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00:00High noon, Jones and Keefe, W-E-E-I, it is time for Peer Hoops with Terp, Justin Turpin of W-E-E-I, joining us here in studio on Jones and Keefe.
00:11What's up, Terp?
00:12What's up, guys?
00:13Hello, hello!
00:15Celtics are up in the standings.
00:16Look at these guys.
00:17Number two seed in the Eastern Conference at 23-12.
00:22Terp, they have the best scoring differential in the East.
00:25They've won four straight.
00:26They've won eight of their last ten.
00:28Then they have, is it the Nuggets tonight?
00:30No Jokic?
00:31It's Nuggets, right?
00:32Nuggets, no Jokic.
00:33What a bummer.
00:33It is, because that could have been like a fun measuring stick game tonight, but obviously they're playing well.
00:39What do you attribute the turnaround, if you will, to?
00:42I mean, I'd look at just everyone collectively finding their stride.
00:46And for this team and the roster that they have right now, I feel like there's kind of, it's tough to get everyone to buy in on being unselfish and really buying into just the wins.
00:56Because looking up and down the roster, everyone has something to prove, right?
00:59Jalen Brown wants to prove he can be a number one, can lead a team.
01:02Josh Minot, Jordan Walsh, those guys, Luka Garza and Namiya Shkata, they're playing for what's next in their NBA lives.
01:09Like, they're playing for their careers.
01:11And no one's getting selfish.
01:12No one's playing in ways that they shouldn't.
01:15Everyone's just playing within the offense, playing within the system.
01:17And it's resulting in this.
01:19So the unselfishness of this team has really, really jumped out to me.
01:22All right, what's the ceiling now?
01:24Yeah, that's the thing.
01:25I mean, the Eastern Conference is bad, man.
01:26It's like really bad.
01:28There's no reason this team should be the two seed in the East.
01:31I mean, we were talking top six at the beginning of the year, but I don't think anyone expected them to be second in the East.
01:36Maybe Jalen Brown, Joe Mazzula, and Derek White.
01:39Those are like, those three guys who can do it.
01:40And Peyton Pritchard.
01:41Those are the only ones.
01:42Like, nobody expected them to be here.
01:43But it's kind of similar, just how, it's crazy how similar the AFC, when you're talking about the Patriots, and how wide open it is.
01:51It's kind of the same conversation with the Celtics, and how open it is in the Eastern Conference.
01:55So, I mean, I don't see why not.
01:57Like, I don't see why they couldn't represent the East, because there's just no team that you look at.
02:00It's like, this is the clear-cut number one team in the East.
02:03So, it's Pistons, Celtics, and Knicks at the top.
02:06Outside of that group, and really, you know, Detroit and New York for the Celtics, is there another team where, like, they're a sleeping giant,
02:13or you're kind of waiting for them in the Eastern Conference to figure things out, and maybe they're hidden in the standings a little bit?
02:20I mean, Cleveland was the one that we were holding on to, but they just might not be good.
02:24A lot of people liked Orlando coming into the year.
02:27A lot of people liked Atlanta coming into the year.
02:28Now they're blowing things up and getting rid of Trey Young, who will probably help.
02:32Yeah, but you think it's obviously Cleveland.
02:34I think it would have to be Cleveland.
02:35I mean, Philadelphia, but you just never know with them.
02:38They're kind of a mess.
02:39Joel Embiid really can't stay on the floor.
02:41When he's on the floor, they're good, but probably Cleveland would be the answer.
02:44But they just, you keep waiting for them to figure it out.
02:47Like, we're into January now, and they're still just a mess.
02:50As a brief aside, you mentioned Trey Young.
02:54Where do you think he goes, and does it even matter?
02:56Like, you know, good player, fun player to watch, scores a lot of points, obviously not great on defense.
03:02And you can kind of take advantage of that.
03:03Good teams have always taken advantage of that.
03:05But do you think he plays a factor at all in changing the landscape of, let's say, he stays in the Eastern Conference.
03:11Does it matter?
03:12I like the team that Mark Stein first reported, the Wizards.
03:15It makes so much sense.
03:16Let him go there, score 50 points a game, and you get to lose every game.
03:18But he's scoring 50 points a game.
03:20Yeah, yeah, right.
03:20Doesn't have to play any defense.
03:21Helps him get a pick.
03:22It's also still young-ish, where he can kind of develop it with Alex Sarr and a core there.
03:27I think it would make a lot of sense for him to go there, especially in the short term.
03:30Like, just let him go out.
03:31All he wants to do is play offense and score points.
03:33You don't have to play a lick of defense there.
03:34They're trying to lose, so go for it.
03:36That makes a ton of sense.
03:37Let's say the Celtics want to trade for him.
03:41Okay?
03:42What would you give up for him?
03:43I mean, I wouldn't trade for him.
03:44I wouldn't.
03:44No, no, but you wouldn't give up a second-round pick for Trey Young?
03:47Oh, yeah.
03:48Like, what would you give up, is what I'm saying?
03:50I mean, it's going to probably be a couple first, I would imagine.
03:54Just look at the landscape of the NBA trades.
03:56Like, Mikael Bridges went for, what, five picks, like, two years ago?
03:58That's just the way the NBA works.
04:00So, I would imagine there are first-round picks involved in that, but it's just tough because
04:05they didn't extend him, so he's going to be due for the contract, and you're going to
04:08have to do that.
04:09Like, it's, you know, an extreme example, but the Mavericks traded out Luka Doncic because
04:13they didn't think he could play defense.
04:14They didn't want to make him one of those highest-paid players.
04:16Is the team going to be willing to do it with Trey Young?
04:18I mean, no one will argue that he's not one of the best offensive and gifted scorers in
04:22the league, but you've got to play defense.
04:24You've got to be a two-way player.
04:24Here's the only reason I ask that, because if he's really going to go for, like, nothing,
04:28he's better than Simons.
04:30So, I mean, I don't know that he'd buy into, like, a Simons role.
04:33I don't know how much Simons buys into the Simons role these days, but, like, you know,
04:36I mean, if he's really going to go for nothing and you can get him on the cheap, like, man,
04:41maybe that's something they should be kicking the tires on.
04:43I mean, I hope they're looking to add instead of subtract, which is still my fear, that they're
04:46going to subtract that Simons contract off the books, and that's their plan, on a team
04:50that is clearly worth investing in.
04:53That'd be wildly disappointing, but I'm bracing for it.
04:55And something we've been talking about this since Anthony Simons got here is that luxury tax
05:00number, $40 million if they do keep the roster as to what it is.
05:03I think everyone looking at this team, you're second place in the Eastern Conference.
05:06This team is totally worth paying the tax.
05:08Like, they have a chance.
05:09We were just saying, like, what is their ceiling?
05:12Like, you really can't put a ceiling on this team.
05:14So, this is absolutely a team that you should be willing to pay the luxury tax for.
05:18And with Anthony Simons, too, like, he looks like a guy that can contribute.
05:22If he wants to continue to adjust to this role, and he's been much better.
05:26I mean, he's quietly put together a really good season off the bench.
05:30He's third in points, first in threes, first in net rating among guys with 30 games.
05:35I wrote about this the other night.
05:36It's, like, kind of under the radar what he's been doing.
05:38And it's been really elevated since really, like, December 1st, where he's been getting
05:42more 20 minutes a game, like, playing a little bit more because the defense is really coming
05:46around.
05:46And I think the sequence the other night where he hits his eighth three of the night, comes
05:51back, and then helps over, helps Derek White steal the ball.
05:55Like, that was the Anthony Simons that the Celtics were looking for.
05:58And the more and more he resembles that, it's more like, all right, I'd like to see this
06:02guy with Jason Tatum.
06:03And looking ahead to next year, obviously, he's an unrestricted free agent.
06:07If you can get him at the mid-level, right around $14 million, I would totally take him
06:11back.
06:11Yeah, because what's the market going to be for Simons?
06:13I think it was pretty telling over the summer.
06:15Yeah.
06:15I think he'll take mid-level, though.
06:17I think it's going to be that much.
06:18Well, the mid-level is, like, a lot higher than what it used to be.
06:19Yeah, it is.
06:20So, it'd be around $14 million.
06:22What's he making now?
06:23Right around $25, $26 million.
06:24Right, it's going to be a significant cut.
06:26No, but I mean, but he's going to be making, like, almost half of what he was making?
06:31But do you think teams are going to start to be a little smarter with who they give money
06:35to?
06:36Because I think in the NBA, where teams have really run into issues is you have your
06:40rookie year deal guys, you have, like, your veteran minimum guys, then you have your
06:44superstars.
06:45If you overpay the middle guys, that's when you really run into trouble.
06:48So, I wonder, yeah, but then there's also crappy teams that, like, have no, like, if the
06:52Wizards don't get Trae Young, for instance, could they just be like, we're going to give
06:55this guy $20 million a year, and he's just going to be the guy who scores points?
06:59Yeah.
06:59I mean, there's a lot of dumb teams.
07:01I think the market spoke for itself over the summer, where the reporting was they were
07:05trying to trade him for most of the summer.
07:06And there were no bites, and he's on an expiring deal.
07:09That's something, as a shooter and a scorer, like, the way he is, like, he's one of the
07:13most gifted scorers in the league, and there was no interest.
07:16So, I think that really speaks to just the market of where he is, and I don't think it's
07:20crazy to think they can get him back at the mid-level next year.
07:23Now, that complicates things for what you want to do in acquiring a center and all that,
07:27but I think there are other avenues.
07:28Yeah, so what would be the ways to get a big man on this team without getting rid of Simons?
07:33Because that seems like the obvious, hey, that's a good amount of money, and some value
07:37to a team that would take him for the rest of the year, but how could you get somebody
07:41that can play along with Cata without giving up Simons?
07:44I think then you'd look at Sam Hauser, and I was really against trading Sam Hauser in
07:49the summer.
07:49I thought that was a guy that they should hang on to.
07:51Just looking at the two-man lineup, the lineups with Hauser and Tatum are one of their
07:55most efficient.
07:56He plays great with Tatum, yeah.
07:57It's so hard to find a shooter with, you know, shoots consistently 40% from three.
08:01Like, that is such an asset.
08:01Yeah, because as soon as you lose Hauser, you'd be like, they need a guy like Hauser.
08:04You know, that's the problem.
08:05Especially when, like, they prioritize facing the floor.
08:08Like, he is an elite floor spacer.
08:10He plays well with those guys, but with the developments of Jordan Walsh and Ugo Gonzalez
08:14and Baylor Shireman in a smaller role there, I feel like he's a little bit more expandable
08:18now, where you're a little bit more open to trading Sam Hauser.
08:21Those are different skill sets, but it's a similar role.
08:24Right, right.
08:24Just, you have a bunch of wings right now, and I think if you are going to cut bait with
08:29any of them, and the one problem is, though, the risk that you run is, obviously, you don't
08:33have any control over Simons this offseason.
08:35He's an unrestricted free agent, so, you know, if you're going to trade Hauser and then he
08:39ends up walking away, I think that's a little bit risky, but I don't know.
08:43I mean, there are different avenues.
08:44The buyout market will be one as well, but I would expect them to make a move for a big
08:48at the end line.
08:48Okay, so, okay, you just answered what I was going to ask.
08:50So, are they going to invest, and where are they going to invest?
08:53You think, because, like, buyout, scrap heap, I don't count.
08:56That's not investing.
08:57That's just, that's bringing in a body, but that's not investing.
08:58I brought in Tony Craig last year.
08:59Yeah, that's not investing.
09:00They had that run, remember?
09:01So, like, they hit so well with P.J.
09:03Brown, Sam Cassell, the year they won the title in 08, and then after that, they had
09:07a string of, like, Troy Murphys.
09:10I was about to say Austin Crozier.
09:11I knew it wasn't Austin Crozier.
09:12No, no, no.
09:12It was like Troy Murphy.
09:13Troy Murphy.
09:13Yeah, yeah, yeah.
09:14I think, well, Nainag Kristich was a trade, but it was like all guys like that, that they kept
09:17bringing them one after the other, and you're like, oh, no.
09:19They might add a guy, and he might be helpful.
09:21I'm just saying, that's not investing.
09:23You know what I mean?
09:24Will, you think they're going to invest at the trade deadline?
09:26I do.
09:27I don't think the luxury tax will be an issue, and I don't think the first April will be
09:30an issue.
09:30Well, why do you think that, though?
09:30Because it's been an issue since the second the new ownership group got here.
09:33Well, I think the second April and the luxury tax conversations are different, though.
09:36Like, they were, that was going to happen.
09:38The second April was going to happen.
09:39Then that was talked about.
09:40Wick Rosebeck talked about it on these airwaves.
09:42Tim Bontemps wrote yesterday, like, the main thing they got to do is get below the luxury
09:46tax.
09:47Yeah, I just, I think this team, with, I think, going into the year, you could totally
09:50look at it and be like, okay, you know, if they're faltering out a little bit, say,
09:54you know, they were towards the bottom of the play-in, then it's like, all right, maybe
09:57you start to reset the repeater tax, and you want to get out.
10:00But with the way they're playing right now, again, there's no ceiling.
10:03I don't see it happening.
10:04Yeah.
10:05I just, I really don't.
10:05They might invest, Keefe, but I bet, I bet Chisholm hates every minute of this.
10:09Like, I bet, guys, we're getting a little, I bet.
10:11It was freezing in there.
10:12I don't think the heat was on, and I think that's a, that's a tell that they're getting
10:15ready.
10:16Yeah, like, I bet, I bet the new owner just hates this.
10:20He's like, wait a minute, I thought we were going to be like the nine seed, and then I
10:23could, I could get rid of Anfernee Simons' contract, and no one would care, and no one
10:26would be paying attention, and now it's like, oh, wait, we're the two?
10:29I kind of have to invest.
10:31Crap, I got to spend more money.
10:32Like, I think that's kind of the stance, to be honest.
10:34So, I agree with you, what you were saying before, about how wide open the Eastern Conference
10:37is, and you look at the Pistons and the Knicks, and even if you want to say they're
10:41better, they're not light years better by any stretch.
10:43Which, is there a guy, and Trae Young's not it, but is there somebody that could be traded
10:48to one of those two teams, or traded to Cleveland, or something where it's like, that would tip
10:53the scales?
10:54See, the thing is with the big trades, and it feels so, like, it feels so.
10:57I'm wondering, like, how likely would it be if New York puts a package together and
11:00gets Giannis, and then you're like, all right, they're going for it, and then they would
11:03be the team to beat.
11:04But, like, how likely are any of those?
11:06It's tough now with the aprons, and it's weird to say this after Luka Doncic gets traded
11:10last year, but a lot of these big trades now happen in the offseason, because there's
11:14so many moving parts with all the aprons and stuff.
11:16It's tough to get those done during the season.
11:18That one got a GM fired a month later, so that was not a good move.
11:22You're going to kind of fall back on that, but, like, that was one of the worst trades
11:25in the history of sports.
11:26Like, that was brutal.
11:28But that, to me, is, like, the key to the Celtics, because I'm with everybody else.
11:30It's like, hey, it is open.
11:32They have a chance.
11:32They also are likely going to be getting Jason Tatum back.
11:35But then things change if it's like, oh, Giannis just got dealt.
11:38You're like, oh.
11:39Yeah, the Giannis one in particular, I would expect that to happen over the offseason.
11:42I don't think that's something that happens in the middle of the season.
11:45I don't really see, besides Trey Young, any big, big names going.
11:49Like all-star type guys.
11:50Yeah, not this year.
11:51Not at the trade deadline.
11:52Again, just because of all the moving parts with all the aprons.
11:55But, I mean, there are certainly moves you can make around the edges that give you a better
12:00chance.
12:00But, like, there's no player they're going to add at the deadlines that's better than
12:03Jason Tatum.
12:04And I think that's the number one thing to remember.
12:06Well, and if there's no big landscape shifting move, then the Celtics should be in it no
12:11matter what, right?
12:12If Giannis moves to the Knicks, that shifts the landscape.
12:14But if there's no move like that, Trey Young's the biggest name to move.
12:17What about Jones' guy, Nurkic?
12:19Could they get Nurkic?
12:20Nurkic would be a lot of fun.
12:21I think the one that people keep going back is Zubacian with the Clippers.
12:25Yeah.
12:25Like, that's the one that people go back to.
12:26And I think that one would make a lot of sense.
12:28But the thing is, they're starting to play a little bit better.
12:30And there's no incentive for them to tank or anything because they don't have any picks.
12:33Right.
12:34So, like, they're going to max out what they can get.
12:36Where are they?
12:36Oh, yeah.
12:37They're 13 at 22?
12:38Well, they started.
12:39No, it doesn't look good.
12:40But they had six wins, like, two weeks ago.
12:42I was going to say, what were they started?
12:43Like, six and 21 or something.
12:45Can you dig out of that?
12:46They're still nine games below 500.
12:48Yeah.
12:48But if you can get into the top 10, just get into that 10-game playoff.
12:53From the 10 seed, there's still three and a half games.
12:55Yeah, looking at the raw numbers, they're not a good basketball team.
12:59But if you look at what they've done recently, even before they played the Celtics, they
13:02were the hottest team in basketball leading up to those two weeks.
13:05I'm sorry.
13:05I was looking at the Jazz.
13:06They're two and a half games.
13:07I take that back.
13:07Oh, so, I mean, yeah, they got a chance.
13:09So, maybe, because they're playing better, I wonder if they're more inclined to hold on
13:14to their guys.
13:14They're catching the guy.
13:16I'm sorry.
13:17Keep going.
13:17Sorry.
13:17Yeah.
13:17I mean, I know it's crazy to say that they're playing better when they're sitting here well under
13:22500, but they haven't been better, so I would wonder if they are more inclined to keep their
13:27guys.
13:27We were, and the Clippers are a good jumping off point for this, because Keith and I were
13:30going through Jalen Brown's comments about being the best two-way player in the league,
13:34and we kind of honed in on, like, it's Jalen or Kawhi, and oh, by the way, Jalen just dropped
13:3950 on him and held him in check when they played.
13:42Is Jalen Brown, does he have a real case to be the best two-way player in the league?
13:45Yeah.
13:45I mean, right now, absolutely.
13:47I mean, the way, what he's doing this year is just incredible.
13:49And I think the 50-point game really kind of spoke to the way he's playing, because
13:53usually when guys have 50 points, they're shooting, like, 8 of 13 from 3 or whatever.
13:58It wasn't that.
13:59It was just the way that he typically plays the game.
14:01So I thought that 50-point game was very, just, it told the story of his whole year,
14:06just playing within the game, just making the right basketball plays, and, I mean, just
14:10every night he's giving them a chance.
14:12And you can't say enough good things about the seasons that he's having on both ends of
14:16the ball.
14:16Obviously, he's passed a little bit of the defensive responsibilities off to guys like
14:20Jordan Walsh and Ugo Gonzalez, where he's not picking up the best guy on the floor every
14:24night.
14:24But it'd be kind of unfair to expect him to do that when he's going out and averaging
14:2830 on the other end.
14:29So it's just been a monster year for him, and it's been pretty special to watch.
14:33The NBA fan voting is in the books.
14:37Jalen Brown finished 6th in the Eastern Conference.
14:40So he's not the most popular player, but it's also not bad.
14:43It's not like he got buried in there by any means.
14:45You think Celtics fans are letting him down with the vote at all there?
14:47A little bit.
14:48I mean, I feel like Tate is going to be higher.
14:48Because the season he's having, he's clearly a lot higher than that.
14:51But a couple of guys, what was it, Mitchell and Cade Cunningham, and guys like that.
14:55I mean, guys like Mitchell specifically, he should be ahead of.
14:57I mean, a guy you're talking about being a potential MVP candidate, I feel like, should
15:01be higher.
15:02Probably be starting the off the game.
15:03I feel like...
15:03Yeah, where are the Celtics fans with the vote?
15:05Where are your people, Terp?
15:06The Patriots are trying to rile him up the other day.
15:08Did you see that?
15:08They quote tweeted, and they're like, go out and help Jalen.
15:10Well, the Celtics, they didn't have anybody else in the top 20.
15:14So it's not like one of those...
15:17Oh, like they're splitting the vote?
15:18Yeah, yeah, yeah.
15:18No, no, I'm not even saying they have another top 20 player, but it's like, you think of
15:22the Celtics as one of the best fan bases and all that stuff.
15:24You know what I mean?
15:25You'll see teams...
15:26Derek White was one that I would expect to get a vote.
15:28Yeah, maybe be in there.
15:30He's on Team USA, for God's sakes.
15:31You'd think maybe he'd get a sniff.
15:33His best way...
15:34I really...
15:35I don't know if he'll ever make an all-star game.
15:36I'd like just...
15:37Yeah, they only have one all-star.
15:38They only have one all-star.
15:39I know we picked them before the season.
15:41You know what?
15:41If he hadn't started off the first month and a half of the season, he would have had a legit
15:45case.
15:46Like, if you narrow down what he's done after the first month and a half, he's been very
15:49good.
15:50But I think his best avenue to making an all-star game would be through the coach's vote right
15:55there.
15:55Because any coach that comes here just talks so highly of Derek White.
15:59They're all like, he's a winner.
16:00He's a player that everyone wants on their team.
16:02That would be his best avenue to making an all-star game.
16:05What do you think of Jalen?
16:05Jalen, you know, I'm the best two-way player, shaking my head when he's not the Eastern Conference
16:10player of the week or month or whatever that was.
16:12Just some of his injecting himself into that, like hyping himself up effectively.
16:17Keith and I were disagreeing on this yesterday.
16:19Keith, your stance is, if he doesn't do it, no one's going to do it on his behalf.
16:24My stance is, like, don't be that thirsty.
16:27You don't need to be that thirsty.
16:28So where do you stand on that?
16:30I just think he's walking the talk.
16:31Like, he should have won it.
16:33But it's crazy to me that he didn't win it.
16:35He's not wrong.
16:36Does he need to be talking about it to prop himself up?
16:40I mean, if you're playing the level he is, and he's always kind of been like this.
16:43I think it's more this year, and it's getting more attention this year because, obviously,
16:47of what he's doing.
16:48He's on the Twitch streams and all that.
16:49It's getting more attention.
16:50But he's always kind of been very confident in himself.
16:53He's always given himself his credit.
16:55And, you know, he's walking the talk.
16:56Like, he's going out and he's doing this.
16:58He probably should have won it again.
16:59One of the biggest glaring, you know, omissions when they were talking about the Eastern Conference
17:04Player of the Month debate, like, when they played head-to-head, Jalen had 42.
17:08Jalen Brunson had 15.
17:09Like, you know, that should count for something.
17:11And I understand that they won the NBA Cup, and he won the NBA Cup MVP.
17:15But, like, those games don't even count towards, like, stats, like, in the regular season.
17:19So I think he should have won it.
17:20I don't have a problem with how vocal he's been.
17:21He's always been like this.
17:22And, you know, he's earned the right to go out and say it.
17:25You think there's any issues when Tatum comes back?
17:27No.
17:28Not at all.
17:28I've actually – we've talked about this.
17:30I think this is one of the best things for him because now he's seeing the game in a
17:34different light.
17:34He's seeing what it's –
17:36So that, to me, would be, like, the best case is he's like, I've now proven what I
17:40am without Tatum, and he's just satisfied with that.
17:42My fear is he doesn't seem satisfied with a lot.
17:44I don't know why he'd be satisfied with sacrificing that spotlight.
17:47I thought it was pretty telling when he's like, this is my favorite season.
17:49Yeah.
17:49And you're like, oh, okay.
17:51I also think it goes back to what we were just saying, though.
17:53Like, he's always viewed himself like this.
17:54Yeah.
17:55Like, this, for him, is not a surprise.
17:57Maybe to other people, they're like, oh, like, Jalen Brown can really do that.
18:00Like, he's really like that.
18:01But for him, he's always viewed himself like this.
18:03So the whole notion that when he comes back, they won't be able to coexist, I don't buy
18:07his head.
18:07I'm sure they'll be able to coexist, but I just wonder, for him, will it be difficult to kind
18:11of give up anything?
18:13You know?
18:13Like, he's difficult for Pippen with Jordan, and Jordan's way better than Tatum.
18:16Yeah, yeah, yeah.
18:17Yeah, I mean, it goes back to that sacrifice thing.
18:19He's also honing on that for a while.
18:20Like, you know, like, I've been having a sacrifice since I've been here.
18:24Like, it's something new.
18:25They've been teammates for almost a decade now.
18:26Oh, yeah.
18:27They've figured it out.
18:28And I know, I get it.
18:29This is new.
18:29Like, what he's doing is new without Tatum.
18:31He hasn't had this many games without him.
18:33Right.
18:33I just don't think, I think the important thing is that he's always known he was capable
18:37of this.
18:37Like, to him, nothing changes, because he's known he can do this.
18:41Externally, yes, people are looking at it that way, but he doesn't feel, I don't think
18:46he feels any different than he did last year.
18:49Like, he's just always viewed himself as this type of player.
18:52Just because he's putting it up now, he's proving it to other people, but he didn't
18:55have to prove it to himself.
18:57Okay.
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