Is Europe Doing Enough for Ukraine?

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00:00And in an interview with Politico, Trump also accused Ukraine's European allies of talking

00:06too much and not delivering for the war-torn country. Any surprises in Trump's latest interview

00:13doubling down on Europe? And Tobias, does he actually have a point? Because a lot of the

00:19time we speak to each other and it seems like Europe are always having talks about talks.

00:24It is. But why are we having talks about talks? I mean, you make such an important point.

00:28The reason why we've had talks about talks is because we've been waiting, waiting for Donald

00:33Trump to somehow use the power of the White House to strike a deal. And attempt after attempt has

00:42clearly failed. But it's not just failed because the effort by America, it's because America was

00:47pursuing a very different outcome. It simply wants a fast deal so America can start trading with Russia,

00:55bring Putin in from the cold. That is the distinct difference between European thinking that treats

01:02Russia as an ideological threat and America that simply thinks this is all going to go away if some

01:09sort of deal is signed. I've said on this program, I think, in the past, every day, Britain is somehow

01:15attacked by Russia. Territorial waters are infiltrated by Russian boats now. We have undersea cables

01:24threatened, cyber attacks, disinformation campaigns. This is today. Imagine what would happen if Russia

01:32was successful in Ukraine. It would only get worse. And it's very sad that America doesn't see this, see

01:38the wider threat that Russia poses against Europe. And to have Europe and America not on the same page when

01:45the rest of the world is also becoming increasingly unstable, actually shows you that 2025 is probably

01:52the year that our global order has finally crumbled.

01:55So, thank you.

02:01So, thank you so much for joining us.