. It was like it
03:40was going to collapse. There was windows rattling. There was, it sounded like a herd of horses in the
03:46basement. There were footsteps, you know, I mean, on and on and on. And they, my mom had no place,
03:55we had no place to put it. Like, I don't know what to do with it. So, but when I started to see,
04:00when I told them, hey, this is what's happening, they're like, it's your imagination.
04:05Right. You're six.
04:06They'll play.
04:07Yeah.
04:07That's your imagination.
04:08Yeah.
04:08And I'm like, now I look back and I go, what? You know?
04:12Yeah.
04:13But it's, it's the, it's that cognitive dissonance that shuts down higher reasoning.
04:18Right.
04:18When people don't know what's happening or they can't define it, it locks them up.
04:24Mm-hmm.
04:25Trezzel Creek is the place in Idaho that the house was, but things that dead fear is just getting
04:31stuck. Like my mother was stuck and what it took for her to come around.
04:40Yeah. And I want to get into that story because, you know, here she was, she was a vivacious person,
04:45it sounds like. I mean, she's wonderful. Your book's so well-written. I remember so much of it
04:51viscerally, you know, like I was in the beauty shop when some of these things happened. Right.
04:55And so she's this, this very lively character who is really also trying to protect the kids
05:02from your father. Now let's get into your father, his history, what happened with him? Because there's
05:09some, a little bit of mystical stuff in Iowa, UFO hovering overhead, but also his grandfather,
05:15his father and himself. And he was German, right?
05:18Correct.
05:19Yeah. So let's talk about his background and how he became so possessed. Well, drinking will do it.
05:25But yeah, it's one of the things that I occasionally come up when I, when I sit down with people and I
05:32have a session with them is lineage, DNA, family. And back in the 1890s, it's been a story in our family
05:45where my family were from Germany on my dad's side. They were farmers, but they had ships. They tell
05:53stories of ships hovering over them. So it's always made me curious, right? Because it's been a very
06:00violent, low vibration. And then in the family, and the book talks about this, is a book in old German.
06:12There was a book of spells and sorcery that was always handed down to the youngest son.
06:17And of course, my dad was the youngest son. He had the book. I was the youngest son. I was going
06:27to inherit it. And it was a-
06:30Well, that's a curse.
06:31Exactly.
06:32Yeah.
06:33Exactly. So it had this, it had this book of spells and sorcery. It was, but we were talking earlier
06:41together. And with something like that, you don't hand a rifle, you don't hand a handgun
06:47to a three-year-old. You just don't, right? Something bad is going to happen. And this,
06:55this higher knowledge or this specialized knowledge is not good in the hands of someone who is not
07:01spiritually developed. And my dad was absolutely one of those people.
07:05Mm-hmm. And so his, his father had had it prior to him?
07:09His father had had it.
07:11Yeah.
07:11Okay.
07:12His father before that had had it.
07:14And each of them had a problem with alcohol. They each had had these instances where they
07:20were dealing with unidentified flying objects hovering overhead. And so in your father's case,
07:26he was a man, he had, it sounds like he had a really hard time kind of keeping work going
07:30in his life. Yeah. And he would go on real rages of alcoholism. Right. And then come after your mom.
07:37Right. So what was their relationship like? And what did you witness as a little kid? And how did
07:42you handle it? And at what point, I'm asking a lot of things at once, did you start noticing the
07:46entities that were associated with your father? Well, just the fact that when my father would become
07:53enraged, his face would change. Mm-hmm. That was a little bit of a clue. Mm-hmm. And then the things
08:01that I was seeing in the house, I began to put together. We talk about sea life. We talk about
08:08animal life. Mm-hmm. Well, there's spirit life. There are these entities and there's
08:12all types. Right.
08:15of these entities. And this part of it were these entities that followed my family and affected
08:23their behavior. Mm-hmm. So my mother was in so much fear.
08:29He was violent. Yeah. He was violent.
08:32And he was violent with you guys too, as I recall. I mean, the kid, not just your mom,
08:36but the kids, everybody was terrified. He'd come home and it was just like a reign of terror began
08:41when he'd walk through the door. Well, the house took offense at this, right?
08:45Yeah. So let's talk about how the house responded to your dad.
08:48Well, it would just like that combination of a perfect storm where there was these energies
08:55would meet and it would begin to just escalate. Mm-hmm.
08:59And that's where, fortunately for me, I was able to get out into nature. Mm-hmm.
09:07Nature is an open system. Right. It bends, it grows, it adapts, it flourishes. That's a lot
09:14of what saved me was that the woods around Trestle Creek and the creek itself was really magical.
09:22Yeah. When you write about it, like I said, it's very Tom Sawyer-ish. It's very organic and natural,
09:27and these little gang of kids. And so you would escape from it by going, as you said, to the creek
09:33into the woods and you encountered some neighbor kids. Mm-hmm. And I can't remember their names
09:37right offhand. Brad and Shelly. And weren't they even your age or a little younger?
09:42Yeah. One was younger, one was a year older. Yeah. We were all the same age.
09:45Yeah. Yeah, like seven and five, you know. Right.
09:47But these people had wisdom. Mm-hmm.
09:49They had gathered wisdom from their parents. And I was reading about the parents and I thought,
09:56I have to ask you, was this your six-year-old imagination? Or was it really the pairing of a giant
10:02and a little person known as midgets at the time? Right. No, the father was probably seven foot.
10:09And the mother was three foot. You said he was about the size of you little kids.
10:15Yeah. She was about the size of you little kids.
10:16She was about the size of us. Yeah.
10:17I mean, it was, yeah, it was like... Hard to fathom.
10:20Yeah. But, you know, the thing is, um, Heisenberg, the founder of quantum physics...
10:27Yeah. The universe is stranger than we can think.
10:31Yes, yes.
10:32It's like, you cannot think. You cannot... And, and that's why I love doing what I do.
10:38Yeah.
10:38Because I've had this perspective on life that I began to realize, oh, people don't think like I do.
10:47Right.
10:47People don't see what I see.
10:49Definitely.
10:49Oh, that's okay. That's okay. Right?
10:51Yeah.
10:52Well, okay. So you're out playing in the woods with these little kids. And part of what really was
10:56empowering to you was their knowledge, which they must have gained from their parents, which was the
11:01knowledge of the spirit of the animal kingdom. And so when a snake would come, the little girl younger
11:07than you, she knew what a snake meant and who, why it was there for you or a bear. Tell us just a little
11:13bit about that. I mean, they became, I think, almost kind of like little mentors to you.
11:19Yeah. They were very magical. So my mom asked me to take the garbage out. Well,
11:26at those, at that time, we had a old creek bed about 500 feet from the house that, you know,
11:33we'd go throw a trash in. We threw the trash in one day with Brad and Shelly were with me, the three
11:38of us, you know, we're laughing and playing and goofing off as kids do, throw the garbage in the
11:42creek bed. This bear comes up and I, of course, freak out and they're just laughing and laughing.
11:50Right. And I go hiding in an outhouse and they, they're like, come chasing after me. And they're
11:55like, that's just an old bar. And, and Brad, who's five, he goes to Shelly. She said, he says,
12:03he's got the talk.
12:04I got chills telling this story and Shelly goes, yeah, he got the talk. And I go, what's the talk?
12:14And he, she said, well, bears hibernate. They, they hide for winter and they, they commune with spirit
12:22for all those months that they're in hibernation. And you have that talk. And I went,
12:30okay. But it was, it was one of the matches that was added to the pile that
12:39struck later on when they all ignited and everything all came together.
12:44You were hearing all these messages from different sources. Now at the same time, so you would run and
12:49hide as often as you needed to when your dad came home. I mean, the story of the end of that was
12:54pretty crazy. So your dad was haunted. He had horrible entities that he was dealing with as
13:01probably his father and father before him. And you said that your maternal grandmother had jumped in
13:09and she'd broken the seal on this book of secrets and spells. Okay. What is that? What did that release?
13:17Well, it, not so much release as it, as it took a lot of the power away. And there was a lot of
13:25anger around that power being taken away. From your father?
13:29From my father. Okay.
13:31But also from the book. And the things that were attached to the book, they were broken. There was,
13:39there was not so much power that they had at that time.
13:43Yeah. So the, the, once the seal was broken, a lot of the power leaked out.
13:46Right.
13:47Okay. So your dad was angry about this. So ultimately after just so much torture and such,
13:53and you got, you were, your mom was just barely trying to keep it together and strange things
13:59happened. Strange things happened in her beauty salon. Bats flying through a loop. Some of those,
14:04you have to read the book. I mean, it's just, some of the stories are absolutely fabulous,
14:08but, uh, your mom was a survivor and your dad ultimately, it seems like she left him and he
14:16died shortly thereafter. Um, he was really leaving off her energy, but interestingly, the house knew,
14:23the house knew what was going on and they responded, the house responded very differently. When your father
14:27came in, as you said, shaking and you guys were just huddled together and didn't know what to make
14:32of what was going on. But when your mom said, Hey, stop it, stop it. The house stopped.
14:36Right. It totally, the entities in the house and the house itself listened to your mother.
14:41Yeah. Yeah.
14:42You know, cause they knew her heart was right. She was trying to do the right thing.
14:45The thing about your dad's death was freaky though. Tell us a little bit about it because
14:49I almost saw it like out of a sci-fi movie, almost being gobbled up by spirits and twisted.
14:56Well, he died, he died really alone and they never did find the book.
15:00Ah.
15:01They never did. The book disappeared. So my, my take on that is
15:07whoever really wanted that book and got the book.
15:09Okay. Yeah.
15:10Which is fine.
15:12Yeah. Yeah. You don't need the book.
15:13Out of sight.
15:14Yeah. You don't need the book.
15:15No.
15:15So meanwhile, your parents are starting to notice you're different.
15:19You're driving out from the house along the road and you're waving at the neighbors
15:23and they're like, who are you waving at?
15:24Yeah.
15:25It's like the neighbors.
15:28There are no neighbors.
15:29Hi.
15:31Yeah.
15:32It was just, it was just being able to see.
15:36And then I would go to school.
15:37Yeah.
15:38You know, first, second, third, whatever grade.
15:40And I would tell kids these stories.
15:43Right.
15:43And, and to this day, that house is really famous in that area because everybody knows
15:49it because then the kids went and told their parents, the parents went and told the teachers,
15:54you got to do something.
15:56I mean, that was, there were, it was, it was years before counseling or, you know,
16:00psychiatrists or whatever.
16:03And teachers were like, okay, you got to, you got to not do that.
16:07You got to not tell kids at school.
16:08Stop telling them these things.
16:09Yeah.
16:09They're scared to death.
16:10Mm-hmm.
16:10Right.
16:11And no wonder I didn't ever have any sleepovers.
16:13Nobody wanted to come stay.
16:14Nobody wanted to stay there.
16:16Yeah.
16:16After those stories.
16:18So you ultimately ran into, and I don't remember who introduced you, but
16:26religion.
16:27At some point, some people found you and, you know, you thought, wow, this sounds soothing
16:31and comforting.
16:32It has a little structure.
16:33My life sure doesn't.
16:34So you ended up in a, we won't name the religion, but people can probably figure it
16:39out, super, super strict faith that demands full fealty or you're kicked out and you're
16:44abandoned and so forth.
16:46So you became part of that.
16:47And actually you ended up as a missionary, right, in China.
16:52Mm-hmm.
16:53So tell us a little bit about those years.
16:56I mean, I was trying to imagine you trying to convert the local population to Christianity.
17:02Yeah.
17:03It just did not seem like a good fit at all.
17:05So...
17:06Yeah, but I could be the number one world coach in the exercise of futility.
17:12Yes, I believe that.
17:14I was like, this is a total exercise in futility to, at my time of thinking, was to convert the
17:21pagan Buddhists.
17:22Yeah, exactly.
17:23I'm like, what was I thinking, right?
17:27But for me at the time, I need, like, I wanted an explanation.
17:33Yeah.
17:33And so when the religion came in, it's very black and white.
17:37Yeah.
17:38Right?
17:38Evil, devil, good, God.
17:41Evil, devil, good, God.
17:42Oh, okay.
17:43Choose your side.
17:44Evil, devil, good, God.
17:45Evil, devil, yeah, good, yeah.
17:47And it, and it was a cult.
17:49Yes.
17:49It was absolutely a cult.
17:51Yeah, it's a cult.
17:51And into, like, breaking these constructs.
17:56Yeah.
17:57That's my passion.
17:58I love, I love when people have, give me permission to go, okay, what's the construct
18:06here?
18:08And I can go, well, I'm speaking from experience.
18:10I understand.
18:11And it may not always be religion.
18:12Right.
18:12It could be family.
18:13Right.
18:13It could be society.
18:14It could be the raising.
18:16Right.
18:16It could be previous lives.
18:18It could be what's on them, what they've encountered.
18:21Do you know what I mean?
18:21Yeah, the constructs you've created.
18:23Yeah.
18:23Your belief systems, yeah.
18:25Yeah.
18:25And even, even outside influences, you know, there were huge, huge things that happened
18:32within that religion that were, in the long run, beneficial, because now I can look back
18:37on it and go, whew.
18:39Yeah.
18:39I made it out of that.
18:41But tell us a little bit about what, did you speak Chinese?
18:44Mm-hmm.
18:44Mandarin.
18:45You spoke Mandarin.
18:46Mm-hmm.
18:46So you're, how'd you go about trying to convert the local Buddhists to Christianity?
18:52I think it's so funny.
18:55They have this nice, peaceful faith that works pretty well for them, you know, that doesn't
19:00have all those attachments and hard lines, and you're going to bring them to God.
19:05You know, Regina, it was an impossible task.
19:09It was, it was like pushing the mountain.
19:13If you ever want to think about pushing a mountain, that's what it was like.
19:15So give us just, I just want to know just one tiny little sampling of how a little gathering
19:21might have gone, what you might have said, and how they might have responded to you.
19:25Did you meet one person at a time and try to convert them, or did you have little groups, or...?
19:30No, no.
19:31Um, we were very limited in the language when we first got there.
19:34Yeah.
19:34Right?
19:35So we were Megwarren.
19:37We were Americans.
19:39They called us Megwarren.
19:40And we'd go into their houses, and it was like a real privilege for them to have an American.
19:45Right? And we would take our shoes off, go sit at the table, and I remember this one woman,
19:54she couldn't speak any English other than, uh, she would turn to my wife and go,
19:59your husband very handsome tonight.
20:03It's the only thing she could say.
20:04So the whole meal was, your husband very handsome tonight.
20:08And my wife would go, thank you.
20:09And you're trying to preach the Word of God.
20:11Yeah, yeah.
20:13Like, Bible, Bible.
20:16And she's like, yeah, exactly.
20:19Your husband handsome.
20:24I can see it.
20:25This sounds perfect.
20:25That's why I just wanted a little flavor of it,
20:27because that's kind of how I imagined it.
20:29You couldn't have been on different planets.
20:30Right.
20:31So this lasted, how many?
20:32A couple years, or a few years?
20:34Yeah, three or four years.
20:35Three or four years, okay.
20:36So you beat your head against the walls.
20:37Exactly.
20:37You came home.
20:39Ultimately, things were not going right,
20:41and you were starting to really feel,
20:43this is very restrictive.
20:45This is not taking me where I want to go.
20:47And then enters the mysterious Barb.
20:50Barb.
20:52Okay.
20:52So Barb enters your life.
20:54And you're knowing you want to get out of this,
20:56but your wife doesn't want to get out.
20:59Right?
20:59Right.
21:00And the thing is, with this religion, that's your family.
21:03Those are the only people you know.
21:04And when you're out, you're cast out.
21:06You have no one.
21:06Right.
21:07You know, everyone turns their back on you.
21:09So it's quite a big deal.
21:11So, what happened?
21:13Well, it's like we were talking earlier.
21:15People would rather die than be abandoned.
21:17People fear abandonment more than they do death.
21:20So a lot of religions use abandonment.
21:24And when I met Barb, it was through,
21:28we were invited to a gathering.
21:30And I talk about this in the book.
21:33She opened the door,
21:36and I said to her, in no uncertain terms,
21:40who the H are you?
21:44And she starts laughing.
21:46And I said, what are you?
21:50What are you?
21:51I saw, I perceived something that I hadn't perceived
21:55for 30 years since I was a kid.
21:57But I didn't know what I was perceiving.
22:00And she kind of laughed, and she goes,
22:03I go, are you an angel?
22:04Are you, tell me, are you an angel?
22:07And she's like, no.
22:10I'm an alien.
22:11And I freaked out, Regina.
22:13I was like, and I started to back away.
22:15I was running for the car.
22:16And she's like, no, no, no, no.
22:18I mean, I'm from Canada.
22:22She knew how to jerk your chain.
22:23Yeah, right.
22:25So anyway, she had worked a lot with brain science,
22:27but she'd also worked with the teacher of the Dalai Lama
22:31and the Karmapa.
22:33Okay.
22:33So she had very special skills she was born with,
22:37most likely in that tradition for many lifetimes.
22:39Many lifetimes, right.
22:41So she was very adept at breaking these belief systems
22:45and constructs, because I wanted out.
22:47My son was a small child.
22:50I didn't know how to break out of this construct.
22:53I did not know.
22:54And there are millions and millions of people
22:57that have these constructs,
22:58and they don't know how to break out of it either.
23:00Right.
23:00Like, they don't know how.
23:02And it's like they become puppets
23:06where they're just repeating things over and over
23:08and over again, because they don't know anything better.
23:11And so being able to work with her for all these 30 years
23:14has been amazing.
23:16And now you guys are dear friends.
23:17Difference.
23:18Your senses are full blown.
23:19You're doing your thing.
23:20She's doing hers.
23:21You check in with each other.
23:22Yeah.
23:23Yeah.
23:23It turned into a really beautiful relationship.
23:25But in the beginning, you were quite scared,
23:27because you had to kind of close your eyes and let go and breathe.
23:30And all of the past came back.
23:32All the trauma came back.
23:33Everything.
23:34And that's what she sounds like.
23:36She really helped you through initially.
23:37Yeah.
23:38Yeah.
23:39Yeah.
23:39It was very miraculous that I did actually
23:42live through all that trauma.
23:43We can laugh about it now.
23:44Yeah.
23:45Because I know everyone's had some trauma.
23:48Yeah.
23:49Usually not that level, though.
23:50That's pretty bad.
23:52But that's what I'm grateful for.
23:53And that's the skills that I've been able to hone,
23:57but also with my own brain.
24:01One of the major turning points in my life,
24:03well, one of the major...
24:05I went to dinner with one of my really close friends.
24:09And we'd known each other for 20 years.
24:12But when I sat down across from him,
24:15the left side of his head was all bashed in,
24:16and there was blood everywhere.
24:18And I'm like, what?
24:20And I had this look of horror on my face.
24:22And he goes, what's wrong?
24:23I go, why is the left side of your head bashed in?
24:26And there was blood everywhere.
24:28And he goes, how do you know about that?
24:30And I've never told anybody about that.
24:32All my family knows about that.
24:34Well, back in the 70s,
24:37he and this girl were walking through Papago Park in Phoenix.
24:40They got mugged by three men.
24:42And he had his left side of his head bashed in.
24:47So then he had a lot of trauma.
24:50And one of my clients was a neuroscientist.
24:53So I sent him to this neuroscientist.
24:56And I thought, you know,
25:00I better go to that neuroscientist.
25:01I want to see what's going on with my brain.
25:03I want to know,
25:04now that science has developed over these 50 years,
25:07I want to see what they know.
25:08Mm-hmm.
25:09And that's when I had all the tests done,
25:14I came back out to get the results.
25:16And the neuroscientist said,
25:18okay, be honest with me.
25:19I went, okay.
25:21He goes, how much LSD do you take every day?
25:23I went, what?
25:24Not just have mutations, but every day.
25:26Every day.
25:26I go, what?
25:27Why would you ask me that?
25:29I go, I can barely have a glass of wine.
25:32And he said, why would you ask?
25:34And I said, what?
25:36And he says, well, he said,
25:37your brain is firing like it's on LSD.
25:41And what is the characteristic of that?
25:43Because they also did tests on your son.
25:45Mm-hmm.
25:46Mm-hmm.
25:47So neurons, the way he explained it to me,
25:51I'm no neuroscientist, okay?
25:54But he explained it to me is neurons fire
25:57mainly in the brain one direction.
25:59Mm-hmm.
25:59When people are on LSD, it fires both directions,
26:03these neurons.
26:04They don't understand it.
26:06Which is why the trips.
26:07Trips.
26:08So I realized my whole life I've been on a trip
26:13because I can control it.
26:15But he goes, what's interesting about you
26:16is your neurons fire both directions,
26:19like you're in LSD all the time,
26:21but you control it.
26:22Mm-hmm.
26:24Like we were sitting here earlier
26:26and one of the crewmen came up and I'm like,
26:28I could feel myself slip into this LSD brain.
26:32Yeah.
26:32And one of the women said,
26:34don't you love that look on his face?
26:36And I went, I'm not even aware that I have
26:37a look on my face when I'm doing this,
26:39like this session.
26:40And it just pops in when I see things.
26:43Which is all day long every day when you encounter people.
26:46Right.
26:46So for people who've done LSD and you're here,
26:50the colors are beautiful, you're flying around,
26:52seeing things you wouldn't ordinarily see,
26:54perceiving things differently,
26:55it's a dysfunctional state for most people.
26:58It's not one you want to go out and drive a car
26:59and, you know, live that way.
27:01First, the two questions.
27:02Number one, because you can control it,
27:06you can have a functional life.
27:07Mm-hmm.
27:08Number two, are most people in your,
27:12just in your opinion, because you don't know,
27:14I know you don't have the data, but that are able to see
27:17into other dimensions in the way you do,
27:19do they have similar wiring or is yours
27:22a different kind of wiring?
27:23And if so, what is the purpose of it?
27:25Well, the neuroscientist told me, he goes,
27:29your brain, everyone's brain is like a fingerprint.
27:32Mm-hmm.
27:33No two fingerprints are alike.
27:34No two brains are alike.
27:35Mm-hmm.
27:37So there are people that,
27:39well, when you and I have talked,
27:40you have abilities.
27:41Yeah.
27:42You know, and some of them are very similar,
27:45but at the same time,
27:46if you and I were to take a fingerprint test,
27:50it would be a little different, right?
27:52Yeah.
27:52I don't feel like I'm on acid all the time,
27:54but I can use those abilities when I need to.
27:57Yeah.
27:57But I have nothing to relate that to.
27:59Yeah.
27:59Like, I have nothing to relate that to.
28:00So if you live in China,
28:02if you were born in China,
28:04speaking Chinese is easy.
28:05Yeah.
28:06If you move there and try to learn it,
28:07mm, a little difficult, right?
28:09Yep.
28:10So that's kind of the way it is.
28:12So you don't know the difference.
28:13It's just the way you're wired.
28:14And so that leaves you kind of,
28:16as I've seen you,
28:17and as everyone in the studio has seen you,
28:19you're just kind of wide open,
28:20and I see that your eyes are looking at people a lot.
28:23You're staring at people a lot.
28:26So what you're actually seeing is something far beyond
28:28just what your normal eyes would take in
28:30on a third-dimensional level.
28:32Yeah.
28:32And you just start kind of speaking to them,
28:34excuse me, are you, do you, you know?
28:37Yeah.
28:37What's curious to me, like, what is that?
28:39Yeah, what is that?
28:40What is that?
28:40And you just start talking to people.
28:42Yeah.
28:42You know, waitresses, people at the airport,
28:44anybody, really, if you're noticing things.
28:47So your whole life is about sharing this,
28:52what you see, sharing your understanding
28:54of what's surrounding them.
28:56And that's what we're gonna get into now,
28:58is the notion of other entities and other beings,
29:00and the impact they're having on us.
29:03Because when you do a reading for someone,
29:05you're looking at the energetic dynamics
29:07behind what's going on beyond the subconscious
29:10into a realm that's unknown and unseen by the individual.
29:14Very few do understand what's going on.
29:17Right.
29:17If any of your viewers have seen, like, The Matrix, right,
29:21and they have these computer lines, you know,
29:23that are The Matrix and what The Matrix consists of,
29:27that's kind of how I see it.
29:28Mm-hmm.
29:29It's, sometimes I do see dead grandma.
29:31Mm-hmm.
29:32I mean, it's, it's relevant,
29:35but only to the point of where it actually helps the person.
29:38And why is it that I'm seeing dead grandma,
29:41not just to tell them, she loves you?
29:43Mm-hmm.
29:44Mm-hmm.
29:45There's nothing wrong with that.
29:46Yep.
29:46But that's not really what you do.
29:47No.
29:48But it's like, I was on a plane one time,
29:50and I was sitting on the aisle seat.
29:54This girl was sitting at the window.
29:56Plane took off.
29:58This older woman in a night, in a night shirt
30:01was standing next to me, screaming,
30:04tell her to lose that guy.
30:05Tell her to lose that guy.
30:07And I'm like, uh, okay, excuse me.
30:12Uh, Ryan is your name?
30:14Yeah.
30:15Uh, your grandmother's here,
30:16and she's telling me to tell you to lose the guy.
30:19And, and Ryan...
30:20I know you do this all day long.
30:22And Ryan's like, blah, bawling.
30:25And I go, why, are you okay?
30:26She goes, I prayed this morning
30:29for an unequivocal sign.
30:30Oh, interesting.
30:32That I had an unequivocal sign that,
30:35that whether I should break up with this fiancée of hers for,
30:39she'd been dating for five years.
30:40Yeah.
30:41Wow.
30:42It was exciting.
30:43Yeah, yeah.
30:43That, I mean, what a gratifying life
30:45to just be wide open, see things going on,
30:48kind of like touched by an angel, you know?
30:50Right.
30:50This is interesting.
30:52But the, I think the part that really has to do with all of us
30:57is when you've done readings on a lot of people at Gaia,
31:00and they're all like, wow.
31:02But what's really going on is you're looking at these
31:05underpinnings and dynamics.
31:06So let's talk about that world,
31:08because it's a world, I'm intrigued with the as above,
31:11as below, and the being sandwiched in between.
31:15And we talked about this before, the notion of what's coming into our life
31:21and what's affecting us and what's attached to us that we don't even know of.
31:25And you told me a story about the message was,
31:28it's not your fault.
31:29Right.
31:29So let's talk about that,
31:30so we can just get an example of how things are holding us down and in these patterns.
31:35Well, I'll call this gentleman Bob.
31:36Mm-hmm.
31:37I had a Zoom meeting with him, and I knew during the reading,
31:41he'd never had a reading before, I said, you've got to go and bring your buddy in
31:46to sit in the room with you.
31:47And he's like, okay.
31:49Why?
31:50So about 30 minutes into the session, I did my best to build up to what I knew was coming.
31:59And finally, I just said to him, there's a young woman here,
32:03she's telling me to tell you it's not your fault.
32:08And he lost it, Regina.
32:10He started bawling.
32:11He was just overcome.
32:13The gentleman was there to literally catch him.
32:16Mm-hmm.
32:17And after he regained, you know, a little bit of his composure after several minutes,
32:24when he was 16 years old, he was going to the prom with his girlfriend and best friend and
32:31best friend's girlfriend.
32:33And long story short, the best friend flipped the wheel of the car.
32:38As a joke, a stupid kid.
32:40Like a 16-year-old stupid kid would do.
32:41Stupid kid, not thinking.
32:43Yeah.
32:44And his girlfriend was killed.
32:46Mm-hmm.
32:47But the reason that came up is because this gentleman had been, then got married and
32:56was in an abusive relationship for years and years and years.
33:00Like punishing himself on some level.
33:02On some level.
33:03Mm-hmm.
33:03Like on a subconscious level.
33:05And you could see the link that he was punishing himself for the loss of this girl.
33:09Yes.
33:10Okay.
33:10And so, but what's interesting is when that cleared, he met the love of his life.
33:17And then two weeks after the session, he calls me, he's driving over a pass and he pulled over.
33:25He was sobbing when he called me again.
33:28He said, Chris, I will call her Becky.
33:32Becky, the one that was killed, was sitting beside him and placed her hand on his shoulder
33:37and said, it's all going to work out.
33:39Aw.
33:40But he saw her.
33:42Saw her.
33:43Yeah.
33:44And so.
33:44It opened up things in him.
33:46It opened up gifts for him.
33:47Yeah.
33:48And so when I look at people, especially here at Gaia, I get chills.
33:53Like I love people unwrapping their gifts one gift at a time.
33:58If they try to unwrap all the gifts all at once, it's a little overwhelming.
34:03Well, that begs the question, what happened with your son then when it was known that he,
34:08how old was he when they looked at his brain?
34:11He was probably 26, 27.
34:14And did they find a similar pattern to yours?
34:16Yes.
34:17Right.
34:17So he, now let's talk about what happened in his case.
34:23Once he, you found this about his brain, but how was he responding to life?
34:27I've actually never talked about this, but yeah.
34:30You and I have talked about it.
34:32But, um, he won all these college scholarships and.
34:36Brilliant.
34:38Got involved in drugs.
34:40Mm-hmm.
34:40Um.
34:41Just because he couldn't handle all this?
34:43Right.
34:43Did he talk to you about it?
34:45Did he say, what am I seeing, dad?
34:47What's going on?
34:48No.
34:49And there are a lot, there are people like this out there.
34:51A lot of people, a lot of these young people now.
34:53Mm-hmm.
34:54Wide open.
34:55Very gifted.
34:56Don't know what to do with it, where to put it.
34:59People don't believe him if they speak up.
35:01How was that for your son?
35:02Because you would have believed anything he said, really,
35:04because you've been through it all.
35:05Right.
35:06Well, he's doing, by the way, fantastic now.
35:09Yeah.
35:10Yeah.
35:10Really fantastic.
35:10But the journey of that, what, what was it in him?
35:15Could he talk to you or not?
35:16Not really.
35:19Mm-hmm.
35:21Because, well, if people are ashamed of what they're doing,
35:26they're going to lie about it.
35:27Right.
35:27Right.
35:28And parents really want to trust their kids.
35:31Right.
35:32Right?
35:32You love your kids.
35:33Yeah.
35:34And so I always tell people, you can't see spaghetti on your own face.
35:40Right.
35:40Right?
35:41If you and I are at a spaghetti restaurant, I can see spaghetti on your face.
35:44You can see spaghetti on my face.
35:45I'm not going to be offended if you tell me there's spaghetti on my face,
35:48because we're at an Italian restaurant.
35:50Right.
35:51Right.
35:52So it's being able to tell people that they have this construct,
35:58this belief system.
36:00And it just had to do with shutting down the fear or wanting to check out.
36:05Right.
36:06So for him to numb himself was the only way forward that he could see.
36:10Right.
36:10That he understood.
36:11And you couldn't see that because you're always looking for the best.
36:15Right.
36:15It was so close to me, I couldn't see the spaghetti.
36:18I hear you.
36:18I couldn't see it.
36:19Oh, yeah.
36:20Yeah.
36:20I couldn't see it.
36:21It's a child.
36:21Yeah.
36:22So then he did find his way out.
36:24Right.
36:24And he's in a really good place now.
36:26So now how are these abilities being used in him or did he keep them shut down?
36:31No.
36:32They're evolving big time.
36:34Yeah.
36:34He's in a place where he's moving into being able to help a lot of other people.
36:38Yeah.
36:38You know, it really is extraordinary.
36:40Yeah.
36:41It really is extraordinary.
36:42Well, I brought it up because so many young people are in this situation now and so many
36:49parents don't understand what's going on.
36:51Mm-hmm.
36:52Let me ask you, since you're the one out there with, you know, the feelers all day,
36:58every day, what are you seeing in these young people that are coming online now?
37:03They don't know where they're supposed to be in the world.
37:05The systems aren't working for them anymore.
37:07Some of them are very talented, intuitive, wide open creators.
37:11What are you seeing in their auras?
37:13So you can give a reflection back to some of the parents watching who don't understand what's
37:18going on with their kid.
37:19Let me describe it like this.
37:21Let's say you have a pristine field, like literally green grass, cows, and then you have
37:28boulders or you have broken down tractor machinery.
37:36You know, you have stuff in the field.
37:39That's the way I see people's energetic field.
37:42So it's always going to be a little bit different.
37:45Mm-hmm.
37:45So my forte is to help people remove that.
37:48Mm-hmm.
37:49Like here, here's, of course, with their permission.
37:52Mm-hmm.
37:53But to remove that obstacle.
37:55And sometimes it's from previous lives.
37:59Yes.
38:00Bringing a lot of that in now because the times are allowing it.
38:02Mm-hmm.
38:03A lot of people coming back from Atlantean times, for example,
38:06um, are coming back with incredible knowledge, ability, and power they had back then
38:11that hasn't been useful until now.
38:13Right.
38:14Right.
38:15Yeah.
38:16Well, and then, and then for instance, even like I was reading for a gentleman one time,
38:21and he had this weird little thing off to the side of him.
38:23It was like a energy field.
38:26And it turns out we were talking, it was his previous life as a soldier and he'd been shot
38:33down over Germany during World War II and was alive the whole time he was falling, right?
38:39He was shot down, the plane was shot down.
38:41And so for thousands of feet, he was, at least I'm dying for a cause.
38:46At least I'm dying for a cause.
38:47At least I'm dying for a cause.
38:49America, America.
38:50Well, when he came back to this life, he was in the family of a senator and he was at
38:57every political rally.
38:59He was at, you know, he had every, he had thousands of t-shirts about America and the
39:03hats and the outfits and the flags.
39:04Wow.
39:07Because that had carried over with him about, I have to die for a cause, I have to die for a cause.
39:12But he wasn't living.
39:13He was caught in that construct from the past.
39:16Yes.
39:17Right.
39:19And so some of these young people are very old souls.
39:22Yeah.
39:23Right.
39:24And it's just, hey, you want to remember something?
39:29That's what you do.
39:30So that's what, essentially that's what you're trying to do is help them see themselves
39:35beyond the constructs, not just the kids, but the rest of us.
39:39Another question I just thought I'd ask you because of the work I've done
39:43with another interviewee about the nature of souls that are incarnating now, that there are many more
39:49that are incarnating from off-planet sources and they're coming as human, but they're not really
39:54from here. And they're here to do what they're here to do. What are you seeing with that?
40:00Have you ever seen a dog hear a weird noise and do this?
40:05I'm doing that a lot more lately. What are you? They're different energy.
40:11Yeah.
40:11There's a definitely different energy about them.
40:13Mm-hmm.
40:14Um, I walked, I was walking by, I worked for a major corporation and I didn't know half the
40:20people there, but I was walking down the hall one day and I went, excuse me, you were abducted,
40:25weren't you? And he's like, how do you know that? And he was raised in Alaska and he and his buddy
40:35were out driving one night. They see this huge ship. They go into the overpass. The ship is gone.
40:42They turn around and come back and there's a guy in the street. They go, did you see that ship?
40:47Well, they saw this ship at 11 o'clock at night. Now it was five o'clock in the morning. They lost
40:52like six hours, but he had this energy. There's like a, there's a certain vibration or an energy.
40:58With an ET influence.
40:59That my LSD brain, I don't know. I just sense like there's something, but I have this insatiable
41:06zest and amazing appetite for life and this curiosity. I know you have that too. It's why you
41:12do what you do so well. I feel like Scooby-Doo, you know, what, what is that? What is that?
41:20Yeah.
41:20It's so amazing.
41:21Well, because right now different things are needed. Society's developing in new ways and
41:26some of it's going to be some of our hybrid blood from the past and et cetera. So I just brought
41:31all of this up because this is really just sort of an introduction to who you are and what you do
41:36because in a, in another conversation down the road, what I'd like to talk about
41:41is if most people are unconscious, unknowingly being affected by beings in other dimensions around
41:50them and oftentimes holding them in patterns and to the negative, then how we can begin
41:57doing our own kind of ghost busting. Because right now you're able to help people do that,
42:03but not everybody knows you or can and have a reading with you. So we need to look at the next
42:09time we'll talk about how we identify when that's what's influencing us and then how we can go about
42:16disrupting those connections ourselves.
42:18Great. Can I start it out with just one question?
42:21Yeah.
42:22Ask yourself, where is this coming from? Don't assume when you walk onto an elevator
42:28and somebody is packed, the elevator's packed, that the elevator, somebody on there has body odor.
42:34Never assume it's your body odor. Go, whew, where is that coming from?
42:38Mm-hmm.
42:39Notice that if all of a sudden you're feeling depressed or anxiety or...
42:44Out of nowhere.
42:46Never claim it. Go, what is this? Oh, this is anxiety.
42:50Yeah.
42:51This is depression. And go, where is this coming from? Start there.
42:55Start with asking that question.
42:56Start where is this coming from?
42:57Yeah. We used to have a, I guess he was friendly enough, garbage man, my son and I,
43:03he'd just show up in the middle of the living room in a cylinder about three feet around.
43:08There was a shaft in the middle of the living room and you'd walk through it and it was,
43:12oh man, it was like burning garbage and it's like, oh my God, the garbage man's here.
43:16And we just like, whew, you know, and walk away. He was there pretty much most days, you know?
43:22Yeah.
43:23Don't know what he was doing there. So, yes, life is stranger than fiction,
43:28so, and your life in particular. So, Christopher, I just want to say thank you so much for joining
43:33us and for letting everyone have a chance to get to know you because everyone here at Gaia knows that
43:38you need to come back and inform us a little bit more about this, these other realms. So,
43:43I just wanted to make that statement in advance.
43:45I love it dearly. You're amazing. Thank you so much.
43:48Again, the title of Christopher's book is Trestle Creek, What the Dead Fear. It's a harrowing story
43:55of haunting, but a beautiful, rich story of a young boy's observation and experience of the people he
44:00loved and growing out of the trauma of his youth. Until next time, thank you for joining us here on Open Minds.
44:08I'll see you next time.
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