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00:00This is a subject I love, our connection to our beloved pets.
00:18Tammy Billups is a pet medium who has written an award-winning book on our soul contracts
00:22with our pets, and now one on how our pets can help heal us, and we can help heal their
00:28wounded parts as well. I can't help but think of my little wounded terrier, Ernie, in this
00:33subject, and I'm sure you're going to find your little dog or your cat somewhere in this
00:36story, too. So let's go to Tammy. Tammy, I'm so happy to have you here. I just, I love,
00:40love, love this topic.
00:42Thank you so much. I love it, too. I never tire of it.
00:45Well, let's get into your background and how you ended up doing this, because people, how
00:50did she end up talking to animals and connecting with them, you know, telepathically and so forth.
00:55So let's get into your background a bit.
00:57Okay. Well, it wasn't part of my plan to do this. You've probably heard that before.
01:02I began working with people more. I took a four-year certification to learn how to help
01:09people heal their emotional wounds through the energy fields, and I was maybe in the first
01:17year of doing that, and animals had always been a big blessing to me. I, like many people,
01:23had a lot of trauma in the past where animals were safer to let in, and so I always had animals
01:28close to me, and I wondered, I wonder if this stuff works with animals. And so it was interesting,
01:34because I began asking my friends, can I work on your animals and just see if I can see what's
01:39happening in their energy fields? And when I did that, the fascinating thing was that I would
01:45look into their energy field and see a clear pattern. There are certain characteristics or the
01:50way that the energy flows for certain emotional wounds that are predictable. And so I would see
01:55perhaps that the animal had an abandonment wound in their energy field, and then I would kind of
02:00pan to their person. And guess what? Their person had the same emotional wound that was unhealed.
02:08And I found that fascinating.
02:09Yeah. Now, as you're saying this, everybody think about your pets and their wounds they bring and
02:15how you mirror them, because I'm doing that as we're talking, but I have a couple questions.
02:20So you must have been very open and empathetic to begin with.
02:23Yes.
02:24Yeah. So you're an empath. So when you looked in their field at their wounds, did it show up
02:29similarly to how that would show up in a human field?
02:32It did. And I'm not sure if that was just for ease of me recognizing it.
02:36It'll present how it needs to for your recognition.
02:38Correct. Correct. But yes, it was very much there. And I started noticing that there were
02:44behaviors that were the same between them. There were certain differences between how people might
02:49show up with abandonment or an animal, but it is predictable for different ways that their
02:55behaviors are going to be, or they're going to talk a lot, or they're going to, depending on what
02:59their emotional wound is.
03:00Interesting. Yeah. As I'm kind of searching through too, in my own mind, I'm thinking,
03:04wow, I must be schizophrenic because of the variety of dogs that I brought to me. But it's interesting
03:12that the female dogs I've had, I got from puppyhood and they were perfect. They were just kind of
03:19perfect little dogs. They didn't have any issues, confident. You could even do fireworks on 4th of
03:23July. Didn't bother them any. The males were the wounded ones that had had trauma when I got them.
03:31Wow. What a difference in the two types of dogs. But it was nice to be surrounded by both kinds of
03:37energy, but your heart just pours out to the ones who have been wounded.
03:40Of course. Of course. So it must have been where you were on your emotional journey as well, that you
03:45were open to receiving that in any way, maybe doing some deeper work at that time.
03:49Yeah. Yeah. I mean, and I bring it up because everybody's thinking, they might even be pausing
03:54for a second. Yeah. What about that dog I had back then? And now in your case, it's cat. So
03:59let's get into the notion of, was there one particular pet that you had along the way that
04:05just, you knew when you met them, this being was here for you and you were here for them. You knew
04:11you had a soul connection even before you understood all of this.
04:14Oh yeah. It definitely happened before. That's what really changed my life because we weren't
04:19really allowed to, as a child, I wasn't allowed to have animals. I'm not one of those animal
04:23people that says, I lived on a farm and I had, I was talking to animals early. That was not
04:28the case. They weren't allowed in my house. They were dirty and in my mom's mind. So when
04:33I got into my career that I traveled a bunch in my twenties, I started wanting an animal and
04:40the cat seemed to be the, the perfect choice for traveling. Yeah. Not as codependent. Correct.
04:45Yeah. And so when I got this kitten, Kalua, who I found on the side of the road, she was
04:50this flotchy little named her Kalua because it looked like someone had spilt some on her.
04:54Oh. And she loved, she looked at me in a way that no one had ever looked at me before and
05:01it still brings up emotion today. I understand. And you don't realize that you've never heard
05:07or felt unconditional love until you feel it for the first time. And animals are so extraordinary
05:14in that they bring that to humans that have had a lot of trauma in their past. She changed
05:19me. She rocked me at my core because I had felt that. I didn't know that I could love in
05:25that way. They were my safety net and they always will be. It's a different relationship
05:31now, of course, that I'm on a conscious journey than the relationship I had with my animals in
05:36my 20s and 30s, which were much more codependent, I might have. Sure. Sure. What it really does
05:41underscore is that in the human world, love tends to be so conditional. It shouldn't be,
05:49but in the end, it is. Yeah. And part of the way you understand that is by feeling the contrast
05:56when it's not conditional. Right.
05:59The very ones that love us unconditionally are the ones that we outlive, too. And that
06:05certainly for a lot of people is the biggest trauma, one of the biggest traumas in their life.
06:09But yeah, and I had a dog named Sugar Bear who was a Samoyed. She was draped over a man's arm. He
06:15was walking through the parking lot and he was carrying a little free sign with him. And I
06:20thought, this can't be this cute little floppy white puppy. And she ended up being the most
06:26unconditionally loving, beautiful entity that I had ever met in my life, just like what you're
06:31talking about. And actually, because my love for her was so deep, I stayed in a not very good human
06:36relationship for years. Oh, for the kids.
06:40Yeah, for the kids. And I think people can really understand that and relate to it. So let's go to now
06:46how this soul contract part of it, because that's another book you've written before we start going
06:51into the reflective mirrored healing parts.
06:54Yeah. So that we do have these, our souls line up agreements between us and our animals. These
07:02things are preconceived. Sometimes we'll reincarnate, you know, the same animals we incarnate with us
07:07several times because we're so familiar with them, which is amazing. We'll recognize them just like
07:12what people. And so we will, we will embark upon these agreements that we have with animals to help
07:18us grow, learn, heal, evolve, depending on what we're needing on our evolutionary journey. And animals
07:26will help us direct ourselves in the journey that we want to evolve to. They're evolving as well,
07:32of course, but we've really lined up these things in advance.
07:36Give me some examples of what you've seen with some of your clients in terms of soul contracts. I love
07:41these stories. And because we always think that we're in control, right? And well, I think it's
07:47time to get a cat. And that's the end of the story. So you're going to go somewhere and find a cute
07:52right. But let's talk about what's really going on.
07:55Right. People think they're just getting this pet, and they're just going to have this unconditional
07:59love, and they're going to be able to go on walks with them. And oh, they're helping them exercise.
08:03But there's a lot more going on under the surface, and at a soul level for your growth. And the more
08:09open you are to that, then the more soul contracts are going to start revealing themselves. The higher
08:15purpose of your arrangement as to why you came together to learn and grow together. It's truly
08:21extraordinary what animals are willing to do with this.
08:24So tell us a couple examples of people and their pets you've read, what they thought was happening
08:29versus what was actually happening.
08:31Well, I'll start with something more simplistic. Early when I started working with animals a bit,
08:38and like so much of the time, people will call and want to fix their animal. My animal's doing
08:43this. Will you help them stop doing this? Or tell them I don't want them to jump on the sofa.
08:49Right. Can you fix them? And I remember one call in particular of a woman who just called,
08:56and she said, I have this dog, and he's jumping, and he's jumping, and he's jumping, and he's jumping,
09:00and I can't get him to stop jumping, and I just don't know what to do. And she's going on and on and on.
09:04And her voice is jumping, and jumping, and jumping. And I started working with the dog,
09:10and the dog immediately calmed and got grounded and was fine, but her energy didn't change.
09:17She stayed in this very ungrounded state where she was very jumpy herself. And so then she called a
09:25week later. She goes, well, it didn't stick. And I said, hmm, well, how can we look at this differently?
09:30How about, do you meditate? Well, I'm open to meditate. Well, can you meditate together maybe?
09:35And when you go walking, can you more intentionally see yourself grounding? Because your dog is picking
09:41up on everything that you're doing. And that little leash is a little energetic umbilical cord
09:46between the two of you. So she said, I'll try. And she began trying that. And then I didn't hear from
09:52her for a long time. And sometimes that's good news, and sometimes not. But six months later,
09:57I started getting a lot of referrals from her. And she said, that was the ticket. And that's when I
10:03realized that when the person's on board, that's when the animal change. And that's when it's more
10:08sustainable. That's when it's going to stick, what you're wanting for your animal. Same with the
10:13ailments. And so much of the time, Regina, I see people become aware of a conscious journey because of
10:21something that they're doing for their animal. They may not be aware yet. They may not be on a
10:26conscious journey. But then in order to fix their animal, they tried an animal communicator. They tried
10:33herbs. They tried things that started to open their minds to something different. And because of
10:39that, the animal said, yeah, high five. She's doing it now, or he's doing it now. And they started learning
10:45about consciousness and what they could do for themselves. But when they begin a conscious journey
10:51together, that's when it gets juicy. That's why I love doing what I do.
10:57Oh, I can imagine. What gratifying work. Well, let's talk about maybe a story of abandonment, because I
11:04look at people are picking their dogs up at the pound, or at SPCA oftentimes. And so you know that there might be
11:13issues there. Yeah. So abandonment is one of those issues where, of course, we can, it's easy to
11:18recognize within the animal, because a lot of times they've been adopted and returned, adopted and
11:23returned. Maybe they have separation anxiety. Maybe they're overeating. They use oral fixations, carry
11:28around a toy, over lick, all kinds of things that are really predictable. Sometimes the person's not
11:34quite as aware of their heavy abandonment wounds until they get together. And regardless of whether or not
11:39the animal has abandonment before you adopt them, if you're the one they land with, I promise you,
11:47you've got abandonment wounding. I remember there was a gentleman named Rick that called me about
11:51Sammy. And his primary motive in calling was, you need to fix Sammy. He's way too needy. I can't leave
11:58the farm. He's running after the truck. I can't go anywhere. Can you fix Sammy? And I said, okay,
12:04so let's focus on Sammy's abandonment wound. But you know, I just want you to be open to doing this
12:10with him. Are you open to a tandem session? Yeah, I'm open to it. He was very open and conscious about
12:15it. So he would lay down while I do the session as well. And they both began working on their
12:20abandonment wound. After the second session, he said, well, Sammy's not chasing the truck anymore.
12:25He goes, but you know what I realized? And I said, what? And he said, every single love relationship I've
12:32had, these girlfriends get very needy and very attached. And in the same way that Sammy gets
12:40attached. And I said, well, isn't that interesting? And he said, I think I've got abandonment. And I
12:46said, I think you're onto something. And then he said, I want to just work on me. And a lot of times
12:51that's the way that it works. I mean, this is so wonderful because you're qualified to do both.
12:55Yes. Yeah. So they go in tandem. And so sometimes these animals come into our life to show us this about
13:02ourselves. Yeah, that's beautiful. And you just said something when abandonment has to do with
13:07over licking, for example, and overeating, because I'm just thinking of a situation I'm going to
13:12sprinkle this show. I'm going to totally take advantage of the time to bring in my own anecdotes
13:17here. Bring it on. Okay. So little Ernie, he had great emotional difficulties. He was just about
13:23nine months old running in a very busy intersection in Phoenix. Someone found him. And my friend who does
13:30animal rescue ended up with him and he wouldn't let her touch him. He was freaked out just with his
13:37ears down and eyes wide, hugging the side of the sofa. So I thought, oh goodness, I just felt so sorry
13:43for him. I met him and we bonded instantly, but he never bonded with anyone else. I was his bond, but
13:49I already had a little dog named Angel, little Bijan, who I was driving through Malibu and just happened
14:00to stop at a cafe with a pet shop next door. And she's had a perfect life. She was like 16 weeks old,
14:07cute and happy and fluffy, jumped in my lap. Well, she was about, I'd say five years old when I got Ernie.
14:14And it didn't occur to me until you said that. That's when she started excessively licking her
14:20paws. So in that case, because Ernie was so needy, she must have felt abandoned because I think she did.
14:28She started getting her feelings hurt easily. Well, sometimes licking can also be a self-soothing
14:33or helping others move out energy in the house. So if she was the, was, she was the first dog,
14:39the little, the one that had no issues really. She was just happy as can be. She sounds like she's
14:44more of the older soul of the two. And a lot of times they will help to soothe in some way the
14:50other animals. So she has to soothe herself by licking her paws. It might be a way that, that she's
14:55moving out the energy. Yeah. And, and yes, it could be a little bit of that, you know, without
15:01intimately connecting with them. Feeling abandoned. Yeah. It could be that as well, that the, that there's
15:06some type of interaction with that. But it sounds like she was probably, um, that she could sense his
15:12anxiety. Right. And so she's helping him move it out. Okay. Yeah. A lot of anxiety. She, yes,
15:19she was very sensitive. Yes. And helping move out the energy. Yeah. And he was super intuitive. You
15:25thought it, he already knew you, you had to really be careful what you thought of around him. If you
15:30thought, okay, we're going to have a bath today, he'd already be hiding if I thought it. Yes. They get
15:35the visuals in our mind. Oh yeah. They're picking all that up. They do. Oh my God. It's so fascinating.
15:40So now this gets to another question then. So you might have a cat in the house and then
15:45maybe you decide to get a little puppy as well. Are there soul contracts between the other animals
15:50too? Yeah, they, they're definitely, they know each other sometimes and they've been together
15:56before. Sometimes they have some karma to work out amongst each other. And yes, I write about that
16:01in animal soul contracts where they do come in knowing there are people who will call and they'll
16:06say, I'm thinking about getting this animal. Do they have any stuff together? You know,
16:10do my animal that I, my dog now have any stuff with that. And sometimes I'll see a little angst
16:15between their higher selves where it's going to be difficult for them to be together because last
16:19time it wasn't so great. Maybe something really bad happened at the end at the, you know, from one
16:24of them towards the other. And so they'll remember that just like we do at a soul level. And sometimes
16:30they'll work it out just like us. They come together to heal together. They're looking to evolve.
16:35They're looking to resolve their past wounding this life or past life.
16:39Interesting. Well, in Angel's case, Angel lived to be 15. Ernie, Ernie died young. He had so many
16:48emotional wounds. And I think I kind of get it why, but she died the same day as my father,
16:54both unexpectedly. It happened very quickly with both of them. And I always wondered,
16:59I think it was almost like a gift of freedom. Like she left at the same time because life was going
17:07to change or something. Did they have a relationship?
17:10They didn't. Um, I took her to see, she was in the car when I went to see my dad and things
17:16weren't right that day. His mind was all over and, um, I didn't know what was going on.
17:21So I just said goodbye to him and told him that no worries. And she had a seizure right after that
17:29in the car. And I thought, Oh my God, what's going on? And they were, they both died the next day.
17:34Wow.
17:35Just like that.
17:36That would have to be something with you and the changes of the transformation.
17:39It had to be. I bring that, and I'm bringing every example up because so many people watching
17:44have been through so many of these things and I'm just trying to put, I lost all three of my animals at
17:50the same time right after my mother. Big life changes. Same with my father. I lost then my two
17:54animals right afterwards. Big life changes.
17:57So they're in relationship with that where they're ready to maybe, I thought we're ready.
18:01We are and they are ready to free us because we might need the freedom on some level.
18:06We've learned, we've gotten what they came into our life to learn.
18:09Right.
18:09That soul contracts are complete. We're shifting into a new level, a higher octave, whatever it is.
18:14Right.
18:15They're, they've, it's, it's complete. And we're, I see that often where, where there are multiple
18:22passings and it's difficult to go through those times.
18:25Oh my God.
18:25So difficult when there are multiple passings like that, but they are the most transformational times.
18:30And were they each, were your animals, it wasn't like there was one that was sick and gave the
18:34other the disease. They were individually.
18:35Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right after my, my big awakening came through the death of my mother. And, um,
18:43and then that Kitty Kalua, my first, my first Kitty was my big awakening in that two weeks after my
18:49mother passed, I'd had, my mom was talking about people on the other side coming to greet her. She
18:54was having those conversations. I, that was all new to me. It sent me on this whole journey of,
19:00there's this other world on the other side.
19:02Yeah. And then Kalua, all of a sudden when she passed, mother hated cats. I didn't thought,
19:07who's going to greet her? And I asked spirit to bring, uh, Kalua back to me. And guess what?
19:14All of a sudden that evening, I turn off the light, turn over. She'd always jump on my head,
19:18come around. And I felt something jump up on the bed, walk around and wait for me to lift her up.
19:24I'm like, Oh my God, I turn on the light. There's no Kalua. That started my journey. All of a sudden,
19:29I could see it in two other dimensions. I could see her. Wow. She was this big spring. She's back
19:34with me now as Rumi, as Kitty Rumi. Yeah. So different now, but same Kitty. But yeah,
19:41these animals have been, uh, springboards. Yes. Okay. So you had multiple contracts with
19:46her in this lifetime. Yes. And then she passed right afterwards. Wow. Yeah. Interesting.
19:51Right after mom did. And the other two passed right away at 11 and 11, eight and six years of age,
19:57they brought me into this new journey. It was so difficult, but they did what they had come to do.
20:04It's so beautiful. I think Sugar Bear, the one I talked about, she came back very quickly as another
20:10Alaskan breed. And my ex, he was my ex by now. And we had a son. He said, this dog sure does feel like
20:19Sugar Bear. She does the same thing. Rescue. She, she, when she's lying down, it's in the same
20:24position. So I went and said, Sugar Bear. And she was like this and answered and turned around and ran
20:32toward me. And she stayed with them because she was to be there for my son because he was back and
20:38forth with the custody arrangement. And she was there to stabilize him at his dad's house.
20:43Yeah. It was so, so beautiful. And to this day, he'll get teared up if he hears about me. So yeah.
20:49I love that. Yeah. Yeah. So let's talk about Mary Burkholz. I love this story. Caring for
20:55Creatures Animal Sanctuary. Yes. Yeah. Let's talk about her story with her rescue cats. That was
21:01pretty phenomenal. Oh, with the ones where, okay. Okay. Because I have her in there a couple of times.
21:05Yeah. The UTI. Yes. So Mary, when she first started her rescue organization,
21:11some of the animals would be in her house at that point. So her house was on the sanctuary grounds,
21:15but before they were building all of the buildings for all the rescues,
21:18a lot of the animals were in the house. And there was one morning long ago when Mary got up in the
21:24morning and she felt awful. I mean, really sick. And she said, I went to the restroom. I knew I had a
21:30really bad UTI and the kitties were all, all the rescue kitties were meowing for their breakfast.
21:36And she went to, she said, you know, it's just got to wait. She was that ill. And she'd lie back down
21:41on the bed and she fell asleep. And when she woke up, there were, she looked and there were six cats
21:49on the bed with their bottoms up against three on each side, just right against her, right against her.
21:56And she said, what? Because these were cats that didn't co-mingle together and certainly didn't
22:03come up on the bed together. And as soon as she sat up, she realized she had no pain. All of the
22:09symptoms were completely gone. And we know this about animals. We know they're extraordinary
22:15healers. We hear about these things all the time, but I really want people to realize how much they're
22:20doing this for us and to maybe slip into allow mode to allow it and find gratitude for it.
22:26Oh my God. Yes. Okay. So, okay. I'm going to flip things a little bit. So if you are,
22:33say, if you have issues of abandonment and then you bring in a little animal that has issues of
22:38abandonment, some people might flip it and ask, well, if I bring in an animal that has the same
22:43issues I have, isn't that essentially instantiating the same issues in me? Isn't it going deeper?
22:48Well, sure. That's what you want at a soul level. That's what we want.
22:52So it could get better before it gets worse.
22:54Yes. Or get worse before it gets better. Yes. Absolutely. We're going to,
23:00we're magnets for that. At a soul level, we're calling in beings that are going to help us get
23:05to the root of what we're wanting to heal. So of course, we're going to call in animals that
23:10sometimes are the agitators. And we're going to call in the ones that are looking at us like we're
23:14golden because we're trying to believe that about ourselves. So yes. Yeah. We're going to call that
23:20in. Yes. When, when two people come in, they have abandonment wounds. When you're on a conscious
23:25journey, you can say, oh, let's heal this together. It's a bit different then. Yes. Yes. Okay. So now
23:32we're talking about the emotional wounds here. And one of the things that you write about in the book is
23:37that the same beliefs we have, the most common simple beliefs that we carry often throughout
23:43incarnations are the same beliefs the animals carry, which is statements such as, I'm bad,
23:50I'm not enough, and I'm unlovable. So when they come to us, they, they may very well be carrying
23:57these exact same beliefs, except beliefs I think work differently in the animal world. They embody it
24:02a bit more. Yeah. It's a bit more. Plus they're, they're amplified usually within them for us until
24:08we get it and we start consciously working on our wound. And then they can usually heal much faster,
24:15much faster, depending on, of course, every soul is wired a bit differently. But they will, yes,
24:22I call them emotional wound soul contracts. And for those of us that get emotionally close to our
24:29animals, which are millions of people who turn to animals because they are safer.
24:33Well, at a soul level, we're always seeking growth. It's medicine for the soul. So yes,
24:38domesticated animals are on the front line of the animal kingdom's mission to help humanity to embrace
24:44consciousness at a new level. Yeah, our domestic pets, absolutely. Yes. In a way that we wouldn't
24:49have, millions of people would not have ways to continue their growth if it wasn't for the safety of
24:54animals to be able to help us do this. And healing our emotional wounds is a big part of why we're
24:59here. When we do that, we are moving forward. We are raising consciousness. So yes, these animals are
25:06going to come in. If you've been betrayed, they're probably going to have betrayal. Usually how people
25:11describe their animals, they're describing a bit of themselves, right? Oh my, my animal's very stubborn
25:16and he wants to do what he wants to do and he wants to do it, you know? And it's like, great,
25:19that might mirror you, right? Well, yeah, I kind of am that way. So they're probably here together to
25:25heal that particular wound and soften the effects of it. Okay, so you have a little bit of typology
25:32in here, which people enjoy, which is the five types of emotional wounds in your pets, your cats and
25:37dogs, and you might even say parrots and birds as well, I don't know. And I will bring your knee into
25:44the conversation again because the first one is the scared one, terror. Yes, yeah. The scared ones are
25:53those, those are people and animals who have certainly experienced a lot of terror in past
25:58lives and in this life, torture really, and usually begins with, with two-leggers anyway, as early as the
26:05birth canal and, and being in the womb of maybe they were a birth that wasn't wanted, maybe even tried to
26:12abort. A lot of times they don't bring all of their soul energy in because they say, oh no, no,
26:18I remember this now. I don't think I want to do this. I think I'm gonna, you know, try to go back to
26:22the other side. And that can happen with animals as well. At the hands of people especially, they have
26:28experienced a lot. And so the scared ones come in wanting to feel safe in a body again, wanting to
26:36heal the terror. And those of them, we know where they are. And in fact, one of your animals you
26:41mentioned, was it Ernest? Ernest. Yeah. Oh, Ernie. Probably had a lot of terror in his background
26:47that he wanted to overcome by being here. And sometimes they will set up circumstances for
26:51that to do it together. Interesting because he, he, like I said, he bonded with me and I could do
26:58anything with him. I could bathe him, whatever needed to be done. I could, as long as it was me,
27:02but he wouldn't let anyone else close to him. Right. Yeah. And that can be, um,
27:09because it's, it's, they're, they feel unsafe. Right. And so clearly you established this great
27:14bond with him. You had a contract to help him to heal. Oh yeah. It was instant. He literally let me
27:20touch him. Right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. In a way that nobody else could. So clearly that's going to be
27:26helping him and it's helping you. You might've been clearing some karma with him. Well,
27:30you might've been. Yeah. The birth canal, the whole birth thing. I did not, I definitely
27:34came kicking and screaming and came frank breach, very long labor. It's like, but first didn't want
27:41to at the last minute. No, no, no. I don't want to do this one. So there was that. Yeah, sure.
27:46Right. And we're all going to relate a little bit to each of the patterns, but some were going to be
27:51two to three that were really going to feel as real for us. And those are the animals that are going to
27:56mirror that for us. Okay. That's the scared one. Then there's the needy one. Again,
28:01we're talking abandonment. Abandonment. Yes. And, and this usually starts in the oral developmental phase,
28:07about that time when, uh, the mother is trying to, you're trying to suckle on the mother's teat
28:12for the animals. And for some reason you don't get enough or you don't have that spiritual connection.
28:18And of course, with big litters, with animals, that doesn't happen. Sometimes the mother passes,
28:22sometimes the mother rejects them. Right. I mean, there's all kinds of things that can happen with
28:26animals. With people, we know those things as well. Sometimes the mother isn't able to nurse.
28:30Sometimes there's some type of, of the, the baby isn't able to digest the milk for whatever reason,
28:37and they don't get enough. Sometimes the mother is working. You know, none of it's wrong. Of course,
28:42we all came in to, to heal these things together. And there's past life of famine, starvation,
28:48all kinds of things that you come forth with if you have any type of abandonment wounds to heal.
28:53And again, you're going to be coming together to heal that. And you're going to, as always,
28:58you're going to adapt coping mechanisms to help you do that with oral fixations,
29:03with the oral developmental phase of abandonment. You're going to be looking external to get filled
29:07because you don't know how to fill yourself because you weren't filled fully at a time when
29:12you needed to know that, oh, I'm sustained here. I can actually withdraw from the teat.
29:18And I know that I have enough. Right.
29:20And so when you don't get that feeling, everything is external. I'm seeking to be filled externally.
29:26And I'm not going to have enough time, enough money, enough food, enough, whatever. There's
29:30not enough syndrome. Same for the animal, not enough food. You're going to know it until you
29:35start to satiate within and begin to really look at how do I fill this up? How do I satiate myself
29:41in ways that I want? And usually, of course, that starts with love.
29:44Yeah. And releasing emotions that I'm mad about that I didn't get that.
29:48Right.
29:48Or whatever emotions there are that need to come up to clear so that we can begin implementing
29:53the newer ways and putting the reparenting in place that's needed.
29:56Mm-hmm. Okay. The sensitive one.
29:59Sensitive one. These first three that I mentioned, these are the ones that are really attracted to
30:04animals for filling, that feel safer to be around animals more so than the next two. The next two,
30:09of course, as well. But these three really turn to animals because they're safer. Invasiveness is
30:14what's behind the sensitive ones. So these are people that were criticized, had a lot of trauma
30:20as well. Different. With the scared ones, it's more a physical trauma. If there's sexual abuse,
30:26it's very traumatic. With the sensitive ones, it's covert. It was the father who touched you. You
30:32couldn't say anything. It was manipulative or it was just an over-controlling parent or maybe even
30:39teasing from a parent or a brother or a sibling in some way, a cousin, some type of abuse. And then
30:45with animals, a lot of times they're over-controlled by the people that they first get there where they're
30:50so over-controlled and it feels invasive. On a chain, stop that. Right, right. Or in a very small space.
30:58Maybe they're kept in a crate. Maybe, you know, but they're over-controlled a lot. And they're going
31:04to be magnets to each other. These are people who are very, and animals, very empathetic because they
31:09have no boundaries because they were over-controlled. People came into their boundaries, so they're
31:13feeling everything. And they're very sensitive, very intuitive, become fabulous healers, I might add,
31:20because they are intuitive. But these are the animals that a lot of times they want to be under the bed.
31:26Not like the scared ones. They want to be in a really safe place. But the sensitive ones are just,
31:32they, let me observe this from afar, because I know everything about everybody who's walking in this
31:36house. And I'm going to let you know who's good and who's not. Yeah. Because they can read their
31:41energy. And the same with people. These are people who go into social situations. They're feeling
31:47everything. They can get very overwhelmed by that. And these sensitive animals are teaching them
31:51to take time for themselves. That it's okay to be wired differently. That they can,
31:56I don't have to be social all the time. I need to replenish my energy. I need to go take some
32:02meditation time to refuel. And that's okay. This is, I think, very helpful for people.
32:09Good. Then we have the protector.
32:11Yes, protector. The fire energy of all. The fire energy. And we know and hear these animals and
32:18people way in advance. They're righting the wrongs of the world. They're going to tell you who's right.
32:24Oh, my God. I had one of those.
32:25Oh, did you?
32:26Oh, yeah. Couldn't borrow the old sailor man.
32:29Yes. But these are the fire energy people and animals. And they are the doers. They're the masculine
32:34energy out of any of the patterns. And so these are the ones that, of course, are more reactive.
32:41These are the biters with a lot of the animals and the people, not literally, but they are the
32:47ones that are the protectors and the invasiveness wounds or come together as pairs because they're
32:52going after the invasiveness and the invasiveness are trying to learn their boundaries so that they
32:57say enough to the ones that are the protectors. And a lot of times, protective animals are in the
33:03life of an invasive person to provide protection for that part was never protected within you.
33:10Interesting.
33:11Because there's a lot of times I'll say, well, does the animal react just when they're with you?
33:15Yes. No one else but me. They don't do it with anyone else. Well, they're protecting a part of
33:20you that was never protected. There's the growth.
33:22Interesting.
33:22Well, yeah. Finbar. Oh, my gosh. A friend of mine had him. She was a prominent in the town,
33:27had a little magazine. And people had to go over to her place to work out their editorial stuff.
33:33And they'd be greeted at the door with this beast. He was this large Australian shepherd mix. And he
33:39would jump up and at the door and everyone was like this. Like, could you please stop him so I
33:46can come in? And she was very aggressive. And she bit.
33:50She bit. Right.
33:50And he bit.
33:52Right. And was there a person that was marrying them?
33:54Yeah, his owner was just like that.
33:57Yeah.
33:57And so, ultimately, she had to move and no one would take him, the sucker. Everyone knows me.
34:04And she said, well, Regina, he's such a good boy, really. And I thought, really? So, of course,
34:10I go over to the house. I'm so stupid. I go over to the house. He comes, sits at my feet,
34:17rolls his head back on my knees and stares at me with these big puppy eyes.
34:21Aww.
34:22And he's like, I was totally in and conned from the first minute. And he was a total gentleman with me.
34:28But what turned out, when the people would come to deliver something in particular,
34:33it appeared he'd rush out the door before we could catch him. We thought he was trying to bite them.
34:38He was trying to herd them, it turned out. He was getting their sleeve trying to
34:42get them to come back to the house. So, very complex character. Anyway.
34:47Well, with those protectors, they're covering up their heart energy because they're protecting it.
34:54He was such a big heart. I mean, I had so much wonderful big-hearted energy from dogs.
34:59Yes.
35:00You know, no matter how damaged they appear. So, that's, yeah. And the last one is the perfect one.
35:06Yeah. Feeling perfectionism.
35:09Yes. As in perfectionism. And this is more that detachment of the true self. And with people,
35:16and usually they're brought up in families where there's another perfectionistic parent in some way
35:22that's teaching them to focus more on external appearances, on material gained, on how they can
35:28show up in the... Every, every profile is about the learned progress of how they feel safe in the world.
35:34That's what's underneath it. And how the perfect one feels safe is by appearing perfect. And these
35:39are the people that, when they're fully immersed in it, of course, we have a little bit of each
35:43of them. These are the persons that always look perfect. Their lawns look perfect. Their houses
35:47are perfect. They're... And they over control...
35:48Your bells are all paid on time.
35:51Yes. Yes.
35:51There's refrigerators stocked and lined up.
35:53Yes. They, they make it all look easy.
35:57Yeah.
35:57And they bring a lot of envy from others, actually, as well.
36:00Uh-huh.
36:01From, from people, um, who maybe...
36:03Like us, whose lives are a little messier.
36:05Right. Right. Yeah. A lot of heart protection around these animals and people as well.
36:09But once these two people, the people and the animal, I should say, come together and, on a conscious
36:15journey, they're a dynamic duo and they are serving the world in ways that no other parent can.
36:22Because they are grounded. They're... They begin to have more of an open heart versus always being
36:28in the mind, always trying to figure things out. They're beginning to feel things out as they begin to
36:32heal on the conscious journey. And these animals are a little bit more detached. They're not the warm
36:37and fuzzy abandonment who say, I'll take the attention from everyone. Yeah, yeah.
36:41These animals are holding what I call transformational healing presence.
36:45And that's where they can walk in the room and everybody feels better. Everyone feels better.
36:50But they aren't looking. They aren't going to be on your lap. They aren't going to be licking you.
36:54They're holding... And horses do this really well all the time.
36:57So amazing.
36:57They hold this sacred presence for others. And the people as well, when they really begin to heal
37:04behind the perfectionism and begin to open their heart more to the experiences, then they...
37:10Then they show up in this sacred, beautiful work that is undeniable for how many masses they can
37:17reach. Because these are people and animals who don't mind being seen. They're in the nursing homes.
37:23They're approaching others. They're... They're guides.
37:26That's beautiful. We only have a minute or two left. So I would like to ask you to...
37:31You like to talk about the albatross. Let's just finish on the story of the albatross.
37:35Oh, the albatross. Yes. The albatross, I was definitely drawn as I was writing the book.
37:42I started reading more about the journey of the albatross. And they can fly... I forget how much it's...
37:47I think it's like 42,000 miles a year. And they begin in this one little place wherever they're born.
37:54And they make these trips around the world. And I began thinking, oh my gosh, what are their journeys?
38:00What are their stories? What they might have seen? They can actually sleep while they're flying.
38:06Oh my gosh. What an amazing trait.
38:09And so what's the wonderful thing about the albatross is that once they land,
38:14they don't sit around and say, I'm not going to do that again. I'm not going to take that journey.
38:19That hurricane I had to go around was too much. They pack up their bags and they take off on another
38:26journey around the world again. They don't sit and do what we do and say, I need to be in this safe
38:31place. They trust that they have an inner compass within them to guide them. And I believe that that's
38:38what animals teach us, that we have the beautiful inner compass within us to guide all of our journeys
38:44and our partnerships with them. I love that. And that's beautiful. Any final little quick
38:50thought before we say goodbye? Well, I'd like to say one thing in that when you have an animal that's
38:56looking at you like you're golden and they open your heart and they're looking at you and saying,
39:02you are the best thing since sliced bread, you would best honor them. If you look in the mirror and you
39:08believe them, just believe them because that's why they came in your life. They don't want to hold
39:14your golden energy for you. Believe that you are what your animal sees in you.
39:19Oh, that's beautiful. Tammy, thank you so much. I've enjoyed every moment of this talk.
39:25Thank you so much. I have as well.
39:28Tammy's new book is called Your Animal, Your Soul Mirror. I love this topic as you can tell and
39:33I hope you've enjoyed the conversation and see yourself in it as well and also your pets. You
39:38can go to Tammy's site at TammyBillups.com and learn much more about your connection
39:43with your pets. Until next time, thank you for joining us here on Open Minds.
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