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00:003-3, go ahead.
00:07They are now all on a hard shoulder on the northbound, but the collision itself had took place in lane 3 at the southbound.
00:15So they were trying to get back across the carriageway and they've been struck.
00:21I'm not a doctor, she has been knocked down by...
00:22Is she the one that speaks English, or the other one?
00:24Yes. The other one, she's gonna run...
00:26Oh no! Shit!
00:30Oh, jeez!
00:32Swedish twins Sabina and Ursula Eriksson were causing mayhem on the motorway.
00:37Are you gonna see all my organs, you pet?
00:40They were on some kind of suicidal mission.
00:45Help! Help!
00:48At this point, nobody could have predicted the events that were gonna unfold.
00:52What started as a horrific incident then led to the brutal stabbing of an innocent man.
01:00Why would she stab him? All I know is he was trying to help her.
01:06They said she was suffering from folio deur, which I've never heard of.
01:13Folio deur is a very rare psychiatric condition.
01:18A French term meaning the madness of two. It's almost as if you would consider it being contagious.
01:27How ridiculous. How can someone catch a mental illness of somebody?
01:31On social media, you have people posting their own theories.
01:38And various colourful opinions about what happened took on a life of their own.
01:44I'll tell you what I thought. I thought it was drugs.
01:46Basically a theory that they were lab rats.
01:48One of the officers described her as having inhuman strength.
01:51Senior officers to the scene, we've got two possible fatals.
01:54After the incident on the M6, where they were running into oncoming traffic and causing mayhem on the motorway.
02:21Help me!
02:23It's arresting.
02:24We're keeping everything safe for you, sir.
02:27Sabina Erickson was convicted and sentenced to one day in custody, which she'd already served.
02:35So she was released from the magistrate's court and sent on her way.
02:43After Sabina was released from the courthouse, she was seen wandering the streets of Fenton.
02:53Sabina Erickson, who had been drinking at the Royal Oak pub.
02:57It was time to go home.
02:58I started walking up Christchurch Street and as we were walking up there was a woman.
03:04She stuck out like a sore thumb in the middle of the street, wearing this big bubble jacket with all the stuff in a plastic bag.
03:12She seemed a little distressed.
03:26Lost, certainly not very focused.
03:30We started a conversation and my sister was in hospital and she was trying to find her and she said I need to find her bed and breakfast.
03:44And Glenn said, there's nothing around here for you to stay at.
03:51Come back to mine.
03:51We'll have a bite to eat and then try to locate your sister or find you somewhere to stay.
03:57I can see how somebody with an outside lens looking in on this might think, what on earth would they do that for?
04:11But Stoke-on-Trent's not a big city. It is a place of working class people, largely.
04:19People who take pride in being friendly and approachable and welcoming to everyone.
04:26Glenn, I suppose, was a rebel of the family, but in a nice way.
04:38We grew up in the Air Force as a group of five boys, brothers. We were very close-knit.
04:46Glenn followed in my father's footsteps. He joined the Air Force.
04:50He was a medic when he left and went to join Mitchell in making tyres in Stoke-on-Trent.
05:02When he settled in Stoke, it wasn't far from where I live.
05:05He was coming round all the time. He helped out with my mum.
05:10Yusuf fascinated my mother by telling her stories, you know, history stories and stuff.
05:14She could sit there all day listening. Spent a lot of time together.
05:17We'd come up the house, we'd have meals. He loved cooking curry. So, really hot.
05:26We used to meet up and take the dogs out. He had a real soft spot.
05:32He would do anything for you. If he had 10 pence and it was his last, he'd give it to you.
05:38It was really good that way. And if he saw anybody who needed help, he would offer help.
05:48Glenn offered Sabina a place to stay for the night, fed her, made sure she was comfortable
05:55and looked after her. But when they were in the house together, her behaviour was a little alarming.
06:05She seemed quite open and warm. But then, in the quiet moments, she was getting quite paranoid,
06:16then pulling the curtains to one side. I'm looking out and then quickly just snatching them back.
06:24I responded a little bit unsettled by this. I'm looking at Glenn for reassurance. And he's like,
06:30it's all right, it's all right.
06:31I'm looking at the camera.
06:32I'm looking at the camera.
06:33Sabina, she'd had a pretty traumatic few days. She'd been injured on a motorway. She'd spent time in a
06:40police cell. She'd seen her sister cast off in an air ambulance. And she was in a strange country.
06:48These are sorts of events which can only feed into somebody's existing paranoia. If that paranoia is
06:57already there.
06:57There was this growing fear inside of me thinking, who is this woman? She's hiding from someone.
07:04She gets out her cigarettes and she offers them round to myself and Glenn. We take one and just as we're
07:12about to light up, she just snatches them quite furiously and says, they might be poisoned. You can't
07:20have them. I was taken by by that. Like, what? Your cigarettes are poisoned? And this was a pack of
07:27cigarettes that she'd been smoking from all night. This is beyond weird now. Something's not right
07:34about this woman. Glenn was, he was quite relaxed and comfortable with it. I think he was just
07:40dismissing it off as quirky. I personally just wanted to get out of that situation
07:47as quickly and as calmly as possible.
07:52Peter was clearly suspicious of Sabina's behaviour and left the house. But Glenn was helping her.
08:01And Sabina stayed the night.
08:12In 2008, I was working at the Royal Infirmary in Stoke in the A&E department as a nursing assistant,
08:20which is why Glenn rang me and told me that he's got this Swedish woman
08:25at his and told me, you know, she's got nowhere to go, so I'd better stay here.
08:32And she's got a sister who's in the hospital, her in a Peter Carson.
08:37When I rang Glenn back, I said, I've found out that she's been admitted, been operated on,
08:45and that's all they can tell me. And that's what I told Glenn. And I said, if you want to lift up there,
08:54I'll give you a lift up there.
08:57When he come back and he says, no, she doesn't want to go. I said, oh, okay.
09:01Well, if you change your mind, let me know, but I'll give you a lift up. And that was that.
09:13If I'd have known the story about the M6, I could have warned Glenn that what she's told you isn't what happened.
09:20Oh, Jesus. Yeah, I could have warned him. Time goes through straight.
09:28What's going to happen to you? She's very dangerous. Careful.
09:45After Sabina stayed the night in Glenn's home,
09:51People in the local area saw Sabina and saw Glenn in the house or through the window.
09:58And at one point, Glenn gave one of them a thumbs up.
10:04Sabina asked Glenn for a cup of tea. He was quite sure because he didn't have any tea to give her.
10:10So he went to a neighbour to see if he could borrow a tea bag.
10:13I think I went to fast for some tea bags. And I said to him, whenever he's washing the van, I'll get you some.
10:23Glenn was just trying to make a cup of tea for Sabina.
10:26That's when everything kicked off. Neither Glenn or Sabina ever got to drink their cups of tea.
10:35It turns out that Glenn had gone inside the house after speaking with his neighbour.
10:43And using his kitchen knife, Sabina attacked Glenn, stabbed him three times in the chest.
10:51And one time in the throat, she stabbed me, she stabbed me.
11:00And they said, yeah, look after me, dog. I said, I'm going to just come in now.
11:04And I said, yeah, I'll look after you, dog, for you.
11:09Sabina fled the scene at the house and was acting in a very erratic manner.
11:17She had somehow got hold of a hammer. This good Samaritan stopped and tried to help her.
11:24Well, as we were pulling up to the exit onto the roundabout, I just glanced and saw a woman in the corner of my eye.
11:31I looked again and saw her smashing herself on the head with a hammer.
11:37I just felt a sickening feeling in my stomach.
11:40And I do remember seeing lots of blood on her head and it was proper tunnel vision.
11:46And I was just completely, like, zoned in on the hammer.
11:49Just put my hands straight on the hammer and lowered it.
11:52She hit me on the back of the head with something.
11:56The last thing I saw was her run across the roundabout, the road.
12:01Followed by two paramedics.
12:04The paramedics from Staffordshire Ambulance Service had been called to a stabbing incident.
12:09And the crew, as they were going en route, came across an individual who had been hitting her head with a hammer.
12:16Quite concerned about her safety, the ambulance stopped to try and help.
12:21The paramedics saw Sabina as she then made her way to a high row bridge nearby.
12:31She's got nowhere to go.
12:33So instead of handing herself in, Sabina jumps from the bridge onto the road.
12:39The paramedics who were going to the stabbing are now dealing with the scene on the A50.
12:50And when I approached the incident, I was quite surprised it was actually the same lady that we'd
12:56attended to on the motorway.
13:08She jumped a distance from approximately 30 foot onto a hard road surface.
13:13She appeared to have sustained a head injury and also an injury to a leg.
13:19When I approached her, she was actually conscious, but she was quite aggressive, abusive, shouting and
13:25screaming.
13:25Very similar to her presentation when I'd come across her on the motorway.
13:32I did an initial assessment of Sabina, determined there was no obvious life-threatening injuries.
13:38The paramedic crew that were on scene were obviously managing her.
13:42And then I was aware of a stabbing incident in the locality.
13:46So I left the scene.
13:55As I approached the scene, there were a number of police officers there.
14:00One of the police officers waved me down and advised me to stop.
14:05And I was basically told that life was extinct.
14:09This was now a crime scene.
14:16I was working at the daily newspaper in Stoke at that time, the Sentinel.
14:21And I found out there'd been a stabbing in Duke Street.
14:30So I traveled to the scene to speak to some neighbors and get some more information about what happened.
14:39They told me Glenn came out of the house severely injured.
14:44He had been stabbed.
14:45He told his neighbor he had been stabbed.
14:48She stabbed me.
14:49She stabbed me.
14:51And then the other day I went, that was it.
14:55I've seen nobody die before.
15:01It was a very brutal stabbing of an innocent man in his home.
15:05The day after I'd spoken to Glenn, I went up to the corner shop to get a packet of cigarettes.
15:20On the counter was the Sentinel newspaper.
15:23And I looked and I thought, I recognize that picture.
15:30That's Glenn's house.
15:31And it was cordoned off.
15:33And I thought, what's going on here?
15:35And I don't think I even bothered reading it.
15:38So I went back to my car, drove down there, parked up.
15:44And the policeman says, oh, you can't park there.
15:48You'll have to move that car.
15:49I said, well, I said, well, your brother lives here.
15:54All right.
15:56Yeah.
15:57Can you just stay here?
15:58I'll get someone to come and talk to you.
16:00I waited and waited.
16:01No one was coming.
16:04And eventually they came up to the house.
16:08I had to inform the rest of the family.
16:11Yeah.
16:12It's hard to say to somebody, you know, your brother's dead.
16:15It still gets to be there.
16:28Still find it hard to talk about.
16:29After I finished work, I was asked by my wife, in an urgent way, to phone Paul, my brother.
16:50He just told me that Glen had died.
17:01And then, obviously, it opens up a whole barrage of questions.
17:06Trying to piece the whole thing together in your mind is pretty difficult.
17:12But my whole focus was being concerned with my mother.
17:17I couldn't tell her I took it.
17:18My neighbor to tell her.
17:20I couldn't get the words out.
17:21She couldn't take it in.
17:24You know, she couldn't believe it.
17:26My mom, she just kept saying, what?
17:30Glen's dead?
17:32And I thought, sorry, I'm getting upset now.
17:38Still got to get over that they couldn't bother to inform us.
17:44So I thought the first thing the police did in a thing like that is inform the family.
17:48And to read it in the papers wasn't very nice at all.
17:56In the immediate aftermath of the stabbing, it was a very confusing picture.
18:03We were trying to piece together.
18:08It's a shocking moment when you realize the relationship between the M6 and the stabbing and the A50.
18:14It's not going to happen to you, too.
18:17Fuck it out.
18:18Calm down, calm down, calm down, calm down.
18:21After she jumped onto the A50, she was transported to the emergency department at Royal Stoke University Hospital.
18:28With a head injury and quite significant leg injuries, she appeared to have sustained an ankle fracture.
18:35While Sabine Erickson was in hospital, she was arrested for the murder of Glen Hollinshead.
18:46In 2008, I was instructed by the Staffordshire branch of the Crown Prosecution Service to prosecute Sabine Erickson for the murder of Glen Hollinshead.
19:10After Sabine Erickson jumped off the bridge, she remained in hospital until the 11th of September of 2008,
19:23received treatment for her serious leg injuries and a wound to the abdomen.
19:33And the doctor who examined her formed the view that the wound had been caused by a sharp object such as a knife.
19:47So this raised the possibility that Sabine had been stabbed.
19:51The question then was, by whom?
19:56Was it by Glen Hollinshead?
20:03Glen tended to be a little bit rebellious.
20:07I would say he did not like authority.
20:10He was always looking for direction.
20:13He tended not to have a clear purpose in life.
20:16He was focused on drinking, he used to drink a lot, he always has.
20:23At one point he did lose his way.
20:27So I don't know what it was with his smoking.
20:32You know, he was asking for more money and stuff like that.
20:35And I got to the point where I said, I can't do this anymore, end off, you know.
20:41And then he went on a methadone programme.
20:46Now I used to say to Glen, be careful who you play with.
20:51Because he had some characters in his life that I wouldn't have entertained.
20:55It was irrefutable that Sabine Erickson's hand had held the knife with which Glen Hollinshead had been stabbed.
21:16But did she act in self-defence?
21:20What was her state of mind at the time that the stabbing took place?
21:28The defence indicated that they would instruct a psychiatrist to examine Sabine.
21:36He said she was suffering from polioderm.
21:41And apparently it's a condition where you can catch a mental illness of somebody.
21:47You know, how can someone catch a mental illness?
21:49In the days and weeks leading up to the trial, I looked through all the evidence.
22:07And one of the extraordinary features of the case was in relation to the incident on the M6.
22:19Here was an example of quite extraordinarily bizarre behaviour
22:26by Sabine and Ursula Erickson.
22:30Oh, I recognise you. I know you're not here.
22:32Stay still for me. Stay still, because you're hurt.
22:34Come on, come on.
22:35I'm back for you.
22:36I'm not more real.
22:42Understandably, there were suspicions that the twins had been high on drugs
22:48or under the influence of something.
22:51Yeah, of course, yeah.
22:54Jesus Christ.
22:55I watched her go under her.
22:57Oh dear.
22:57The arctic.
22:58Yeah, she ran off from us.
23:01They're both, they're both high.
23:03High is high.
23:04Yeah, very.
23:05The other ones just fought us.
23:09Both Sabine and Ursula provided blood samples.
23:13And in both their cases, the samples were negative for the presence of drugs,
23:21both lawful and unlawful, and for alcohol.
23:25It's going to be a big investigation about this.
23:27Where are you from?
23:30Are they Irish?
23:31Swedish.
23:32Swedish.
23:32I took five when I was six off the camera.
23:34Stop, stop it.
23:36You're a fucking asshole.
23:37Calm down.
23:38You're a fucking bitch you are.
23:40I'm going to make sure our organs won't work.
23:43Fuck you, guys.
23:44I'm going to get around again.
23:45I'm going to get around again.
23:45Yeah.
23:45Calm down.
23:51Three days later, Sabine jumped from the parapet of the A50.
23:57Again, she was negative for drugs and alcohol.
24:02Her behavior was bizarre.
24:07So it was inevitable.
24:09Sabine Erickson's mental state at the time of the killing might well be an issue in the case.
24:19The defense instruct a psychiatrist to examine Sabine.
24:24It's absolutely usual if a defendant produces a report that the prosecution will also obtain a report.
24:37In 2009, I was instructed as a consultant psychiatrist
24:43to prepare a forensic psychiatric report in the case of Sabine Erickson.
24:50Do you suffer any mental health problems or from depression?
24:53No, sir, I don't.
24:56Have you ever tried to harm yourself?
24:57No, sir, not every day.
24:59Not a good idea, was it?
25:00Not to answer.
25:04The defense expert felt Sabine was in fact suffering from a serious mental health issue
25:13and that Sabine Erickson's behavior was due to the presence and the influence of her sister.
25:23And their diagnosis was folio due, a French term meaning the madness of two.
25:33Folio due is a very rare psychiatric condition.
25:37Typically, it happens when the two people involved spend quite a possible time together and are highly isolated.
25:44One person would have what we call the primary diagnosis of a true mental illness and then,
25:53because of their intimacy, they could convince that other person to think just as they were thinking.
26:01It's almost as if you would consider it being contagious.
26:06In the case of these sisters, there was an indication that Ursula was the primary patient.
26:16Folio due seemed to be a very convenient diagnosis of what was going on between Sabine and the sister.
26:23No, I don't believe there's any woo-woo type mysticism where one girl is transferring her thoughts to another girl,
26:33even though twins are very close.
26:35Just please check out how it is, please be the last sister.
26:39I'll ask the subject.
26:40Okay, no problem.
26:41All right.
26:42There's now quite a lot of evidence which shows that folio due does happen because it's been recorded.
26:53It's possible for two people to share the same delusion, but it's extremely rare.
26:58And that's what makes this case very interesting.
27:03There were two diagnoses, one by each of the medical experts.
27:08I wanted to meet with Ms. Erickson.
27:13I'm curious to know what was happening in the weeks, days, hours, and even in the minutes leading up to the event.
27:23Because prior to meeting with her sister, there is no evidence of any previous issue with mental health.
27:38The story of the children who grew up with mental health.
27:48Conversations with people who grew up with the twins in Sweden have revealed what their childhoods were like.
27:55The twins grew up with an older brother and sister.
28:02Their father's disabled with only one arm and had problems with alcohol.
28:07Their mother was believed to have challenges of her own.
28:14The children were generally left to their own devices.
28:18School friends remember Ursula having a cleft palate that disfigured and scarred her entire face from the forehead down.
28:25And was bullied for her disfigurement.
28:28The twins had an extremely close relationship with each other, but didn't spend time with other friends.
28:35Sabina and Ursula decided they would have a better life if they left Sweden.
28:42There are so many unanswered questions around this case.
28:49When they arrived in Liverpool, they spoke to police to raise some concerns about the safety of Sabina's sons.
28:57Police, we understand at that stage, actually made contact with her partner back in Cork and discovered that he was concerned for Sabina's whereabouts, for her safety.
29:10And there was nothing to cause alarm with their two sons.
29:16But why did they travel to Liverpool?
29:19Why were they so worried about Sabina's children's safety back in Ireland?
29:25When they stopped at Cale's services, why would they not put their bags back in the hold of the coach?
29:40Why were they both trying to run in front of traffic on the M6?
29:44What was causing this extreme behaviour?
29:58And indeed, the day after, the questions continued.
30:05It's inevitable when people are interested in something, their minds try and piece together the confusion of it all.
30:16Today's podcast, we are going to delve deep into the story and the crimes of sisters Ursula and Sabina Eriksson.
30:25Oh my God, this case, it's giving me a headache.
30:28I think the case of Sabina and Ursula Eriksson has captured people's imagination in part because of the lack of official information that's available to the public.
30:36And where information is missing, conspiracy theorists will rush in.
30:39Once the news coverage of this story caught the interest of social media, it just snowballed.
30:47And various colourful opinions about what happened took on a life of their own.
30:53So let's quickly talk about some theories, shall we?
30:55Tell you what I thought, I thought it was drugs.
30:57Conspiracy theories suggest Sabina and Ursula had either taken or been given PCP.
31:02It is an illegal drug that can cause hallucinations, paranoia and the belief that one has superhuman strength.
31:08Often PCP is laced in cigarettes, so this theory definitely seemed plausible because it could explain why Sabina was concerned about Glenn and Peter smoking her cigarettes.
31:19However, PCP is one of the drugs the police test for, so this isn't something that would have been missed during their examination.
31:26There was also a theory that the twins were drug smugglers.
31:42The reason for this theory is just the way that they were kind of acting with their bags on the coach, how they were like clutching them and just acting really weird.
31:50The twins had multiple mobile phones with them that could support the fact that they were drug smugglers.
31:56There were no drugs found in their system and no drugs or drug paraphernalia found in their bags.
32:02There are theories out there, but we can't prove any of this.
32:09It is purely speculation.
32:12What on earth happened in Glenn Hollenshead's house?
32:17I made an appointment to meet with Ms. Erickson.
32:31I felt that I did not have enough information to do a comprehensive diagnosis.
32:40Prior to what had happened to Mr. Hollenshead, it seemed that she was having persecutory delusions, hearing voices, thoughts that she was in danger.
32:59And this was made clear to her by Ursula.
33:04And that is when she was convinced that they needed to seek refuge.
33:10Apparently, they were walking down the central isolation kissing.
33:19They considered escaping together one way or the other like a pact.
33:28What was said to me by Ms. Erickson was that they were both convinced that they had to act in this way.
33:37And that by dying together, that would be one way of escaping whatever perceived danger that they had imagined.
33:47After the incident, it appeared that Sabina continued suffering from a paranoid delusion, thinking that someone is out to harm her.
34:10When Mr. Hollenshead went out to speak to his neighbor, it is possible that she might have felt they were plotting in some way.
34:25If she was having persecutory delusions, it would give her a sense of fear, a feeling that she needed to escape to protect herself and also to protect her sister.
34:42I was able to understand more about what her life was like.
34:49Sabina and her sister Ursula, they led a fairly frugal existence in Sweden, and there was some insinuation of difficulties within the household.
35:09Although there was no overt sign of mental health difficulties.
35:19Sabina and Ursula both had a shared traumatic childhood.
35:23We know now that people who've had some type of adverse experience, particularly some kind of trauma in their childhood, are much more likely than other people to develop a form of severe mental illness, some form of psychosis or another.
35:38There were two diagnoses.
35:45The defense believed that it was polyadure.
35:51But in my opinion, she was suffering from acute polymorphic psychotic disorder.
35:59There were two diagnoses where the person's mind simply takes leave of reality.
36:06It could have lasted days.
36:09And the presence and influence of her sister was more the final straw that caused her to have a psychotic break.
36:20In the end, it did not matter who made what diagnosis.
36:26The important thing was whether we felt that she was operating under the influence of a mental disorder at the time of the incident.
36:38The conclusions of both experts were the same.
36:43Dr. McDaniel's report was only available at lunchtime on the day that the trial was due to commence.
36:58We discovered that she, too, had come to the conclusion that Savina's responsibility was substantially diminished by her mental state at the time of the killing.
37:14We would accept the plea only if any suggestion of self-defense was abandoned.
37:23Right, stay with me.
37:26I can't see any reason why Glenn would stab her.
37:30I don't think you're going to make someone a cup of tea and then just turn around and stab them.
37:36If Glenn had seen Savina trying to harm herself in any way, he would have tried to prevent it.
37:43It's how he is. He wouldn't just stand there and watch.
37:46What are you filming for?
37:47What are you filming for?
37:48Calm down.
37:49What are you filming for?
37:50Calm down.
37:51Sabina, for whatever reason, was quite happy to place herself at serious risk of harm.
37:57And when anybody tried to stop her, she was prepared to resist violently.
38:02Watch it, guys. Watch it down. Legs down. Legs down.
38:07It seemed to me that the overwhelmingly probable inference was that Sabina was in the process of using the knife to injure herself when Glenn Hollingshead came back into his house, that he tried to stop her and that she took possession of the knife and stabbed him.
38:30The defence considered their position overnight.
38:51There were various court hearings. Most of them seemed to be adjourned.
38:55We'll see. It's been a long time coming, but we'll see what happens.
39:00And then, finally, there was the trial. We were there as brothers, waiting to see what was going to happen.
39:07Sabina's change of plea made headlines, and I remember it being reported prominently on BBC News.
39:16Tonight, a Swedish woman who ran into the path of oncoming traffic on the M6 motorway and later killed a man has pleaded guilty to manslaughter.
39:25The judge's sentence had been at her five years, minus the time she had served on remand.
39:37I was disappointed with the sentence that was passed down, but I didn't think it would bring Glenn back, no matter how long she got in prison.
39:48In my eyes, it should have been preventable. After what she'd gone through on the M6, being knocked unconscious, then waking up and fighting with police people, trying to run into other types of crimes.
40:17I'm trying to run into other traffic on the other side of the M6. Now, to me, that is not normal behaviour.
40:23And there was a mention of 136 under the Mental Health Act.
40:32I shouldn't have arrested. Well, 136 if she is.
40:34Well, she needs to be, if nothing else, for going on the carriageway and for her own safety.
40:40One of the policemen that was there said that she should be sectioned.
40:45They could have kept her under observation. They could have brought in psychologists, psychiatrists.
40:51I don't hold Sabina responsible, although she physically was responsible for my brother's death.
40:57I think that the police are far more culpable.
41:00Sabina, I don't have any malice against.
41:07In the case of Miss Erickson, she showed intermittent signs of psychosis.
41:15Sabina, come and sit in the car.
41:19There were times when she acted bizarrely and there were times when she acted normally.
41:25What job are you doing over here?
41:27Oh, I just found a crappy job.
41:30But because of the fluctuating nature of the illness, then things sort of slipped through the net.
41:37You're all right.
41:39Yeah, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm just checking it.
41:42The police had no way of telling exactly what was going to happen next.
41:50I think in the moment they probably thought they were doing the right thing by Sabina.
41:56But there are lessons to be learned from this.
42:26I think the world has moved on in terms of our understanding of mental health conditions and our awareness of it.
42:43We need to foster a better understanding of what these disorders are.
42:48And the fact that there's not two species of people, the sane and the insane, but that we're all to some extent on that spectrum.
42:58And the earlier we can intervene, the sooner we can get to people who are developing psychotic symptoms,
43:06then the more likely we are to be able to prevent the tragic deaths of people like Glen Hollinshead.
43:16My mother was never the same.
43:18Glen, I think, was the apple of her eye.
43:21It broke her heart.
43:23And she ended up falling apart.
43:25I still picture him laughing and joking with me.
43:30Yeah, I miss him.
43:32Oh, God, do I ever.
43:35I miss him.
43:36I miss him.
44:06I'll do it again.
44:18We're still there.
44:22ונ
44:28Remember Jack?
44:29We did hold a woman.
44:33I'll see you next time.
45:03Next tonight, Police Interceptors.
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