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NEW YORK (STATI UNITI) (ITALPRESS) - A margine della riunione del Consiglio di Sicurezza delle Nazioni Unite, Italpress con Stefano Vaccara ha seguito lo stakeout con l’ex Segretario Generale dell’ONU Ban Ki-moon e l’ex presidente della Colombia Juan Manuel Santos, oggi membri del gruppo degli Elders, il club dei grandi ex leader e saggi globali fondato da Nelson Mandela.
Intervenuti poco prima in Consiglio di Sicurezza, Ban Ki-moon e Santos hanno risposto alla domanda di Italpress sul ruolo delle Nazioni Unite nella prevenzione dei conflitti e sulla difficoltà di intervenire efficacemente quando le guerre sono già scoppiate. Un tema quanto mai attuale alla luce dei principali conflitti in corso, a partire dalla guerra tra Russia e Ucraina, che l’ONU non è riuscita né a prevenire né a guidare verso un processo di pace condiviso.
Nel corso dello scambio con Italpress, la domanda rivolta all’ex Segretario Generale riguardava se, alla luce della sua esperienza come UNSG e del lavoro svolto poi con gli Elders, esistano consigli o indicazioni per l’attuale Segretario Generale António Guterres, che invece non è riuscito a prevenire la l'invasione della Russia dell'Ucraina né a essere coinvolto in un processo di pace.
Ban Ki-moon e Santos hanno risposto richiamando il valore del dialogo costruttivo, della diplomazia preventiva e dell’autorità morale, strumenti che – secondo gli Elders – restano essenziali per fermare le guerre, dall’Ucraina a Gaza, dal Sudan ad altri scenari di crisi.

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00:00Il ruolo di prevenzione della guerra, come se la UN dovrebbe prevenire la guerra,
00:11nel caso della Russia e dell'Ukraine, la UN non potrebbe prevenire la guerra.
00:19Ora, non ha un ruolo in cercare la guerra, perché la UN non è involta.
00:26Quindi, la mia domanda è, avete qualche consiglio per l'attuale segretario generale
00:34su come fare la UN involvare più in la prevenzione e anche in quanto riguarda la scuola per la pazza
00:44tra la Russia e l'Ukraine?
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01:19I would go back to the founder of the Anders, Gansomandera, when he said, and this I quote
01:42quite often, that the most powerful weapon there exists is to sit down and talk, but talk
01:52in a good way, he called it constructive dialogue, what is constructive dialogue, you sit down
02:02with your adversary, with a person who is against you, to learn from him and to see if you can
02:10have, and if you can find some common ground.
02:17This constructive dialogue is lacking, lacking in the United Nations, lacking in the Security
02:25Council, and lacking in the bilateral diplomatic relations of many countries, and especially
02:33the powerful countries.
02:36One of the reasons we are here, the elders, is to try to promote, again, this dialogue,
02:45which will build trust.
02:48You were asking people who are not believing in the United Nations because they have lost
02:55trust in the United Nations, because of the lack of effectiveness.
03:00We need to recover that.
03:02How could we recover, do we recover trust in any institution, for the institution to generate
03:11the dialogue that is necessary?
03:14And this is what I think is needed right now, to end more, because we are here, the elders
03:24are, you don't have armies, we don't have billions of dollars, we only have our experience,
03:31our moral authority.
03:33So I think there are many causes that will understand that they are in the United Nations,
03:38and we have the lessons that have been brought to Ukraine.
03:39Since the United Nations went through Ukraine, to Kiev with the Bakimun in 2022, and we told
03:42President Seleski, I know that by now you are in a difficult position but start thinking
03:48about peace.
03:49What type of peace would you accept, what type of peace would you want.
03:53And you have to start working and for it, and fighting for it.
04:01and fighting for it and this is how you end wars i was able to end the war of 50 years in colombia
04:09through that constructed diagram and this is what is needed in the world it's needed in ukraine
04:16it's needed in gaza it's needed in sudan it's needed in so many conflicts that the world is
04:22having right now and the united nations must be pressing there must be much more proactive
04:28must be stimulating that constructive data would you i had a follow-up on my question would you
04:38ask president putin to sit down with you and listen to you to try to find this piece
04:46of course
04:49we are more than willing to sit down to talk to anybody
04:55in order to stop whatever war is going on and especially this war that has caused so much
05:03damage if president putin wants to speak to us we would very much would like to speak to
05:12with him and try to find this common ground to end this terrible war
05:18you
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