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00:00Good evening. Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari has admitted that the Pakistan army urged him to rush to the bunker during India's Operation Sindur.
00:11The Pakistan army said India had launched a fierce offensive.
00:15Pakistan's Deputy Prime Minister Ishak Dar also confirmed before Pakistan could get its act together,
00:21Indian missiles and drones had hit the Noor Khan airbase and Shorqot or Rafiki as it's known as in Pakistan now.
00:28Both in Pakistan's Punjab province but there were other places that India hit.
00:34The truth of intensity of India's airstrikes, missile strikes and drone strikes is now slowly being revealed by the terror state itself.
00:44Listen in.
00:58Pakistan admits Operation Sindur Truth.
01:10Munir's own shatters Pakistan propaganda.
01:16Attack when Noor Khan based there.
01:19Indian drones struck Noor Khan airbase.
01:29Bunkers, not bravery, is Pakistan's reality.
01:40Munir's Operation Sindur fake re-exposed.
01:44The big focus on India first.
01:50India has been a victim of Pakistan state-sponsored radical Islamist terror for decades.
01:56But Operation Sindur was the first time ever that the Indian armed forces hit terror and sponsors at home.
02:04From Muridki and Bahawalpur, the headquarters of Lashkar-e-Taiba and Jaishin Mohamed to airbases like Noor Khan, Shorqot, Sargoda, Jacobabad, Raheem Yaar Khan, Bolari in Sindh.
02:15And of course missile bases and their radar stations from Pasu to Chunya and to Malir Khan atonement in Karachi.
02:22But it's only bit by bit that information is now filtering in public domain beyond the images incidentally that have been put out by Pakistani social media as Indian missiles struck these Pakistani airbases.
02:35But what are the implications of these confessions of the terror state?
02:40We debate.
02:41Coming up at 8.30pm tonight, India's K4 submarine-launched ballistic missile test with a range of 3,500 kilometers from a nuclear submarine INS Arigat that's led to even more panic in Pakistan.
02:57And I get you that story at 8.30 tonight.
02:59I'm Gaurav Savan.
03:00As always, let's get started with the headlines on India First.
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04:39Asks Environment Ministry to respond.
04:53News coming in India has taken a major step towards strengthening our military capabilities to meet emerging and future threats.
05:01The Defence Acquisition Council chaired by Defence Minister Rajnath Singh has cleared defence procurement.
05:07The proposals are worth 79,000 crore rupees for the Army, the Navy and the Air Force.
05:14Now the approvals include advanced loitering munitions, long range rockets, drone detection systems, their next generation of precision missiles, maritime reconnaissance aircraft and surveillance platforms and pilot training systems all aimed at boosting India's precision strike capabilities, air defence, surveillance and operational readiness across the services to meet the current and emerging threats.
05:44I quickly want to cut across to India today's
05:57Gaurav, this has been one of the most significant DACs because this is not only the last DAC of the year but when we talk about the amount, it's close to 80,000 crores, the biggest DAC approval that has been given.
06:13And we also understand the emergency procurement window has been extended to 15th of January.
06:20A lot of loitering munitions have been given the acceptance of necessity including the MQ-9B drones, the for the Air Force, the Astra Mark II missile systems and the SPICE 1000 guided kits.
06:36And many other platforms have been cleared in this particular DAC and we will be seeing a lot of procurement going at a very fast pace and especially when it comes to the strike power of the Indian Army, Navy and the Air Force, the DAC has given more than 12 different weapon systems and platforms the approval.
06:56So, we will see a lot of procurement happening over the coming months and especially when India is preparing the Sudarshan Chakra of its own, the very own shield of India that will be securing the country.
07:10With two nuclear power adversaries, you are absolutely right.
07:13This is required but let's just hope this process from this point till the weapons and systems are with the armed forces, the end users does not take too many bureaucratic controls and at loss of time.
07:25Many thanks Shivani for the moment for joining me.
07:29So, from Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari to Deputy Prime Minister Ishagdar, Pakistani political leadership over the weekend spelt out details of panic in Pakistan as Indian missiles and rockets and drones not just struck nine terror headquarters and camps and multiple Pakistani military installations including radar stations during Operation Sindhu but also their air bases.
07:52Now, these confessions of the terror state totally exposed the fake narrative that was built by the Pakistan Army that claimed that no Pakistani bases or installations were hit in India's Operation Sindhuur.
08:05Pakistan is finally admitted to the truth about Operation Sindhuur and Aasim Muni's false claims of victory lie completely shattered.
08:32Pakistan's own leaders are exposing the truth.
08:36Its Deputy Prime Minister Ishagdar has admitted that India attacked the Noor Khan air base during Operation Sindhuur and even revealed that around 80 Indian drones targeted Pakistani military installations on the night of 9th May and that the Noor Khan air base was damaged.
08:51Meanwhile, Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari has gone a step further.
09:12He has admitted that Pakistan's lead.
09:13He has admitted that Pakistan's leadership was so terrified by Indian action that he was told to immediately hide in a bunker.
09:19He has admitted that Pakistan's leadership were so terrified by Indian active now that he was told immediately hide in a bunker.
09:41But the reality was very different.
09:44Operation Sindhur was launched by India on the 7th of May
09:47in retaliation to the Pahalgam terror attack that had killed 26 civilians.
09:52India first carried out precision strikes on nine terror camps in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied Kishni.
09:58The pressure was so intense that Pakistan's DGMO called India's DGMO desperately seeking a ceasefire.
10:05Now, Pakistan's President and Deputy Prime Minister have confirmed what India demonstrated through action.
10:13Operation Sindhur was precise, it was decisive and a clear message that India will not tolerate the export of terrorism.
10:21We are a report, India Today.
10:24So, Ishak Dar actually spelt out details of what he claimed or words to the effect was an intense 80 drone and missile barrage by India in 36 hours
10:35that targeted Noor Khan and Shorkot or the Rafiki airbase.
10:39Other political leaders, they've given out details of Bulari, that airbase in Sindh that was targeted.
10:44Multiple Pakistani veterans, their social media, they've given other details of multiple Air Force casualties in Indian BrahMos missile strikes.
10:53But what should one make of the timing and the details of the statements of Pakistani political leadership?
10:59Are they putting out that all-powerful Chief of Defence Forces Aasem Munir in his place, though rather discreetly and obliquely?
11:09Joining me on India first, left-hand channel Sayyad Atta Hasnain.
11:12He's former Kashmir Core Commander.
11:14Tilak Devashar is former Special Secretary of the Research and Analysis Wing,
11:20former member of the National Security Advisory Board.
11:23Also with me is Sushant Sareen, Senior Fellow at the Observer Research Foundation.
11:26And Dr. Tara Kartha is former Director, National Security Council Secretariat.
11:30Jail Hasnain, Pakistan's President Asif Ali Zardari saying his military secretary asked him to rush to a bunker.
11:37Is that sheer admission of Pakistan Army's failure that even the President of Pakistan was not safe during Operation Sindhur?
11:44The military secretary knew how weak and vulnerable were Pakistan's air defences against India?
11:50Thank you, Gaurav.
11:51Thank you, Gaurav.
11:52Thank you for inviting me for your show.
11:54Yes, sir.
11:55Inevitably, once a conflict is over, we always see this.
12:01As time goes along, the truth starts getting revealed.
12:05We saw this in Kargil.
12:07We've seen this on many, many occasions before.
12:10So, all this giant obfuscation has somehow carried on.
12:14Pakistan Armed Forces, the Army in particular, has been wanting to make sure that they create the shroud, the entire situation in a kind of a grey zone,
12:24so that the world cannot really determine as to what really transpired during this period.
12:29It is to their advantage, usually when a loser, someone who's been defeated, he is the one who will always transpire to do this kind of a thing.
12:38We have been made transparent about it.
12:41I think we have made it very clear as to what our entire strategy and our doctrine was.
12:46We have established very clearly that we initiated it, but escalation was under our control and that termination was our choice.
12:55It was not by intervention, it was not by pressure from any third party anywhere in the world.
13:01And I think Mr. Zardari's statements seem to be quite transparently pointing towards that.
13:07Okay.
13:08Mr. Devashir, your assessment of Asif Zardari and Shagdar's statements about Rawalpindi, Islamabad, Noor Khan, Shorkot being vulnerable or hit during Operation Sindur,
13:18does his statement reflect the panic that prevailed in Pakistan that they thought Fajr ki namaz, they'll attack after Fajr ki namaz, but India hit first?
13:29Thank you, Guru, for having me on your show.
13:32You see, one must remember who Zardari is.
13:35You know, there's a saying in Pakistan, ek zardari sappe baari.
13:40He's a very astute politician.
13:43What he says, he says with a lot of deliberation and a lot of care and with a lot of meaning.
13:49And look at the occasion.
13:51It was the 18th death anniversary of Ben Ujir Bhutto, his son and daughter were equally there.
13:57He had a completely captive audience.
13:59Now, this most significant thing which he said was what he told his military secretary.
14:04The military secretary said, let's go to the bunker.
14:06And he said, if martyrdom is to come, it will come here.
14:11Leaders don't die in bunkers.
14:13They die on the battlefield.
14:15They don't die sitting in bunkers.
14:18Now, everybody knows that Asim Munir and most of his army commanders were sitting in bunkers.
14:25So, what is Zardari's message?
14:28That you guys were sitting in bunkers, whereas the commanders, you should have been on the battlefield.
14:34And if I have to die, I will die as a martyr sitting here and not in a bunker.
14:39It's a huge slap on the face of Asim Munir.
14:42That's one message which Zardari has conveyed very successfully.
14:48Then he says, I knew this four days ago.
14:51Yes.
14:52Of course, it would be a generalized statement that I knew that India will attack.
14:56But if he knew it four days ago, what was the Pakistan Air Force doing?
15:02That's the second question that he has raised.
15:06So, one part of his statement is admission and confirmation of what India has been saying about the losses that Pakistan suffered.
15:14But the most significant part, as far as I'm concerned, is the domestic value of what he has told the people of Pakistan.
15:23It's a huge slap, as you say, it's a huge slap across Asim Munir's face.
15:30Sushant Sareen, and this is just the tip of the iceberg, because Indian missiles successfully hit Mureetke and Bahawalpur, Rafiki, Shorkot, Jacob Awad, Raheem Yarkhan, Sakkar, Balari and Sindh.
15:41So, Pakistan's red lines were repeatedly crossed. Pakistan's Punjab province was repeatedly hit.
15:48And except seeking a ceasefire, Asim Munir and the DGMO could do nothing.
15:54So, Gaurav, it was not just Punjab that was hit. It was also Sin that was hit. We shouldn't forget it.
16:04Jakubabad is in Sin. Karachi, the Malir cantonment, we took out an air radar, one of their radar bases.
16:12So, a lot of places were hit across the length and breadth of Pakistan.
16:16The point is that the Pakistanis, when they continue to proclaim victory, have not shown a shred of evidence.
16:23And incidentally, you know, they seem to believe that everything happened when their Kachabanyan operation started on the 10th morning and ended within a couple of hours with nothing to show for it.
16:35Because on the 10th of May, when this entire conflict really spiked up, they, if you remember, at 2.33 in the night, their DGISPR had come out and threatened that now this new massive operation is going to be launched.
16:51And that was going to be launched in one or two hours. And then by about 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock, they'd run out of steam simply because whatever they threw at us had been taken down and whatever we threw at them had damaged many, many air bases and their command and control systems were affected.
17:08And we were ready to scale up. That is when the panic bells started ringing. And don't forget that not just on the 7th early morning when we attacked the 9 terrorist bases, but subsequently on the 7th night, the 8th night also, we were carrying out operations inside Pakistan and hitting their air defense targets and other places, right?
17:32So, he had been hitting there. The fire assault at LC. The fire assault at LC. You remember, I think it was on the 7th morning or the 8th morning that we saw there was a don't strike, not just in Lahore, but there was also in Rawalpindi near that cricket stadium.
17:51Right. So, all of this was happening. Now, you know, almost like Pakistan is a schizophrenic country, which it is. I think the whole country needs to go into a psychiatric ward.
18:02But the fact is that they suffer from schizophrenia because they simply have blanked out the memories of where they were hit. They have manufactured memories of where they thought they've hit us and not provided a shed of evidence to back their claims because they say they hit some 25 Indian air bases.
18:21They have not produced a single picture with any degree of credibility to show that they actually caused any damage on any Indian air base or any Indian military establishment.
18:32And then the excuse they give is that, you know, the foreign commercial satellite guys will not part with this information.
18:39But even their Chinese brothers in arms, who have their satellites hovering over India, have not given them any image simply because there is no image to give.
18:48So, you know, the lies. They have been peddling. They have been peddling.
18:52Absolutely. Stay with me. Stay with me because their own are exposing them. Not just their political leaders.
18:58Because perhaps, Asif Zardari and Ishagdar are, they are actually striking, you know, killed by a thousand cuts.
19:05Now, these thousand cuts are being inflicted on Aasim Munir, but it's not just them.
19:09Listen in to this veteran, Pakistan Ami Air Marshal, who gives details of the losses that took place in Bolari, in Sindh and Malir Contourment in Karachi. Listen in.
19:21Asif Zardari's
19:38can do it. It was a super bad thing. It was in the morning, because there were many people
19:44who were talking about it. It was a base on four surface to surface. Bramos missile
19:51came out. Surface to surface, it was a surface. I don't know. The pilots were
19:56first to do their own, that they could secure their own. Okay. And then after that,
20:01after that, after that, after that, after that, after that, after that, after that
20:06incident, unfortunately, Bolari directly came to a hangar, where our AVAX was
20:12hit, which was damaged, and where there were also any witnesses.
20:18Dr. Tara Kartha, any army, any army would be hugely embarrassed with the kind of
20:25statements that are coming out. For example, this retired air marshal who concedes
20:28fatalities, losses of an advanced early warning command and control aircraft at Bolari,
20:33Sindh, the extent of damage in Pakistan can no longer be denied by the terror state or their
20:39ecosystem, whether in India or in different parts of the world.
20:43Absolutely, Gaurav. Thank you for having me on your show. The, I mean, the point you
20:51raised, I think, is very important. Why are they saying this now? You know, this is, politicians
20:56are very shrewd at saying the message, this has to be conveyed at, at what time and for
21:00what reason. So, Zardari is, as they said earlier, Zardari has his own, he's a very smart
21:06guy. This Mishakdar is, well, he's got his problems. But the fact of the matter is, you've
21:13got, and can you think what they are going through? You've got Asim Munir kind of, you know,
21:18he's hogging the entire show. Wherever he goes, it's Asim Munir to the front. I'm told the
21:24UAE president, somebody recently came and went and met him. When you go to the US, it's
21:28Munir up front, Nawaz Sharif apologetically at the back. So this, I think these guys have
21:34probably, you know, I mean, sorry, Shahbaz Sharif at the back. So they probably had enough
21:39of this. And especially when they know, I mean, Noor Khan is Islamabad. It's, you know,
21:45Chaklal Christ. If you bomb it, you can hear it in Islamabad. So can you imagine what kind
21:51of, you know, the fury within these people, after all, it's their country. And that bases
21:57were attacked. And this guy goes around saying nothing happened. And that, you know, he's turned
22:04the whole story on its head. So a lot of people in the know, in Pakistan are going to be pretty
22:12furious. I think they've had about enough. That's one point.
22:15Because the Awam knows, Awam knows they've been hit through and through by, by the Indian
22:21Armed Forces. General Hasnain, you're a soldier. You wear the uniform. In any country, sir, if
22:27nine locations were hit on day one, then multiple holes are punched through their air defense system
22:33on day two, from POJK to Punjab to Malir Contourment in Karachi, Sindh, and then 11 air bases are bombed.
22:40Would the air chief be sent home or the army chief be sent home in disgrace? Or will they promote
22:46themselves and proclaim victory?
22:48Well, obviously, Pakistan, you know what the position of the army in Pakistan is. And what definitely
22:57helps them tremendously is their very, very practiced doctrine of denial. You see, denial is a weapon,
23:07no doubt, lots of nations use. But Pakistan has perfected this in a very, very focused way.
23:13You saw this happening in Kargil. You've seen this in various operations in Jammu and Kashmir.
23:18Each time, speak in two different languages, have different spokesmen speak different things,
23:25have different political parties speak different things. This is an overall strategy. In fact,
23:30this is a Chinese strategy of Greyzone itself to create an obfuscated kind of a situation
23:36where no one in the world can guess who really, what really has happened. So as I said in my
23:42first intervention to you, now slowly, what is happening is that people are finding the
23:48courage to come out. At that time, the threat of, you know, someone being branded a traitor
23:55and things like that, when the situation was very hot, was there very much. But today,
24:01now you're finding these kind of cleavages taking place between the political community
24:07and the military community. And as very correctly pointed out, obviously Munir is in a bit of a spot,
24:16as far as the political community is concerned. Wherever they can find a situation,
24:20they will point a finger at him. And this is a huge finger being pointed at him.
24:25Oh, absolutely. Absolutely. So this is Asip Munir being hung out to dry by both Zardari and Ishagdar.
24:34Now, have they just struck the first knife into him? Will there be other leaders who will now,
24:40perhaps every other day, strike another knife until he bleeds by a thousand cuts?
24:46Mr. Deveshar, any civilised country, both the army and the air chief would have been sent home.
24:51The navy chief should have been booked for cowardice in Pakistan with their warships
24:55seeking refuge in civilian harbours next to merchant vessels.
24:59But in Pakistan, it's a country that's been bombed through and through and it's celebrating victory that never was.
25:05What kind of sick, mad mindset does this reflect?
25:09No, I think Atha put it well. They have perfected the art of denial.
25:15You see, you proclaim victory and the textbooks already, the school textbooks have already been revised to show that Pakistan won a stunning victory.
25:26Yeah.
25:27So, five years from now, people would have forgotten the details.
25:30Like in the case of 65. 65 has been a victory in the textbooks of Pakistan because India was not able to take Lahore or able to undo partition.
25:41So, it's a victory.
25:42Very good point. India must learn to take territory. Absolutely.
25:45Yeah. So, this is exactly what they are doing now.
25:48Because, you know, they have already revised the textbooks so quickly.
25:51Saying so, for them it's a victory.
25:54But the people are beginning to realize.
25:56Not only these two admissions, there are YouTubers sitting abroad.
26:00In fact, one of the reasons why this former ex-army officer, Adil Raja, has been put on the terrorist list.
26:07He had a program, I think last week or 10 days ago.
26:10And he went through the details of the Indian strikes of the various airfields and the air defense systems, etc.
26:18That must have really hurt Pakistan Air Force and Pakistan Army a lot because he single-handedly demolished the entire narrative which had been so built up by Pakistan over the last seven and eight months.
26:33He just demolished it.
26:34And no wonder there was an attack on his house and he's been declared now a terrorist.
26:38Truth will out.
26:39No wonder.
26:40It remains to be seen whether Britain will hand him over to Pakistan as Pakistan wants, you know, in return of taking back those grooming gang rapists from Britain.
26:49Exactly.
26:50They say also hand over Adil and certain others.
26:53But Sushant Sareen, there are analysts, there are analysts who ask, is Pakistan a zinda kaum?
27:00Can anyone dare question the army chief who claims victory when his defeat or Pakistan Armed Forces defeat is visible to the world?
27:09Pakistan's Punjab province, their red line, was breached at will by India.
27:14Not once, but at least half a dozen times.
27:16And as you rightly pointed out, from POJK to Sindh.
27:19I mean, just look at the places hit in Pakistan's Punjab and beyond.
27:22Mureed Ke, Bahawalpur, Noor Khan, Shorcoat, Sargoda, Pasroor, Chunyan, Bolari in Sindh, Malir contornment in Sindh, Jacobabad, Sakkar.
27:33Look at the number of places that have been hit.
27:35And Pakistan claims victory.
27:37Yeah, Gaurav, simple thing, the Pakistani Punjabi becomes alive and becomes a zinda kaum when there is no dunda over his head.
27:50Until then, he is like a scared little rabbit slinking in his hole and talking in salons and in private gatherings.
27:58They cannot come out in the open.
28:00So, please don't expect it.
28:01This is not a country where you have people coming out and challenging the army.
28:07You know, you showed the clip of that air marshal who was revealing what all had happened on the 10th.
28:13There is no way you can access that clip in Pakistan.
28:17It's been wiped clean.
28:18Apparently, the journalist who interviewed him has been arrested or has a couple of cases slapped against him.
28:24I can show you any number of people.
28:26So, Mr. Deveshwar just mentioned Adil Raja's case.
28:29But there are plenty of other cases like this where people have challenged this narrative and they have thrown the book at them.
28:35First.
28:36Secondly, please also remember that this is also a question of political survival of the regime.
28:42So, yes, you can take some pot shots and you can give some hints that look we know what happened on that day.
28:48But do you think can Shabash Sharif or Ishagdar, Ishagdar is nothing but a clerk.
28:53Yeah.
28:54But can these characters, can they come out openly and challenge the army?
28:59Because if you replace Aasem Munir who is propping up this regime, then this regime falls.
29:05This regime did not win an election.
29:08Shabash Sharif and others lost their own election.
29:10They are in power because of the army.
29:13They will hang together or they will, you know, stick together.
29:18There is no way out for them.
29:20So, they both will survive for as long as they can.
29:23And the resistance to Aasem Munir will come from within the army, which is the traditional thing.
29:28Remember one thing.
29:29After 1971, the debacle of Dhaka, you had Yahya Khan still harboring the belief that he could continue to rule over Pakistan.
29:40And he might have gotten away with it had there not been a rebellion within the army, refusing to accept him.
29:46And young officers standing up and abusing these fellows.
29:49Currently, they have put the clamp down.
29:52They have clamped down on everybody.
29:54Nobody can say anything.
29:55And there is also the angle.
29:57How do you admit defeat before India?
30:00You know, with all that Islam…
30:02You know, on India today…
30:03On India today, we will continue to put out all these videos.
30:07All these videos again and again and again.
30:10And of course, on our social media platforms.
30:12But Dr. Tara Kartha, you know, this actually reflects a rather deranged mindset if I may.
30:18You know, that question that I asked…
30:21Is Pakistan a Zinda Qom?
30:23Because look at their losses…
30:25Not just in terms of…
30:26To their prestige or air bases…
30:28Or terrorist organizations…
30:30But air power…
30:31From F-16s…
30:32To JF-17s…
30:33To AEWNC…
30:34Early warning command and control system…
30:37In the air and on ground…
30:39The C-130 Hercules…
30:40The mid air refueler…
30:41These are all major losses for any air power…
30:44And yet…
30:45They all promote themselves…
30:47The people in Pakistan must be really stupid…
30:50To accept all of this and celebrate…
30:52Because it's not…
30:53You know…
30:54Like the three musketeers…
30:55One for all…
30:56All for one…
30:57This is just one musketeer…
30:58All for Asim Munir…
30:59I'm glad you asked that question…
31:04You know…
31:05I just want to say one thing…
31:06These guys have started every single war…
31:08I mean…
31:09That is on a book written by a retired…
31:11Pakistan Air Marshal…
31:13That every war was started by Pakistan…
31:15Yes…
31:16Including Pat Gil later…
31:17Have they won a single war?
31:19No…
31:20Not won…
31:21In a proper battle…
31:22They don't win…
31:23But the problem is…
31:24Gaurav…
31:25That makes this particular man…
31:27That much more dangerous…
31:28He knows…
31:29He hasn't won…
31:30His immediate quarter…
31:31He also knows…
31:32That they've suffered badly…
31:33Now…
31:34The question is…
31:35What they'll get up to next…
31:36And that…
31:37Is…
31:38Well…
31:39We're seeing some of that in Bangladesh…
31:40The extent of control…
31:41You're seeing…
31:42In Pakistan…
31:43Not a single protest…
31:45Despite the Gaza decision…
31:47I mean…
31:48Virtual decision…
31:49They're nearly there…
31:50I mean…
31:51You had months and months and months of…
31:52Millions of people on the streets…
31:54And suddenly…
31:55There's no protest…
31:56This guy has got an…
31:58Iron control…
31:59Over the country…
32:00Okay…
32:01I have never seen anything like this…
32:03So…
32:04He's extremely dangerous…
32:05And I think…
32:06We should really…
32:07Watch out…
32:08For what's going to come up…
32:09And it could be in a very…
32:10Grey zone…
32:11Kind of…
32:12An issue…
32:13Okay…
32:14Of course…
32:15India's made one thing very clear…
32:17A terrorist attack…
32:18Or…
32:19Anything that's done…
32:20There's no difference between…
32:21Any non-state or state actor…
32:23Because they're all terrorists…
32:24In Pakistan…
32:25That's very clear…
32:26That's very clear…
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