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Malaysia’s drone industry is exploding—but what does that really mean for jobs, safety, and the future of tech talent?
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00:00Technology must be forged with talent.
00:03We start from there.
00:04We need to stop seeing the blue colours as low-value skills.
00:10It doesn't look like my nasi lemak will be delivered by a drone anytime soon.
00:14In somewhere many years ago, people were tempted to do that,
00:17but they don't see the relevance of it.
00:19Is there a reason why we've got so many people who fly drones,
00:22but they don't take it to that next level
00:24to be able to make it a skill that is commercially viable?
00:29So, Terry, it's a spot-on question.
00:31I know.
00:32But empower the talent, technology will follow.
00:44Welcome back to another episode of Life Confessions.
00:48And we are going to go deep today into a category of education, so to speak,
00:55that has everyone talking and should have more people talking.
00:58We have with us our guest, who is also the President of Yayasan Mahir Malaysia,
01:03Datuk P. Sri Ganesh.
01:04Thank you for joining us, Datuk.
01:07Thank you, Terry.
01:07It's good to be here.
01:08Now, before we dive into how drone piloting and the industry of drones
01:15is something that we really want to learn more about,
01:17let's first find out more about your involvement with Yayasan Mahir Malaysia and TVET.
01:22Okay, Yayasan Mahir Malaysia, it's a convergence of the industry need
01:27and the skill and enhancement in this country.
01:31It was actually formed to advocate TVET in various verticals, right,
01:37from various categories from school leavers and the current graduates
01:42and also those who are looking into better career transition and so forth.
01:47So, yeah, that's the purpose of Yayasan Mahir.
01:49We advocate the skills need in this country and whatnot.
01:53But when it comes to technical vocational education training,
01:56my involvement would be when the world were looking into conventional academics.
02:02I'm from academic background as well.
02:06So, I had a different perception of the entire need when it comes to skills and so forth.
02:13So, whenever there is an academic knowledge,
02:15you have to ice it with technical skills.
02:21So, that has to be structured.
02:23So, this is where TVET comes into a play.
02:25And I was very much excited when early days when I have to match the academic needs and TVET and so forth.
02:33So, TVET itself is a subset of academic,
02:36but it has more of industry skills involved and it has more real output there
02:46rather than having just an academic knowledge profileration
02:52in terms of the need in the industry and so forth.
02:55Right.
02:56And, Datuk, to be it, our main focus for this conversation is actually around drones,
03:01the industry that has arisen from it and the opportunities as well.
03:05For people who don't know much about drones beyond just photography,
03:09what exactly can drones do today
03:11and why are they becoming such an important industry in our country, in Malaysia?
03:16You see, to understand why drones are important,
03:19the drone technology itself,
03:20we must see from the macro view.
03:24If you look at our infrastructure today,
03:27we have the roads for the cars and motorbikes.
03:32I have for helicopters and planes,
03:35that is about 20,000 square feet and above, right?
03:37So, between those two, there are a void, there's a gap.
03:42Drone technology actually unlock this particular void, this gap.
03:47So, now, anything that flies within this gap, right,
03:52is an opportunity in terms for drone technology, right?
03:56So, now, when you attach payload,
04:01I would say attachment,
04:03a device into this drone
04:08at this particular void space,
04:10then it can be an application,
04:12industry application.
04:13For example,
04:15when you attach a camera,
04:18the drone will become your surveyor.
04:20If you attach a tank,
04:22then it will become your agriculture sprayer.
04:25And then, if you,
04:27maybe you attach a sensor,
04:30then you can sense data,
04:32remote sensing and so forth.
04:34But this particular gap,
04:36that actually enhances drone technology out there.
04:39Right.
04:39So,
04:40the understanding of drones itself,
04:44it's only relevant when you understand the space which it can occupy.
04:48It seems the opportunities are limitless.
04:51There's so many applications.
04:52As long as this particular space is,
04:54the void space is utilized
04:56by using drone technology,
04:59and then, of course,
05:00the opportunity is unlimited.
05:04They can,
05:04they are in between,
05:05if you understand the analogy I explained earlier,
05:10the cars and motorbikes,
05:12they can't utilize this space.
05:13Where else,
05:14it's too expensive for helicopters to occupy this space.
05:17So, drone technology is the exact sweet spot
05:20for us to use various application in the industry.
05:27Right.
05:27And as it grows,
05:29so too will the availability of job opportunities as well
05:34for people to get involved, right?
05:35In simple terms,
05:37why is the drone industry a good career path
05:39for young Malaysians right now?
05:42I strongly believe that technology must be forged with talent.
05:46But we start from there, right?
05:49My journey actually started with the need of technology talents.
05:58Right.
05:59So, if you notice that when there is technology enhancement,
06:04there are many vertical converge together
06:08to ensure that this technology are well applied.
06:10So, there could be new skill sets,
06:15there could be existing knowledge
06:19to be converged together with these skill sets
06:21to ensure that this particular talent
06:26that we are building is relevant in the industry.
06:29So, I feel that having this knowledge
06:32on drone technology,
06:34I think, creates vast opportunity for talents out there
06:37to apply it in various verticals.
06:41Right.
06:42When people hear about a career in the drone industry,
06:45many people assume one of two things.
06:47Either you are a drone pilot
06:49or you're a drone pilot photographer of sorts.
06:52But actually, of course,
06:54the opportunities are much more vast than that.
06:57Could you give us an idea
06:58of what are the roles a person can play
07:01in the drone industry?
07:03It's a common misconception
07:05that being a drone pilot
07:07is just about holding a controller
07:10and flying a drone.
07:12Yeah.
07:12Right?
07:13That's actually the easy part.
07:15Right.
07:15Right.
07:15The professional drone operators
07:19is all about 20% flying
07:22and 80% about data processing.
07:25Hmm.
07:25Right.
07:26So, where we're getting at now
07:28is that our students,
07:30normally that we train,
07:32they learn about meteorology,
07:33they learn about air law,
07:34they learn about mission planning,
07:36and so forth.
07:36But most importantly,
07:38they learn how to process the data
07:42that they capture.
07:44Okay.
07:45Now, I always tell them
07:47a drone without process data
07:51is just a toy.
07:53So, a simple example would be
07:55you can fly a drone
07:56and take any pictures you want.
07:58You can collect as many data as you want.
08:00But if you don't know how to utilize it,
08:02you don't know how to process it,
08:03then you're losing the 80% of it,
08:05of the relevance of the drone skill set.
08:09So, what is the usage of the drone
08:12without the data?
08:13So, with the data,
08:15it's a business tool.
08:17Right?
08:17So, I like this distinction
08:20of 20% flying
08:22and 80% data processing.
08:25It really changes the perception
08:28of the drone talent needs in the market
08:32and why they should be
08:34and why they should be
08:34a commercial drone operator.
08:35Right.
08:35And the skills as well.
08:37Another simple analogy would be,
08:39like,
08:39you're having a skill set
08:41of driving a car
08:41and compared to
08:44driving an F1 car
08:46on the circuit.
08:48So, it's totally a different,
08:51it's the same vertical,
08:54but the utilization
08:55is totally different.
08:56Right.
08:58We've heard about how
09:00some people are of the opinion
09:02that if someone is good
09:04at video games,
09:05they can then become
09:06a very skilled drone pilot
09:09and then, of course,
09:10learn the other skills involved as well.
09:12Is there any truth to that?
09:14I feel that video games
09:16is more of motor skills
09:17and the skill of multitasking.
09:21Right.
09:22Right.
09:22But drone is more on,
09:25yes, you must have that skill sets,
09:27but it's also about
09:29flying responsibly.
09:32Okay.
09:32It involves public safety.
09:34So, when you play
09:35a video game, right,
09:38you actually,
09:39you can lose out
09:40and you can repeat
09:42the same
09:44game segments
09:47and so forth.
09:49But drones are
09:50quite vulnerable
09:52to all this,
09:52you know,
09:53they are sensitive
09:54flying machines.
09:56Right.
09:56So, if we were to crash
09:58on a building
09:59during inspection
10:00and whatnot,
10:01the damage is severe.
10:03I think the collateral damage
10:04is going to be impactful.
10:06That's a big difference.
10:07Yeah.
10:08Right.
10:09You know,
10:09Yayasan Mahir Malaysia,
10:10Datuk and TVET
10:11could have chosen
10:12through that,
10:13you could have chosen
10:14so many different options
10:16to pursue
10:17in terms of building talent.
10:20But you've chosen
10:21to focus
10:21on building Malaysia's
10:23drone talent
10:24through Yayasan Mahir Malaysia.
10:27Is there a reason
10:28why you were inspired
10:30to do this?
10:31Okay.
10:31You see,
10:32first and foremost,
10:35there was a single barrier
10:38when it comes to TVET,
10:40the perception itself.
10:41Yeah.
10:42So, for too long,
10:43Malaysians actually look at
10:44TVET as a second choice
10:47or backup plan.
10:48It's because most of the time,
10:49we relate TVET
10:51into the dirty,
10:55dangerous,
10:56and whatnot skills.
10:57So,
10:58people don't find it
10:59futuristic.
11:02So,
11:03in the spirit of TVET,
11:07I actually looked
11:09into building talents
11:11in emerging technologies.
11:12So,
11:13one of it is
11:14drone technology.
11:15So,
11:15in the tech world,
11:17per se,
11:18it's more of
11:19an industry problem
11:21with sustainable solutions
11:23which demands competency.
11:26So,
11:26drone technology
11:27requires
11:28those competencies
11:30to solve
11:31real-world problems.
11:32So,
11:33when I actually
11:35opted for
11:36drone technology,
11:37the idea behind this
11:39is that
11:39I can tackle
11:40different segments
11:41in building
11:43the pipeline
11:44for the nation.
11:45Yeah.
11:46Skilled
11:47talent
11:49workforce.
11:50Right.
11:51You can
11:51actually
11:52teach
11:55a graduate
11:55to fly a drone
11:57and use
11:57the existing
11:58academic knowledge
11:59and
12:01to
12:02couple with
12:03the technology
12:05to solve
12:05Like a geologist
12:06who would then
12:07learn to
12:07fly a drone
12:08and then be able
12:09to use both
12:09those skills.
12:10Yeah.
12:11Not only on
12:12high technical skills
12:13like
12:13for instance,
12:16a marketing guy,
12:18marketing graduate.
12:19He wants
12:20to promote
12:21a property
12:22or
12:23a development plan.
12:24So,
12:24he can use
12:26drone technology
12:27as one
12:28of the
12:28added advantage
12:31in having
12:33a competitive
12:34age in
12:34his
12:35marketing
12:36strategies
12:36and so forth.
12:37So,
12:37obviously,
12:38when he take
12:39up the drone
12:39skills program
12:40and all that,
12:41I think it will
12:42add value
12:43to him
12:44and he
12:44has his
12:45leverage
12:45compared to
12:46other graduates
12:46and so forth.
12:48It applies
12:49also for
12:50school leavers.
12:51They have
12:53basic competencies
12:54in terms of
12:55understanding
12:55how
12:55electronics
12:57or
12:58motor
12:58works
12:59and so forth.
12:59They can put
13:00into play
13:00when it comes
13:01to drone
13:01technology.
13:02So,
13:03we can
13:03actually
13:05create
13:07the
13:08creative minds
13:09to go into
13:09drone technology
13:10and create
13:11solutions for
13:13the real
13:14world out
13:15there.
13:15So,
13:16I think
13:16I was
13:18never wrong
13:19in choosing
13:19the skill set
13:21or the
13:21particular technology
13:22when it comes
13:23to drone
13:23technology.
13:24It's just
13:24that for
13:24me,
13:25it's
13:26easier
13:27to bring
13:28TVET to
13:28the society
13:30when it comes
13:31to emerging
13:32technologies
13:32like drones
13:33and so forth.
13:34That makes
13:34so much sense
13:35because there
13:35are so many
13:36avenues for
13:37application.
13:38Just saying
13:38that you can
13:39even use it
13:39for people
13:40who have
13:40already
13:40graduated
13:41in other
13:41fields
13:41to then
13:42further
13:43enhance
13:43their
13:43abilities,
13:44right?
13:45Also,
13:45Datuk Yayasan
13:45Mahir Malaysia
13:46has been
13:47pushing hard
13:47for large-scale
13:48TVET
13:48upscaling,
13:49like what
13:49you've just
13:49mentioned
13:50in fact.
13:51In your
13:51view,
13:51what is
13:52the single
13:52biggest
13:53structural
13:54barrier
13:54preventing
13:55Malaysian
13:56youth
13:56from entering
13:57high-value
13:58tech fields
13:59like drones?
14:00Is there
14:00something that's
14:01stopping them
14:02from moving?
14:03As I mentioned
14:03earlier,
14:04the perception
14:04itself.
14:05Still.
14:05So,
14:06as I tell
14:07you,
14:08it has been
14:08some time
14:09that many
14:11of us,
14:11when we
14:12advocate
14:12TVET,
14:12we relate
14:13it to
14:14conventional
14:15feeder skills.
14:16So,
14:17we are not
14:17making it,
14:18we are not
14:19looking it
14:19on the
14:20futuristic
14:20side of
14:21it.
14:21So,
14:23we need
14:23to convince
14:23the youth
14:24that TVET
14:25is not a
14:25step down.
14:27It's actually
14:28a fast
14:28track for
14:29you to
14:30go into
14:30a high-income
14:31career.
14:33Apart
14:33from that,
14:35in the
14:35field like
14:35ours,
14:36the drone
14:37tech and
14:37so forth,
14:38a certified
14:39skilled
14:41guys often
14:41performs
14:44better than
14:45a general
14:45degree guys.
14:46It's for
14:47obvious reasons
14:48because he
14:48has an
14:48added advantage
14:49and so
14:50forth.
14:52That is
14:52necessary
14:55for when
14:55it comes to
14:56reality check.
14:57Where are you
14:57when it comes
14:57to your
14:58role in
14:59the industry?
15:01We need
15:01to stop
15:02seeing
15:02the blue
15:04colors
15:04as low
15:06value skills.
15:07We need
15:07to
15:08have them
15:11shown as
15:12high value
15:13skills.
15:13companies.
15:14So I think
15:15coupling
15:16them with
15:17this kind
15:18of emerging
15:19technologies
15:19like
15:19drone and
15:20so forth,
15:21we can
15:21actually kill
15:22the wrong
15:24perception of
15:24TVET.
15:25We can
15:25move forward
15:26as a
15:26nation
15:26to create
15:28a more
15:29relevant
15:29workforce for
15:30country and
15:31high paying
15:32skilled
15:33graduates.
15:34Are we
15:35actively doing
15:35anything to
15:36change this
15:37perception as
15:38well?
15:38Do we need
15:39some PR
15:41skills in
15:42order to
15:42show and
15:44highlight how
15:44important it
15:45is that
15:46the TVET
15:47options are
15:48real options
15:49instead of
15:50just a
15:50backup option?
15:51That is
15:53the main
15:54reason for
15:54me to
15:55actually get
15:56this
15:56Yayasan Mahe
15:57up and
15:58running because
15:59I feel that
16:00we cannot
16:00push this
16:01as a
16:01company,
16:02we cannot
16:02push this
16:02as a
16:03commercial
16:03organization.
16:04It has
16:04to come
16:05as a
16:07collective
16:07effort by
16:08the
16:08government,
16:10industry and
16:11also individual
16:12society itself.
16:13So we do
16:13a lot of
16:13public-private
16:14partnerships to
16:15bring in
16:16industry,
16:17technology into
16:19the market.
16:20Example,
16:21we call
16:22this industry
16:23application
16:24gap.
16:26We understand
16:27what are
16:28the issues
16:28currently in
16:30the industry.
16:31So we bring
16:32those issues
16:33or problems
16:34to academics
16:35and we try
16:36to get their
16:37solution.
16:38And when
16:39I see that
16:40they have a
16:41limited option
16:41in getting
16:42those solutions,
16:43this is where
16:44we infuse with
16:44drone technology
16:46or other
16:46emerging technologies
16:47and so forth.
16:48So they will
16:49embed that in
16:50their solutions
16:50and they
16:52can get
16:52this thing
16:53up and
16:53running.
16:54So with
16:54this kind
16:55of skill
16:58sets and
16:59effort and
17:00initiatives,
17:01I think we
17:02can slowly
17:03bring people
17:04into it.
17:05See,
17:06T-VET is
17:07not about
17:08an option.
17:10T-VET is
17:10about,
17:11it should be
17:12in our daily
17:13lives.
17:14It's not an
17:14option.
17:15when you
17:16have academic
17:16knowledge,
17:17you should
17:17have,
17:18all of us
17:19should have
17:19that T-VET
17:20part of it
17:21as well.
17:22So if
17:23you believe
17:24in just
17:25pressing a
17:26button and
17:26switching option,
17:27then you
17:29are actually
17:30giving people
17:31options on
17:31T-VET.
17:32What if you
17:32say that T-VET
17:33is something
17:33compulsory,
17:34something that
17:34you need to
17:35have?
17:36Those days,
17:36I think in
17:37schools,
17:37we have this
17:38program called
17:39Kemairan Hido.
17:40For you
17:43to produce
17:45that item,
17:46you need
17:46several
17:47skill sets.
17:49So it
17:50has to be
17:51embedded in.
17:52Example,
17:52if you're
17:52teaching
17:53computers in
17:54a university,
17:56then rather
17:56than understanding
17:57how to
17:58produce an
17:59application,
18:00it's one
18:01thing.
18:01We should
18:02also know
18:02the skill
18:03sets required
18:04for you
18:05to build
18:08an application
18:08and so forth.
18:09So you
18:09need to
18:09actually pick
18:10up skills
18:10on coding,
18:11you have
18:12to pick
18:12up skills
18:12on converging
18:14different
18:15technologies
18:15and so
18:16forth.
18:16So this
18:17has to
18:17resonate
18:19with the
18:20industry
18:21applications
18:22and so
18:22forth.
18:23So once
18:23again,
18:24it has
18:26to be a
18:26collective
18:27effort
18:27with the
18:28government,
18:29society,
18:31and also
18:31industry.
18:32That sounds
18:33like a
18:34huge
18:35challenge
18:35that
18:37perhaps
18:37needs more
18:38marketing
18:39and
18:40promotion
18:40behind it.
18:41Is there
18:42enough
18:43of this
18:44effort
18:45to
18:45highlight
18:46the
18:48perception
18:49side of
18:50it?
18:50Because there's
18:50so much
18:51push going
18:51on to
18:52push the
18:53skills,
18:54to show
18:55that it's
18:56a valid
18:56way,
18:57a valid
18:58journey
18:58through
18:59education.
19:00But at the
19:01same time,
19:01because perception
19:02is an issue,
19:03so that
19:04needs to
19:04be more
19:04of
19:05something,
19:05some would
19:05argue that
19:06it needs
19:07to be
19:07seen
19:07more,
19:08that means
19:08it needs
19:09to be
19:10promoted
19:10in a
19:11certain
19:11way,
19:11and is
19:12there
19:12enough
19:12effort
19:13going on
19:13on that
19:14side
19:14of
19:14things,
19:15the
19:15perception
19:15side
19:16of
19:16things?
19:16See,
19:17when it
19:17comes to
19:18promotion,
19:18as I
19:18mentioned,
19:19promotion,
19:20awareness,
19:21it's a
19:21one-off
19:22thing.
19:23You have
19:24a campaign
19:25and that's
19:26it.
19:27All of us
19:28are active
19:28during the
19:28campaign and
19:29what happens
19:30after that?
19:31So,
19:32I believe
19:33in,
19:34I'm a
19:35doer,
19:35so in
19:37order for
19:37you to
19:37push that,
19:38you shouldn't
19:39be relying
19:40on budgets
19:41or promotions
19:42and awareness
19:42or theme
19:43and all
19:43that.
19:44All this
19:44will die
19:45off.
19:46I believe
19:46in putting
19:47long-term
19:48partnership
19:49in place
19:49like
19:50building
19:51an industry
19:52labs
19:54in
19:55polytechnics,
19:56in
19:57ILPs,
19:58work with
19:59government
20:00agencies
20:01in setting
20:01up
20:02industry
20:05based
20:06skill set
20:07training
20:08and so
20:09forth.
20:10So,
20:10when you
20:11always relate
20:11back to
20:12the
20:14requirement
20:14for you
20:16to solve
20:16a certain
20:17problems,
20:20then you
20:21will take
20:21that for
20:22granted.
20:23Example,
20:24now we
20:25have
20:25recent
20:25flooding
20:26issues
20:27and so
20:27forth.
20:28I think
20:28we need
20:29more drone
20:30pilots
20:30to actually
20:32ease the
20:32work of
20:33the
20:34government
20:34agencies
20:35and so
20:35forth.
20:36This
20:36requires
20:37them,
20:38there's a
20:38push for
20:38them to
20:39acquire
20:40those skills.
20:41And it's
20:41very
20:41practical.
20:42Practical.
20:43But if
20:44you just
20:44put it
20:44in a
20:45way that
20:45it's
20:45just a
20:46poster
20:46somewhere
20:46and so
20:48forth,
20:48it's just
20:48applicable
20:49like when
20:49you say
20:50you don't
20:50do
20:51something,
20:51everybody
20:52look at
20:52it.
20:53So you
20:53want the
20:53action,
20:54you believe
20:54in the
20:54action.
20:55You have
20:56to actually
20:56put it
20:56into play.
20:57You have
20:58to get
21:00it running,
21:00you have
21:00to create
21:01the need.
21:01So if there's
21:02a need,
21:02I think
21:03there will
21:04be a long
21:05term engagement
21:05on this and
21:06you can see
21:06some results
21:07when it comes
21:08to building
21:08skills and so
21:09it'll speak
21:10for itself
21:10because you're
21:11showing the
21:12results.
21:12I mean,
21:12that is how
21:13we,
21:14in some
21:16rather,
21:16some or
21:17other,
21:17we managed
21:18to push it
21:18to a certain
21:19level.
21:19Our public
21:20private
21:20partnership
21:21engagements
21:22were very
21:22strong.
21:23We worked
21:23with universities,
21:24we worked
21:24with polytechnics,
21:25we worked
21:25with schools,
21:26we brought
21:27TVETs in
21:27schools,
21:29we brought
21:29drone technology
21:30to schools
21:30when people
21:31saying that
21:31this is a
21:32very expensive
21:32technology but
21:33we managed
21:33to bring
21:34industry
21:34engagement to
21:35schools to
21:36actually demonstrate
21:37the actual
21:38usage of
21:39drones.
21:39Rather than
21:40creating
21:40hypes.
21:41There's a
21:42big difference
21:43between hype
21:44and the
21:45actual use
21:45of technology.
21:46So the
21:47actual use
21:48ideally will
21:48create the
21:48hype all
21:49its own.
21:49That means
21:49you don't
21:50have to
21:50manufacture
21:51the hype.
21:51The results
21:53will be the
21:53hype in
21:54itself.
21:54You shouldn't
21:55be putting
21:56drone technology
21:56as something
21:57that only
21:57certain people
21:58can get
21:58access to
21:59it and so
21:59forth.
22:00You must
22:00put it in
22:00a way that
22:01everyone with
22:02an idea
22:03can at
22:04least access
22:06certain part
22:06of the drone
22:07technology for
22:08them to achieve
22:08their
22:09objectives.
22:10That's
22:11interesting
22:11because we
22:12don't lack
22:13people who
22:14are enthusiasts
22:15of drones in
22:15Malaysia because
22:16there are
22:17thousands of
22:18drone pilots in
22:19Malaysia simply
22:19because they
22:20have drones
22:20and they fly
22:21them.
22:22But only a
22:22fraction of
22:23these people
22:24are working
22:24in high-skill
22:26commercial
22:26operations.
22:27Why is
22:28there this
22:29gap?
22:30Is there a
22:31reason why
22:31we've got so
22:32many people
22:32who fly
22:33drones but
22:33they don't
22:34take it to
22:34that next
22:35level to
22:36be able to
22:37make it a
22:38skill that
22:39is commercially
22:40viable?
22:41Terry, it's a
22:41spot-on question.
22:43I know.
22:44You see,
22:45buying a drone
22:46and flying in
22:47a park makes
22:49you a recreational
22:50flyer.
22:50Right.
22:51Shocks and
22:51dirilah.
22:51Yeah.
22:52But not a
22:53commercial
22:54operator.
22:55Right.
22:55Right.
22:56To bridge that
22:57gap, you need
22:59to have sector
23:01specific knowledge
23:02as I mentioned
23:02earlier.
23:03Knowing how to
23:04fly is basic.
23:07Anybody can
23:07just fly a
23:08drone, right?
23:09The objective
23:09of a drone is
23:10autonomous flying.
23:11So you actually
23:12don't require them
23:13to have the
23:14flying skills.
23:16What you need
23:17to have is
23:18that knowing
23:19how to map
23:20a 500 acres
23:21plantation or
23:23inspect a
23:24high-voltage
23:25tower without
23:27crashing.
23:29That requires
23:30a professional
23:31training.
23:32So that's why
23:32we have like
23:33small numbers
23:34into commercial
23:35drone flying and
23:36most of them
23:37claim themselves
23:38as drone
23:39pilots by
23:39attending a
23:40few days
23:40programs and
23:41so forth.
23:42Right.
23:43So
23:43to resonate
23:48with the
23:49need of
23:49actual
23:50commercial
23:51drone operators
23:52and those
23:53recreational
23:53flyers,
23:54right?
23:54You must
23:55understand the
23:56need of the
23:57industry itself.
23:58So if you
24:00have a drone
24:01and you
24:02fly a drone
24:03and you find
24:04yourself as a
24:04competent
24:05drone operator,
24:07well, you
24:09can be a
24:10recreational
24:10flyer.
24:11But for
24:13sure, you
24:14will be
24:14lacking the
24:15industrial
24:16competency.
24:16So you
24:17must be
24:17able to
24:17understand
24:18what the
24:18industry
24:18need and
24:20then to
24:20understand the
24:21competency
24:21part of it,
24:22then acquire
24:23the relevant
24:24skills for
24:24you to be
24:25relevant as
24:25a commercial
24:26drone operator.
24:27Right.
24:27So they
24:28also need to
24:28know that
24:28these
24:28opportunities
24:29are available
24:30because some
24:31people may
24:32not even
24:32know that
24:33that's an
24:33option,
24:34that that's
24:34something that
24:35they can
24:35pursue while
24:36they are
24:37happily flying
24:38their drone
24:39in their
24:39taman.
24:39As I
24:40mentioned,
24:40they need
24:40to know the
24:41fundamental
24:42of it.
24:44Drones are
24:44utilised in
24:45that white
24:45space as I
24:46mentioned.
24:46So whatever
24:47that you
24:47can do in
24:48the white
24:49space,
24:50that will
24:51come into
24:51reality if
24:52you understand
24:53the problem
24:53statement.
24:54So drone
24:54technology actually
24:55cut across
24:56many industries,
24:57even for
24:57indoor drone
24:58flying,
24:59for warehouse
25:00management,
25:02even for
25:03agriculture,
25:03photography,
25:05remote sensing,
25:06confined space
25:07and whatnot.
25:08Datuk, that's
25:08exactly why we
25:09need to speak
25:09to you today
25:10and people
25:10need to listen.
25:11It's a
25:11pleasure.
25:12to this
25:12conversation.
25:14You know,
25:14when we bring
25:15up the
25:15topic of
25:16drones,
25:17some people
25:17get a little
25:18nervous as
25:19well.
25:19There's a
25:20certain anxiety
25:21that comes up
25:22with it because
25:22people sometimes
25:23fear drones
25:25because they
25:27think they can
25:27be used for
25:28spying or
25:29cause accidents
25:30and this is
25:31not an
25:32unwarranted
25:32fear because
25:33it actually
25:33has happened,
25:34right?
25:34What basic
25:35rules keep
25:36the public
25:36safe and how
25:37do we
25:37reassure them?
25:38Public safety
25:40relies on
25:41simple
25:41pillars which
25:42we call
25:43the
25:45ERs.
25:48I call it
25:48the ERs.
25:49Education,
25:50registration,
25:52regulation.
25:53So, the
25:54E is the
25:54education and
25:55then the
25:56registration,
25:57regulation,
25:57meaning you
25:58have to
25:58educate yourself,
25:59then you
26:00need to
26:00ensure that
26:00you register
26:01and you
26:02follow the
26:02regulation.
26:02the most
26:04basic rule
26:05for drone
26:07technology is
26:08that maintaining
26:09visual line
26:09of sight.
26:11If you
26:11can't see
26:12your drone,
26:13you shouldn't
26:13be flying
26:14at all.
26:15Right.
26:15That means
26:16you're flying
26:16irresponsibly.
26:18Right.
26:19We also have
26:20strict no-fly
26:21zones,
26:22especially near
26:22airports or
26:24dense area
26:26and government
26:27buildings and
26:28all that.
26:29So, when
26:29pilots are
26:30properly certified,
26:30they understand
26:32the safety
26:32isn't just a
26:33rule book,
26:34it's a
26:35culture.
26:35So, when you
26:36create those
26:36cultures,
26:37you are
26:38responsibly
26:38understand that
26:40you shouldn't
26:40be flying in
26:41these areas
26:41and so forth.
26:42So, with
26:43that in
26:43place,
26:45then the
26:45idea of
26:46public safety
26:48and all
26:48that, over
26:50a period of
26:50time, we
26:50can gain trust
26:51from the
26:51public.
26:52It's just
26:53like those
26:53days when
26:54we have
26:54the escalators
26:55and lifts
26:56and all
26:56that.
26:57They're
26:57actually the
26:58lift operators
26:59to actually
27:01tell you
27:01where to
27:01go and
27:02help you
27:03to press
27:03the button
27:04and all.
27:05That was
27:05like 50
27:06years ago,
27:07right?
27:08But now,
27:09the lift
27:10tells you
27:10where to
27:10go and
27:12so forth.
27:12So, it
27:13takes some
27:13time and
27:15it's more
27:15of a
27:16public
27:17shared
27:20responsibility.
27:21So, if you
27:21understand, if
27:22you make it
27:23like a culture
27:23to drive
27:24safely, just
27:24like when
27:25you're driving
27:25a car,
27:26you'll be
27:26driving in
27:26the opposite
27:28lane.
27:29So, you
27:30need to
27:30follow rules,
27:31right?
27:31Same goes
27:31to drones,
27:32so you
27:32know where
27:32to fly.
27:34So, we
27:35need to
27:36make sure
27:37that we're
27:37up to
27:37date on
27:38what people
27:39who actually
27:40pilot drones
27:40are allowed
27:41to do.
27:42So, therefore,
27:42if you see
27:43a drone
27:43within X
27:44amount of
27:44meters to
27:45your own
27:45home,
27:45you would
27:46know whether
27:46or not
27:46that drone
27:47is even
27:47allowed to
27:48be close
27:48to your
27:48residence.
27:49So, you
27:49need to
27:50have that
27:50culture in
27:51place for
27:51you to
27:52report or
27:53for you
27:53to ensure
27:54that public
27:56safety is
27:56always the
27:57vital part
27:58in flying
27:58route.
28:00Another issue
28:00that does
28:01crop up is
28:01cyber security
28:02because it's
28:04an emerging
28:04concern.
28:05Drones can
28:05be hacked or
28:06have their
28:07data intercepted.
28:08How prepared
28:08do you think
28:09Malaysia is to
28:10build a
28:11workforce that
28:11understands both
28:13aviation safety
28:14when it comes to
28:15drones and
28:15also digital
28:16security at
28:18the same
28:18time?
28:18Okay, we
28:21are not
28:21actually flying
28:22just a
28:24drone, we
28:24are actually
28:25flying a
28:26connected
28:26edge
28:27service because
28:29it has a
28:30transmission
28:32link which
28:34the drone
28:34operator will
28:35be communicating
28:36with the
28:36drone.
28:38At the same
28:38time, it
28:39also acquires
28:40data, so it
28:42keeps the
28:42data.
28:42So, there's
28:43two levels
28:43here.
28:44One is the
28:45data level,
28:46the other
28:47one is the
28:47hardware level.
28:49As for the
28:50hardware level,
28:52the pilots
28:52must ensure
28:53there's encrypted
28:54links between
28:55these drones
28:55so that the
28:57drone will not
28:57be hijacked
28:58by somebody
28:59else.
28:59So, then it
29:00will be a
29:01public safety
29:01issue.
29:02The second
29:03level is
29:03that data
29:05itself.
29:06The data
29:07that we
29:07acquire, I
29:08mean we
29:09fly in our
29:10landscape and
29:11so forth,
29:12the data, we
29:13must ensure
29:14that these
29:15data are
29:15retained here
29:16in Malaysia
29:17but it's
29:17not sent
29:19over to a
29:20different
29:20country or
29:21and also
29:22data stability
29:23is an
29:24important part
29:24for us to
29:26look into.
29:27So, there's
29:28two parts of
29:29it.
29:29One is the
29:30hardware level
29:32and the
29:33other one is
29:33the data
29:34level itself.
29:35So, a
29:36properly trained
29:37drone pilot
29:38will understand
29:39this.
29:40So, if you
29:40were to fly
29:41a drone and
29:42then you're
29:42acquiring a
29:43data from
29:44government asset
29:45and so
29:46forth, you
29:47must first
29:47understand that
29:48the data, is
29:49it retained at
29:50your place in
29:51a Malaysian
29:52server or
29:52it's been
29:53transmitted to
29:53another country
29:54and so
29:54forth or to
29:55some other
29:56hacker and
29:57for them to
29:58gain access of
29:59that particular
30:00aerial view.
30:02And as for
30:02the hardware,
30:03imagine you're
30:03flying a drone
30:04and you have a
30:04transmission link
30:05and then somebody
30:06else can hack
30:06the transmission
30:07and then they
30:08hijack the
30:09drone.
30:09So, it could
30:09be a safety
30:10issue.
30:11So, all
30:11this are
30:12properly, now
30:14I think in
30:14terms of
30:15technology, they
30:15are very
30:16matured.
30:17The chances
30:17of this
30:18happening is
30:18very, very
30:19low, but
30:20I will not
30:22deny that
30:23it's not
30:24happening out
30:25there.
30:25It can
30:26happen.
30:26So, a
30:27properly
30:27educated drone
30:30pilot can
30:32able to
30:33handle this.
30:34A professional
30:34certified drone
30:35pilot by the
30:36Civil Aviation
30:36Authority should
30:37able to
30:38handle this.
30:38but we
30:39need to
30:39understand the
30:40fundamentals.
30:41When you
30:41see a drone,
30:42it's just not
30:43a camera
30:43flying, but
30:44it's an
30:46edge camera
30:47with a
30:49saver capability.
30:50It can
30:51able to
30:51process data
30:52simultaneously
30:53and send
30:53back to
30:54the command
30:55center and
30:56so forth.
30:56Having that
30:57in mind,
30:58so we must
30:59cater for
30:59all areas
31:02of security
31:02and so forth.
31:03I think this
31:03is accounted
31:04for, but
31:05the
31:06understanding,
31:07the public
31:08understanding is
31:08also equally
31:09important.
31:09But because
31:10to fly drones
31:11of a certain
31:11specification and
31:12capability,
31:14they must be
31:15registered.
31:16Is that the
31:16current?
31:16Yeah, you
31:17must be
31:17registered.
31:19The first
31:20thing is that
31:20the drone
31:21operator itself
31:22must be
31:23certified by
31:24CEM,
31:24Civil Aviation
31:25Authority Malaysia.
31:26Then the
31:26drone must be
31:27registered and
31:28the particular
31:28area, you
31:29should obtain
31:31a flying
31:32permit before
31:33you actually
31:33fly.
31:33So there
31:34are levels
31:35of approvals
31:39that you
31:39need to
31:39get so
31:40that we
31:41can narrow
31:42down an
31:43issue and
31:44that something
31:44happens and
31:46so forth.
31:47So it
31:48sounds like
31:48this is
31:49both, we
31:50have rules
31:51in effect
31:53already, but
31:53at the same
31:54time, it's
31:54also a work
31:55in progress
31:55at the same
31:56time.
31:56Yeah, it's
31:57an ongoing
31:58thing, but
31:59it's well
32:00regulated now.
32:00It's an
32:01ongoing thing,
32:02but again,
32:03the drone
32:03operators are
32:05very creative.
32:06So we
32:07have to let
32:08them do the
32:09mistake and
32:09we learn from
32:10them and
32:10then we
32:10need to
32:12make one
32:13of them an
32:13example.
32:14Yeah, by
32:15creating fear,
32:16we will not
32:17know what's
32:17going to
32:17happen.
32:18If we
32:19actually have
32:19a sandbox
32:20environment,
32:21let them test
32:22out whatever
32:22using their
32:24various
32:25vertical,
32:26using drone
32:26technology and
32:27so forth,
32:27we will get
32:28a better
32:28view of
32:30the drone
32:31simulation
32:32itself, what
32:33kind of
32:33problems it
32:34can create
32:35and so
32:35forth.
32:35Right, because
32:36you mentioned
32:36line of
32:37sight is one
32:37of the
32:38things that's
32:38important to
32:38be able to
32:39make sure
32:39that the
32:40pilot can
32:40see the
32:41drone that
32:42they're flying,
32:42but we
32:43already have
32:44technology that
32:44allows a
32:45person to
32:45remotely pilot a
32:47drone through
32:48like glasses
32:49that they can
32:50then...
32:50First person
32:51view flying.
32:51Right, that
32:52exists already.
32:53So as drones
32:53become more
32:54powerful with
32:55longer flight
32:56ranges and
32:56heavier payloads,
32:57how do we
32:58balance innovation
32:59with public
33:00safety without
33:01slowing down
33:02industry growth
33:02at the same
33:03time?
33:03Because we
33:04want the
33:04industry to
33:05grow, but
33:05we want to
33:06make sure
33:06it's safe.
33:07We cannot
33:08just unleash
33:08these drones
33:09in the public
33:10airspace and
33:10then hope for
33:11the best.
33:12That is
33:13something we
33:13cannot allow
33:14to happen,
33:15but we need
33:16designated safe
33:19zones where
33:21companies can
33:22test their
33:22high-risk
33:23innovations like
33:25heavy cargo
33:26delivery without
33:27endangering the
33:28public.
33:29This allows
33:30regulators to
33:31gather real-time
33:32data and
33:33instead of
33:34writing,
33:35instead of
33:36implementing
33:36something based
33:37on fear,
33:38they can write
33:39laws based on
33:40the evidence
33:41that they've
33:43captured during
33:44the test
33:45bait and so
33:45forth.
33:46So I think
33:46that will be a
33:47better approach
33:48rather than just
33:48creating fear and
33:49fear.
33:49still people
33:51are going to
33:51go against
33:53it.
33:53So what we
33:54need to do
33:55is to have
33:55an environment
33:56to test out
33:57all this,
33:57then we can
33:59have better
34:00laws in
34:00place.
34:01Do we have
34:01these safe
34:02zones?
34:03Yeah, we
34:03do.
34:04We have a
34:04couple of
34:04test bait
34:05areas.
34:07I personally
34:08am involved
34:09in drone
34:11delivery testing
34:12in Jeho,
34:13which we
34:15test various
34:16loads and so
34:17forth to see
34:18how practical,
34:20how safe is
34:20it in the
34:21industry
34:21environment.
34:23That's
34:23interesting.
34:23I'd be
34:24curious to
34:25see some
34:26of that in
34:27action, to
34:28see how
34:29heavy the
34:30payload can
34:31be.
34:33Yes, it's a
34:34technology advancement
34:34but how
34:35practical it is
34:36for consumers,
34:37there is still
34:40something to be
34:40addressed.
34:42I haven't
34:43seen it,
34:44you've seen
34:44it.
34:45How much
34:45progress are we
34:46making there?
34:48In terms of
34:50carrying the
34:51load, yes,
34:52the drone can
34:53easily carry a
34:54load but
34:55actually the
34:56propeller, the
34:57wingspan and
34:58all that really
34:59matters when you're
35:00carrying the
35:00drone but why
35:01actually you're
35:01carrying a big
35:02load of stuff
35:03and endangering
35:04the public?
35:05So I would
35:07rather use
35:08those, in my
35:10opinion, for
35:11point-to-point
35:11delivery, meaning
35:12it's not for
35:13public delivery
35:15but for
35:16certain
35:17operation
35:18from point-to-point
35:21where from
35:21that you can
35:22disseminate the
35:23cargo or
35:25the load.
35:26Oh right, so
35:26it won't be
35:26sent to the
35:28end customer,
35:29it'll be sent to
35:30like a point.
35:32So for me, drone
35:32delivery is still
35:33hub.
35:34It shouldn't be
35:35applicable to
35:35consumer.
35:36It should be
35:37applicable to
35:38point-to-point
35:39thing as a
35:39collection point
35:41and so forth
35:42but it's
35:42applicable in
35:43Sarawak, Sabah
35:43because we have
35:44landscape logistic
35:46issues and so
35:47forth.
35:47So you can
35:48reach out to
35:49a rumah panjang
35:49then from the
35:50rumah panjang
35:50people can
35:51actually distribute
35:52and all that.
35:53But the best
35:53way to operate
35:54these drone
35:54deliveries are
35:55by the
35:55coastal side.
35:57So this is
35:57less because
35:58you've got no
35:58buildings and
36:00so forth.
36:01These are the
36:02ways that
36:03government are
36:03looking into
36:04and hunting
36:05these kind of
36:05services and
36:06all that.
36:06So based on
36:07the test data
36:07and so forth,
36:09what I notice
36:09is that the
36:11technology
36:11enhancement can
36:12be only used
36:13in certain
36:13areas which
36:14has to be
36:15to have the
36:16economy of
36:16scale.
36:18Otherwise,
36:19having technology
36:20itself and
36:20we will live
36:22in the hype
36:23bubble.
36:24Right, that's
36:25very exciting.
36:26Also, I'm
36:26slightly disappointed
36:27because based
36:27on what you're
36:28saying, it
36:29doesn't look
36:29like my
36:29nasi lemak
36:30will be
36:30delivered by
36:31a drone
36:31anytime soon.
36:33Somewhere many
36:34years ago,
36:34people were
36:35tempted to do
36:35that but they
36:36don't see the
36:36relevance of it.
36:37I see the
36:38relevance in it,
36:39Dato.
36:40It's quite
36:40exciting.
36:41Imagine that
36:42you have
36:42nasi lemak
36:43coming all
36:43the way
36:43with all
36:44these propellers
36:45coming to
36:45you.
36:47Imagine the
36:47sound pollution
36:48that it makes
36:48and the
36:49species that
36:50we are
36:50killing out
36:51there.
36:51I have to
36:52concur, I
36:52agree with
36:53you but at
36:53the same
36:53time, still
36:54disappointed that
36:54I'm not
36:55getting my
36:55nasi lemak.
36:56Now, tell
36:58us about a
36:58success story
36:59from the
37:00foundation that
37:01makes you
37:01feel most
37:02proud of the
37:03work that
37:04you're doing
37:04with Yayasan.
37:06Well, it
37:07happened during
37:08the pandemic
37:08when the
37:09world shut
37:10down, many
37:10young people
37:11lost their
37:12job overnight.
37:13We launched
37:13a special
37:14COVID relief
37:17project with
37:18a simple
37:18goal which
37:19is to take
37:20unemployed
37:21youth and
37:21turn them
37:22into agro
37:23drone pilots.
37:24So, we
37:25train over
37:25200 youths.
37:26This is way
37:27back in
37:272020.
37:29What are
37:29agro drone?
37:30Agro drone
37:31pilots, those
37:32pilots, they
37:33use, I
37:34mean, those
37:34pilots can
37:35manual drones
37:35in the
37:36agriculture sites
37:37either for
37:38spraying or
37:39for collection
37:40of data.
37:41Like pesticides.
37:42Pesticides.
37:42So, we
37:43train over
37:44200 youths and
37:45those were
37:47the kids who
37:48had never flown
37:48drones before.
37:50But they
37:50were, some
37:53or other have
37:53some knowledge
37:55in terms of
37:56agriculture and
37:57so forth.
37:57Could be some
37:58graduates and
37:58so forth.
37:59So, we
38:00taught them
38:00how to
38:01spray crops,
38:03map plantation
38:04and manage
38:05data and so
38:06forth.
38:06So, today,
38:08many of
38:08them are
38:09just not
38:11employed.
38:12They are
38:12earning high
38:13income
38:13servicing this
38:15agriculture drone
38:16and it
38:18gave them a
38:18head start
38:18during COVID
38:19and now it
38:20became their
38:21so-called
38:23drone
38:23entrepreneurs
38:24right now.
38:24They went
38:25from being
38:25unemployed to
38:26now being
38:26success stories.
38:27Right.
38:28Because that
38:29particular time
38:29it pushes
38:30the boundary.
38:32So, they
38:32want to go
38:34into any
38:35field because
38:35they are
38:36desperate for
38:36jobs and
38:36all that.
38:37But we
38:37got them
38:37into high
38:38paying jobs
38:39by incorporating
38:40these drone
38:41skills and
38:41so forth.
38:42It must feel
38:43really good to
38:43know that you've
38:44had this kind
38:44of effect on
38:45someone's life.
38:45PM then in
38:462020, 2021
38:48actually visited
38:49our place.
38:51He was
38:51very happy
38:52to see our
38:53progress and
38:54so forth and
38:54many agencies
38:55then realized
38:56that this can
38:57be a good
38:58head start for
38:59the youth and
39:00since then we
39:02have been
39:02working with
39:03many government
39:03agencies in
39:04making this
39:05into a
39:05reality sustainable
39:06effort in
39:08upskilling the
39:09youth out there.
39:10How do you
39:11feel about
39:11this success?
39:13For me,
39:14it's the
39:15vision that
39:16I've seen.
39:18So, I'm
39:19happy that my
39:21team can see
39:21this, what
39:22activity that we
39:22want to achieve.
39:23So, I feel
39:25satisfied whenever
39:26I see one of my
39:27graduates are
39:28doing well in
39:29this field and
39:29so on, especially
39:30in drone technology
39:31and all that.
39:32So, having the
39:33technology but
39:34having the
39:34skill set, it
39:35really matters.
39:36So, that
39:36proves that
39:39the vision
39:41that I'm
39:42seeing is
39:42actually practical
39:43enough for
39:44others to
39:44embark in.
39:45You talk about
39:46them like a
39:46proud father.
39:48Yeah, all
39:48this.
39:50Now, Datuk, we
39:51come to the
39:51rapid-fire
39:52questions.
39:53So, whatever
39:54that comes to
39:55your mind first
39:56is the answer
39:57for today but
39:58that doesn't
39:58mean that at
39:59any other day
40:00it might be a
40:00different answer.
40:01So, for
40:02today, rapid-fire.
40:04What's the
40:04biggest myth
40:05about drones?
40:06That drones
40:07can actually
40:07deliver items
40:08to consumers.
40:11I'm still
40:11disappointed
40:12about that.
40:12That's all.
40:14Alright, question.
40:15Next question.
40:16If you could
40:16teach every
40:17Malaysian one
40:17safety rule,
40:18what would it
40:19be?
40:20Don't fly near
40:20airports, ever.
40:22Right.
40:23If you go,
40:24your go-to
40:25leadership principle
40:26in one sentence?
40:29Empower the
40:29talent, technology
40:30will follow.
40:33What's harder,
40:34getting industry
40:34to move faster
40:35or getting
40:36policy to move
40:37faster?
40:37I haven't
40:38finished the
40:39question.
40:39Are you
40:40ready?
40:40Policy.
40:41Alright, that
40:42seems a very
40:43clear answer.
40:45Actually, while
40:46we're on that,
40:46what policy do
40:48you think would
40:49be the first
40:49policy you'd
40:49like to change
40:50that would
40:51make a
40:51difference?
40:51You need to
40:52have a clear
40:52line between
40:54training and
40:54industry usage.
40:56So, we need
40:58to designate a
41:00training facility
41:02opportunity for
41:03you to put
41:04into skill set
41:06into play.
41:07But you
41:07cannot have
41:08blanket policy
41:10saying that you
41:11can't do this
41:11and you're
41:13actually curtailing
41:14the effort.
41:15Right.
41:15Those people out
41:16there want to
41:17outshine in drone
41:17technology.
41:18Oh, that makes
41:19sense.
41:21If you could
41:21give one piece
41:22of advice to a
41:2317-year-old
41:24thinking about
41:25their future,
41:26what would it
41:26be?
41:26don't follow
41:29the crowd,
41:30don't follow
41:31the hype,
41:32master specific
41:33skills that
41:35actually can
41:37solve real
41:38industry problems.
41:40Like flying a
41:41drone.
41:42Yeah, one of
41:43it.
41:44Right.
41:44I like it.
41:45It came back
41:45to full circle
41:46to exactly what
41:47you're trying to
41:48push, right?
41:49Final question.
41:50It's something we
41:50ask all of our
41:51guests.
41:52If you had the
41:52opportunity to
41:53make one change
41:54as Prime Minister
41:56of Malaysia
41:56for a day,
41:58what would it
41:58be and why
41:59would that
41:59change be?
42:02I will mandate
42:04integrated tech
42:05education whereby
42:07I will create
42:08an innovator
42:09nation rather
42:11than a consuming
42:12nation.
42:12That means
42:13basically in
42:14simple words,
42:16I don't want
42:16to teach people
42:17how to consume
42:18technology.
42:19I want to teach
42:20people how to
42:21create solutions
42:24for problems
42:25problems out
42:26there using
42:26technology.
42:27Be a part of
42:28the process
42:28and start it
42:30in school.
42:31Yes, exactly.
42:32So all you
42:32want to do,
42:33Dato, is to
42:33overhaul our
42:34entire education.
42:36If given a
42:36chance, yes.
42:38Well, I look
42:39forward to that
42:40happening and we
42:40appreciate you for
42:42sharing your
42:42thoughts today.
42:43I think we've
42:44learned a lot
42:44about not just
42:46droning but
42:48being a drone
42:48pilot and what
42:49it can do to a
42:50person's life or
42:50change a person's
42:51life.
42:51but how
42:53TVET is such
42:54an important
42:54part of
42:56education and
42:57should be seen
42:58for the change
42:59that it is,
43:00the change that
43:01it can bring.
43:02Thank you so
43:02much for joining
43:02us.
43:03Pleasure is mine.
43:04Thank you again,
43:04all of you.
43:06And thank you for
43:07joining us on
43:07another episode of
43:08Life Confessions.
43:09We'll see you on
43:11the next one here
43:12on Shock.
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