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Twisted Sisters: Madness & Manslaughter - Season 1 Episode 2
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00:003-3, go ahead.
00:07They are now all on the hard shoulder on the northbound.
00:10The collision itself took place in lane 3 at the southbound.
00:15So they were trying to get back across the carriage where they've been struck.
00:21I'm not a doctor. She has been knocked down by...
00:22Is she the one that speaks English, or the other one?
00:24Yes. The other one, she's gonna run...
00:26Oh, no! Shit!
00:30Oh, Jesus!
00:32Swedish twins Sabina and Ursula Eriksson were causing mayhem on the motorway.
00:37Can you even see all my organs, you pet?
00:40They were on some kind of suicidal mission.
00:45Help! Help!
00:48At this point, nobody could have predicted the events that were gonna unfold.
00:52What started as a horrific incident, then led to the brutal stabbing of an innocent man.
01:04Why would she stab him?
01:05All I know is he was trying to help her.
01:10They said she was suffering from folio d'oe, which I've never heard of.
01:14Folio d'oe is a very rare psychiatric condition.
01:18A French term meaning the madness of two, it's almost as if you would consider it being contagious.
01:26How would you kill us? How can someone catch a mental illness of somebody?
01:31On social media, you have people posting their own theories.
01:38And various colourful opinions about what happened took on a life of their own.
01:44I'll tell you what I thought. I thought it was drugs.
01:46Basically a theory that they were lab raps.
01:48One of the officers described her as having inhuman strength.
01:51Senior officers to the scene, we've got two possible fatals.
01:54After the incident on the M6 where they were running into oncoming traffic and causing mayhem on the motorway.
02:21Sabina Erickson was convicted and sentenced to one day in custody, which she'd already served.
02:34So she was released from the magistrate's court and sent on her way.
02:39After Sabina was released from the court house, she was seen wandering the streets of Fenton.
02:51Sabina bumps into Glenn Hollinshead and Peter Malloy, who had been drinking at the Royal Oak pub.
03:01As time to go home, I started walking up Chrysler Street and as we were walking up there was a woman.
03:13She stuck out like a sore thumb in the middle of the street, wearing this big bubble jacket with all her stuff in a plastic bag.
03:27She seemed a little distressed, lost, certainly not very focused.
03:34We started a conversation.
03:36My sister was in hospital and she was trying to find her.
03:40And she said, I need to find a bed and breakfast.
03:45And Glenn said, there's nothing around here for you to stay at.
03:50Come back to mine.
03:52We'll have a bite to eat and then try to locate your sister.
03:55We'll find you somewhere to stay.
03:57I can see how somebody with an outside lens looking in on this might think, what on earth would they do that for?
04:11But Stoke-on-Trent's not a big city.
04:14It is a place of working class people largely, people who take pride in being friendly and approachable and welcoming to everyone.
04:27Glenn, I suppose, was a rebel of the family, but in a nice way.
04:34We grew up in the Air Force as a group of five boys, brothers.
04:42We were very close-knit.
04:44Glenn followed in my father's footsteps.
04:48He joined the Air Force.
04:50He was a medic when he left.
04:54And I went to join Mitchell in making tyres in Stoke-on-Trent.
05:01When he settled in Stoke, it wasn't far from where I live.
05:05He was coming round all the time.
05:07He helped out with my mum.
05:09Yusuf fascinated my mother by telling her stories, you know, history stories and stuff.
05:14She could sit there all day listening.
05:16Spent a lot of time together.
05:17We'd come up the house.
05:18We'd have meals.
05:19He loved cooking curry.
05:21It was really hot.
05:24We used to meet up and take the dogs out.
05:28He had a real soft spot.
05:32He would do anything for you.
05:34If he had ten pence and it was his last, he'd give it to you.
05:38It was really good that way.
05:41And if he saw anybody who needed help, he would offer help.
05:45Glenn offered Sabina a place to stay for the night, fed her, made sure she was comfortable and looked after her.
06:00But when they were in the house together, her behaviour was a little alarming.
06:06She seemed quite open and warm.
06:11But then, in the quiet moments, she was getting quite paranoid.
06:16Then pulling the curtains to one side.
06:19And looking out.
06:21And then quickly just snatching them back.
06:24I responded a little bit unsettled by this.
06:27I'm looking at Glenn for reassurance.
06:29And he's like, it's all right, it's all right.
06:31Sabina, she'd had a pretty traumatic few days.
06:36She'd been injured on a motorway.
06:39She'd spent time in a police cell.
06:41She'd seen her sister cast off in an air ambulance.
06:45And she was in a strange country.
06:48These are sorts of events which can only feed into somebody's existing paranoia.
06:55If that paranoia is already there.
06:58There was this growing fear inside of me thinking, who is this woman?
07:02She's hiding from someone.
07:06She gets out his cigarettes and she offers them around to myself and Glenn.
07:10We take one and just as we were about to light up.
07:15She just snatches them quite furiously.
07:18And says, they might be poisoned, you can't have them.
07:21I was taken by by that.
07:23Like, what?
07:24Your cigarettes are poisoned?
07:25And this was a pack of cigarettes that she'd been smoking from all night.
07:30This is beyond weird now.
07:32Something's not right about this woman.
07:34Glenn was, he was quite relaxed and comfortable with it.
07:38I think he was just dismissing it off as quirky.
07:42I personally just wanted to get out of that situation.
07:47As quickly and as calmly as possible.
07:52Peter was clearly suspicious of Sabina's behaviour and left the house.
07:58But Glenn was helping her.
08:02And Sabina stayed the night.
08:05In 2008, I was working at the Royal Infirmary in Stoke.
08:17In the A&E department as a nursing assistant.
08:20Which is why Glenn rang me and told me that he's got this Swedish woman at his.
08:27And told me, you know, she's got nowhere to go.
08:30So I'd better stay here.
08:32And she's got a sister who's in the hospital.
08:35Her had been a car accident.
08:38When I rang Glenn back, I said,
08:40I've found out that she's been admitted, been operated on.
08:45And that's all they can tell me.
08:48And that's what I told Glenn.
08:50And I said, if you want to lift up there, I'll give you a lift up there.
08:57When he come back and he said, no, she doesn't want to go.
09:00I said, oh, okay.
09:02Well, if you change your mind, let me know.
09:05But I'll give you a lift up.
09:07And that was that.
09:12If I had known the story about the M6, like an award clip.
09:17That what she's told you isn't what happened.
09:24Oh, Jesus.
09:25Yeah, I could have warned him.
09:27Time goes three, three.
09:29She's very dangerous.
09:30Careful.
09:31After Sabina stayed the night in Glenn's home, people in the local area saw Sabina and saw Glenn in the house or through the window.
09:58And at one point, Glenn gave one of them a thumbs up.
10:04Sabina asked Glenn for a cup of tea.
10:07He was caught, sure, because he didn't have any tea to give her.
10:10So he went to a neighbour to see if he could borrow a tea bag.
10:15I think I went to flash for some tea bags.
10:18And I said to him, when I finish washing the van, I'll get you some.
10:21Glenn was just trying to make a cup of tea for Sabina.
10:29That's when everything kicked off.
10:32Neither Glenn or Sabina ever got to drink their cups of tea.
10:35It turns out that Glenn had gone inside the house after speaking with his neighbour.
10:43And using his kitchen knife, Sabina attacked Glenn, stabbed him three times in the chest.
10:52And one time in the throat.
10:57And she stabbed me, she stabbed me.
11:00And they said, yeah, look after me dog.
11:03I said, I'm just coming now.
11:05I said, yeah, I'll look after your dog for you.
11:07Sabina fled the scene at the house and was acting in a very erratic manner.
11:17She had somehow got hold of a hammer.
11:20The good Samaritan stopped and tried to help her.
11:24Well, as we were pulling up to the exit onto the roundabout,
11:27I just glanced and saw a woman in the corner of my eye.
11:30I looked again and saw her smashing herself on the head with a hammer.
11:37I just felt a sickening feeling in my stomach.
11:40And I do remember seeing lots of blood on her head and it was proper tunnel vision.
11:46And I was just completely like zoned in on the hammer.
11:49Just put my hands straight on the hammer and lowered it.
11:52She hit me on the back of the head with something.
11:56The last thing I saw was her run across the roundabout.
12:00The road followed by two paramedics.
12:04The paramedics from Staffordshire Ambulance Service had been called to a stabbing incident.
12:09And the crew, as they were going on route, came across an individual who had been hitting her head with a hammer.
12:16Quite concerned about her safety.
12:19The ambulance stopped to try and help.
12:22Paramedics saw Sabina as she then made her way to a high row bridge nearby.
12:31She's got nowhere to go.
12:33So instead of handing herself in, Sabina jumps from the bridge onto the road.
12:38The paramedics who were going to the stabbing are now dealing with the scene on the A-50.
12:47And when I approached the incident, I was quite surprised it was actually the same lady that we'd attended to on the motorway.
12:57She jumped a distance from approximately 30 foot onto a hard road surface.
13:11She appeared to have sustained a head injury and also an injury to a leg.
13:19When I approached her, she was actually conscious, but she was quite aggressive, abusive, shouting and screaming.
13:25Very similar to her presentation when I'd come across her on the motorway.
13:32I did an initial assessment of Sabina, determined there was no obvious life-threatening injuries.
13:38The paramedic crew that were on scene were obviously managing her.
13:41And then I was aware of a stabbing incident in the locality.
13:46So I left the scene.
13:48As I approached the scene, there were a number of police officers there.
13:59One of the police officers waved me down and advised me to stop.
14:05And I was basically told that life was extinct.
14:09This was now a crime scene.
14:16I was working at the daily newspaper in Stoke at that time, the Sentinel.
14:21And I found out there'd been a stabbing in Duke Street.
14:29So I travelled to the scene to speak to some neighbours and get some more information about what happened.
14:37They told me Glenn came out of the house severely injured.
14:44He had been stabbed.
14:45He told his neighbour he had been stabbed.
14:47She stabbed me, she stabbed me.
14:50And then the other guy went, that was it.
14:54I'd seen nobody die before.
15:00It was a very brutal stabbing of an innocent man in his home.
15:05The day after I'd spoken to Glenn, I went up to the corner shop to get a packet of cigarettes.
15:21On the counter was the Sentinel newspaper.
15:24And I looked and I thought, I recognise that picture.
15:26That's Glenn's house.
15:27It was cordoned off.
15:28And I thought, what's going on here?
15:29And I don't think I even bothered reading it.
15:30So I went back to my car, drove down there, parked up.
15:32And the policeman says, oi, you can't park there.
15:33You'll have to move that car.
15:34You'll have to move that car.
15:35I said, well, your brother lives here.
15:36All right.
15:37Yeah.
15:38Can you just stay here?
15:39I'll get someone to come and talk to you.
15:40I waited and waited.
15:41No one was coming.
15:42No one was coming.
15:43No one was coming.
15:44And I thought, what's going on here?
15:45And I thought, what's going on here?
15:46I don't think I even bothered reading it.
15:47So I went back to my car.
15:48You'll have to move that car.
15:50I said, well, your brother lives here.
15:53All right.
15:54Here.
15:55Can you just stay here?
15:58I'll get someone to come and talk to you.
16:00I waited and waited.
16:01No one was coming.
16:03And eventually, they came up to the house.
16:07I had to inform the rest of the family.
16:10It's hard to say to somebody, your brother's dead.
16:15And it still gets to be there.
16:28Still find it hard to talk about.
16:30After I finished work, I was asked by my wife, in an urgent way, to phone Paul, my brother.
16:55He just told me that Glen had died.
17:00And then, obviously, it opens up a whole barrage of questions.
17:06Trying to piece the whole thing together in your mind is pretty difficult.
17:12But my whole focus was being concerned with my mother.
17:16I couldn't tell her.
17:17I had to get my neighbour to tell her.
17:19I couldn't get the words out.
17:21She couldn't take it in.
17:23You know, she couldn't believe it.
17:26My mum, she just kept saying,
17:29What?
17:30Glen's dead?
17:31And I thought, sorry, I'm getting upset now.
17:35Still got to get over that they couldn't bother to inform us.
17:41So I thought the first thing the police did in a thing like that is inform the family.
17:48And to read it in the papers wasn't very nice at all.
17:54In the immediate aftermath of the stabbing, it was a very confusing picture.
18:03We were trying to piece together.
18:06It's a shocking moment when you realise the relationship between the M6 and the stabbing and the A50.
18:14What's going to happen to you, do you?
18:17Fucking hell!
18:18Calm down, calm down, calm down, calm down.
18:21After she jumped onto the A50, she was transported to the emergency department to Royal Stoke University Hospital.
18:28With a head injury and quite significant leg injuries, she appeared to have sustained an ankle fracture.
18:35While Sabine Erickson was in hospital, she was arrested for the murder of Glen Hollinshead.
18:46In 2008, I was instructed by the Staffordshire branch of the Crown Prosecution Center.
19:04to prosecute Sabine Erickson for the murder of Glen Hollinshead.
19:14After Sabine jumped off the bridge, she remained in hospital until the 11th of September of 2008,
19:23receiving treatment for her serious leg injuries and a wound to the abdomen.
19:33And the doctor who examined her formed the view that the wound had been caused by a sharp object such as a knife.
19:43So this raised the possibility that Sabine had been stabbed.
19:50The question then was, by whom?
19:55Was it by Glen Hollinshead?
19:58Glen tended to be a little bit rebellious.
20:05I would say he did not like authority.
20:10He was always looking for direction.
20:13He tended not to have a clear purpose in life.
20:16He was focused on drinking.
20:18He used to drink a lot, he always has.
20:20At one point he did lose his way.
20:26So I don't know what it was with his smoking.
20:31You know, he was asking to borrow money and stuff like that.
20:35And I got to the point where I said, I can't do this anymore.
20:38End off, you know.
20:40And then he went on a methadone program.
20:46Now I used to say to Glen, be careful who you play with.
20:51Because he had some characters in his life that I wouldn't have entertained.
20:56But that was his nature.
20:58It was irrefutable that Sabine Erickson's hand had held the knife with which Glen Hollinshead had been stabbed.
21:16But did she act in self-defense?
21:19What was her state of mind at the time that the stabbing took place?
21:25The defense indicated that they would instruct a psychiatrist to examine Sabine Erickson.
21:37They said she was suffering from poliodermal.
21:41And apparently it's a condition where you can catch a mental illness of somebody.
21:46You know, how can someone catch a mental illness?
21:50In the days and weeks leading up to the trial.
22:04I looked through all the evidence and one of the extraordinary features of the case.
22:11Was in relation to the incident on the M6
22:19Here was an example of quite extraordinarily bizarre behavior
22:26By Sabina and Ursula Eriksson
22:41Understandably, there were suspicions that the twins had been high on drugs or under the influence of something
22:51Yeah, of course, yeah
22:53Jesus Christ
22:55I watched her go under her dear
22:57The arty?
22:58Yeah, she ran off from us
23:00They're both, they're both high
23:03Yeah, very
23:04The other one's just fought us
23:07Both Sabina and Ursula provided blood samples
23:13And in both their cases, the samples were negative
23:17For the presence of drugs, both lawful and unlawful
23:23And for alcohol
23:25There's going to be a big investigation about this
23:28Where are you from?
23:30Are they Irish?
23:31Swedish
23:32Swedish
23:32Stop, stop it
23:36You're a fucking asshole
23:37Calm down
23:38Fucking bitch you are
23:40I'm going to make sure I don't want to get some of the words
23:42Fuck you guys, fuck you
23:45Fuck you
23:47Three days later
23:52Sabina jumped from the parapet of the A50
23:56Again, she was negative for drugs and alcohol
24:02Her behavior was bizarre
24:05So it was inevitable
24:09Sabina Erickson's mental state at the time of the killing
24:14Might well be an issue in the case
24:18The defense instruct a psychiatrist to examine Sabina
24:24It's absolutely usual
24:27It's absolutely usual
24:28If a defendant produces a report
24:31That the prosecution will also obtain a report
24:35In 2009, I was instructed as a consultant psychiatrist
24:42To prepare a forensic psychiatric report
24:46In the case of Sabina Erickson
24:49Do you suffer any mental health problems or from depression?
24:54No, sir, I don't
24:54Have you ever tried to harm yourself?
24:57No, sir, I never did
24:59Not a good idea, was it?
25:01Not to answer
25:02The defense expert felt Sabina was in fact suffering from a serious mental health issue
25:11And that Sabina Erickson's behavior was due to the presence and the influence of her sister
25:21And their diagnosis was folia due
25:28A French term meaning the madness of two
25:32Folia due is a very rare psychiatric condition
25:36Typically, it happens when the two people involved spend quite a considerable time together and are highly isolated
25:44One person would have what we call the primary diagnosis of a true mental illness
25:53And then because of their intimacy
25:55They could convince that other person to think just as they were thinking
26:01It's almost as if you would consider it being contagious
26:05In the case of these sisters, there was an indication that Ursula was the primary patient
26:14Folia due seemed to be a very convenient diagnosis of what was going on between Sabina and the sister
26:23No, I don't believe there's any woo-woo type mysticism where one girl is transferring her thoughts to another girl
26:33Even though twins are very close
26:35Just please check out how we need to please give us this sir
26:39I'll ask the subject
26:40Okay, no problem
26:41All right
26:42There's now quite a lot of evidence which shows that folia due does happen because it's been recorded
26:52It's possible for two people to share the same deletion, but it's extremely rare
26:57And that's what makes this case very interesting
27:01There were two diagnoses, one by each of the medical experts
27:09I wanted to meet with Ms. Erickson
27:12I'm curious to know what was happening in the weeks, days, hours, and even in the minutes leading up to the event
27:22Because prior to meeting with her sister, there was no evidence of any previous issue with mental health
27:33Conversations with people who grew up with the twins in Sweden have revealed what their childhoods were like
27:54The twins grew up with an older brother and sister
27:57Their fathers disabled with only one arm and had problems with alcohol
28:06Their mother was believed to have challenges of her own
28:10The children were generally left to their own devices
28:17School friends remember Ursula having a cleft palate but disfigured and scarred her entire face from the forehead down
28:24And was bullied for her disfigurement
28:27The twins had an extremely close relationship with each other but didn't spend time with other friends
28:34Sabina and Ursula decided they would have a better life if they left Sweden
28:38There are so many unanswered questions around this case
28:47When they arrived in Liverpool they spoke to police to raise some concerns about the safety of Sabina's sons
28:57Police we understand at that stage actually made contact with her partner back in court
29:04And discovered that he was concerned for Sabina's whereabouts for her safety
29:10And there was nothing to cause alarm with their two sons
29:15But why did they travel to Liverpool?
29:18Why were they so worried about Sabina's children's safety back in Ireland?
29:28When they stopped at Kiel's services
29:31Why would they not put their bags back in the hold of the coach?
29:40Why were they both trying to run in front of traffic on the M6?
29:44Mike Alpha, we need the lot here now
29:47Stay there, it's okay
29:50See you breathing
29:52What was causing this extreme behaviour?
29:59And indeed, the day after, the questions continued
30:04It's inevitable when people are interested in something
30:10Their minds try and piece together the confusion of it all
30:16In today's podcast we are going to delve deep into the story
30:20And the crimes of sisters Ursula and Sabina Erickson
30:25Oh my god, this case is giving me a headache
30:28I think the case of Sabina and Ursula Erickson
30:30Has captured people's imagination in part
30:32Because of the lack of official information
30:34That's available to the public
30:36And where information is missing
30:37Conspiracy theorists will rush in
30:39Once the news coverage of this story
30:43Caught the interest of social media
30:45It just snowballed
30:47And various colourful opinions about what happened
30:50Took on a life of their own
30:52So let's quickly talk about some theories, shall we?
30:55I'll tell you what I thought
30:56I thought it was drugs
30:57Conspiracy theories suggest Sabina and Ursula
30:59Had either taken or been given PCP
31:02It is an illegal drug that can cause hallucinations
31:05Paranoia and the belief that one has superhuman strength
31:08Often PCP is laced in cigarettes
31:11So this theory definitely seemed plausible
31:13Because it could explain why Sabina was concerned
31:16About Glenn and Peter smoking her cigarettes
31:18However, PCP is one of the drugs the police test for
31:23So this isn't something that would have been missed
31:25During their examination
31:26One of the ISU's guys said they're on a coach
31:30Whether they've just come in we don't know
31:32But they're very protective of the bags
31:33And wouldn't let the coach drive put them down below
31:35And he says with the way they're acting
31:37Could they be mewling?
31:39There was also a theory that the twins were drug smugglers
31:42The reason for this theory is just the way that they were
31:45Kind of acting with their bags
31:46On the coach, how they were like clutching them
31:48And just acting really weird
31:50And the twins had multiple mobile phones with them
31:53That could support the fact that they were drug smugglers
31:55There were no drugs found in their system
31:58And no drugs or drug paraphernalia found in their bags
32:02There are theories out there
32:05But we can't prove any of this
32:08It is purely speculation
32:10What on earth happened in Glenn Hollenshead's house?
32:17I made an appointment to meet with Ms. Erickson
32:30I felt that I did not have enough information
32:36To do a comprehensive diagnosis
32:40Prior to what had happened to Mr. Hollenshead
32:48It seemed that she was having persecutory delusions
32:53Hearing voices, thoughts that she was in danger
32:58And this was made clear to her by Ursula
33:03And that is when she was convinced
33:07That they needed to seek refuge
33:09Apparently they were walking down Central Asia kissing
33:16They considered escaping together
33:22One way or the other
33:24Like a pact
33:26What was said to me by Ms. Erickson
33:31Was that they were both convinced
33:34That they had to act in this way
33:37And that by dying together
33:40That would be one way of escaping
33:42Whatever perceived danger that they had imagined
33:47After the incident
34:02It appeared that Sabina
34:04Continued suffering from a paranoid delusion
34:08Thinking that someone is out to harm her
34:10When Mr. Hollenshead went out to speak to his neighbor
34:17It is possible that she might have felt
34:22They were plotting in some way
34:25If she was having persecutory delusions
34:29It would give her a sense of fear
34:32A feeling that she needed to escape
34:38To protect herself
34:39And also to protect her sister
34:42I was able to understand more
34:47About what her life was like
34:50Sabina and her sister Ursula
34:54They led a fairly frugal existence in Sweden
34:59And there was some insinuation
35:04Of difficulties within the household
35:09Although there was no overt sign
35:14Of mental health difficulties
35:16Sabina and Ursula
35:20Both had a shared traumatic childhood
35:23We know now that people
35:26Who've had some type of adverse experience
35:28Particularly some kind of trauma
35:30In their childhood
35:31Are much more likely than other people
35:34To develop a form of severe mental illness
35:37Some form of psychosis or another
35:38There were two diagnoses
35:46The defense believed that it was polyadure
35:50But in my opinion
35:53She was suffering from acute polymorphic psychotic disorder
35:58Where the person's mind simply takes leave of reality
36:07It could have lasted days
36:10And the presence and influence of her sister
36:14Was more the final straw
36:17That caused her to have a psychotic break
36:21In the end
36:23It did not matter
36:25Who made what diagnosis
36:27The important thing was
36:29Whether we felt
36:31That she was operating
36:32Under the influence
36:34Of a mental disorder
36:36At the time of the incident
36:38The conclusions
36:39Of both experts
36:42Were the same
36:43Dr. McDaniel's report
36:51Was only available
36:53At lunchtime
36:55On the day that the trial
36:57Was due to commence
36:58We discovered
37:01That she too
37:02Had come to the conclusion
37:05That Sabina's responsibility
37:07Was substantially diminished
37:09By her mental state
37:11At the time of the killing
37:13We would accept
37:16A plea
37:17Only if
37:18Any suggestion
37:20Of self-defense
37:22Was abandoned
37:23Right, stay with me
37:25I can't see
37:27Any reason
37:28Why Glenn would stab her
37:30I don't think
37:31You're going to make someone
37:32A cup of tea
37:33And then just turn around
37:34And stab them
37:34If Glenn had seen Sabina
37:38Trying to harm herself
37:39In any way
37:41He would
37:41Try to prevent it
37:43It's how he is
37:45He wouldn't just
37:45Stand there and watch
37:46Calm down
37:48Calm down
37:50Sabina
37:51For whatever reason
37:53Was quite happy
37:54To place herself
37:55At serious risk of harm
37:57And when anybody
37:58Tried to stop her
37:59She was prepared
38:01She was prepared
38:01To resist
38:01Violently
38:03Watch it guys
38:04Watch it down
38:05Legs down
38:05Legs down
38:06Legs down
38:06It seemed to me
38:09That the overwhelmingly probable inference
38:14Was that
38:14Sabina
38:15Was in the process
38:17Of using the knife
38:18To injure herself
38:20When Glenn Hollingshead
38:22Came back into his house
38:23That he tried to stop her
38:26And that she took possession
38:28Of the knife
38:28And stabbed him
38:30The defence
38:34Considered their position
38:36Overnight
38:38There were various court hearings
38:53Most of them seemed to be adjourned
38:55We'll see
38:57It's been a long time coming
38:58But we'll see what happens
38:59And then finally
39:01There was the trial
39:02We were there as brothers
39:04Waiting to see
39:06What was going to happen
39:07Sabina's change of plea
39:09Made headlines
39:10And I remember it
39:12Being reported prominently
39:14On BBC News
39:15Tonight a Swedish woman
39:17Who ran into the path
39:19Of oncoming traffic
39:20On the M6 motorway
39:21And later killed a man
39:22Has pleaded guilty
39:23To manslaughter
39:25The judge sentenced
39:33Sabina to five years
39:34Minus the time
39:35She had served
39:36On remand
39:37I was disappointed
39:42With the sentence
39:43That was passed down
39:44But I didn't think
39:46It would bring Glenn back
39:47No matter how long
39:48She'd gone in prison
39:49In my eyes
40:04It should have been preventable
40:06After what she'd gone through
40:08On the M6
40:09Being knocked unconscious
40:12Then waking up
40:14And fighting with police people
40:16Trying to run into
40:17Other traffic
40:18On the other side
40:19Of the M6
40:20Now to me
40:21That is not normal behaviour
40:23And there was a mention
40:25Of 136
40:27Where you
40:29Under the Mental Health Act
40:31Well 136 if she is
40:34Well she needs to be
40:35But if nothing else
40:36For going on the carriageway
40:37And for her own safety
40:39One of the policemen
40:41That was there
40:42Said that she should be sectioned
40:44They could have kept her
40:46Under observation
40:47They could have brought in
40:49Psychologists
40:49Psychiatrists
40:50I don't hold Sabina responsible
40:53Although she physically
40:55Was responsible
40:56For my brother's death
40:57I think that the police
40:59Are far more culpable
41:00Sabina
41:02I don't have any malice against
41:04In the case of
41:09Miss Erickson
41:11She showed
41:12Intermittent signs
41:14Of psychosis
41:16Sabina
41:17Come and sit in the car
41:19There were times
41:21When she acted bizarrely
41:23And there were times
41:24When she acted normally
41:25What job are you doing
41:26Over here
41:27Oh I just find
41:28Found a
41:29Crappy job
41:31But because of
41:31The fluctuating nature
41:33Of the illness
41:35Then things sort of
41:36Slip through the net
41:38You alright
41:39Yeah I'm fine
41:40I'm fine
41:41I'm just checking
41:41With
41:42Mechanics
41:43The moment
41:43Where
41:43I can't
41:44Be as a bit
41:44Look
41:44The police
41:46Had no way
41:47Of telling exactly
41:48What was gonna happen next
41:50I think in the moment
41:51They probably thought
41:53They were doing
41:54The right thing
41:55By Sabina
41:56But there are lessons
42:00To be learned
42:00From this
42:01I think the world has
42:31Moved on
42:32In terms of our understanding
42:33Of mental health conditions
42:35And our awareness
42:36Of it
42:37We need to foster
42:44A better understanding
42:45Of what these disorders are
42:48And the fact that
42:51There's not two species of people
42:53The sane and the insane
42:55But that we're all to some extent
42:57On that spectrum
42:57And the earlier we can intervene
43:01The sooner we can get to people
43:03Who are developing psychotic symptoms
43:06Then the more likely we are
43:08To be able to prevent
43:09The tragic deaths
43:10Of people like
43:11Glenn Holland's head
43:12My mother was never the same
43:18Glenn I think
43:19Was the apple of her eye
43:22It broke her heart
43:23And she ended up
43:25Falling apart
43:26I still picture him
43:29Lovely joking with me
43:30Yeah I miss him
43:33Oh god do I ever
43:35I miss him
43:36But I miss him
43:47I miss him
43:51So
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