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00:00What do you see, if you want to hold it?
00:06What do you see, if you guys are holding it?
00:09So it's three of you seeking to decide what it is to be mum with two kids.
00:11So ultimately after now is that we've got an outstanding subject with a shotgun.
00:17Yes, it's a horrific scene.
00:20OK, do not say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned.
00:25Stop the murder.
00:26One question. It's not murder.
00:28It's my mother, my sister and my brother.
00:31Are the schools on lockdown?
00:35He was looking at some pretty sick content, really,
00:39around quite notorious mass killers.
00:42He's looked at some mass shooting videos.
00:45He's gone straight to the face of my job to do everything.
00:48What if I lie?
00:49He has got lots of protons on little girls
00:53and he's obsessed with Clementine,
00:55which is the little girl in the Walking Dead game that he likes.
00:59I am the chosen one, chosen by Clementine.
01:03He purchased 100 cartridges.
01:06He had 35 on him,
01:08which is more than the deadliest American mass shooting
01:13and more than twice as high as the highest death count in the UK.
01:18I think it's crucial that we find the truth.
01:28Hands on your back!
01:30Got to question everything.
01:32Believe nobody.
01:34It's almost a game of chess.
01:36Trying to slip up.
01:38This is your opportunity to talk to me.
01:50Three people were found dead in a tower block in Luton on Friday morning.
01:54Shortly afterwards, an 18-year-old man was arrested in nearby Bramingham Road.
01:58So, what was it known as a family incident?
02:00Mm.
02:01Oh, everything else takes into consultation.
02:03Ready to run a week's signature?
02:05Oh, it's a comb.
02:07It's the what?
02:09A comb.
02:10What comb?
02:11I asked what.
02:12A comb.
02:13A comb of what?
02:14Air comb.
02:15Oh, a comb.
02:16Not right now?
02:17Not right now.
02:18Your head looks fine though.
02:19What are you worried about?
02:29Bedfordshire police are investigating a triple murder.
02:34An 18-year-old man is in custody,
02:37suspected of killing his mother,
02:40sister,
02:42and brother with a shotgun.
02:47Custody.
02:53I know we haven't made a start as yet,
02:55but there's been some comments, I think, made.
02:58Yeah, he's made a number of significant comments.
03:02Really important to keep the victims at the heart of what you do.
03:05It's easy to become sidetracked by the person that's done this.
03:09They become central to the investigation
03:12and we've got them in custody
03:13and they're the face that gets often splashed about the media.
03:16But they're not important.
03:18The people who are important are the victims
03:20and their loved ones left behind.
03:22So we always, in our briefings,
03:24show pictures and say that this is who we're fighting for justice for.
03:29At this stage, he has been cleared by lads as being fit for an interview.
03:35We have an appropriate adult who's just arrived, solicit who's just arrived.
03:41And we are hoping to get into an interview this evening.
03:44You've been arrested on suspicion of the murder of Juliana Falcon, who's your mum.
03:58Giselle Prosper, who's your sister.
04:02Kyle Prosper, who's your brother.
04:04The reason that you're suspected of that is because you presented yourself to the police,
04:10you had a knife on you and you showed them where a gun was.
04:13So, did you kill them?
04:15No comments.
04:16I want you to tell me about that shotgun.
04:19No comments.
04:20Is it your shotgun?
04:21No comments.
04:22Is that a shotgun that was used to kill your mum and your brother and sister?
04:25No comments.
04:26Intelligence analysts have investigated the phones belonging to the suspect.
04:34Daz, Joni's just going to throw some cool data down to both of us who are just coming through now.
04:41Why don't, if you take the numbers, run them through the intel systems,
04:45and I'll do some open sourcing and see what we get back.
04:57What was the weapon that was found?
04:59Hang on, we should bring it up.
05:00Hang on.
05:01It's a Neko 5000 shotgun to double barrel.
05:04Yeah, I've just found an advert with a Neko 5000 for sale with that last number that's contacted,
05:10so we must have bought the gun.
05:11Yeah.
05:12How the hell has he done that?
05:18I'd always assumed that it was far more challenging to try and buy a firearm than it actually is.
05:26My immediate thought is this must be a legal site, this must be through the dark web.
05:30But there are legal sites where legally owned firearms can be bought and sold.
05:37Online guns classified.
05:38Do you want me just to ring him?
05:39We're not going to lose anything if there is offences there.
05:42We're not going to lose anything.
05:43It's just how he's paid, isn't it?
05:45Yeah.
05:46And where they delivered it to.
05:48I think the crux for me is then if we know from the off that we've got an offence, i.e.
05:53he's got no certificate to sell firearms, then it's clearly an illegal sale.
05:59We might have to change tactics but I'd be keen to speak to him as a witness first.
06:06Hello, I'm sorry to trouble you.
06:07My name's Detective Inspector Justine Jenkins from the Major Crime Unit in Hertfordshire and Bedfordshire.
06:14I just want to, I wondered whether you can help me with regards to, have you sold a shotgun recently?
06:24Ah, could you give me some details around that?
06:27We're currently investigating an incident in Bedfordshire and I just wondered if you could provide me with some further details.
06:33The gun looks to me like it's got live ammunition in it.
06:42As far as we know there were three people in the address, three people deceased.
06:47What was the purpose of having the gun reloaded again?
06:50No comment.
06:51Was it to harm yourself?
06:52No comment.
06:53Was it to harm further people?
06:54No comment.
06:55Who were the further people that you were going to harm?
06:57No comment.
06:58I've seen from the phone obviously the contact he's had with the person he's purchased the firearm from.
07:04The fact that he's got it the day before, I don't think that's a coincidence.
07:07No it's not.
07:08And then I can see through the text communication they've had with each, he sent a picture of a firearms license.
07:13Well we know he hasn't got a firearms license, so where does that come from?
07:16Yeah.
07:17I mean my bet at this stage would be, you know, as he got that sourced out on the dark web, I would have thought,
07:23I've seen he has got the talk browser on there, so...
07:26Okay.
07:27Oh, hold on one second.
07:28That's right.
07:2912 bore Nikko shotgun.
07:30Yeah.
07:31Sorry, I appreciate this must come as a bit of a shock to you, so I apologise for the cold call.
07:40How did he make contact?
07:43This gun...
07:44Yeah.
07:45Can I ask what the payment was?
07:50In cash.
07:51Okay, and how much was that?
07:536.50 pounds plus 30 for fuel.
08:00Okay.
08:01Is there anything else you want to say to us while we have this opportunity?
08:05No comments.
08:06No comments.
08:07This thing is happening to you, not us. This is your family that's died. Is there anything
08:14you want to say to us because we will end the interview if you don't want to talk anymore?
08:19No comments.
08:20Okay.
08:21I know, I'm so sorry, and I appreciate it, it's over the phone, but as you can imagine,
08:32it's quite an important inquiry, so we had to speak to you.
08:35Yeah, I know, and I understand that totally, but from everything that you've said, you've
08:41followed all the procedures that you needed to do, so, you know, don't feel like this is
08:47your fault, but we'll come and explain it more.
08:50I know, and there's nothing I can say that's probably going to change how you're feeling
08:55at the moment, but you just hang tight, don't worry about anything at the moment, and we'll
09:00come down and see you, okay?
09:03All right.
09:04Okay, you take care, sir.
09:06Take care, bye-bye.
09:25The interview, I don't know about you, Kat, but he was very calm, wasn't he? I mean, I
09:29was really just trying to focus on getting through it properly and making sure we didn't
09:33miss anything, but in the back of my mind, I was thinking, you know, I thought you'd get
09:38more upset, and when...
09:40Yeah, you literally murdered three members of your family, and then nothing.
09:44He was, like, really staring intently at us, wasn't he?
09:48Yeah, he did get this bit.
09:49He did, but that's as much as he got.
09:59Well, flowers continue to be left here in Lee Bank, in Luton, where the bodies of a mother
10:06and two of her children were found on Friday.
10:09Police don't believe there's a wider risk to the public, but to provide reassurance, there
10:13will be a heightened presence of police community support officers in the area in the coming
10:18days.
10:19We're just doing patrols around this area, um, in regards to all the stuff that's
10:30happening in Marshall.
10:31You're not in trouble or nothing, OK?
10:32Obviously, I don't really know them on a personal level, but if I do see them, it'll
10:36always be, like, a high-back kind of situation.
10:38Like, they'll just really calm people.
10:40Like, I don't have a bad word to say, but I don't really.
10:42Have you been personally affected by it?
10:44Or your family members?
10:45I say, yeah, my mum and my sister, because they, like, they heard the whole thing.
10:49Yeah?
10:50They heard the banging, the screaming.
10:51Because they were in the living room.
10:52Yeah.
10:53Apparently, like, the floor was shaking.
10:54Like, they heard the screaming.
10:55They heard, like, loud banging.
10:56And they were just, obviously, like, really confused as to what's going on.
11:03Hello.
11:04Hi.
11:05Oh.
11:06Can we come in, yeah?
11:07I've got my shoes on.
11:08Is that OK?
11:09I'll let you.
11:10Yeah?
11:11Me as well.
11:12Actually, I tried to forget.
11:14I know it's a bad thing to say, but I tried to forget things, you know, bad things that happen.
11:18Yeah.
11:19Because otherwise, it screws them in the head.
11:20Of course.
11:21Because living on your own, you start getting.
11:23Yeah.
11:24And the only hour I knew, it was about five in the morning, I heard bang, and it woke me up.
11:32Yeah.
11:33I've got two cats.
11:35They'll hide now, you won't see them.
11:37And I just said to him, I said, oh, somebody don't want to go to work.
11:40That's the way I think, you see.
11:41Yeah.
11:42I said, oh, somebody don't want to go to work.
11:43It's down the door.
11:44That's what it was.
11:45Well, I didn't know, apparently, that was the gun going off.
11:47Detectives discover a website that suspect frequently visited, which features real life videos of people dying.
12:06And I'm all right in thinking this is the site that he got kicked out of because of stuff he was saying.
12:13Yeah.
12:14So, you've got to be going somewhere to get banned on a site like this, haven't you?
12:17I mean, that's...
12:19Jesus Christ.
12:20Look at the content on it.
12:21And categories of gore.
12:23You've got compilations, beheading, suicide, execution, explosions, drowning, disaster.
12:34I mean...
12:35He's an 18-year-old lad.
12:37How would he know about this?
12:38You know, we work in law enforcement for 20 odd years and we've never seen it.
12:43So, he can only have found that, I think, through the extensive searches that he's been doing.
12:47Well, his obsession with mass shooters is just going to follow the trail, isn't he?
12:54Yeah.
12:55So, on his web history, there's loads of videos on there and they all come back to his site.
13:00So, I mean, he is, like, transfixed.
13:04Sitting there just clearly watching all of this day in, day out.
13:08Getting up at four o'clock in the morning, the first thing he's doing is going on this.
13:11Yeah.
13:12And last thing at night, he's watching this.
13:14I mean, that's going to self-radicalise yourself, isn't it?
13:18It's self-radicalisation.
13:20Nobody radicalised him.
13:24He radicalised himself.
13:26You can't pinpoint an ideology.
13:29You can't pinpoint anything other than his self-radicalisation into mass shooting.
13:36He just became obsessed with it.
13:39I don't know when the kids left watching videos of murders, paedophilia, notorious killers.
14:04It's just constant.
14:07Yeah.
14:10Oh, my God.
14:11That is.
14:12Yeah.
14:13How can that be possible?
14:14You can just get three clicks away from looking at that on the internet.
14:19The thing is, it's not even on the dark web.
14:22That's not me.
14:23This is just the normal web.
14:27Jesus.
14:28I think when you're watching this level of material on a daily basis, real footage or real killings,
14:42you know, watching a diet of horrific material, and certainly when someone is doing that in isolation,
14:48it is a concern that firstly people are putting that type of material out there,
14:53and secondly that it's as accessible as it is within two clicks.
14:57We want a free market.
15:00We want access to information.
15:02We want to be able to allow people freedom of expression.
15:07But there is some material that is beyond the pale that no right-minded person would want to view or to allow other people to view.
15:18And the UK isn't alone in facing this issue.
15:27The internet is international, so how do you regulate something that takes place on a server in a country that may not respond to requests to take down material?
15:38I think it's nigh on impossible to put the genie back into the bottle and make sure that there's only the material that we would want to see.
15:47I just, I'm just okay talking to people, although it may not seem like it all the time.
16:10I have many acquaintances.
16:12I was pretty decently liked in school.
16:15Um, no bullies, no anything.
16:18Um, in terms of close friends, I have to say around, I had around, I can't say like 15, 17.
16:33At this time, I'm not too fond of them.
16:36Uh, there was a bit of a fallout in June.
16:40The rise and proliferation of social media sites and the propensity of people to be ever-present on the internet means that it's a lot easier to get an echo chamber.
16:57And no matter how offensive or limited in popularity of view is, there is some part of the internet that's out there that allows people who hold that view to come together.
17:12Then that can reinforce and exacerbate the issue, which isn't the case in the real world.
17:19In communities, somebody is going to say, no, you've got that wrong. Just stop.
17:24There'll be a guardian, a teacher, somebody who can say, no, there's a different perspective here and you need to change it.
17:30Um, but what, what sort of things make you feel frustrated?
17:35I guess, I've never been a, I've never been a fan of authority and, I guess, powerlessness, kind of.
17:52Powerlessness in terms of not being able to do what I want to do.
17:58Hello Nicholas, come forward. I think you've made aware already, the CP has been approached and there's been six charges that have been authorised.
18:19So I'll read out some legal bits first, so you do not say anything, but it may help your defence exceed that I mentioned now, something later on in court, anything you do say may be given evidence.
18:26So the first charge is, contrary to common law, on the 13th of the night of 24 at Luton in the county of Bevershire, murdered a Gazelle Prosper.
18:33The second charge is, contrary to common law, on the 13th of the night of 24 at Luton in the county of Bevershire, murdered a Juliana Falcon.
18:41Err, the third charge is, on the 13th of the night of 24 at Luton in the county of Bevershire, murdered a Kyle Prosper.
18:48Have you got any reply to those charges?
18:58No comments.
19:00No comments.
19:01If I can ask you to sign, to say that you understand what I said, not that you're guilty, to that you understand.
19:09So the next part of my job is to decide whether you are given bail or not, and you are not going to be receiving bail.
19:22Err, the reason for that being, is, erm, the nature of your defence you've been arrested for, erm, is a severe one.
19:29Err, there's concerns that if you were to be released, you may not attend court again, because you said to the officers, if I was to flee, what would happen?
19:37Err, you've made numerous comments whilst in custody as well.
19:40Erm.
19:41I was asking questions.
19:43I appreciate that, but we have to consider whether you're going to turn up to court or not.
19:46There's concerns that you may harm other people as well, so we've got to make sure that everyone's safe and that you are safe as well.
19:52So, if I had not made those comments, would it really make a difference?
19:56No, you probably would be staying here anyway.
20:00How are you feeling now?
20:03Calm.
20:06That is all I need from you.
20:08My view is that what had happened in the flat had no impact on him.
20:14He has shown a lack of remorse, a lack of real understanding of the impact of what he's done.
20:24Are you ready to go to court?
20:27When is that?
20:28Now.
20:29Can I have a shower before?
20:30No.
20:31No, it's too late.
20:32I needed to ask earlier.
20:33I wasn't informed, sir.
20:35No, I've got the court here.
20:37They're ready to take you.
20:38So, you need to take your shoes off.
20:40I wasn't told that it's until o'clock, sir.
20:42No, they come over at any time between eight and nine.
20:46Sorry about that, but you will need your shoes.
20:52I'd like to wash my face and handle them.
20:54You can't do that.
20:55I can take you around to the sink and you can do that.
21:01These shoes are not stuck in.
21:02We'll get you some new ones.
21:03If you come around with me, I'll take you around to where the sink is so you can have a...
21:06watch your hands and face.
21:09Yeah?
21:10You good?
21:11Follow me.
21:12OK.
21:15I don't think for a moment that he reflected on murdering his family, people that loved him.
21:21No compassion for his victims has ever been shown.
21:24I mean, if you only find something now, then that's a pretty bad job from the... from this.
21:36Exactly.
21:37That's a new...
21:38Hopefully not.
21:39Shoes there for you.
21:40We've got him looking at the dates. I can see the dates.
21:57I mean, he's even looking at the weather on those dates.
21:58Yeah, it's like it's been planned, isn't it?
21:59So there's something being planned.
22:00Analysis of the suspect's online behaviour reveals what else he intended to do on the day of the murders.
22:13The fact that he's also looking at notorious shooters.
22:16Obviously, I found those searches that were a little bit random and got us thinking now about St. Joseph's.
22:22And I know you've done some additional stuff on that.
22:47I mean, I don't even want to contemplate what I think you're going to tell me, but...
22:49St. Joseph's, what primary score was his target?
22:51I was the target. Jesus.
23:05He chose a primary school because he wanted maximum impact,
23:10maximum devastation.
23:12Shooting anyone is horrific enough, but the public outcry,
23:17the shock and disbelief in his mind is multiplied.
23:20If it's children.
23:24He has searched for Adam Lanza, the Sandy Hook shooter,
23:32Jayden Parkinson, who murdered his pregnant girlfriend,
23:36Reinhard Singh, who was convicted of 136 rapes of young men,
23:41then Dunblane Primary School, then St. Joseph's Primary School.
23:47So he's, what's the inference from that, that he's Googling himself in?
23:53Because he's a nobody. Yeah.
23:56And he wants to be one of those people up there.
23:59Oh, that's mad.
24:11There's some pictures in his camera roll.
24:13There's some pictures in his downloads.
24:15He's even got some memes. I think that's what they call them.
24:17Memes is in it.
24:19Of, then you can tell it's Lanza.
24:21Adam Lanza was the shooter for the Sandy Hook Elementary School
24:27on December the 14th, 2012.
24:29He shot 20 children, six adults.
24:33So 26 victims at his old school.
24:36The Sandy Hook obsession is sort of his, other than The Walking Dead Clementine,
24:45I would say the Sandy Hook shooting and Adam Lanza is his second most obsessed thing
24:55out of all of the stuff that we've seen so far.
24:58I did a side-by-side comparison of Adam Lanza's life and his life.
25:06And if you took the names off both lists, it's carbon copy.
25:10You wouldn't have known which one was which.
25:12I think he was completely obsessed with him more than anybody else.
25:16The bits that stand out the most, Adam killed his mum before he went to go and carry out the massacre at Sandy Hook.
25:24Lived online, never left his bedroom.
25:28I ended up looking at a number of school shootings.
25:32Killing family members all seemed to be part of the plan.
25:36And I believe that he killed his family because it was part of a bigger plan.
25:46He made his plans in great detail, right down to what he was going to wear on the day.
26:08What date he was going to do it.
26:10He wanted to find a date where there was nothing else in history, which was a bigger event.
26:15So a day that he could have to himself and be known as the perpetrator of the most significant and horrific acts that had ever taken place on September the 13th.
26:28In response to the revelation of a pre-planned school shooting, high-ranking officers arrange a gold command meeting.
26:35It was not his sole intention, we think, just to carry out a killing of the three members of his family.
26:42Obviously, that will be a matter of significant concern to the community.
26:47And I think it would be advantageous if that information came from us, not from third sources.
26:54It doesn't mean necessarily, from my point of view, that it's appropriate to go and inform people of that straight away because there is that right to fair trial.
27:02What I'm really conscious of is somebody saying that we have impacted on his right to a fair trial.
27:07If somebody who was then going to the latest at the jury is hearing all this information, which we have injected into the public arena.
27:12A cold, calculated intention to bring devastation to a community because he wanted notoriety.
27:32Words can't describe the evil that rested within him.
27:38One thing that I am keen to avoid is the glorification of the offender.
28:03There's very much a mindset there where he is looking at people who've carried out mass shootings with an intention of trying to gain some form of fame or notoriety.
28:15And it would certainly be my intention to remove the oxygen from any of that type of conversation.
28:22Police have a suspected triple murderer in prison who had planned a mass shooting at a local primary school.
28:28Senior police officers and staff need to decide what information to release to the press.
28:35Whatever you do in circumstances like this, you will cause someone to think that you've made an error of judgement.
28:43Release too much, release too little, too early, too late.
28:47So it's a balance all the way through.
28:49Do I control the narrative here or do I let it have the potential to leak out?
28:56And then what does that mean?
28:58How do we really focus this on those people that are most impacted by it?
29:03So those who've lost their lives and the friends and family and loved ones of those people rather than focusing on a person who I'm just referring as the subject of the investigation rather than using his name?
29:15The less attention we can give him, the better in my view.
29:18Sorry, I'm a bit rattled. Upstairs, banging, crashing, someone screaming. Just going up to knock on the door, sorry.
29:31And I could hear him groaning like someone would be, I could hear him punching.
29:36Before trial, officers begin to review the case evidence.
29:41And then they could hear him groaning, carry on punching or whatever.
29:45And then I had a loud bang.
29:47It literally was the loudest bang.
29:49It literally scared the lights out of me.
29:51I ran back down, sorry, because it's right.
29:56Well, the fact that there was a disturbance.
29:58She's gone upstairs and then heard that bang and then everything quiet.
30:01So that's obviously the last one, isn't it?
30:03And she heard what she thought was punching and we're thinking he might have used the knife.
30:07That might have been him using a knife.
30:09Yes.
30:10Well, he's got stab wounds on his shoulders.
30:14I think his plans to carry out that school shooting failed because his mum woke up and disturbed him.
30:25And he had a regimented plan on how he was going to do it,
30:31which involved killing his family first.
30:34And his mum disturbed that.
30:37And then the neighbours knocking on the door when they heard the shotgun discharge.
30:43It was too early and the school wouldn't have been open.
30:48So, he's had to flee the flat.
30:51And then he's got this period of waiting.
30:55He had enough shotgun cartridges on him to carry out that school shooting, but he had a regimented plan of how he was going to do it.
31:11And there was a break in that chain.
31:14So, I would suggest that that plan had failed by that point.
31:18Look, that sign, home is about, home is being with a very loving family.
31:27That photo is tragic.
31:28It is tragic.
31:29And on this wall here on the other side, it's like a chalkboard for all the kids' names and pets' names with love hearts.
31:37Oh, bless their hearts.
31:39Oh, bless their hearts.
31:41Clearly a family home, isn't it?
31:43Yeah.
31:44Yeah.
31:45Is that what I think it is?
31:47Yeah, yeah.
31:48Oh, Jesus.
31:50Fucking hell.
31:52I'm sorry.
31:53W-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M-M.
32:03Can everyone know where you got the gum from?
32:05We bought it the day before, thank you.
32:07Yeah, well, where's it from though?
32:09That's weird.
32:10Do not go up to the shopping bar shopping shop!
32:12Well, not every week.
32:14It's a mood I just don't know.
32:17I don't even know.
32:18Where do you even go?
32:21The gun seller has provided a statement to the police.
32:28Over a number of days there have been a series of text messages between them discussing,
32:34I'll need to see your shotgun certificate.
32:37And so Nicholas sent a photograph of that initially.
32:41They weren't able to meet at the time.
32:43Apparently Nicholas was on some kind of voluntary project.
32:47But they agreed on the 12th.
32:49And Nicholas has proposed, let's meet in the car park.
32:52Sent a Google Maps image of where they could meet.
32:55They've arrived early at about a quarter to 11.
32:59Nicholas has said, I'm on a team's call, but I'll come.
33:02And then sometime shortly afterwards has come down.
33:06They don't see him coming out of any particular building, but coming across the car park.
33:12And then the conversation takes place at the boot of the car, which is where the shotgun is.
33:17They had the shotgun broken down into three parts.
33:20So showed Nicholas how it's reconstructed.
33:23Nicholas has showed him where the safety is.
33:26Didn't have any concerns whatsoever.
33:29Asked to see Nicholas's certificate in person.
33:33Says that the photograph looked very much like him.
33:37Said I had no concerns whatsoever.
33:39The certificate looked like it was on nice paper.
33:42It looked genuine to me.
33:43I had no concern.
33:44He seemed to have a bit of an awareness about guns, but he did say this was his first firearm.
33:50Then they've kind of departed.
33:55He feels that he did everything the correct way, but does now realise he's potentially being duped by fake documentation.
34:05He feels an immense amount of blame.
34:08So Sam, just give me a little bit more detail about how that transaction took place.
34:31So he's got hold of the shotgun the day before the murders take place on that morning.
34:38Yes.
34:40And there's nothing in law that requires the vendor of that shotgun to have told the police before they transferred it across.
34:49They can do it retrospectively.
34:50That's right.
34:51Retrospectively.
34:52Seven days is the timeframe in which it needs to be done by.
34:57Okay.
34:58I was just, I'm just trying to work through if there was any way that we could have prevented this from taking place.
35:06He'd been duped.
35:07He was a decent member of society who wouldn't have dreamt of selling one of his shotguns to anyone that had any criminal intention.
35:16But the offender in this case created a legend researching gun clubs to try and have a list of names to essentially be able to quote if needed, to build confidence.
35:26He built a legend that he worked as a volunteer at a bird sanctuary.
35:30He wanted to build trust with anyone that he was going to buy a gun from to make sure that they had no concerns, wouldn't necessarily get cold feet and change their mind or report him.
35:41And the paperwork we're assuming is a fake shotgun certificate.
35:47Yeah, absolutely.
35:48And then how did, how did the subject pay for the shotgun?
35:52It was paid for in cash.
35:54Okay.
35:55So for me looking at this, it feels slightly unusual that a vendor of a shotgun is prepared to travel from their location up to Luton and accepts several hundred pounds in cash from a relatively young purchaser of a shotgun.
36:15Yeah.
36:16But that is the system.
36:17Absolutely.
36:18There's nothing unlawful about that.
36:19That is just how the law is written at the moment.
36:22The seller was fully investigated looking for were there any offences and none have been established.
36:28It just looks like a relatively weak process.
36:31There is a, there's a gap there clearly that an 18 year old can get a shotgun, you know, within, within the law, albeit the seller was was duped.
36:44But yeah, this needs to be something more robust.
36:47I guess what we're needing then is a, is a system put in place by which we can be notified of a potential transfer before it takes place.
36:56Yeah, absolutely.
37:01The history of gun legislation in the UK is sadly marked with events that have caused us to tighten the legislation.
37:11Hungerford, Dunblane, Plymouth.
37:14The door is always changing.
37:16Learning from, from criminal cases where gaps in legislation are identified.
37:21This is certainly one of those cases where I hope that the door is tightened up around firearms licensing that reduce the likelihood of such an offence happening again.
37:30I think there is only an offence happening again.
37:47Let's uh recap on what's happening in one of the big stories of the day.
37:50One of the big stories of the day, a man from Luton pleaded guilty this afternoon to the
37:55murder of his mother and two siblings.
37:59With the suspect pleading guilty and sentencing for his crimes approaching, detectives decide
38:04to release details of his plan to carry out a mass school shooting.
38:09I understand the shock and horror that this news brings to parents, carers, school staff
38:15and the wider public.
38:17You've got to be thinking, what's the questions that the media are going to ask?
38:30But possibly more so in the 21st century, what narrative is going to be played out by those
38:38people who want to cause division and hatred?
38:42There was no racial, religious, political ideology, anything like that.
38:49Our assessment is it was purely on notoriety.
38:53He wanted to be known as the most horrific, significant school shooter and wanted to be
39:00the most notorious by killing the most amount of children.
39:02To be able to definitively say that the offender was a local Lutonian whose intention was to
39:11kill local people.
39:15You're always wanting to be able to second guess where the narrative is going to go and
39:20be able to answer those questions so that you can give the public as much information as
39:25you possibly can, as early as you can, but to do so in a way that doesn't cause additional
39:31harm.
39:32What can you tell us about the victims perhaps?
39:34Everything that we've gathered in relation to them demonstrates what lovely, fantastic
39:40people they were.
39:41Juliana, a doting mother of her children, did a lot of work for charity, a very keen runner.
39:48Kyle described it as a really cheeky, chappy, funny, popular with friends and doing very
39:55well at school and his sister Giselle, also very popular with an infectious smile.
40:00So the fact that anyone would want to harm them, let alone anyone that was part of their
40:05family, it's devastating.
40:21The family in this case, what an unbelievable family, what a dignified family, what a supportive
40:28and kind family and what a devastating impact this has had on them, of which you wouldn't
40:34wish on anyone.
40:35This emerged a man from Luton who pleaded guilty to the murder of his mother and two
40:45siblings was planning a school shooting.
40:50Officers discovered that Nicholas Prosper planned to commit a shooting at a local school.
40:55Morning.
40:56Are you from the press?
40:59OK.
41:00How are you doing?
41:01Not bad.
41:02Are you guys here all day?
41:03Yeah, we should be here.
41:04Most of the day.
41:05Most of the day.
41:06Most of the day, yeah.
41:07We are here to be fair, just to give some reassurance.
41:08Yeah, of course.
41:09Morning.
41:10Hello.
41:11Hello.
41:12Ready for school?
41:13There is currently no law against preparing a mass casualty attack in this country.
41:28A mass casualty attack that is not terrorism, just a desire to kill large numbers of people
41:35for no particular cause.
41:36This is a gap.
41:37It should be filled with a need.
41:38At times my emotional bucket has been full and how much more can I deal with here?
41:43Because it's affecting me outside of work, it's affecting my sleep pattern, my engagement with my family, my enjoyment of life and social events outside of work.
41:54My thinking first of all was that we didn't want to distort the meaning of terrorism.
41:58I think this is an isolated case, that being said, there will be others because this is not robbery, burglary, terrorism.
42:10This is something else, this is a new wave of criminality.
42:16He wanted to become notorious and the following morning he had planned to go to a small primary school.
42:23It looked at about three quarters of a mile from their home and carry out a mass shooting.
42:29For terrorism to be present, you need to have an ideology that's driving it under our current legislation.
42:39If your desire, your motivation is just self-serving, the desire to be notorious, it doesn't meet the threshold for terrorism currently.
42:50But it's still harmful.
42:54And it's still having an impact on communities and society.
43:07Your crimes involved the following.
43:10Very substantial premeditation.
43:13Three murders on the same occasion, but committed individually.
43:17Each victim was shot with an illegally held firearm.
43:23A consultant forensic psychiatrist, Dr. Ian Coyman, has produced a full report.
43:30Is it although you have not undergone a formal diagnosis, you have traits of autism spectrum disorder, ASD,
43:37albeit not to a severe degree, you are intellectually capable of logically deducing the impact of your actions on others.
43:46You told Dr. Coyman you had made the choice to commit mass murder and become posthumously famous.
43:55It was your preferred alternative to a menial 9 to 5 job for the rest of your life which you believed was your future.
44:02You made a series of choices to put your own desires above any consideration of the lives of many others.
44:11There is no suggestion that you didn't understand the law or that killing people is morally wrong.
44:17You just didn't care.
44:18You just didn't care.
44:20You have expressed pride in your crimes and the attention gained from them.
44:26Stand up.
44:30You intended to unleash disaster on the community of Luton.
44:44Your plans failed because your mother woke up and realised you had a gun and were determined to use it.
44:52This led to a horrific triple shotgun murder.
44:56I imposed concurrent sentences of custody for life with a minimum term calculated from 49 years.
45:05Finally, I repeat my observation that Juliana Falcon, Kyle Prosper and Giselle Prosper's deaths are almost certain to have saved the lives of many children.
45:17The community owes them its gratitude and their memory should be honoured.
45:33This horrific case has exposed a big loophole in the sale and exchange for firearms.
45:39I think we need a national database for gun license holders.
45:44I've written to the Home Secretary asking her to do that because one case of this kind is one too many.
46:14And support information for the issues raised can be found online at channel4.com slash support organizations.
46:35And the true crime continues next tonight here on Channel 4.
46:38It's the start of a brand new series highlighting the very real dangers of the modern digital world we live in.
46:44In social media monsters.
46:46The location building theva performance is almost quite moving in a good time in terms of the crime-like
47:07crime-like and where the hell is only the.
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