00:00So let's raise the big questions on the water contamination deaths in Indore.
00:04Criminal negligence by the administration.
00:07Is the government, especially in Madhya Pradesh, asleep at the wheel?
00:11Why can't the cleanest city supply clean water to its citizens?
00:15Will anyone be held accountable?
00:18Jawab dehi kiski, that's going to be the top focus.
00:20Hemant Sharma, Chief Editor Prajatantra joins me.
00:23His newspaper was one of the first to cover the story.
00:26Ritesh Inani is President, Indore High Court Bar Association.
00:30He's the one who's taken a public interest litigation on contaminated drinking water
00:35that's forced the High Court to act now.
00:37Jitendra Patwari, Jitu Patwari's President, MP, Congress, also from Indore, former Cabinet Minister.
00:44Also with us, Manish Bariyar, he's leader of the BJP.
00:47Amulya Nidhi, National Convener, Jan Swasti, Abhiyan, India.
00:52Manish, I want to come to you first.
00:53The fact is, BJP leaders, their official spokespersons or their leaders in Madhya Pradesh
00:59don't want to speak on this.
01:01Obviously, they are too embarrassed.
01:02Kailash Vijay Varghia, your strongman in Madhya Pradesh, has asked questions.
01:06He said, ghanta, and use words like that.
01:08I want a straight answer from you, Manish.
01:12Do you accept that the political leadership needs to take some responsibility
01:16for these contamination deaths or not?
01:22Good evening to you and to my co-panelist.
01:25It's a very unfortunate incident.
01:28And I think it's something which is very, very concerning and distressing.
01:33And my condolences to all the families.
01:36Obviously, you know, it was a localized failure.
01:40There's no doubt on that.
01:41And the buck stops there.
01:43But at the same time, I think how you look at a government is from the response
01:48the government has taken.
01:50You know, people have been sent to hospitals.
01:52They've been treated.
01:54One has tried to ensure that, you know, the quality of the water that was coming up.
01:59So the response from administration was very, very quick.
02:01And most importantly, the heads have rolled, Rajdeepji.
02:05It's not as if the heads have not rolled.
02:07The heads have rolled after people have died, Manish.
02:10With due regard, heads have rolled after people have died.
02:13The fact is, even in early December, citizens in the area had complained
02:17about the quality of the water they were receiving.
02:20There are even reports that for three months, there was a tender
02:22that was to be put out for a leaked pipeline.
02:25The government did not act.
02:26You're saying local administration is responsible.
02:29There are officials.
02:30But the entire administration is run by the BJP.
02:32The mayor is yours.
02:33The MLAs are yours.
02:35Mr. Vijay Vargiya is your strongman minister of Indoor.
02:38I mean, where does the buck stop?
02:40You remove one official and you say accountability has been taken.
02:43What about Mr. Vijay Vargiya?
02:45What about the mayor?
02:46Who will take accountability?
02:49No, no.
02:49Even the, in fact, the mayor, I suppose, you know,
02:53the municipal commissioner has been transferred.
02:56And more importantly, I felt that this hour of distress,
03:00this particular episode especially is not about politics.
03:04It's more about how fast you can ensure that this kind of a systemic kind of a failure
03:10should not get repeated.
03:11It's about criminal negligence.
03:13There are more than 10 people who've died.
03:15It's about criminal negligence.
03:17I repeat that even as early as December 15,
03:21there were reports that there was a problem with the water that was coming in
03:25and yet no warnings were given.
03:28The fact also is that there was a tender that was to be put out in August for 100 days.
03:33No one reported on the tender of the leak, acted on the tender of the leak pipeline.
03:37I mean, you cannot escape responsibility.
03:40No, no, of course.
03:41You are in government.
03:42Even here, there is no escaping responsibility.
03:45But at the same time, I would say that such kind of unfortunate incidents
03:49have happened in the last two years.
03:51People have died in Himachal Pradesh for this.
03:53And I'm not even defending for that.
03:55These are issues that need to be...
03:59See, the government is...
04:00You know, sometimes there are errors.
04:02Of course, we try and ensure that there is no error.
04:05Zero error.
04:05But whenever the error is happening,
04:07I think the yardstick is to see how the government has responded.
04:12That is very, very important.
04:13And I think...
04:14Even the medical bills were not cleared, Manish.
04:16Even the medical bills of many people were not cleared until there was a fury.
04:20And therefore, now the Mohan Yadav government says,
04:23we are giving free medical treatment to those in hospital.
04:26You are reacting.
04:28You should have acted.
04:29You concede or not.
04:30Is there going to be any concession?
04:32Or are you going to behave like Kailash Vijay Vargya
04:35when you were asked a question on this reason?
04:37I think the individuals do not matter here.
04:41You know, you are after a person.
04:43But we are ensuring that the situation at the ground is taken care of.
04:48Responsibilities are set.
04:49And people who are responsible, they need to pay for it.
04:52I think our focus is on that to ensure that the people are taken care of.
04:56I think that is where right now in this emergency situation,
05:00that's the focus of the government.
05:02Of course, people who are responsible, they will pay for it.
05:05But I think currently, this is more important, Ghazdi.
05:08Okay, you are saying that please look at our actions after the tragedy.
05:13Jitu Patwari ji, aap jawaab de.
05:16Because the allegation now that is being made is,
05:19Congress politics khail rahi hai.
05:20Aap politician hai, aap politics khailhenge.
05:22Lekin BJP ka ka ka ka na hai, look, we are now acting.
05:26High court nae order diya hai.
05:28We are acting as per high court orders.
05:30Commissioner is being transferred.
05:32Free medical treatment is being given.
05:34Naya tender is being opened.
05:36Aap bataayye.
05:37Jitu Patwari ji, aap jawaab de.
05:42Jitu Patwari ji, aap jawaab de.
06:12Jitu Patwari ji, aap jawaab de.
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06:47We are, we are, the officials are being, are being removed.
06:55You want to say that the minister has to resign?
06:58No.
07:00The minister has to resign to do the same thing.
07:03He has to tell the minister to his own read.
07:06He has never given anyone's punishment, never asked anyone, never asked anyone, never asked anyone, never asked anyone.
07:14He has to tell the minister to his own read.
07:44He has to say,
07:50you are saying
08:10jitu patwari prime minister does not tweet on tragedies that take place in in madhya
08:16padesh like the cough syrup tragedy but let let let manish respond because manish it's coming
08:21back you are in power you have a huge majority in madhya padesh therefore according to jitu patwari
08:27the ministers are alone to themselves kailash vijay vargi is the boss of indor mohan yadav
08:33uh is his own man there is no accountability whether it is cough syrup debts or now water
08:39contamination debts uh i did wanted to bring this razdeep ji but since uh jitu patwari ji
08:45bol raha so to sbse pahle to yeh batai ki himachal pradesh me jab log meray to kya rahul gandhi
08:51ne tweet kiya or ja kar waha gaya bhi waha jayirila pani se to jayirila pani to sbse pahle
08:55you see let's not engage in what about
09:15when rehmachal pradesh happens it's a congressional state there's a simple question there is there is
09:21a seeming lack of empathy and instead the arrogance of power we are going to get elected so why should
09:27we worry about uh about these issues why should we not there used to be a time lang madhur shastri
09:33resigned over a railway accident today nobody resigns in politics money that is the truth whether congress
09:38or bjp so see my point was something else my point was that such kind of tragedy should not be
09:45politicized if i start actually speaking on what has happened in this country till 2014 before that in
09:52congress regime of course nobody is going to lie you know there are several things which i can say and
09:57then again it will go back i think what what has to judge people is that the actions that this
10:03government has taken and even the central government please tell me till 2017 was there
10:07any action plan for air pollution in this country ncap was established namami gange project came
10:15sir you have been in power now 11 years let us not talk what happened before 2014 that's when we
10:20asked congress question now we will ask you but jidhu padwari before i go to the other guest
10:24and we will ask you but you know this the part is there that is the information that you would
10:30be with the rights of the people who are there who are there who are there who are there who has
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12:02There is a different way to the people who have different politics.
12:07The second thing, the first thing was that,
12:09when there was 26 people who died,
12:13in this situation,
12:16he had 36 people who killed him.
12:22You have to search.
12:24Before you think about it,
12:27do you think that we are doing it
12:29you know this can get caught in politics but i as it is already
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