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00:00A 57-year-old man and a 32-year-old man
00:03was shot dead in two Cambridgeshire villages last night.
00:10Our victims look like they are family.
00:13The father and his son have both been murdered.
00:16There was a domestic-related court case.
00:18Police! Get your fucking hands up!
00:20Get your fucking hands up!
00:23What comfortable world where they were all family.
00:27Sam and Paul, they were both extremely annoyed
00:30about their outcome from that call.
00:32Police! Come to the door with nothing in your hand.
00:36Is that Sam out here?
00:38Yeah, well, I'm making the same complaint, Sam.
00:51It's crucial that we find the truth.
00:54Police! Police!
00:55Hands you on your back!
00:57I've got to question everything, believe nobody.
01:02It's almost a game of chess,
01:03trying to get him to slip up.
01:05This is your opportunity to talk to him.
01:0762-year-old Stephen Alderton is in custody on suspicion
01:22of the double murder of father and son, Gary and Joshua Dunmore.
01:25His daughter, Samantha, and her husband, Paul, were also arrested on the night of the shootings.
01:33I went to the holiday inn, got a statement.
01:36The manager there described them as a really nice family, all really happy.
01:41The last time they went into that room, on the 29th, was 15.53 hours.
01:48That's when they physically used their car to swipe into that room.
01:51So we've got them on CCTV, all four of them entering, so we don't actually think they came out of their room any time after that.
01:59Samantha's account is, she was shocked, had no idea what her dad had done.
02:07Yeah, and she feels now, her dad doing this, she said, I'll never forgive him, and I just don't understand why he's done this.
02:15I'm moving away from considering that this was a conspiracy to murder, and towards Alderton acting alone.
02:23This is your, um, bit paper that says no further action is being taken.
02:32Pretty much all the information we've gathered thus far suggests that they don't appear to have known what dad was planning.
02:39It appears to have hit them as much of a shock as anyone.
02:47You all good? Let me show you out.
02:53Cool. All right, see you in a little while, bud. Bye-bye.
03:08He wants to talk.
03:09Does he?
03:11Yeah, he's just called the custody staff down and goes,
03:14I know I went no comment last night, but I really want to explain myself, so please interview me again today.
03:23You've got to try and experience life as much as you can.
03:29Travelling just, um, gives you more experiences of how people live down in Texas.
03:38They have a particular approach that you sort of have to respect because, you know, in redneck country, they've got guns and things like that.
03:47It's not just a shoot and this is full-on execution.
03:53And, but not once, he's then had the composure to then drive on, off ten minutes to the next village and do it again.
04:00Mate, it's got weirder and weirder as the day has gone on.
04:04He was fine, totally cool, calm and collected, but he's getting himself more and more worked up.
04:09Burdened with guilt and desperate to unload.
04:12Desperate to unload something.
04:12Yeah, I might think.
04:14Well, that's what we wanted last night.
04:32We lost the car.
04:34Officers from Cambridgeshire's major crime unit analyse CCTV footage from the second murder scene.
04:41There is.
04:51He looks around.
05:00He goes towards the door.
05:08Hear the door knock?
05:10Hear the clucking noise like he's reloading and he's reloading.
05:20Obviously, you've spoken to your solicitor.
05:40Yeah.
05:40You're satisfied with the fact that you've had that ample time to speak.
05:44Yeah.
05:45Yeah.
05:46Yeah.
05:46Right.
05:53Tell me everything about what happened on the night of the 29th.
05:58No comment.
06:08No comment.
06:08When we start getting a no comment interview, the aim then is to explore anything that he
06:23could use in a defence.
06:25This was closing the doors to potential defences.
06:29Now, this is CCTV from The Row in Sutton.
06:36We'll go back.
06:58Sounds like a door knocker, and then a few seconds later...
07:06Did you hear them two bangs?
07:08Yes.
07:09What were they?
07:10No comment.
07:12Having watched the CCTV, how did that make you feel?
07:16No comment.
07:22You have no emotion whatsoever.
07:27I'm stunned.
07:28Because me just listening and watching that myself, it's chilling.
07:37Why do you not have any emotion?
07:40No comment.
07:45These were two executions.
07:49Joshua and Gary opened the door and got blown away.
07:54And then they got their heads taken off.
07:59If I'm wrong, this is your chance to tell me about that.
08:04No comment.
08:09We know there were four gunshots at Gary's house.
08:15We know from the bookshop spray that one has been fired into the staircase of the property.
08:24No comment.
08:25It appears to have been shot twice to the body, the chest, and once in the head.
08:35Would you agree that that shows an element of perseverance and intent?
08:41No comment.
08:44How many times would you have to load your shotgun for a double-barrelled over-under gun to be able to fire six shots?
08:53No comment.
08:56So it's loaded.
08:57Bang, bang.
08:59Empty your cartridges.
09:01Reload.
09:03Bang, bang.
09:05Break the shotgun.
09:06Empty the cartridges.
09:08Reload.
09:09Bang, bang, bang.
09:23with Stephen Alderton refusing to give an account officers speak to relatives to see if they can
09:33explain his state of mind before the shootings how the hell has it escalated to that point
09:39where something so horrific has happened I spoke to him on Saturday the 4th I checked
09:50hi Steve if you need a chat or just a break our door is always open right because she was
09:54updating us what was going on I'm having a having a beer I'll be carer guardian let Sam and co move
10:00over to America no problems I'd kill her sorry go back to that first message having a beer and I
10:08will be carer guardian okay which is that's the first I heard that the court case had gone I'm
10:17guessing the other way I don't know he didn't really say anything on that just describe the
10:21normal Stephen an old-school guy that would spend most of his life in the pub a very intelligent guy
10:31a chartered surveyor um always on the go you know he worked extremely hard local counsellor did you
10:40ever see him like lose his temper or no I don't know why you think if he has done it what's provoked
10:48him to do it I can't believe it's a tumble of stone
10:55his life was his wife yeah he's passed away now it took a lot out of him I don't think he ever got over it
11:04but that's typical he wouldn't he let it come out he wouldn't you know like showing emotion never no
11:18the court case was obviously going on you know and he was trying to do a lot with Sam I think
11:23he took a lot of it on himself okay I know he was paying for it he's always for want of a better
11:29expression babysat Sam okay um she's the only child we'd say he's paying for it all
11:39so if I talk in an intel hypothesis that potentially Yolanda was the sort of peacekeeper
11:46since Yolanda's death the issues with the Dunmore family certainly on the Alderton side is that they've
11:53just grown and grown and the hatred and ill feeling it's just become all encompassing around
12:00their whole relationship it's like they've been in a point with Josh for about 18 months constant
12:09court battles with him even going back to April 2022 he's funded everything he's funding all future
12:16court places June 2022 seems to be a bit of a turning point where a family meeting occurred
12:24which included a lot of extended family around uh Joshua and Samantha after that meeting Stephen was
12:32making comments around he's already spent 20 grand on these family court proceedings try and assist Sam
12:39um making comments like this is just going to go on forever that might be the beginning of his mindset
12:46is it that he had this big plan for Samantha to go to America and Josh is blocking that and he's getting
13:11frustrated and angry in himself that he's just removing the blocker
13:17Gary Dunmore he was very much fighting back against any kind of prospect of going to America
13:28Joshua was frightened anxious and scared of the thought he was going to lose
13:37his son and it was at that point that Gary and I said you know you're gonna have a fight and we will help you
13:51the family will help you support you
13:53he was a great dad and we loved him dearly every day was an adventure
14:09just doing everything together
14:13Joshua was single um for basically six seven years because he did want to be a good father
14:22um and be present like his dad was with Gary above all out it was family he was an amazing grandad
14:35and there he is on their bikes
14:46they were just a great team
14:57one of her messages back in june she does say the best outcome would be that he had an accident on his
15:24scaffolding so even right back in the beginning she's really yeah she's thinking the outcome would
15:31be better if he went around yeah but yeah okay most people probably think that about ex-partners
15:37yeah there's the things a fine line between your kind of standard rat in these circumstances that probably
15:43happen in most messy domestic situations yeah yeah going and pulling the pin yeah exactly i think there
15:48is a fine line but people do cross that line and i think we just need to be open-minded that it it could
15:55be either way you know it could be that they are completely innocent but it might not be
16:00in the heat of the moment people do say things that they don't necessarily mean
16:09you have to keep an open mind you have to be careful that you don't start deciding innocence or guilt
16:16straight away this is something that as a detective you are taught um you know to try and avoid that
16:23conscious or unconscious bias they were in a fade however the investigation is ongoing
16:53the judge had ruled that his son is to stay with him and he's not to go to america and he was so happy
17:04it like the the weight had just been gone it was just gone
17:09the emotional roller coaster had finally come to an end
17:13and i take comfort from that that he was and he um and i left him and i was you know i gave him a kiss love you
17:26as a mother your role is to protect your children and it's very difficult when someone
17:45you go all through your life with your family values and everything and what's right and what's wrong
17:52what's wrong to then just for him to take and do that to my child he's my child mine and he done that to my child
18:07and i and you're there to protect them
18:13and he just callously just did that to my son
18:23i feel he shot joshua for sam and shot gary for himself because gary was everything he wasn't
18:43see if we could piece together what he was doing where he was going what was his very
18:46mind in those hours leading up to him going to do it
18:52have you seen that footage where he drives by as gary's pulling into his drive
18:59yeah this is it then he comes back up here back up towards gary's house
19:06gary starts pulling in this way and this is where alderton is
19:10so he doesn't even kind of wait for him to reverse it and he kind of just goes straight around him
19:19i counted 12 times at the row alone and then i'll just go straight to blundish him then to stalk josh
19:28it almost harks back to his career being an engineer this was an analytical process
19:36he'd set out with a task and that was his intention
19:42stephen went out there to kill joshua and gary and he wasn't going to stop until he'd achieved his goal
19:50sometimes because you get so caught up in the investigation you forget that actually it's
19:58it's two normal human beings that are kind of at the heart of this
20:03like gary you know he's just come home from work he's faffing in his van like he drops a couple of
20:10things do you know i mean completely oblivious the fact that his killer has literally just driven past him
20:14in a couple of hours he's going to be shot dead it's just it's heartbreaking
20:23they had no idea what was going to happen
20:29even just watching cctv of josh
20:33hey how are you you know he appears to be such a loving father and it's just tragic it's ended this way
20:45come on people we're going to have to find you
20:56the time is now 15 57 and we are continuing with the interview
21:05do you think what you did on wednesday
21:10was justified
21:14a great comment
21:18how do you think your grandson's going to be affected by the death of his father and his other granddad
21:27talk to me about your grandson
21:31are you close to him
21:36yes
21:36he's lost his dad he's lost his paternal grandfather
21:48and it's looking like he's not going to see his maternal grandfather for quite some time
21:53don't
22:08when we talked about the offenses and the shooting there was little to no emotion shown
22:13No emotion showed.
22:17The only time was when we talked about the impact
22:20this had on his grandchildren.
22:22It was the only time there was a glimmer
22:26that he regretted what he'd done.
22:28For a long time, I was just sort of thinking I could convince people to come out of my life.
22:45I think, in reality, you can't.
22:48You feel obligated to do things that are not necessarily right.
22:55You're right.
23:06Steve, we've been on to CPS.
23:08Yes.
23:09And I'm sure it won't come as any surprise that they've authorised some charges
23:13in relation to the murders.
23:15Yeah.
23:16We go down to the custody desk now.
23:17Yeah.
23:18We'll go through that, go through the formalities.
23:20Yeah.
23:21And then we can bring you back in here.
23:23No, it's all got to be done.
23:25OK.
23:26Yeah, thanks.
23:27Go on downward.
23:28Yeah.
23:29Stephen, you're charged with the following offences.
23:41On the 29th of March, 2023, at Bluntisham in the county of Cambridgeshire, murdered Joshua Dunmore.
23:48Because of the serious nature of this offence, we will be looking to remind you here at the police station to go to court tomorrow morning.
24:03OK?
24:04Do you understand all that?
24:05Yeah.
24:06Yeah.
24:07Yeah.
24:08Yeah.
24:09It was adamant that it was a white Peugeot 206.
24:10A witness has come forward with information that suggests Stephen Alderton was not acting alone on the day of the murders.
24:27Then he says he drives in there, turns right, but he says it's the white Peugeot 306 parked here facing that way.
24:38So, he says he sees two people.
24:40First one's a white male, aged 50 to 60 years old.
24:44He was wearing a fleece-type jacket and he had a hat.
24:50Then he says he sees the female in the car, similar age to Sam.
24:55The female's described as white female, 25 to 35, slim build.
25:07With this new information, officers must further review all their suspects' movements in the lead-up to the murders.
25:14At CCTV, we focused on the kind of 24 hours leading up to the murder.
25:20Each time he is meeting with Paul and Sam, it's the 26th, 27th and 28th.
25:29On the 27th, he's having dinner with them.
25:32Also on the 27th that morning, he does meet with Paul alone for about 50 minutes.
25:39On the 28th, he sort of looks like they're having drinks and that with them.
25:42Some of the things that stood out for me, on the day, she has a 1 minute 50 conversation with her dad at 8.56.
25:55And then he attends the storage unit at 9.15.
25:59We have got CCTV from self-storage where we know he was keeping the gun with the ammunition.
26:05She then has a conversation with her solicitor and she instantly rings her dad afterwards.
26:13There's two other further phone calls.
26:15One's a 7 minute phone call and one's a 5 minute phone call.
26:18They're really long phone calls to have with her dad.
26:22And we'll never know what they said and whether they made plans,
26:26whether they were discussing things in that time, I don't know.
26:29Did she mention those in the same thing?
26:31I'm trying to wrap my bones to see whether she mentioned that
26:33because we did ask about contact on the 29th
26:35and I don't think she mentioned long phone calls with them.
26:38Later on in the day, she starts filling out a passport application for a child.
26:42She Googles where can you travel to without a passport,
26:47how to get an emergency travel passport.
26:50The morning of the 29th, she has Googled,
26:52if I have a court order stopping me from going out of the country,
26:55will immigration know?
26:57So I think they were planning on disappearing very quickly.
27:02Which is what Josh was worried about.
27:04If you looked here in a certain light,
27:08does it point towards this being pre-planned death?
27:10Yeah.
27:12You've got messages between Stephen and Sam saying,
27:16I'd settle for him going to hell.
27:19I'd love for him to disappear.
27:21He's a controlling madman.
27:23Yeah.
27:24And then, sort of the week before,
27:26Sam says to sit, I'm working on a relocation plan.
27:32I'm just going to have to weigh up pros and cons, yeah.
27:37Looking through Stephen's phone,
27:40he was instrumental in the custody battle.
27:43The conversations between him and Samantha were very detailed.
27:49But I think what was surprising was the level of animosity towards Joshua.
27:57We can't just assume that they were said in the heat of the moment
28:01or it was said but it wasn't meant because ultimately two people died.
28:07We need to be able to look into that to try and understand what did actually happen and who was involved.
28:13What I need to say to you is really important.
28:15Two persons have been murdered this evening.
28:17I'm arresting both of you.
28:18What you need to know is in the short term, we need to find a childcare solution.
28:24Is there anyone you can think of at all?
28:26Officers analysed Samantha Stephen's behaviour at the time of her arrest.
28:31Your dad's cousins in Bristol.
28:33OK.
28:35It's almost like she's trying not to say condense.
28:39Out of everything, that is the biggest red flag.
28:43It's still dry, it'll be on the A14 at this point.
28:48Yeah, it's on the A14.
28:59As the enquiries have progressed, this is a line of enquiry that we do need to look quite deeply at.
29:06I officially policyed the decision to reinstate them as suspects in this investigation.
29:13It's on the A14.
29:27With suspicions around the involvement of Stephen Olderton's daughter and her husband growing,
29:32officers decide to re-arrest them both for conspiracy to murder.
29:36Now, don't get me wrong, if they get charged and convicted of this, then chances are they will have the children taken off them.
29:44But that's for the welfare of the children, isn't it?
29:46To me, questions need to be asked around these messages.
29:58It's not a decision that I take lightly.
30:01I'm aware, obviously, that she is a mother.
30:06And I'm very aware of the impact this is going to have on the children.
30:10But ultimately, two people are dead.
30:14And on the face of it, Samantha is the only one who would gain anything out of this.
30:19We're just going to guide you through the rooms now, and then you guys can do your own thing.
30:26We're just going to be in support if you guys think we're going to be right here with y'all.
30:29There we go.
30:45Paul, I'll come check with you.
30:47Hello. Hello, can we come in?
30:49Hi. Hi, Paul.
30:50I'm really sorry to disturb.
30:52Take some deep breaths, Sam. It's OK. We're not in a rush.
30:54We're not in a rush.
30:55You are under arrest and suspicions.
30:57Conspiracy to murder Josh and Gary Goodmore on the 29th of March.
31:03The police officers at the station will talk to you in detail about why you've been arrested again.
31:15So, they're in custody at the moment.
31:17We're waiting for solicitors to turn up.
31:20There's been a lot of planning going on for these interviews.
31:24Paul's distraught is emotionally all over the place.
31:27Yeah.
31:31A cynical view might be the relief of being NFA'd and then they're being re-arrested.
31:39You know, the seriousness might have dawned and...
31:43Shit, you know, actually, they're not just going to let this go.
31:49Bullshit, they've got more information.
31:51Your solicitors introduce themselves to show you some extracts from the body-worn footage of your arrest and the arrest of Samantha at the Holiday Inn.
32:13What we need to do, and what I need you to think clearly about, is a family member that you trust the children going to.
32:20I think that's cousins in Bristol.
32:22OK.
32:23Bear in mind, Stephen does all this childcare for you.
32:31Surely he should have been top of the list.
32:34I'd like you to put into context some of the messages that we've found from yourself and Samantha.
32:44On the 7th of July 2022, Sam replies to you, you may turn up at the same time as Josh.
32:57Run him over if you can, lol.
33:00I, Paul Stephen, deny taking part in any planning or assistance of the murder of Joshua and Gary Dunmore.
33:09At no point did I want any harm, whether serious or otherwise, to come to either Joshua or Gary.
33:15I did not have any conversations with Stephen Alderson about any plan or idea to hurt or kill Joshua or Gary Dunmore at any time.
33:24On the 28th of July 2022, Sam sent Stephen a message.
33:34He's managed to work it.
33:36He's working on shooting cans.
33:41He's going to play sniper from the balcony window when Josh picks up.
33:45Can we pause the interview, please?
33:48The time is 20.49 and we are pausing the interview.
33:53It's all no comments at the moment, but, yeah, it's a bit frosty.
34:03His body language is interesting, but...
34:06What is it, what, just nonchalant or...?
34:09Yeah, just lost.
34:11And, sort of, the more we've, the more we've gone through, sort of, messages and that,
34:16the more he's, sort of, slumped into his seat and being a bit...
34:19Defeated?
34:21The only question he answered before the sister could jump in and remind him not to say anything was,
34:27were you involved in planning the murder?
34:29He was like, no.
34:31And that is it.
34:33What's the difference?
34:34In relation to Sam and dad, messages from the 25th of the 5th last year,
34:43he's talking about selling his property and giving Sam 150 grand of profit from that sale.
34:48And then talking about him being in South America.
34:51I'll do a quick return flight to Panama, see if I can get set up a rental.
34:55Return to the UK.
34:57Leater with the Dunwars to establish if contact with rent can be agreed.
35:01If not, dot, dot, dot, dot, dot.
35:03It'll be Independence Day.
35:05It makes no difference.
35:07If I can flee, I'll be holding hands up and be forward with prison life.
35:13And important, all of this is deleted.
35:15And dad says, I'm sure it won't be long before I end the stiastco.
35:19Dan replies, plus, there's only 11 months to go, but no point.
35:24And dad says, and it will end.
35:29Significantly, she talks about the address
35:32and, you know, confirms that Gary, Josh's dad, is living at this address.
35:49On the 24th of the 11th, that is a picture of Josh's phone door.
36:03So we've got these pictures as well.
36:05It confirms that they're just as being...
36:07Yeah, sure.
36:08Going to start with the, um, messages.
36:14We want to talk to you about messages that you've found
36:17on your father's phone
36:19that are between you and your father.
36:23Have you confirmed to your dad in any way
36:26where Gary or Josh lived?
36:31Your father says, I'm sure it won't be long before I end this fiasco.
36:36Your reply is, plus, there's only 11 months to go, so no point.
36:42And his reply to that is, and it will end.
36:45That 11 months is pretty much up to the date when the shooting happened.
36:51It's strange that you don't say to him, what do you mean?
36:54Not long to go before I end this fiasco.
36:57So it sounds to me, or looks to me, like you know what he's talking about.
37:00He goes on to say, meeting with Dunmores to establish if contact arrangements can be agreed.
37:09If not, it will be Independence Day.
37:13It sounds to me like a year before these murders, you and your father are already planning what's going to happen if things don't go your way.
37:31To be fair, what we anticipated happening is what happened, which was a no comment.
37:49They were given messages, there was web searches, there was images from device downloads, and there was CCTV.
37:57It was no comment, however, she indicated quite a lot through the interview that she wanted to speak, but was given the advice to keep quiet.
38:07She would ask to speak to a solicitor, but it looked like she was going to talk to us when we came back in, and she went into the no comment mode.
38:15The messages on his phone were quite damning, but what we haven't found is a response from Samantha.
38:23So, obviously, trying to prove what's in her mind without having any phone evidence.
38:30We've got a lot of little bits of information that we need to piece together and present that to CPS.
38:39I just found something on the wannabe download.
38:44I've got it roughly here, yeah.
38:46So all it matters is here, isn't it?
38:48Police are reviewing Samantha's phone data to see if they can establish her true whereabouts at the time a witness claims she might have been with her father outside the first murder scene.
39:03So this is obviously her in the hotel room, and we've got a timestamp. Can you see that? 1552?
39:09Well, the car was seen really in close.
39:12So on that TV, I don't know what his TV programme is.
39:15That's Peter Rabbit.
39:16If that's live TV? Yeah.
39:18Then, you know, that could essentially put her in there.
39:20We've got a clothing, which we can look at the CCTV, see if that's the same.
39:23Yeah, we can go back over that, can't we? Yeah.
39:29I checked against the CCTV that we have when they enter the hotel at 1549,
39:35and the outfit is the same, so with the black leggings and then the pink top that she's wearing in the room at the time.
39:40The programme's scheduled to start at 1540.
39:43Yeah.
39:44And the image is taken at 1551.
39:48Charlie's then watched CBB's.
39:50We've got the exact frame here as well, so that's the, uh, they're still taken out the corner of the photo from the phone download.
39:56This frame was shown on the TV at 1551.30 at the same time the photo was there.
40:01Yeah.
40:02We've spoken to the hotel.
40:03They don't have DVD players or any additional sort of, um, apps in that room.
40:09So it, they only offer free view.
40:15I think that's, that categorically proves that could not have been her and she was in that room.
40:24All finished off with a prepared statement, which was along the lines of,
40:29I'm not guilty of the offences, alleged, have nothing to do with the murders.
40:35We have messages which suggest there may have been a conspiracy.
40:46But having suspicion and having sufficient evidence to charge are two different things.
40:52Knowing that something is going to happen,
40:55it's not sufficient to prove that there was actual agreement to murder Joshua and Gary.
41:05The bottom line as to why they're not, um, running with it.
41:18Everything is him and she's not responding to it.
41:21Yeah.
41:22Yeah.
41:23And not responding is not conspiracy.
41:25Yeah.
41:26Exactly.
41:27Yeah.
41:28Yeah.
41:38Awaiting trial in prison, Stephen Alderton has written a letter to the judge,
41:43which has been shared with officers.
41:46Given a bit of a history of his wife being poorly
41:50and having to look after her full time,
41:53and the toll that's taken,
41:55he said he turns to alcohol to deal with that.
42:01It culminates in him having a massive breakdown
42:03and that on the morning of the murders,
42:05he woke up and was a different person.
42:09So it sounds like he's essentially mitigating what he's done
42:11by saying he's had some sort of mental breakdown.
42:13But we don't have any evidence of that in his medical records
42:16or from anyone else that was close to him.
42:21I don't think we will ever truly understand what made Stephen Alderton
42:27commit the crimes that he did.
42:30But there were other messages that he'd sent to other family members as well.
42:35So we can show he has been having these kinds of thoughts for quite a long time.
43:05His demeanour was exactly the same as previously.
43:12No outward signs of remorse.
43:15Not even an ounce.
43:17There was no emotion.
43:35You try not to take your work home with you.
43:39But this case has been particularly difficult
43:46because of the sheer brutality of it in the first place.
43:52The fact that there is absolutely no sense to what has happened.
43:58And there's a child, you know, at the centre of this.
44:01And the absolute devastation that this has caused.
44:31We just remember them.
44:32Fun living.
44:34Try to remember all the good about them.
44:37They make me laugh.
44:39Yeah.
44:41That's it.
44:44The night that I got a phone call
44:47saying Gary and Josh
44:50was dead.
44:52Killed.
44:54Murdered.
44:56It was the worst day of my life.
44:58They just loved their kids.
45:01They died because they cared.
45:04What gives that man right?
45:08Just because he wasn't getting his own way.
45:11To go and murder two people.
45:13It came apparent to me,
45:16with regards to my grandson,
45:19that when Joshua was killed,
45:22all what he fought for and what he did went with him.
45:27So, I was going to fight for my grandson.
45:32And I had to do it for Joshua.
45:36I'm very protective, obviously.
45:49Doesn't get hold of much.
45:52So, yeah.
45:56It's lost so much.
46:01But I just want him to know
46:10what a good daddy and granddad have he had.
46:14Well done.
46:20To get yourself up every day.
46:22Before he came to me,
46:25he was...
46:27You could wake up with pain.
46:29You go to bed with pain.
46:31He's always with you.
46:32He's never gone.
46:34And...
46:36But...
46:38I've got my ray of sunshine.
46:40And he is a ray of sunshine.
46:41Support information for the themes raised tonight can be found online at channel4.com slash support.
46:56Seemingly innocent occasions with a cruel hidden agenda.
46:59The biggest scandal in the Church of England's history is exposed tomorrow night at nine
47:03in the start of our documentary, See No Evil.
47:06Next tonight, it's a little bit of stand up to canter.
47:08It's a cancer.
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