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00:00Down this road, on a summer day in 1944, the soldiers came.
00:21Nobody lives here now.
00:30They stayed only a few hours.
00:33When they had gone, a community which had lived for a thousand years was dead.
00:42This is Avedour-sur-Glane in France.
00:48The day the soldiers came, the people were gathered together.
00:53The men were taken to garages and barns.
00:57The women and children were led down this road.
01:02And they were driven into this church.
01:07Here, they heard the firing as their men were shot.
01:13Then they were killed too.
01:17A few weeks later, many of those who had done the killing were themselves dead in battle.
01:25They never rebuilt Avedour.
01:32Its ruins are a memorial.
01:36Its martyrdom stands for thousand upon thousand of other martyrdoms in Poland, in Russia, in Burma, China, in a world at war.
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05:29It's very funny, a battlefield.
05:57The other day I was watching a duck shoot.
06:00The actual area extended to about four square miles, of which a fifth was in action.
06:05All the rest was waiting.
06:07And a battlefield is like that.
06:09It's extraordinary how inanimate the whole thing seems.
06:11There's a little bit of an action going on in the right-hand corner of some sort.
06:15For the rest, there are people lying about, smoking.
06:19And waiting.
06:20And sleeping.
06:22And waiting.
06:25It's one of the very singular things that films and books don't bring out, I think Tolstoy
06:34perhaps is the exception, of a battlefield where nothing seems to be happening.
06:39The action is always over a hedge somewhere in another corner, and it's a decisive thing.
06:44And then they asked you if you were there, but you weren't.
06:48Paris, June 1940.
06:53They were there all right.
07:02But for these soldiers, no parade, no triumph.
07:08Not the way we're used to seeing it on the newsreels.
07:19Or rather quiet, really.
07:22Nothing much to write home about.
07:25Or perhaps this actually was the scene that would stay with them.
07:30The moment the soldiers would always remember.
07:34looking back, you know, it's even 28 years now, I can hear it, and I can see it.
07:54I can smell it, and I think anybody who was there must have exactly the same impression, that, you know, it is something that they will always remember.
08:08There's much soldiers don't want to forget.
08:24At Mainz in West Germany, veterans of the Deutsches Afrika Korps meet, as they do every couple of years, to relive the past.
08:34There are wives and camp followers, and guests from Australia, from Britain, from Italy, old comrades, old enemies, old memories, and plenty of beer.
08:50It's a funny thing about, uh, Marines, or maybe a funny thing about the fighting men of all kind, their minds have a tendency to cloud out all of the unhappy things, and you think only of the happy things.
09:02When I'm with other Marines, and we talk about the war, we talk about some of the funny things that happened to us, we never really, uh, dwell on the unhappy ones.
09:11And I think that would be true of fighting men all over the world.
09:14I think one of the things about being an attack battalion was that you lived completely with your crew of your tank and completely with your troop.
09:34And so, at night, for example, when one came in to Lager, one would dig a hole and drive the tank over it, and you ate, slept, and did everything with your crew, so that one got enormously fond of them, and one got to know each other extremely well.
09:51You knew they were making the right decisions, and you just drove on, apart from the fact you were age 19, and you were young and deaf, and you were going anywhere.
10:00We didn't really find time to have the sort of conversation that we might have now, sitting here.
10:07I certainly never remember discussing, well, the outcome of the war, or whether the Germans were right, or we were right, or anything like that at all.
10:18I mean, it was just, um, it was just day-to-day, honest goodness, living together, and very pleasant words.
10:48I mean, it was just day-to-day, honest goodness, living together, and very pleasant words, and very pleasant words, and very pleasant words, and very pleasant words.
11:18We had a chap who was an experienced butcher, as the co-driver, and he always arranged that there should be two jerry cans of water, right behind where the exhaust pipes came out, where they'd be constantly more or less on the boil.
11:42And if it seemed to be in the middle of a battle, however, whatever was happening, and he spied a pig, he would leap out, unscrew the soft and great hammer you have for breaking the tracks, and rush off, bash this pig on the head, drag it back, bring it in through the side pannier door,
11:59and get hold of his two cans of water, and light up the stove, and boil the water, and scrape the pig, and we'd all have the most delicious pork chops any time, day or night.
12:12And we lived very well, and it was partly the sort of scavenging of the crews, and the finding of the wine, and the jam, and the eggs, and all the other things,
12:22Tom, I bet you know about, which helped make the comradeship, one of the things that made it such fun.
12:32Fun, and fear.
12:33I don't think I was right, and I was scared.
12:41You know, when you're scared, you know you're more alert, you know.
12:44It's like, well, you're playing a game with somebody, you're going to go through the woods, you've got a gun, and he's got a gun, and who's going to shoot first?
12:50I guess it's sort of like a duel, you know, who's going to turn around and pull the trigger first?
12:55Fear, and fun.
13:12Moments even of beauty.
13:13Well, I speak of the lust of the eye, a biblical phrase, because much of the appeal of battle is simply this attraction of the outlandish, the strange.
13:33But there is, of course, an element of beauty in this.
13:37And I must say that this is surely, from ancient times, one of the most enduring appeals of battle.
13:56One could be drawn into, absorbed by the spectacle, I think, especially of southern France, the terrific bombardment of our planes.
14:07Coming over the southern coast of France, I literally expected the coast to detach itself and go into the ocean.
14:16But to watch this was to forget that you had to, when it stopped, you had to get into landing boats and make off for the shore.
14:28It was just a dawn, a terrific spectacle, in which I think everybody, including, of course, myself, was drawn into it.
14:38We forgot all about ourselves.
14:40We forgot all about ourselves.
14:41We forgot all about ourselves.
14:42We forgot all about ourselves.
14:47We forgot all about ourselves.
14:59The city falls. In an hour, a soldier, senses quickened, time speeded up, might kill and make love and face death again.
15:10One room had a piano in it, and I was sitting at the piano playing with one finger. This British soldier, a real, I mean, you couldn't have made a better cartoon of a typical British infantryman. He was grimy, he was dirty. He had his helmet on, he had his infield rifle, he had grenades festooned on him.
15:31And he had this young, 15-year-old Italian chick with him, who was a very buxom young lass, who did not look inexperienced in spite of her age. And he nodded very politely to me, and then ignored me totally, and went to a cupboard over in the corner and found some nice lace table nappery, whatever.
15:58He found a doily, which he placed on the floor. He was very delicate, because the room was full of plaster dust. And proceeded to cohabit with this girl on the doily.
16:11It was very delicate of him, you know. And meanwhile, I'm sitting there pecking out a tune on the piano, watching. The whole thing was a weird scene.
16:19And I felt, would it be better if I left? And then I felt, well, no, it would be too, I was trying to do the polite thing. I was trying to, they never, in a sense, gave me a chance to leave, really.
16:32And so, they left. The girl smiled over her shoulder at me. The soldier said, so long, yank, or something like that. Went back out and back to battle.
16:47It was a weird sort of, probably in many ways, the weirdest and strangest and most sort of dream-like thing I can remember out of the whole war, this little episode, which lasted all of about five minutes.
16:59Good to remember the good days.
17:14The soldiers were welcome. Everyone was happy. The wine was red.
17:25Winfurt Vaughan Thomas remembers the liberation of the Burgundy vineyards.
17:29Well, of course, there came a moment when the French army paused for a moment, and the Americans couldn't quite understand it.
17:36They were up in the mountains, and I remember dear General Patch saying to me, he said, Mr. Thomas, he said, you know, a little bit more about the French.
17:41Why aren't they advancing? They're at this place, Chalons, or something.
17:44So, I looked at the map. It was Chalons-sur-Seau, in the beginning of the Burgundy vineyard country.
17:49I go across, and there, very rightly, there was Delat, the Tassini, Montsabert, and their staff looking at the problem.
17:56They had L'Arma, L'Atlas, Vinicol de la France in front of them, and they were studying it, because it would be tragic if they fought through Beaune, and Louis Saint-Georges, and the great vineyards of Burgundy.
18:09They never, France would never forgive them, and they were paused, and suddenly a young student took the ride and said, courage, my generals, I found the weak spot of the German defences.
18:20Every one is on a vineyard of inferior quality.
18:24Delat made his decision, j'attac, and for three days, we fought our way through the cellars, and on the third day, I emerged, bewildered, looking towards Dijon, and I realised we liberated Burgundy.
18:37A poet saw beneath the skin, vergiss me nicht, forget me not.
18:54Three weeks gone, and the combatants gone, returning over the nightmare ground, we found the place again, and found the soldiers sprawling in the sun.
19:03The frowning barrel of his gun, overshadowing, as we came on that day, he hit my tank with one like the entry of a demon.
19:15Look, here in the gun pit spoiled the dishonoured picture of his girl, who has put Steffi, vergiss me nicht, in a copybook Gothic script.
19:26We see him, almost with content abased, and seeming to have paid, and mocked at, by his own equipment that's hard and good, when he's decayed.
19:39But she would weep to see today, how on his skin the swart flies move, the dust upon the paper eye, and the burst stomach like a cave.
19:51For here the lover and killer are mingled, who had one body and one heart, and death, who had the soldier singled, has done the lover mortal hurt.
20:03Remember the war poet, Keith Douglas, killed in Normandy in 1944.
20:19Away from the front, beyond the battle, the soldiers came and went as strangers.
20:24After a few weeks in the line, I got away one afternoon and climbed up into the Apennines, and met the old hermit.
20:37We sat down and began to talk, and of course the artillery in the valley below opened up,
20:43and he began to ask me questions about the war, and I gradually became aware that he didn't know what was going on.
20:50My attempts to explain what was going on faltered, not only because of my rather poor Italian,
21:00but because I suddenly realized that I couldn't possibly explain to him
21:05why Americans, Britishers, were fighting in Italy against Germans, with Italians on both sides.
21:15It seemed an impossible task.
21:18Even had he been speaking my own language, I wouldn't have been able to tell him what the war was about.
21:26And because I didn't really know myself in any deeper sense what the war was about.
21:32In a sense, the people I fought with in the war were, in my view, all heroes,
21:46in the sense that they were tremendous believers in what we were trying to do.
21:52There was an amazing spirit of dedication to the task in hand.
21:57This was very moving, and a tremendous inspiration.
22:02Whose idea it was, of course you can never trace, but it was a sort of infection.
22:08And this applied to people who came from all over the world,
22:10and Bomber Command was an extraordinarily cosmopolitan sort of command.
22:15I think by the time I was in it, about 40% of it came from overseas,
22:20mostly from New Zealand, Australia, Canada, but also from many other countries,
22:26and not all by any means British.
22:28I mean, there were lots of Czechs and Poles serving in Bomber Command.
22:32And the spirit of dedication was, as I say, moving,
22:36but where it really came from is something I've never understood.
22:40It was the task in hand inspired the idea.
22:42And in that sense, I think this was a heroic idea.
22:44It's just now and again the nightmare in the night, you know,
22:56where you just remember somebody who you've turned around on the deck of a destroyer,
23:01and next minute he wasn't there.
23:04You know, he'd gone, swept away.
23:06The task was bad enough at any time,
23:16but particularly perhaps in the last two months of the war.
23:19There were men there, you'd been with them for five years.
23:22They were not just colleagues.
23:24They were close friends.
23:25You knew their family all about them.
23:27And you saw them getting knocked off in the last few days of the war.
23:29It was particularly sad at that time.
23:36I am commanded by the Air Council to state that in view of the lapse of time
23:51and the absence of any further news regarding your husband,
23:56acting squadron leader, THD Drinkwater DFC,
24:00since the date on which he was reported missing,
24:02they must regretfully conclude that he has lost his life
24:07and his death has now been presumed for official purposes
24:11to have occurred on the 18th of May, 1944.
24:16I don't think any of us were, you know, patriotic men in the sense
24:28that we would stand rigidly to attention and wave flags.
24:35We were just glad to be alive,
24:37and in some way, you know, we were rather proud
24:41that this kind of army we'd been in for so long,
24:44which had done so many daft things
24:46and where we'd been bellowed at and shouted at
24:49and generally mucked around
24:53and spent thousands of hours on exercises
24:55and standing about in the rain and the mud and the snow,
24:59had finally managed to bring off
25:01what, when you look at it in fairly cold light,
25:06was a pretty big adventure.
25:07When I was young, I couldn't understand
25:29why people would want to go to Centafs' ceremonies.
25:31I go now, and I'm proud to go,
25:34but I remember the people who didn't come back,
25:37and out of it comes this terrible feeling in my mind
25:40of waste and yet of proud comradeship.
25:43You're lying in a trench,
25:59and the shells come down,
26:01you're frightened to death,
26:02and the chap next door to you said,
26:04have a cigarette, mate, it'll go.
26:06It's like rain.
26:08And suddenly you realise he's a better man.
26:09He's given you strength to go on,
26:11and somehow that is what you remember out of the war.
26:14It's the comradeship.
26:15Remember the comradeship,
26:43and remember the suffering.
26:44Another road.
26:50Another village.
26:52Same orders.
26:59Soldiers.
27:01Some seeing, not feeling.
27:04Others enjoying their work.
27:06Well, I think it's one of the melancholy aspects of human nature.
27:19You'll notice it with boys who love to break windows to hear the glass tinkle.
27:24But there are a great many soldiers who take a great pleasure in destroying people and wasting things.
27:37I find this aspect of human nature not discussed enough,
27:52but it is surely one of the causes of warfare.
27:55Remember the dead.
28:09Remember the dead.
28:23In the second world she started, Germany lost nearly five million dead.
28:30Two and a half million were killed in action.
28:34One and a half million died in Russian prison camps.
28:37Half a million German civilians died in Allied bombing raids.
28:41Another half million at the war's end.
28:45Remember the dead and the scarred survivors.
28:50The effect of war on people who take part in it is, of course, extremely various.
29:02I mean, lots of people are maimed completely, either mentally or physically.
29:07But I suppose the majority of those who survive, survive apparently intact, but there must be marked effects.
29:14And I think in some ways the effects are very good on people because they feel that to a certain extent they've been able to fulfill themselves.
29:21And I think a lot of people go right through life without ever feeling a sense of fulfillment.
29:26But those who take part in hectic war operations usually get a sense of fulfillment to some extent,
29:33especially if they believe in what they're trying to do, which I think in war people tend to do very readily.
29:38On the other hand, I think there are very bad effects, obvious bad effects.
29:45Perhaps one of the less obvious ones is that people who undertake these operations, I think, have a tendency to feel afterwards
29:53that society owes them something very special.
29:56And when the war's over, they tend to go home or go back to wherever they came from
30:01and expect people to look up to them and to look after them, which is not what people are going to do at all,
30:06nor is it even what people ought to do.
30:17Remember the mud?
30:20You get used to it, of course.
30:22You get used to anything.
30:28Easily hardened to other's suffering.
30:32It's a curious thing, you could almost equate it to television today
30:36and what it's done to us in many ways.
30:38The realities of the situation, people are still wanting to sweep under the carpet.
30:43I mean, I turn around to my kids doing the Napao bombing in Vietnam and I say,
30:47Just don't sit there.
30:49You know, that is a real child, that burning torch running across a field.
30:53But it means nothing to them.
30:57And that is a real man scrambling for a potato, soon to starve to death.
31:02We have to go back to the Napao.
31:17Remember the dead.
31:20In the Second World War, two and a half million Japanese died.
31:24Among them, half a million civilians.
31:25Japanese fighting men fought to the death
31:32Nearly 20 Japanese soldiers were killed
31:35For every one wounded or maimed
31:38We had this orthopod from
31:42Orthopedic surgeon from Baltimore
31:46He gave me the definition
31:50And I've used all these many years
31:52Of sympathy for the disability
31:55And he said, son, you know where you find sympathy?
31:59He said, you find it in the dictionary
32:00Between shit and syphilis
32:02And I've remembered that all these many years
32:17Remember the civilians who got in the way
32:20You could miss seeing them from Obama
32:23But on the ground, the soldiers knew
32:27One of the things that seemed to me to cause most guilt
32:35In World War II was this failure to discriminate
32:38Between combatants and non-combatants
32:41I felt even then, as many other soldiers did
32:46That we were guilty of indiscriminate terroristic bombing
32:51Many soldiers had to kill innocent women and children
32:57Non-combatants
32:58In this sense, there is such a thing as collective guilt
33:07In so far as this decision was made at the highest levels
33:11And approved by many people
33:14Both soldiers and civilians
33:17Remember the dead
33:29In the Second World War, America was not invaded
33:33Or even bombed
33:34But the United States lost 300,000 fighting men
33:39Killed in action
33:40Far from home
33:42Well, what I found when I came home
33:48And I've been rather disgusted with myself ever since
33:50Was that
33:52The readjustment to their kind of life
33:58The life that I led before myself
34:01Was virtually impossible
34:04Because however much you hate being in a war
34:08The things that you come back to
34:10Seem very, very trivial
34:12Reporting the local council
34:14Talking about a new jet slavery
34:15And things like this
34:16Don't seem to matter at all
34:18And of course all these things matter
34:21To the people around you
34:22And I shut up
34:23I shut myself in
34:25For about a year
34:26I must have behaved extremely badly
34:28I'm well aware of it
34:29And I've never forgotten it
34:31And never ceased to feel sorry for it
34:33Because I think it must have made life
34:35Pretty intolerable for people around me
34:37But it was just that I couldn't
34:39I couldn't communicate
34:41I'd lost my sense of communication
34:44With people that I'd known
34:46For all those years
34:47Because I'd begun to understand
34:53An entirely new breed of people
34:56Who were all thrown together
34:58In a common thing
35:02I think that was it
35:03More roads to more villages
35:09More orders to obey
35:12Corporal, take two men
35:19And clear the village
35:20Leave the men behind for now
35:23Move the women and children
35:27Corporal
35:29Hurry the goodbyes up with you
35:32Get there
35:35Come here
35:37Eyesicio
35:38Move on
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35:41Your
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35:43Move the
35:43How
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35:58I think it has taught me all the rest of my life
36:24that there is a line which a man dare not cross,
36:29a line which separates the reasonably just and human
36:35from the mere functionary.
36:54The corporal and the soldiers have wives and children too.
37:11Remember the Russian dead.
37:31In the Second World War, the Soviet Union, already bled by Stalin's terror, lost 20 million dead.
37:39Millions in action on Russian soil.
37:42The bloody defeats of 41 and 42.
37:45The bloody victories of 43 and 45.
37:52And millions of prisoners of war died in German hands deprived of food, clothing, shelter.
37:58For these prisoners, no escape.
38:02About a million were shot.
38:05And millions of Russian civilians died from shooting, bombing, shelling, forced winter marches, engineered starvation,
38:1420th century total war.
38:17Remember the Russian dead, the 20 million.
38:38Remember the Russian dead, the 20 million.
38:53Soldiers, remember the dead.
38:57Remember all the others.
39:0015 million Chinese died in the Second World War, most from starvation.
39:09And in occupied Europe, more than a million and a half Yugoslavs died for a country that never stopped fighting.
39:16And three million Poles, and more than five million Jews.
39:21And over half a million Frenchmen and women, many in the resistance.
39:26And brave men and women in Norway, and Holland, and Denmark, and Belgium.
39:32And hundreds of thousands in Czechoslovakia, Romania, Bulgaria, Hungary, and over 300,000 Greeks.
39:41And half a million Italians in a country that was fought over and fought on both sides.
39:47And Spaniards in Russia, and Indians in Burma.
39:52Remember them all.
39:5455 million dead.
40:02I did not know death had undone so many.
40:10Mothers and daughters.
40:12Fathers and sons.
40:14Fathers and sons.
40:26Fathers and sons.
40:28Fathers and sons.
40:34Fathers and sons.
40:38Who are you?
40:40the young are too young to remember perhaps too young to understand
40:50I think one of the great effects of war upon people who take part in it is the extent to
40:59which it tends to cut them off from both their elders and their own children and the same thing
41:07applies in a different way as between a father and a son I mean I feel this myself in my own
41:13relationship with my parents at the time of the war and with my children today that in a sense
41:20they neither can nor wish to envisage the circumstances in which we lived in the war
41:25and we have a rather arrogant sort of feeling that they ought to wish to understand these dreadful
41:31things that happened to us but they don't and this cuts one off both from the older and the
41:37younger generation I think people are in any case cut off from these generations there is a generation
41:42gap under any circumstances but I think war as in so many other aspects of life tends to
41:48emphasize those sort of considerations and very much so in creating and nourishing a generation gap
41:55here on this ground Adolf Hitler spoke to the National Socialist Party
42:19and to the German nation 40 years ago
42:2640 years on West Germany's chancellor twice elected by popular vote is Willy Brandt
42:37Brandt was a traitor to Hitler's Germany he fought in the Norwegian resistance
42:44in Warsaw as in Jerusalem he remembers the dead
42:52of all Germans alive today half were not born when the second world war began
43:05well we have all sorts of things to remember and by really we've got one here from Buckingham Palace
43:16the Queen and I offer you our heartfelt sympathy in your great sorrow we pray that your country's
43:25gratitude for a life so nobly given in its service may bring you some measure of consolation
43:321939 45 E Bickersted Jake Curtis E Fraser L Humphrey G Nixon A Schofield L Chandler A Flower
44:009, 1960 277,
44:08291 271,
44:21301 272,
44:57They were very young.
45:14They did not ask to die as heroes.
45:20They would rather have lived for those that loved them,
45:25those they loved.
45:27They would rather have lived for those that loved them.
45:28There were many patients that took shot.
45:30They would rather have lived for those that loved them.
45:32...
45:38They also have lived for them and loved a lo determination,
45:40in just a couple of days.
45:41...
45:43Then they would rather have lived for those that loved them,
45:45when they were at home.
45:47They were five years later.
45:49They were quite the same,
45:50and because of the reviews of them,
45:51they didn't miss any other Assimis.
45:53and this was the last letter he ever wrote to his wife
46:01darling let me tell you again i love you this past weekend has made me so pleased
46:08that you are my wife because i am so in love with you and i know i shall love you for the rest of my
46:16life and darling thank you for loving me my sweet i am sure you have got something belonging to me
46:25because i am always so happy when i'm with you but as soon as we are apart i just go as flat as can be
46:34i'm like a man with no brain but only a memory for you
46:40oh darling it is terrible please don't think i'm sloppy or stupid though i may be but i just can't
46:51get over it perhaps i'm a bit tired tonight and after a night's rest i shall be better and able
47:00to write you a nice letter anyway i'll see i'm afraid darling my operational flying days are
47:09nearly over the wing commander has told me twice already this evening that i can't go on so many
47:17shows in future and he is very concerned about it he said out of fairness to you and your wife
47:26i don't intend for you to stay on ops much longer even if you want to you see there was something in
47:36what i said but hell i'm going to miss this life i have had over three years of it and the trouble is
47:44now i know nothing else
47:47my sweet i must off to bed now i can hardly see what i'm writing
47:55i love you my own precious darling more than anything else in this world
48:01yours forever tom
48:05more than NIB
48:08more than anything else in this world
48:10mine
48:13mine
48:15me
48:16me
48:21mine
48:23mine
48:32At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than
48:58six hundred men, women, and children.
49:06Remember.
49:28At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than
49:54seven hundred men, women, and children.
50:01At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than
50:08seven hundred men, women, and children.
50:13At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than
50:19seven hundred men, women, and children.
50:26At the village of Oradour-sur-Glane, the day the soldiers came, they killed more than
50:34seven hundred men, women, and children.
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