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00:00I'm slightly more bearish probably than Ven is on the euro for reasons I've kind of
00:03stated, you know, I mean, for example, I don't really buy into this ECB rate hike story. I just
00:08don't think, you know, we really need to start pricing that at the moment. We're at 2%. We're
00:13not at negative or 0% interest rates. And, you know, there's a lot of optimism priced into the
00:18European growth outlook next year. I mean, Germany's particular case in point, we saw that
00:22Bundesbank report last week, which is particularly bullish, but then some survey data from Bloomberg,
00:27that's been a little bit more pessimistic. And then also, you know, you've got places like
00:32France. Yes, they've kind of kicked the can into 2026. And I think there's a bit of market
00:36relief that the political situation is actually stable. So the market has been concerned about
00:41is the risk of snap legislative elections or presidential elections. So yes, there's some
00:46reprieve on that front. But the actual fiscal situation in France is still particularly perilous
00:51because, you know, they're looking to cut their deficit to 4.7% of GDP. These latest measures
00:56may get it to 5.3, even 5.4. That's not really an improvement. And, you know, if the euro gets
01:03swept up in this, you know, global rate story with rates moving higher, if it does happen,
01:07there's not necessarily a positive for the euro. I mean, those French funding pressures
01:11are going to be even more extreme. And there's been some good work by Bloomberg noting that
01:15with France shorting their maturity profile, that leaves them more vulnerable if rates do
01:20go higher. So high rates may not even be a positive for the euro if they do come.
01:24Okay. Yes, that's an important, that link between rates and the sovereign story. Let's
01:29pivot to the UK, shall we, Adam, because we've had a lot of conflicting conversations actually
01:34about gills. So let's start with your Bank of England outlook. What are you expecting
01:37to see there? Because there's still pricing in of rate cuts, but not everyone's quite so
01:42convinced.
01:43Yeah. When it comes to rate cuts, I'm more the singular than the plural. I think, you know,
01:46we got that rate cut last week, but it was very hawkish in nature. And I think what we
01:50saw in the minutes was very telling. So even though we saw that soft inflation data the
01:54day before, those contingent of hawks on the board just aren't willing to budge. They're
01:59still concerned about the strength of underlying inflation. They're even questioning whether
02:02the policy is actually even that meaningfully restrictive. Then in the minutes, we also
02:06saw the Bank of England hint that the closer we get to neutral, which, okay, we don't necessarily
02:11know where that is. You know, Bloomberg thinks it could be around 3.5%, which would,
02:15you know, suggest 25 basis points left to get there. But the Bank of England said those
02:19decisions are becoming more contentious, which is kind of a hint to say you can't really expect
02:24too much more from us at this juncture. And I think you'll see some of the cautious cutters
02:28like Bailey, Breeden, they'll move back into the unchanged camp in February.
02:32And Adam, you can play the ref now, because we've had lots of different views on whether
02:36we should be nervous about that backloaded fiscal consolidation that was promised by the
02:41Chancellor in the budget. The last guest says, yes, you should be worried about it.
02:46Where do you land when it comes to gilts? Well, I wrote a column a few weeks ago being
02:50relatively bearish on gilts. So, I'm still very much in that camp. I think there's a
02:54few things that investors need to be concerned about. Like I just mentioned, they're not going
02:58to get support from the monetary policy channel. If global rates keep going higher, that's going
03:03to be a headwind for gilts. Then also, political risk has not gone away. Yes, there's a bit of
03:07reprieve from the budget. But I think the May local elections could be pretty telling. Labour
03:12are not polling well. I don't think it's unfair to say the market is not in love with
03:17Starmer and Reeves, but they're tolerating them. But I think there's a big fear of what
03:21could potentially come next if Starmer's premiership is to be challenged. And if you look at betting
03:27exchanges, the most likely year for Starmer to step down would be this year. And then like
03:32you said, exactly, the back-ended nature of some of those fiscal measures, that's a real
03:36concern as well. Because a lot of those are coming in in 2029, which will be the run-up
03:41to the election. And history suggests that it's not a particularly good policy for a
03:46government to start jacking up taxes in the run-up to an election. And then also, you
03:51know, some of the assumptions for the OBR, which are underpinning the fiscal headroom,
03:55they're particularly optimistic on consumption. And, you know, the UK economy isn't exactly
04:00running hot at the moment. And I think there's a Bloomberg article a few weeks ago suggesting
04:05that if, you know, the UK economy does falter, these consumption forecasts are not met. That
04:10could blow a £40 billion hole in the public finances. And the market just isn't pricing
04:14that.
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