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Caught in the Act - Unfaithful (2022) Season 4 Episode 10 - She's the Cousin
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00:00My man, when I was married to him, I even wrote a book about it.
00:04And I've made it my mission to help suspicious lovers catch their cheating partners.
00:09Oh, they kiss them too.
00:11In the act.
00:12Motherf***ing.
00:12You are audience people, yo.
00:14How many f***ing cameras are in this room?
00:16Oh my f***ing sonny.
00:18Together with my relationship expert.
00:21He will never value you unless he fears losing you.
00:27And stealthy investigation team.
00:30F***ing who's he talking to?
00:32We won't stop until we find the truth.
00:35Oh, f***ing coming out the window.
00:38Do you in fact want to see what I have to show you today?
00:41Once our investigation is complete, the suspicious lover can team up with the partner's other lover.
00:46He's trying to get me to move my whole family up here.
00:49And he having sex with you.
00:50This is ridiculous.
00:52Or take down both of them in an undercover ambush.
00:55What the hell is Tammy Roman doing?
00:57I came to find out what y'all was doing.
01:00Cheaters, beware.
01:03You stupid piece of f***.
01:05This is why it doesn't work.
01:07You're communicating like a tyrant.
01:09Oh, f***.
01:10Oh, f***.
01:12Bitch, f***.
01:13I can't take it no more.
01:15Listen to me.
01:16I can't f***.
01:17Take it.
01:18You got me f***ed up, bro.
01:19Both of y'all are acting crazy.
01:23You should be having that energy towards the man playing.
01:27Y'all.
01:28This is Caught in the Act Unfaithful.
01:32Got more gain than a little bit.
01:38Running these plays for the fill of it.
01:40And we show up and we never quit.
01:43That's the definition of true grit.
01:45Hello there, Ava.
01:47Hi, how are you?
01:48I'm loving your finger wave.
01:49Appreciate it.
01:50How are you feeling?
01:52I'm struggling right now.
01:54I'm not supposed to be here.
01:55At all.
01:56I'm not supposed to be here, but I need you.
01:58Okay.
01:59Well, I know you're nervous.
02:02I would like to get you to relax.
02:04Because you probably do need my help.
02:06Yes, I do need your help.
02:07Okay.
02:08So, the woman sitting in front of me has lived a life.
02:14And I'd like to hear about it.
02:17Tell me about your upbringing a little bit.
02:20My mom was a hardworking woman.
02:22And she held it down.
02:24Okay.
02:25Oldest out of five.
02:26So, I had that responsibility as a child to help, you know, clean, cook, make sure everything was together.
02:31I was that person.
02:33I say to people, my mom wasn't there.
02:35Not meaning she wasn't around, she didn't take care of me.
02:39She wasn't there because she worked three jobs to take care of me.
02:41Yes.
02:42Because she's all I know.
02:44We were very close.
02:45And I kept something hidden from her.
02:49I like girls.
02:51So, my mom, she was like, you like girls?
02:55I was like, yes, I do.
02:57And then she brought the Bible out.
02:59And after everything was said and done, I felt less than.
03:03I needed her support.
03:04I needed her support.
03:06I needed her support.
03:06I needed her to let me know it was okay.
03:07That I would be, it's okay to be different.
03:10Okay.
03:10That's what I needed to hear.
03:11It's okay to be different.
03:12You needed her to love.
03:15Kind of like.
03:16A little strength.
03:16A little strength.
03:17Okay.
03:18Until I got a call.
03:20My sister told me that my mom was sick.
03:23And that she's been holding God for four years.
03:26Wow.
03:27When I heard it, I just lost his day.
03:29You know what I mean?
03:29And I was mad at my mom.
03:30You held this day for four years?
03:32She was just like, I did it because I didn't want y'all to know.
03:36And then now to see her deteriorating.
03:39It's hard.
03:40It's so hard.
03:41And that's why I go so hard now for her.
03:44And hopefully there's reciprocity in that.
03:47That your mother is showing you that she loves you too.
03:50She is.
03:51She's showing me that she loves you.
03:52She appreciates me.
03:53She let me know every day.
03:53Ava, thank you.
03:55I get it.
03:56I get it.
03:57Trust me.
03:57I get it.
03:58So what's going on in the relationship?
04:01Maria.
04:03Oh, that smile is big about Maria.
04:05Maria.
04:06Maria.
04:06Maria.
04:07Maria.
04:07How did you meet Maria?
04:09At a fitness convention.
04:11Um, I was actually doing inventories, you know?
04:13And she heard my voice.
04:14It just resonated with her.
04:15It's like, okay, who is this?
04:16Okay.
04:17You know what I mean?
04:17So she came to me and, like, she had this beautiful black curly hair, green eyes.
04:23And she approached me and she was like, what's your name?
04:26You know, we exchanged numbers.
04:28So that's how that happened.
04:30Ever since then.
04:31Now you said it was a fitness convention.
04:33Yeah, it was a fitness convention.
04:34Is that what you do for a living?
04:35Yes, I'm a fitness trainer.
04:37Okay.
04:37Yes.
04:38Okay, now that explains.
04:39Yes.
04:40Yes, I am.
04:41Okay, got it.
04:41And she's a fitness influencer.
04:43How does it go from the fitness convention to y'all actually spending time together?
04:49We had a couple dates.
04:50And the couple dates were great.
04:52We talked on the phone for hours.
04:53And then I ended up moving in with her in a couple weeks.
04:57But she heard me because I've never been heard.
05:00Okay.
05:01So her listening to me was like a breath of fresh air.
05:06So four months into it, she proposed.
05:09That was quick.
05:10Yeah, I know.
05:10And I'm like, okay, you know.
05:12So it made me love her.
05:13I mean, I love her.
05:15See?
05:15That we've been fiancée.
05:16From when she proposed.
05:17I mean, fiancée, yes, when she proposed.
05:18And, okay.
05:19That's a long time.
05:20I know.
05:21I know.
05:23But it's definitely going to happen.
05:26Okay.
05:27And I remember one time when I was a little younger, I asked my mom, hey, mom, would
05:31you come to my wedding?
05:32She said, absolutely not.
05:34But my mom liked Maria a lot.
05:38When I asked her again, she's coming to the wedding.
05:40Hey, baby, neighbor.
05:42So what the hell's the problem?
05:44Oh, man.
05:45All right.
05:46So she takes phone calls.
05:48Okay.
05:49Outside now.
05:50Okay.
05:51And she used to didn't do that because she used to, you know, take it in front of me.
05:54Yeah.
05:54Because everything up until then was fine.
05:56Yes, it was.
05:57Y'all lived together.
05:58There's been no arguments.
06:00No.
06:00There's been no infidelity.
06:01None.
06:01And then out the blue now.
06:04Yes.
06:05Maria's got to step outside and take calls.
06:07She got to step outside the calls.
06:07Yes.
06:08Also, you know, another bread flag that I've seen is I found the boarding pass.
06:13I found that I was cleaning the room and I found it in the drawer.
06:16I thought that was weird.
06:17She was like, oh, I'm just going to do a convention.
06:20I was like, I didn't know about this convention.
06:22So me being me, what do you think I did?
06:24I went to go Google it to see if it was.
06:26And girl, did you know it was no convention?
06:29She going to tell me, oh, you got to look at the wrong one or whatever.
06:33And I'm just me being a people pleaser.
06:35I let it go out one ear after other.
06:37And I didn't revisit the moment again.
06:38That's not a people pleaser, though.
06:40That's you having an issue with avoidance.
06:43Yeah.
06:45Right now, I'm just at a loss.
06:48Okay.
06:48What else?
06:49Um, planning of having a child because I don't know how much time I have with my mother.
06:55You know, so I want to give her that.
06:56So I went to the clinic and I found out that I could not have kids.
07:03Oh, my God.
07:03That I could not bear.
07:04It just took a toll on me.
07:06Mm-hmm.
07:06And so Rhea is supposed to have the baby.
07:09Okay.
07:10So when we talked about that, she agreed.
07:13And now she's backing out?
07:15Yes.
07:16She doesn't want to do it.
07:17Maybe that's these.
07:18I don't know if she got scary feet.
07:20It's just my whole life will be f***ed up if I find out that she's doing some crazy s***.
07:27Because I love Maria.
07:28And for my mom to love her, too.
07:31That lets me know that this has to be right.
07:34Mm-hmm.
07:35I'm going to do my best for you.
07:38As we go through this process, I want you to keep your eyes wide, open, and not shut.
07:46Okay.
07:46You can't continue to make excuses for poor behavior.
07:50You deserve more, okay?
07:53Now, can I put cameras in the house?
07:55Yes, you can.
07:56And then I will call you once they send everything to me.
08:00Okay.
08:02We got a big easel with a bigger attitude.
08:04Moving on up with your face.
08:07All right.
08:09All right.
08:09We got a brand new case from Tammy.
08:11We got out here yesterday.
08:13We rigged the house up with three covert cameras.
08:15And we're going to see what's going on inside this morning.
08:18We're going to see what's going on inside this morning.
08:48Give me the stats.
08:49Give me the fame.
08:50Give me the plaques.
08:50I got to eat.
08:51Give me the fat.
08:52Scraping a plate.
08:53Even a scrap.
08:54Get it by any means.
08:55We about to make a scene.
08:58We followed Maria to the gym.
09:01I'm going to go ahead and grab my water bottle.
09:04There's a camera right behind here.
09:06What I'm going to do is going in like I'm ready to go work out.
09:16What's up?
09:17What's up?
09:18I give it to her.
09:40Maria got charmed.
09:41But right now, I can't say that.
09:43She's a cheater, but she is a flirter.
09:50She's leaving the gym now.
09:52We're in some type of neighborhood about an hour away from her house.
10:12Maybe she's going for a business meeting.
10:14She's got a bag in her hand, so it could be her product that she's trying to sell.
10:27Oh, is this her?
10:30It sure is.
10:31It's her.
10:32She done changed.
10:33Oh, damn.
10:33Who else is this to know you to come to take a shower?
10:37It looks like we're going back to her house.
11:01She's going to come all the way back home.
11:05Hey.
11:07Hey, Max.
11:08How are you?
11:10How was the workout?
11:11It's great.
11:12I actually met with one of you.
11:14Ended up taking this out.
11:16You know what I'm saying?
11:17This chick just lying.
11:19I'm about to go and see my mom.
11:21Are you cool with me?
11:22Damn.
11:41When she's shutting the house down, the house is going dark, so that tells me that she's in for the night.
11:47Just can't put my finger on it just yet.
11:50But there's some lies that's going on that I'm going to have to expose.
11:55Yeah.
11:57I'm coming home.
11:58Been away too long.
12:00Say ain't never safe home.
12:02And the kids all grown.
12:03But I'm coming home.
12:05You know it's been so long.
12:07Say ain't never safe home.
12:09And the kids all grown.
12:10All right, we back out here on day two.
12:11We're going to see what Maria's doing inside the house.
12:14Because we started from nothing.
12:19Had to keep up the hustling.
12:22All right.
12:23Here you go, Maria.
12:25We are on the move again.
12:27Why are we pulling into a furniture store?
12:43Who the hell is this?
12:45I want to get in there and see exactly what's going on, what's being said, and who the hell this girl is.
12:53I'm going to wear a button cam.
12:54This is my camera right in there with a microphone.
12:57I'm going to wear a button cam.
13:27Trying to look away, but you can't resist.
13:30You don't want to play with me like a star check.
13:33Thank you for coming in, Ava.
13:36This gentleman is Coach Ken.
13:38Great to meet you.
13:39Have a seat over there, my love.
13:42When people see the things that I have to show them, sometimes they don't like it so much.
13:47And he's here to help you process some of those emotions in the event that happens with you here today.
13:52Now we're going to dive into business.
13:54Before I show you what I have to show you, I want to make sure that you do, in fact, want to see it.
14:01I'd like to see it.
14:03Good.
14:04Let's get started.
14:05This is our first day of surveillance at your home.
14:10Maria comes out, gets in the car, and so naturally we pick up surveillance by following her.
14:15Okay.
14:15Maria does end up at the gym.
14:20We head inside with our hidden cameras.
14:23What's up?
14:25Check this.
14:27I'm going to call you later.
14:28Yeah, please do.
14:29I will say when people are in customer service oriented positions, they are very friendly.
14:38She's a flirtatious girl.
14:39She is flirtatious.
14:40But once Maria left the gym, she ended up at this location.
14:45Yeah, I have, I don't know whose house this is.
14:47Okay.
14:48Nice little community though.
14:49She's all right.
14:50Well, Maria ended up staying all day into the night.
14:57Into the night?
14:57Came out in a different outfit.
14:59She sure did.
15:00So clearly this is a location where she showered, changed clothes.
15:06You're trying to make me mad.
15:07No, I'm just saying we're looking at what's in front of us.
15:11And she does end up back at home.
15:13She's obviously lying.
15:20Wow.
15:22Lying out her
15:23Well, there you are leaving by yourself.
15:33Like my mom is like sick.
15:36And has she always given resistance towards that?
15:39For over like about a year, you know, her being inconsistent.
15:42Her, right.
15:44Um, but I've, I've been giving her the benefit of the doubt.
15:47Right.
15:47Um, I just kind of let it go.
15:50In other words, keeping you at arm's length for some reason.
15:54And she's obviously lying.
15:56Let's go to the next day of surveillance.
16:00You're with mommy.
16:01We follow her.
16:03And she ends up at this furniture store, Ava.
16:05She meets this woman in front.
16:08Oh.
16:09Do you know who that is?
16:10I don't know who the f*** that is.
16:11Okay.
16:12I found out her name was...
16:14$4,500?
16:21For the couch.
16:22She ain't about to get that couch.
16:28Damn.
16:29Did she just kiss this bitch?
16:30Mm-hmm.
16:31In public, though.
16:32Like, we're talking about this is in public.
16:33Oh, my God.
16:35What the f***?
16:36Bro.
16:50$4,500 for the mother f***ed couch.
16:52That could have went for the IVF.
16:53Yeah.
16:54You know what I mean?
16:54Mm-hmm.
16:55Well, I've got more to show you.
16:59After the furniture store, we follow her, and she comes home.
17:04She real cozy.
17:05You know what?
17:06I can't get home to get the f***ed.
17:07You trying to come here?
17:09Not to my mother f***ed house.
17:11Uh, my cousin actually.
17:14I'm her f***ing cousin?
17:15Oh, that bitch got me f***ed up.
17:17I'll meet you later.
17:18Okay.
17:19I love you.
17:20Wait a second.
17:21I love you.
17:22I'm no shame about to have this f***ed over my arse.
17:25That picture was of you.
17:27Oh, that's of us.
17:28Uh-huh.
17:28And then Jess pulls up.
17:34Jess missed because.
17:35Jess missed because.
17:39She's been on this.
17:40She's been watching.
17:41This is not the first time.
17:42I'm making sure you're catching it all.
17:44Okay, just imagine if there was kids, though, I'd say it's my kid.
17:57Bitch, shut the f**k.
18:01Bro.
18:03Bro, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God.
18:06Oh my God!
18:07And then they go into the bedroom, of course, where, you know, we do not have cameras.
18:17She's doing this when I'm with my sick mom.
18:20Exactly.
18:22And to see that she doesn't really want kids is like, whew.
18:28I don't know how much more time that I have for my mom.
18:31So having a family is very imperative to me.
18:33After you already told me that this is what you wanted, too, for me to hear it like this,
18:37it's f**ked up.
18:39Can I tell you what's really going on?
18:41You've always wanted to live up to what your mom wanted you to be, haven't you?
18:46Yeah.
18:46Having this child would be your way of living up to that thing my mom wants.
18:52Yes, yes, that would make her happy, you know?
18:55Yeah.
18:56What you've been doing is called disappointed child syndrome.
19:00When a person wants to live up to the expectation of their parents or somebody
19:05and they feel like they've fallen short and they keep trying.
19:10And now you've come to this one thing that mom wants.
19:15But the truth is, mom loves you.
19:18Even if you don't give mom that child, she won't love you any less and you will not have
19:23done any less.
19:24What you are and who you are is enough.
19:32Can I tell you something, Ava?
19:35My mother passed away of liver cancer.
19:37My entire life was all about, I need to make my mom proud.
19:42Come find out.
19:43She just wanted me.
19:45Yeah.
19:45To be by her side, to see her through to the end of her days.
19:51I know what you're going through.
19:53But the most important thing you can give her right now, like Coach Ken said, is you.
19:58So what you want to do is, in this moment, the young lady, Jess, we don't know anything
20:12about her.
20:13We do know that Maria got her thinking, you look at her.
20:17Okay?
20:18So she may not have the full picture either.
20:21Right.
20:22There's something that we have called a team-up.
20:27And that is where I will take you to meet with Jess.
20:31The two of you can go to confront Maria together.
20:35Okay.
20:37Let's go.
20:38I'll do that.
20:39Okay.
20:40I can feel the world crumble face down in the bubble.
20:43Gemini knife, ice worms, seeing double friends.
20:46They don't care they may love you, then they hit you, then they won't it.
20:48If they tried a little harder, maybe they'd be on your level on the bus.
20:52My investigative team has informed me that Jess is at a fitness studio.
20:58So we're going to take you over there now.
20:59This music hit me like a hoarder.
21:01Rough times on the people that you love running off.
21:04Rough times when they finally find out what they all about.
21:07Rough times when they drive.
21:09We are here where Jess is.
21:12We weren't able to put cameras inside because it's a business establishment.
21:16The minute she steps outside, you're free to go and have a conversation with her.
21:19So how about we turn on these monitors and take a look?
21:22All right.
21:34That's her.
21:35Hold on.
21:35Let me help you guys.
21:36Okay.
21:37Come on.
21:37Come on.
21:37Come on.
21:37Come on.
21:37How do you know Maria?
21:52What do you mean how do I know Maria?
21:54How do you know Maria?
21:55What's it to you?
21:55I'm asking you this right now.
21:56What is it to you?
21:57Because she's my fiance.
21:59No the f*** she has s***.
22:05How do you know Maria?
22:06What's it to you, wife?
22:07I'm her fiance, so I want to know who you are.
22:09You will f***.
22:10You tripping.
22:11I'm not tripping.
22:11Are you a drug f***?
22:12You're not going to talk to Ava like this.
22:16Listen, how long have you been doing?
22:18You coming all up with the f***?
22:19You're not going to let me talk to you.
22:20I'm going to answer your question.
22:21Hi, Jess.
22:21Hi.
22:21How are you?
22:22I mean, I was doing good until all of this.
22:25Okay, so let me explain to you what's going on today.
22:28My name is Tammy Roman.
22:30This is a show called Caught in the Act Unfaithful.
22:32Ava came to see me because she thought there was some infidelity in her relationship with Maria.
22:37Her relationship?
22:38Yes, we put Maria under surveillance and found out that Maria was actually in a relationship with you.
22:47So she wanted to come and have a conversation with you, not a confrontation.
22:51Exactly.
22:52A conversation.
22:53We're grown.
22:53We're grown.
22:54So are you able to do that with us?
22:57I just need to know what's going on because...
22:58Oh, yes.
22:59People have to take measures sometimes when they're not getting honesty from their partner.
23:03And that's exactly what's happening with Ava.
23:05Now, Ava's been in a relationship with Maria for about four years.
23:09They're engaged.
23:12How long have you been with Maria?
23:14We've been together two years.
23:16Two years?
23:17As Maria promised you.
23:18We're literally about to buy a house together.
23:20I don't even know who the f*** you are.
23:23She lives with her.
23:23Oh, that's me.
23:24She lives with me.
23:25Yes, I want to let you...
23:26Not the cousin, but that's what she's telling you that Ava is.
23:29And we put cameras in the house.
23:31So everything you're saying, we know to be true.
23:33Cameras in the house?
23:34Yeah.
23:34What?
23:35Yes.
23:36We're about to have a home bag.
23:37I don't f*** know you.
23:38Okay, that's funny.
23:39That's cute.
23:40That's cute.
23:40Okay.
23:41So I can talk to Jess.
23:43So I can talk to Jess.
23:44Take Ava over there.
23:45Jess.
23:46Okay, I need a breather.
23:47This is like a lot for me.
23:48Take a breath.
23:49I want you to understand one thing.
23:52You're telling the truth.
23:53Everything that you're saying to me, I watched with my own eyes.
23:58But I also believe Ava.
24:01I think that y'all are arguing and Maria is the person who's been lying to both of you.
24:06It's okay if you still want to be with Maria.
24:08But I think you owe it to yourself to ask Maria what's true and what's not.
24:13She's over here talking about like that they're going to have a baby.
24:15Like we don't even want kids.
24:17So there's no way that that's even true.
24:18That was the first time she was hearing.
24:20That's the first time I'm hearing anything about kids.
24:21Because Maria was actually supposed to carry the baby.
24:25You're lying.
24:26I'm not.
24:30Two years she's been lying to you.
24:32Now she's making her promises just like she's making you promises.
24:36The same promises.
24:37Same promises, talking about the future.
24:39I just want to talk.
24:40I just want to talk.
24:41You saying all this and that?
24:43You trying to claim everything?
24:44Believe it.
24:44I need some receipts.
24:45I need to know.
24:46Listen, listen.
24:47Maria still thinks that Ava is out of town visiting her mom.
24:53We still have cameras inside your house.
24:57So this is what I'm thinking.
24:59You set it up with Maria to go visit her.
25:03We'll be able to watch y'all's interaction.
25:06Then Ava will pop up and then we can get to the bottom of things.
25:12That sounds good.
25:13That's what I'm thinking.
25:14You agree, Jess?
25:17You cool with that?
25:18I think that's the only way it has to be, Jess, for you to get the truth.
25:21For you to know that Maria definitively loves you and does not want to be with Ava.
25:27So you call Maria and get on over to the house.
25:30We're going to get back in the van and meet her over there.
25:33All right.
25:33Okay?
25:34We're going to do this.
25:35We're going to do it.
25:36We're going to do it.
25:36You can run.
25:37You can hide.
25:38But I can see through your disguise.
25:41Don't be a liar.
25:45I know you want to start a fire.
25:47Jess just doesn't want to believe anything other than what Maria has told her, which
25:55is very similar to you.
25:59Very much to me.
26:00You're about to leave me to go moving with her?
26:02Like how?
26:03You know what I'm saying?
26:03So I have questions for Maria.
26:05How is she going to continue this?
26:06Exactly.
26:07And she says, look, I'll just play with the little girl.
26:14I really love you.
26:16I really want to be with you.
26:18And it's going to have to, it's going to take, it's just, I feel like it's going to take a
26:21lot of time.
26:21I don't trust her.
26:22You know what I mean?
26:23That trust has really went out the window.
26:25Like what's, what's your ultimate?
26:26Like what are you about to do?
26:27You know what I mean?
26:27Like what, really, what is it I want to do?
26:29Honestly, you know what I'm saying?
26:31F*** hers.
26:31What do I want to do?
26:33You know what I'm saying?
26:34Well, we can't make the decisions for you and what you decide to do.
26:38And hopefully whatever you decide really is what you want to do in your heart.
26:43Okay, so we are here, so they are inside.
26:56Now, as you know, we still have the cameras in your home.
26:59So once I turn on these monitors, we'll be able to see what they're doing inside.
27:05When you get ready to go have the conversation, you do just that.
27:10And should we need to step in, we will.
27:12Okay.
27:12Okay?
27:13Yes.
27:13So let's see what they got going on in this house.
27:17Girl, keep looking at me now.
27:18I'm trying to take a new picture.
27:20So what do you want me to do?
27:21I'm looking at you.
27:22Yeah, I'm looking at you for another vacation.
27:24I even still have that video.
27:26I'm trying to see you.
27:27We're getting down.
27:28There could be a warning sign.
27:30All right.
27:31Okay.
27:32Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
27:33Let me let you out.
27:35Hey.
27:35For real?
27:45For real?
27:46This what we're doing?
27:48Who is this?
27:48What the is going on?
27:49What the is going on?
27:49What the is going on?
27:51Why the is she said she's not your cousin?
27:53What the is this?
27:54Yo, this is both y'all can have this.
27:57Oh, she went in the room.
27:58Maria done went in the room.
28:00Get the out of the room.
28:01How long is she going to stay in there?
28:04Maria, come out the room.
28:10Oh, she went in the room.
28:11Maria done went in the room.
28:12Maria, come out the room.
28:14You want to, you ready?
28:16Yeah.
28:17All right, let's do it.
28:18Come out the room.
28:19You supposed to be at your mom's house.
28:21What the ?
28:21Oh, she hit this.
28:23Maria, get the out.
28:25You .
28:27You're such a .
28:28Where's Maria?
28:29She's over there.
28:30She won't duck down the dog.
28:33I was out with my mom.
28:34I was going to be sick.
28:35And she got this bitch in my house.
28:36Maria.
28:38I'm going to go.
28:40Hi, babies.
28:41Tammy Roman.
28:42Can I come talk to you?
28:43What the is going on?
28:46I am here because this is a show called Caught in the Act.
28:51Unfaithful.
28:52Ava came to see me because she thought there was infidelity
28:57in your relationship.
28:59So we put cameras in the house.
29:01I'm so mad.
29:03Why are you mad?
29:04Because it's like, yes, I make my own decisions,
29:07but at the same time, that's why.
29:09Because of how the she acts.
29:13Look, it's me.
29:16It's me, ho.
29:17If you were having issues with Ava,
29:21why didn't you tell her?
29:23You can't tell Ava.
29:26Have you asked her about her mother?
29:29She always going up and down the road for her mom.
29:31You can't tell her sh**.
29:33She's been doing that sh** for years,
29:34and it's just to the point now,
29:35I don't give a f**k.
29:36And it felt...
29:37So let me ask you this.
29:39Where your mama?
29:40So my mom and my dad had...
29:45Me and my brother, both of them,
29:46they were teenagers, right?
29:47They split.
29:48My mom was like 21.
29:49You know what I'm saying?
29:50My dad raised us.
29:52You see what I'm saying?
29:53So I moved 23 times.
29:56I didn't need motherf***** around me.
29:59So when I met Ava, I felt like,
30:01okay, maybe this could be like the situation
30:03where you actually like...
30:06You know y'all have similar story
30:07and you can build something together.
30:08I understand that you had a very tough childhood.
30:12It seems like you don't understand her dynamic.
30:16Everything Ava saw with her mom
30:18was her mom struggling, trying to provide,
30:20trying to be there for her in those ways.
30:22Now that she's sick, baby,
30:24you come to the realization
30:26that you only have one mom,
30:28good, bad, or indifferent.
30:30So I just wanted you to try to have a little...
30:32But, Jammie, maybe my s**t is f**ked up
30:35because I don't have that type of dynamic with my family,
30:37so I don't give a s**t
30:38because I've always had to do my s**t alone
30:40and I don't attach to s**t.
30:43We built some s**t together
30:44and there's got to be a balance
30:46between what you want to do
30:47and how you want to reshape the relationship
30:49with your mother
30:49and how you truly want this to be.
30:52We've been engaged for a while now.
30:56She told me.
30:57She took her s**t ring off.
30:59What is that saying to me?
31:00It feels like a slap in your face.
31:01I'm good on it.
31:02I'm good to keep the s**t off.
31:03I don't care.
31:05I've seen you with Jess's.
31:07I don't want no damn kids.
31:09I'm not trying to do that.
31:10This lady needs to know
31:11why you don't want them
31:12because I'm going to tell you something
31:13what I learned.
31:14She only want a kid
31:16because she trying to have one
31:17before her mama passed.
31:19But how do you tell somebody
31:21who you love
31:22who just found out
31:23they can't have kids
31:24that this is not what I want?
31:26I wasn't about to do that
31:27because, like I said,
31:28I love her.
31:29Now, both of y'all have been played.
31:31It is a form of emotional manipulation.
31:33So she is as much a victim as you are.
31:37Are you mad at Ava?
31:38Are you mad at Maria?
31:39I feel like everything's falling apart.
31:42I know we're both in the same position.
31:43We both got played.
31:44I don't want to argue with her.
31:46I just,
31:47I'm just kind of like
31:48just lost for words.
31:49You know what I mean?
31:50We both are.
31:51And we just got to just get down
31:53to the bottom of it
31:54because I love her.
31:55We want to have kids.
31:56We want to get married.
31:57I do think
32:02honesty would have helped
32:03in this situation.
32:05Sometimes
32:05the truth
32:06is going to hurt
32:07but it's always necessary.
32:11Do you want to be with Ava?
32:13Or do you want to be with Jess?
32:21Do you want to be with Ava?
32:23Or do you want to be with Jess?
32:24I don't want to be with Ava?
32:29You don't want to be with Ava?
32:30I don't want to be with Ava.
32:33So I was actually like
32:35in a couple months
32:36when this was up
32:37I was going to
32:38rent this shit out
32:39and move with Jess.
32:40That's why we were looking at furniture.
32:42I saw y'all shopping
32:43for the furniture.
32:44In two months.
32:44I saw y'all
32:45figuring out how to really
32:46wrap this shit together
32:48because again
32:49I care about Ava
32:50but it's from a place of like
32:52I don't want to see her
32:53in a bad space.
32:54But the love
32:55I'm not in love with her.
32:57I'm not in love with her.
32:59But you know
32:59you also lied to Jess too.
33:01You tried to say
33:01it's your cousin's place
33:03and all this other stuff.
33:04Would you be willing
33:05to come out
33:05and all of us
33:06have a conversation?
33:07Come on Maria.
33:17Scooch over baby.
33:19I found out a lot about Maria
33:21in my conversation with her.
33:24She's willing to be honest
33:25about why she's done
33:27what she's done.
33:28I've asked her
33:29to start with Jess first
33:31because I think
33:32that's going to be
33:32the easiest
33:33to explain.
33:37First Jess
33:39I want to say
33:40I'm so sorry babe
33:41like
33:42I really do care about you.
33:44I didn't know
33:45how to explain.
33:46Did you ever plan
33:47on telling me?
33:48I did.
33:48I really did
33:49in a couple months.
33:51You thought
33:51I was never going
33:52to find out
33:53about any of this
33:53and that's why
33:54you didn't want you to
33:55because it was done
33:56and I was trying
33:57to figure out how to
33:58You don't want
33:59to be with me?
34:00Really?
34:01You?
34:02Really?
34:03Alright let's use
34:03where's your ring at?
34:05Every time you get upset
34:06or there's something
34:07and you take off
34:08your ring?
34:09You know what?
34:09Do you know
34:09what that means
34:10to me?
34:10Somebody who really
34:11don't give a about
34:12commission?
34:13You know what?
34:14I heard enough
34:15for real.
34:16You're full of
34:16literally
34:18I really too much
34:19don't care about
34:20what you gotta say
34:21literally
34:21so you don't care
34:22what I gotta say?
34:23So you don't care
34:24about what I gotta say
34:25after everything
34:25that we've been through?
34:26Are you picking her
34:27for real?
34:28And you won't be
34:28oh my god
34:29alright I'm out.
34:30I'm sorry.
34:32Oh my god.
34:33Tammy you see this?
34:35Do you see this?
34:37I did.
34:37You've been looking
34:38at me in my eye
34:39this whole time
34:40knowing you were
34:42doing this to her
34:43and to me
34:44like I am literally
34:46in disbelief
34:47how do you have
34:48the nerve to do that?
34:49What did I do
34:50to deserve this?
34:51I'm sorry.
34:51I'm in my house
34:52in my house
34:53I still love you
34:54but I'm pissed
34:55I don't know
34:56I'm gonna talk to you
34:57I'm sick
34:58I can't understand
34:58what I was saying
34:59when I talked to Maria
35:01she told me
35:02Ava was the first person
35:05who made me want to commit
35:07cause I don't attach to anything
35:10rather than latching on to people
35:12she'd be like
35:12I don't give a damn
35:14I'm not gonna get too close
35:15cause I might have to leave
35:16you were the first person
35:18who made her feel like that
35:19so she decided
35:20to give you a ring
35:22and every time
35:25you got upset
35:26you took that ring off
35:30to her
35:32it's like
35:32she don't give a f*** about me
35:35then with your mom
35:36I tried to get her
35:37to understand that
35:38she still felt
35:40why did you have to be
35:42the only one
35:43to take on that?
35:45why couldn't it have been
35:46some of your siblings
35:47so that there was a balance
35:49between what you were providing
35:50for your mom
35:51and what you were providing
35:53to her
35:53the reason I'm pointing
35:56these things out
35:57because that woman
35:58just sat there and said
35:59I do not want to be with you
36:01I want you to hold
36:05your head up high
36:06I want you to know
36:07who you are
36:08keep your self-respect
36:10yes
36:11in this moment right here
36:12okay
36:13you don't want to be with me
36:14cool
36:15cool yeah
36:15I'm with that too
36:16I'm cool
36:17I'm not about to beg
36:17no f*** to be with me
36:18um I'm not
36:20yeah
36:21I'm gonna tell
36:22again I'm gonna tell
36:23you gotta know
36:23how fabulous you are
36:24yes I'm fabulous
36:25bam
36:26right now
36:34I would like for
36:35each of you
36:36to have your final say
36:37so I'm gonna start
36:38with you Jess
36:39what is your decision
36:41in this moment
36:42as much as I'm like
36:45f*** her
36:46I hate her
36:47call me stupid
36:48but I still
36:50want to make it work
36:52if that's your decision
36:54and that's what you want to do
36:56that will be up to y'all
36:57to do the work
36:58you want Jess
36:59it's gonna take a lot
37:00for me to trust you
37:00so you've told Jess
37:02you want to be with her
37:03do you have any final words
37:04you want to say to Ava
37:05Ava I am sorry
37:08I don't know whether
37:09you hear me or not
37:10but
37:10you don't even sound sorry
37:12you sound like a sorry
37:13she doesn't want to receive it
37:15that's why
37:15she doesn't have it
37:16cool
37:16people do not have to
37:18accept your apology
37:18since this is where
37:20you want to be
37:21this is what needed to happen
37:23and honestly
37:24this is my baby
37:25this is who I want to be with
37:26and I should have
37:26I should have done it earlier
37:27and I know
37:28I got a lot
37:28to make up for
37:29if she forgives me
37:31but this is where
37:32I want to be at
37:33so
37:33I like
37:34I still want to be with her
37:35but there's definitely
37:36a lot that we need to work on
37:38it was time for the truth
37:39to come to life
37:40and it came out
37:41in like
37:42the worst way possible
37:43but it had to come
37:44Maria she manipulated me
37:47this whole time
37:48with the IVF
37:50wanting to have kids
37:52and I don't need that
37:54I'm better than that
37:55I'm gonna leave this
37:56and be happy
37:57start my own life again
37:58start over
37:59and it's okay to start over
38:00I want you guys to know
38:00that it's okay to start over
38:02I was feeling kind of lonely
38:03and I think I might have
38:04lost my mind
38:06I like to let get
38:08through the talking
38:08and the red flags
38:09watch them slide
38:10hello there Ava
38:14I wasn't sure you
38:18were gonna want to talk to me
38:19after everything
38:21we went through together
38:23have you spoken to Maria?
38:25we have not spoken
38:26she is black
38:28for now
38:28and so I feel like
38:30I'm ready
38:31to let her
38:32into my space
38:33because my life
38:34is blowing right now
38:34I'm talking to someone new
38:36taking things very slowly
38:38very slowly
38:39what did you learn
38:41by going through
38:42this process
38:43that you're now
38:45applying
38:46in your new situation?
38:48people pleasing
38:49I don't want that anymore
38:50so I'm putting myself first
38:51I'm making sure
38:52that I do what I want
38:53how I want to do it
38:54and this person
38:55that I'm talking to
38:56she respects that
38:57you see
38:58I'm hammock
38:59now how is mommy?
39:02mommy's doing great
39:03I did tell her the news
39:06she was just like
39:08get her out of here
39:08it was more so
39:10and all this time
39:11you trying to stay with her
39:12for mommy
39:13oh girl
39:14all this whole time
39:16but she told me
39:16my mom is me
39:17she wants me
39:18I'm glad mommy
39:20released you from that
39:21I am so proud of you
39:23I want you to know
39:24that there are
39:24greater things
39:26ahead
39:27and mommy
39:28I am praying
39:29a speedy recovery
39:31and healing
39:32over her
39:33alright
39:33thank you
39:34for letting me
39:35check in with you
39:36my pleasure
39:36okay
39:37bye
39:38bye
39:39cheater
39:41beware
39:41how long is it going on?
39:43six plus years
39:44oh lord
39:45next time you want
39:46to be unfaithful
39:47think again
39:48because I just might
39:50kick out this damn
39:51Trump
39:52catch you in the ass
39:53you a teen ass female
39:55yeah
39:55he's playing me
39:56I would play your ass too
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