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00:003-3, go ahead.
00:09They are now on our shoulder on the northbound, but the collision itself took place in lane 3 at the southbound, however.
00:18So they were trying to get back across the carriageway and they'd been struck, is that right?
00:22Well, they were walking up and trying to size them away, it is on CCTV, recording us.
00:27Yeah, I see.
00:30And in League 2, it's crunch time in the playoff semi-finals.
00:35Stockport County hosts Wicket Wanderers in the second leg later today.
00:41I had driven down to Birmingham to collect my daughter from university.
00:46We were on our way north to come home when the incident happened.
00:54I was travelling up to the game with my dad and my best friend and one of the coaches.
00:57We can see all the traffic building up in front of us.
01:01This didn't feel like an insignificant situation.
01:04We saw a traffic officer's vehicle parked on the left.
01:10We could never have imagined what was about to happen.
01:15The red one's got knocked down by the red car over there.
01:20I've got an ambulance en route for her.
01:22She seems all right, but I'm not a doctor.
01:25She has been knocked down.
01:26Is she the one that speaks English or the other one?
01:28Yes.
01:28The other one, she's going to run it.
01:30Oh, no!
01:31Shit!
01:34Oh, Jesus!
01:36Mike Alpha, Mike Alpha, we need ambulance.
01:39Senior officers to the scene.
01:40We've got two possible faithfuls.
01:42All right, Susan.
01:43Two, eight, seven, thank you.
01:45Three, two, we do good.
01:46I'll see you on the left.
01:46Stay where you are, my love.
01:48Stay where you are.
01:49Stay where you are.
01:52Stay there.
01:53Stay there.
01:54Stay there.
01:55Stay there.
01:55What started as a horrific suicide attempt
02:01of the twin sisters on the M6
02:04then led to the brutal stabbing of an innocent man
02:10a few days later.
02:13It was truly shocking.
02:1817 years on,
02:20we don't know exactly what motivated them on that day.
02:25What on earth
02:26had caused this
02:28to transpire?
02:51Sierra, Papa, two, one.
02:53Go ahead.
02:53Cat one.
02:55Immediate response required.
02:57Report of a stabbing.
02:58Male victim.
02:59Mid-fisties.
03:00Bleeding heavily.
03:02Suspect last seen heading westbound on foot.
03:04Described as female, white, late 30s, green jacket.
03:08Ambulance en route.
03:09Over.
03:10Sierra control received.
03:12En route.
03:13ETA five minutes.
03:14Over.
03:15Over.
03:15It was in the back alley at the back of Duke Street.
03:24They'd actually put up the blue police tape as a cordon.
03:29As I approached the scene,
03:31one of the police officers waved me down
03:34and advised me to stop.
03:36I was told that life was extinct.
03:38It was very chilling, shocking,
03:41the whole sequence of events leading up to this, really.
03:52Sabina and Ersela were born in Sweden,
03:54in Varmland County,
03:58near the border of Norway.
04:00We know that Sabina Ericsson
04:03was living in Cork, in Ireland,
04:05with her partner and their two sons.
04:10Ersela was living in America.
04:19Ersela arrives from the United States
04:23in a surprise visit to see Sabina.
04:27At around two in the morning,
04:29without saying goodbye to Sabina's partner or children,
04:31the twins left Sabina's family home and travelled north.
04:35They boarded a ferry from Dublin to Liverpool.
04:49From Liverpool, they then boarded a coach
04:52which was en route to London via the M6 South.
05:00We don't know what motivated that.
05:03The twins were holding their bags quite close to them
05:09and acting strangely on the bus.
05:12The driver was alarmed by their behaviour.
05:18About an hour into the journey,
05:20the coach stopped at Cale Services
05:23in an unscheduled break.
05:25For reasons that are unclear,
05:31the twins disembark and refuse to get on the coach.
05:34So the coach eventually continues its journey to London,
05:38leaving Sabina and Ersela behind.
05:40Once they were at Cale Services,
05:53they were seen by other members of the public
05:57acting erratically, wandering around, looking lost.
06:01The police did attend the scene,
06:06spoke to the Ericsson twins.
06:08They hadn't committed a crime,
06:10so the police left them on their way.
06:16Sabina and Ersela don't bring a taxi.
06:19Don't look for alternative transport.
06:22Instead, they start heading towards the M6 motorway on foot.
06:263-3, go ahead.
06:47The driver of the vehicle sounds bad.
06:50It's been told to remain in situ.
06:51It appears that it's two Swedish females
06:56southbound that were walking
06:58on the central reservation of the motorway.
07:01One of them appeared to have tried to cross the motorway
07:04and then been hit by a vehicle.
07:06So we've got a vehicle that's been damaged on the southbound
07:08and we've got casualties on the northbound.
07:11Give me a little estimate now of...
07:14Er, we're going to be about two minutes away.
07:16I'm David Ray, and I was the person behind the camera
07:25on motorway cops.
07:28You spend a 12-hour shift
07:31sat in the back of a police car.
07:35Mostly, it's actually quite routine,
07:39but you've got no idea what you're going to come up against.
07:43Yeah, they're out there.
07:52Hiya.
07:53Hiya.
07:56Right.
07:57What we've got is they were in the central res.
08:00Why?
08:01Do we know?
08:01Exactly.
08:02Are they speaking English?
08:03Speak one speaks English, are you?
08:05The one in the res.
08:07Yeah.
08:07We had a block coming up.
08:09Right.
08:09Because we knew they were on camera.
08:11A full closure?
08:12It's on camera.
08:13Full closure northbound.
08:14Yeah.
08:15They were trying to cross the Bravo.
08:17So as we approached,
08:18they hadn't seen us now then,
08:20the red one's got knocked down
08:22by the red car over there.
08:24Got an ambulance en route for her.
08:26She seems all right,
08:27but I'm not a doctor.
08:29She has been knocked down.
08:30Is she the one that speaks English,
08:32or the other one?
08:32Yes.
08:33The other one.
08:33She's the one that's...
08:34Oh, no!
08:35Shit!
08:38Oh, Jesus!
08:40Mike Alpha, Mike Alpha,
08:42we need ambulance,
08:43senior officers to the scene.
08:44We've got two possible fatals.
08:49Oh, we see you, thanks.
08:51Stay there.
08:51Shh, it's okay.
08:53It's just like, um...
08:54See you're breathing.
08:55Okay.
08:57Stay there, stay there.
08:58Who's my sister?
08:59Come on, it's okay.
09:00Where's my sister?
09:02It's okay, she's being looked after
09:03by the other police.
09:04Keep your head still for me.
09:05Keep your head still.
09:07Shh.
09:08I don't know what I saw.
09:09I just saw this woman exiting frame.
09:13Oscar Tanger 33,
09:14we're going to need air arms.
09:17Why were you running, my love?
09:19Without any warning whatsoever,
09:21the first one just ran
09:22straight under the wheels of the HGV.
09:25To sort of compound in the second woman
09:28was then immediately hit by a car.
09:29The initial reaction is amazement.
09:32You can't believe that two people
09:34have just done that in front of you.
09:37For a few seconds,
09:38you don't know what to do.
09:40It's just shock.
09:42And then the adrenaline kicks in.
09:45You've got to do a job
09:46and you've got to cover this.
09:47She ran in front of me.
09:50And I avoided her with wagging him.
09:53And I clipped her with trailer life.
09:55First female has been hit by a HGV
09:58and serious injury.
09:59Second female has been hit
10:01by a small vehicle in lane one.
10:03We saw ambulances rush past us,
10:06screeching down the motorway,
10:07blue lights on.
10:09It all happened in a flash.
10:11She ran in front of the woman driving the polo,
10:19thrown up into the air
10:20and completely squashed the roof of her car.
10:25And there was nothing that that woman could have done
10:27to have avoided her.
10:29Sabina, is it?
10:35Sabina?
10:36In all my career,
10:37I've never filmed anything like this before.
10:39And either before or after.
10:42No, come on, my love.
10:43Come on, you've hit your head.
10:44Calm down.
10:45Calm down.
10:46She appears very disorientated.
10:50I didn't really know what was going on,
10:53to be honest.
10:54But we could certainly never, ever have imagined
10:57what was about to unfold.
10:59Calm down.
10:59I'm going to drop it off.
11:00I'm going to run for you.
11:01Bitch, ass.
11:02Calm down.
11:03I'm going to harm you.
11:20Oh, I recognise you.
11:22I know you're not real.
11:22Stay still for me.
11:23Stay still, because you're hurt.
11:25Come on, calm down.
11:26Fuck you.
11:26They're all something.
11:28I'm going to leave my head.
11:28What's happening in terms of ambulances?
11:30Ambulances are all on route.
11:32We've got helicopters on route.
11:33We're asking for additional patrols.
11:34Please help me!
11:36My name's Dr. Latif Hussain,
11:38and on the 17th May 2008, I got a text message on my phone advising me that there'd been an incident
11:45on the M6.
11:51When you're driving to the incident, your adrenaline is rushing and you're trying to think of all
11:57the scenarios, the only information that I'd received, the only information that I'd received was that there were some pedestrians that'd been knocked down.
12:03I did think she was being unnecessarily aggressive.
12:16She's just behind you, the police officers were there to help, and she didn't seem to recognise that, so I'm wondering what's going on in her head.
12:27Are you going to steal my fucking organs, you bitch?
12:30What's going to happen to you, too?
12:32Oscar Tango 3-3.
12:33No, it's going to happen to you, too!
12:35I don't know how she gets it into her head that anybody is going to steal her organs.
12:42Is she high on drugs?
12:45Is she delusional?
12:47Was this some kind of suicide pact?
12:50Tango, whatever, what can I tell you?
12:53You're a fucking pathetic of you.
12:54I'm not, Heather.
12:55You're far not.
12:57I arrived on scene.
12:58I was made aware that one of the casualties had been hit by a car,
13:02but a pedestrian versus a HGV is not very good,
13:06and nine times out of ten, when you look at the speed involved,
13:09you'd expect that to be a fatality, really.
13:12I'm just going to go 3-2-3-2.
13:15And so my focus was directed towards that casualty.
13:19It's in!
13:19I can't go on one.
13:20Relax your arms now.
13:23It's fine in the shoulder.
13:26Both the young females have got potentially serious injuries in view of the actual mechanism of the accident.
13:31They've ran out onto the motorway, been hit by one vehicle and clicked another vehicle.
13:37One of the young females has got quite nasty leg injuries.
13:44There was a lot of blood and damage to the skin, to the bones.
13:49But despite that, I was very surprised that she was actually conscious.
13:53Under the circumstances, I found, you know, really quite bizarre that this individual had got certainly limb-threatening,
13:59potentially life-threatening injuries, but she was very agitated, kicking, screaming, shouting.
14:05I'm going to stop that heart.
14:07I'm going to make sure the organs won't work.
14:09She was behaving bizarrely.
14:12On reflection, afterward, it was quite strange.
14:16Shh, shh, shh, shh.
14:16Just relax.
14:18Oh, I know that, my love.
14:20Yeah, my calf, I've got one unconscious casualty.
14:23Mine's very aggressive, spitting at me.
14:25She is very badly injured.
14:26I don't know what's going on.
14:28Words started to get round so that there had been pedestrians on the motorway.
14:32It was definitely anger as we approached kick-off time.
14:36We decided to have the game playing on the radio.
14:40I was focused very much on the woman who'd just been hit by the polo.
14:46We actually thought that she was dead.
14:50Where are you living at the moment?
14:51Have you got an address in the UK?
14:54She was just not moving at all.
14:59It was very difficult to see that, but that's what we thought had happened.
15:02We thought she was dead.
15:05Our plans are at the moment is we need to do some seating cries.
15:08We're going to try and get you guys out of here as quick as possible
15:10because this is going to be closed for some time now.
15:12We sat in the car for probably 10, 15 minutes.
15:17And then the next thing was, she stood up.
15:23Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
15:25Stay, stay, stay.
15:27I couldn't believe it because I thought, surely she must have serious injuries.
15:32But she seemed absolutely fine.
15:38Right, don't get going anywhere, okay?
15:40Just chill, chill, okay?
15:41Just try to relax.
15:42Just lie down again.
15:43Don't have the right to...
15:44I was amazed that Sabina was alive because it should have been a fatal.
15:52It was just incredible.
15:55Where's Paul?
15:56Oh, shit.
15:57Where's Paul?
15:58Right, stay with me, okay?
16:00Stay with me.
16:01All right?
16:02Love.
16:02Okay?
16:03Stay.
16:05Where's Paul?
16:06Stay.
16:07Why do you feel me?
16:09Stay still.
16:10Why do you feel me?
16:11Oh, fucking hell!
16:16No, no!
16:18She just punched the officer.
16:21She then ran over onto the southbound carriageway.
16:26Mike Alpha 33, get us a closure on the southbound.
16:30What on earth are you doing?
16:31Oh, my God, we're going to have another incident on the opposite carriageway.
16:35Stay!
16:36Stay there!
16:36Calm down, calm down, calm down.
16:38Calm down.
16:38And it was unclear to me whether she was actually trying to get away or whether she was making
16:47another attempt to be run over.
16:49Calm down.
16:50Yeah, he's actually on the southbound now.
16:52Calm down.
16:53Don't feel me.
16:54Calm down.
16:56Three, three.
16:57I've got a female fight.
16:58Calm down.
16:59To me, that wasn't really human.
17:03You don't get run over by a car doing 60, 70 on the motorway and then by another car thrown
17:11into the air, falling unconscious for 10 minutes and then go running over to try and do it again.
17:18That doesn't seem normal.
17:21Relax.
17:21Calm down.
17:23Calm down.
17:25They're high on something.
17:25Chill.
17:26Calm down.
17:28I didn't really know why she was doing this.
17:32One of the police officers had subsequently suggested to me that she might be on drugs.
17:38Police, grab her.
17:39Grab her.
17:40You got her?
17:41Yeah.
17:42You got her handcuffs.
17:43Handcuffs.
17:44And so we ran over.
17:48It was quite clear that they needed help.
17:54We're going to have to get her back home.
17:55We should do it.
17:56We should do it.
17:57No, not yet.
17:58We may do it in a minute.
17:59Just bear with us.
17:59Just secure her first.
18:01Mum, I'm sorry.
18:03Mum, I didn't mean to go on.
18:06Wait a minute.
18:07Wait a minute.
18:07She's been in twice.
18:08Arms.
18:09Arms.
18:09Yeah.
18:10Arms.
18:11Do you want the handcuffs to the front?
18:13Yeah, she's fine.
18:13She's been facing over the crash barrier on to the north side.
18:18Help!
18:18Help!
18:19I grabbed one of this woman's legs and a gentleman driving the furniture removal van behind me
18:27grabbed the other one.
18:28Watch it, guys.
18:29Watch it.
18:30Legs down.
18:30Legs down.
18:31And I'll pass it onto the other.
18:33She kicked him very hard in the chest.
18:36And I understand that he broke a rib from that kick.
18:39Right, we'll get that.
18:40As soon as she's over, down on the deck.
18:41One, two, five.
18:42Yeah, pretty.
18:42Fuck!
18:43Get off!
18:44Off the...
18:44Get off!
18:45I think it took six of us eventually to get any form of restraint waving us around like
18:49rag dolls on our arms.
18:51Okay.
18:51Well, we get her down.
18:53Get her down.
18:53We get her handcuffed from behind.
18:54It's all this.
18:55Watch her arm.
18:57Watch her arm.
18:58Watch her arm.
18:59We're the police.
19:01We are the police.
19:02The overriding impression that I had was that she had superhuman strength.
19:09Get her as much as she can.
19:11I just didn't know where she was getting that strength from.
19:21She had been hit by two motor vehicles, been unconscious for ten minutes, punched an officer
19:27with incredible force.
19:29It just seemed to me incredible that this woman had so much strength.
19:36She got up off the floor, tried to grab a restrainer, tried to use his car.
19:48She turned around, twatted me.
19:49I slipped.
19:50It was never a dull moment.
19:51As a pedestrian on the motorway, she commits an offence.
19:54Keep on her side because of her chest.
19:56Bring her legs off.
19:57Certainly by getting up and punching me, she's assaulted me.
20:00Both of those are offences for which she can be arrested for.
20:03Get moving.
20:04You can get gone.
20:07Come on, please.
20:09We don't want any more.
20:11Possibly about 10,000 people in about 10 to 15 miles of tailback at the moment.
20:17Obviously, we're trying to get them out as quick as possible.
20:19We've got 500 Wicked Wanderers fans in the backlog.
20:24I know.
20:25It's unfortunate.
20:25I don't know where they've got.
20:26No, I'm not bothered about missing them much.
20:28But I wonder if they ain't got crepes of lager on the bus.
20:31If you do get them gone, really.
20:32Highways are going to hopefully treat that as pirating.
20:37These buses have got football fans who could have been drinking.
20:43Wake up!
20:44If they start spilling out onto the motorway,
20:48it could add even more chaos to a chaotic scene.
20:52As a 17-year-old back then, I do remember thinking,
20:56it was like, this was purely a selfish act.
20:59Obviously, there's hundreds of people, if not thousands,
21:01stuck in this traffic jam.
21:02Traffic!
21:03Right there, I'm done.
21:04What?
21:04Why would someone take this decision to ruin everyone else's day,
21:09run in front of the traffic?
21:11The frustration and anger is definitely building at this point.
21:14We'll make a decision on air ambulance,
21:16because we'll have to land that there.
21:17Right, Martin, for the closure of a few hundred yards back,
21:20clearing these so that air one can land in the sterile.
21:24At this stage, they're not happy to put them in helicopters.
21:27But she's...unless they rapidly calm down...
21:30Yeah.
21:30Because that second woman is being restrained,
21:43there's nothing more to be done with her
21:44from a filming point of view.
21:47So then I realised that I need to catch the helicopter arriving,
21:51cos that's a significant moment.
21:52So I'm Darren Lapping, a paramedic.
22:04I was working on the air ambulance,
22:05and we were called to an incident on the M6.
22:10If you were that, I'm going to let the phone call on the receipt.
22:15Nice, gentle, that's it.
22:17I can quite clearly remember the traffic,
22:19it must have been nearly a ten-mile tailback on the motorway.
22:23But we got an idea that there was obviously two casualties
22:26separated by sort of 20 metres or so.
22:31So one was about to be loaded into the back of the land ambulance.
22:36And then there was a girl that was shouting a little bit,
22:40and I do recall as I approached,
22:43she did spit, sort of a slight reddy colour.
22:47Basically, the decision was made to sedate her.
22:50At the moment, both have been treated as life-threatening injuries.
22:56The lady who was behind me was run over by a 44-ton lorry.
23:00Three rear wheels, axle wheels, have run over the top of her.
23:03So the bones themselves, you could see the tissue had been torn away from it.
23:09The bone itself was snapped completely in half,
23:12and you could see the underlying tissue and muscle.
23:15I've been to cases where, unfortunately, they have not survived.
23:20They've literally gone with the lorry,
23:22got onto the drive prop shaft, and literally been torn to bits.
23:27So she was very lucky.
23:28The fact that the weight of a lorry,
23:35that it hadn't crushed her internal organs, her head or anything,
23:39that it only caught her legs,
23:42was, in a way, it was almost a miracle in itself.
23:44To have the kind of aggression, combativeness,
23:50it does occur quite a lot with head injuries.
23:53So that was my initial thought.
23:56I'm then considering why has she run onto the motorway,
23:59and has she now under the influence of alcohol,
24:02but also has she taken some form of drug?
24:05And then the final thing I'm considering is,
24:07is this potentially some sort of mental health illness?
24:10We decided she didn't have mental capacity.
24:14That was one of the reasons why we decided to sedate her.
24:18There's always a risk when you're actually giving drugs to individuals,
24:22especially if you don't know what the history or the background,
24:25or whether they have taken other drugs or substances.
24:29You have to really weigh up the benefits against a potential risk.
24:34To be honest, one of the ISU's guys said,
24:36they're on a coach, very protective of the bags,
24:38and wouldn't let the coach try and put them down below.
24:40And he says, with the way they're acting, could they be muley?
24:46Which, to be honest,
24:48not a bad consideration, is it?
24:52No, you're right.
24:54I thought they were probably on something,
24:56but if they were drug mules, it doesn't...
24:58Why did they get off the bus at Keele Services?
25:02And then why did they walk along the Central Reservation?
25:05It doesn't make any sense that they were drug mules,
25:08because they were going to get picked up,
25:10and then they could have got checked out.
25:17The lady with the more serious injuries
25:20was transferred to the air ambulance
25:22and was transported to the emergency department
25:24at Royal Stoke University Hospital.
25:26The other lady who was hit by the car,
25:34she was transported via land ambulance
25:36to the emergency department
25:38at Royal Stoke University Hospital.
25:41From the behaviour of this individual,
25:45there were concerns about her mental health,
25:47but nobody really could have predicted
25:50what transpired after this.
25:52My name is Paul Holinsed.
25:54My name is Paul Holinsed.
25:56My name is Paul Holinsed.
26:19My name is Paul Hollinshed.
26:23In 2008, I was working at the Royal Infirmary in Stoke.
26:28In the A&E department,
26:29we got everything under the sun coming through.
26:33Some of the nursing staff told me
26:35that they'd had two Swedish women in the department.
26:42One got hit by a lorry
26:43and the other one got hit by a car.
26:45Some people come in and they are abusive.
26:52When you try and help them, they don't want it.
26:55And in particular, one was causing so much trouble.
27:02Refusing treatment, screaming, shouting.
27:06The other one had been severely hurt
27:09and was going for an operation
27:12and then transferred to a ward.
27:15The doctor was so fed up of her behaviour
27:24causing Mary hell that he said,
27:26I want her out of here.
27:28They had to ask the police to remove her.
27:35So don't worry about my safety.
27:37I'll be all right.
27:38Yeah, I think she's calmed down now.
27:402-1-A-I at the hospital.
27:45For me as a documentary filmmaker,
27:49I still felt that I had to follow this story.
27:53I was aware that the second woman had been taken into hospital and checked
28:00and was apparently OK.
28:03So then she was going to be taken to the police station where she was going to be charged.
28:10Normally, if you come in and you've got a head injury,
28:15especially if you've been knocked unconscious and you've been knocked down by a car,
28:19you have a period where you have to be observed.
28:22And I thought there was a 72-hour time for observing people.
28:27Because you don't know what's going to evolve from that injury.
28:32I was quite surprised when she was removed.
28:37Well, we made OK money here.
28:40Sabrina, come and sit in the car.
28:43Yeah, yeah.
28:44Sabrina?
28:45OK.
28:46When the woman emerged from the hospital and got in the car,
28:49it was clear she'd been discharged from the hospital
28:53with only minor injuries, which was amazing, really,
28:56considering that she'd bounced off the windscreen of a Volkswagen Polo.
29:00Sergeant Custody.
29:01Hello there.
29:02It's PC Elliott from Central Motorway Police.
29:04Hello.
29:05Hello.
29:06Hello.
29:07Hello.
29:08Hello.
29:09Hello.
29:10Hello.
29:11Hello.
29:12Hello.
29:13Hello.
29:14Hello.
29:15Hello.
29:16Hello.
29:17Hello.
29:18Hello.
29:19Hello.
29:20Hello.
29:21Hello.
29:22Hello.
29:23Hello.
29:24Alright.
29:25We're bringing a lady in from an incident on the motorway
29:26earlier this afternoon.
29:28She's a Swedish national, but she speaks very good English.
29:32When you open the newspaper here, you feel just, like...
29:36I don't know if you should laugh or cry for them or pray for them.
29:42When you open the paper, you laugh.
29:44It was strange being in the back of the car.
29:49she wasn't bothered about me filming anymore
29:53whereas she previously on the motorway
29:55she was saying why are you filming why are you filming
29:57and so she was different
30:00Sabrina you no broken bones
30:02I'm fine
30:04I think you're going to be
30:05you're going to be very bruised and sore
30:10that's alright
30:12that's alright you know
30:13I'm a licensed boxer actually
30:15yes I am
30:16I'm used with that
30:18even if it's I'm out of shape now really
30:20so what are you doing over in Ireland then
30:24what job are you doing over in Ireland
30:27oh I just found a crappy job you know
30:30in the start-up you know
30:33she was quite chatty and friendly
30:36her demeanor was totally different
30:39than it had been on the motorway
30:40and it was difficult to believe really
30:43guys police off the motorway
30:46when she was in the station
31:01although she appeared to be normal
31:04there was something a little bit odd about her
31:07but it's not something I could put my finger on
31:09we have to wait
31:10I don't have something that I could put on
31:13not the moment
31:14have a seat
31:15because we can't do anything
31:16until we get in there
31:18hold you up there
31:22guys are difficult
31:24you're looking at how many wrinkles are you
31:29yes of course
31:30with her it would clearly work to be gentle with her
31:35to if you like to flirt with her
31:37how old am I
31:37yeah probably my name's best age
31:39yeah 45
31:41oh yeah
31:4244
31:43you got it
31:4345
31:4445
31:45time for rest please
31:49it was 15 30 hours today
31:51and the reason for the rest is the head
31:54the custody sergeant asks her if she's ever harmed herself and she says no sir
32:01it's a bit ironic because you just have tried to harm yourself on the M6
32:07why are you saying that?
32:08can you slip the shoes off for me?
32:14they are so dirty and smelly and they find only one socks for me
32:22yeah
32:23now
32:24so
32:24so
32:26are you saying that?
32:27can you slip these off for me?
32:29ah
32:30they are so dirty and smelly and they find only one socks for me
32:33nah
32:34I'll do one sex for me, and try not to breathe, then.
32:39Can I just tell you to take your ink off the top, please,
32:42and your jewellery and put it on?
32:43Do I have to take it out?
32:44Yeah, you do.
32:45Can I have to take it out, please?
32:47Yes.
32:48No, you can't.
32:49You need to take it off and put it on there, Annie.
32:51All right.
32:52OK.
32:53It's the little things that seem to bother her,
32:55as opposed to what you would think are the big things.
32:58You're booking her in, saying she's assaulted a police officer,
33:01and all she's worried about is what she's going to wear
33:05and how she looks.
33:07And that's surprised me from start to finish dealing with her.
33:11There's no make-up.
33:13No, there's no make-up.
33:15No.
33:16It's horrible, really. I really need my make-up.
33:19You look terrible.
33:20Terribly...
33:21Terribly bad.
33:23Me too.
33:24Right.
33:25I don't think she knew anything that had gone on.
33:28She either didn't care or couldn't remember.
33:32OK.
33:33OK.
33:34Fine.
33:35No problem.
33:36Second door.
33:37One of the roles that the police have to play
33:41is the safety of whoever is in custody.
33:45Their first thought is,
33:47are there any relatives that we can contact
33:49to tell them what's happened?
33:51Are you their eldest sister or younger sister?
33:56Older sister.
33:57OK.
33:58Mona.
33:59Er...
34:00Sabina is fine,
34:02but Ursula is quite...
34:04quite badly injured in hospital.
34:06It would seem that they ran out into traffic
34:10on a busy motorway.
34:13Have you...
34:16Have you...
34:17Yeah.
34:18When was the last time you spoke to your sisters?
34:22Crikey.
34:23Yeah.
34:26Sabina has children?
34:28I didn't know that.
34:29Are they living in Sweden?
34:33OK.
34:34But will you be able to tell your mum, do you think?
34:38OK.
34:39All right, then.
34:40Well, thank you for your help, Mona.
34:41OK.
34:43Bye-bye.
34:48Well, yeah.
34:49It seems...
34:50Well, thankfully,
34:51she speaks excellent English.
34:53She's really had no contact other than internet
34:56for a few years.
34:59But it seems like the two sisters basically travel the world
35:03and I don't know if there have been problems with mum,
35:06but mum hasn't spoken to them for about 12 years, apparently.
35:10So, erm...
35:12So, very odd.
35:13I've just read the statements of one of the officers
35:15and they talk about the formidable strength of them
35:21as if they are.
35:24There is something within their systems that's not right.
35:27I mean, the girl I spoke to in custody
35:30bears no resemblance to the girl described in the officer's statements.
35:34After the scene was cleared, I was actually on call for Staffordshire Police
35:44as a forensic medical examiner.
35:47OK.
35:48That's how we do it, yeah.
35:50Our role is to assess prisoners that come into the custody suite
35:55to see if they're fit to be detained and also if they're fit for interview as well.
36:01Initially, when I arrived at the custody suite, I didn't know who I was seeing,
36:05but when the individual was brought in, I realised that it was actually
36:08the lady that had been knocked down by the car.
36:12After my assessment of Sabina Erickson, I advised the police
36:15that she was fit to be detained.
36:17OK, look at the camera.
36:20But everybody got a laugh and a laugh at you.
36:23Where are you coming from?
36:24Although Sabina and Ursula's behaviour does appear to indicate
36:28that they might have been under the influence of some sort of drugs,
36:32Ursula was tested in the hospital and Sabina at the police station.
36:36There were no drugs found in their system,
36:38no drugs or drug paraphernalia found in their bags.
36:42I'll give you some water in the blanket now.
36:44OK.
36:45OK.
36:47Just please check out the movies.
36:49Please read the last Easter.
36:50I'll ask, sir.
36:51It's so important.
36:52OK, no problem.
36:53Go on.
37:05Sabina was held in custody for two nights
37:09and was taken to court and charged with trespass on the motorway
37:14and assaulting a police officer.
37:20Sabina Erickson was convicted and sentenced to one day in custody,
37:25which she'd already served.
37:27So she was released from the magistrate's court
37:30and sent on her way.
37:31There are so many unanswered questions around this case.
37:41When they stopped at Cale Services,
37:44why would they not put their bags back in the hold of the coach?
37:48Were they being influenced by somebody else?
37:53Was somebody putting pressure on them?
37:56Also, why were they both trying to run in front of traffic on the M6?
38:06What was causing this extreme behaviour?
38:18I could never have imagined the kind of thing that Sabina would do
38:22based on her behaviour at the police station.
38:25We say always in Sweden that accidents rarely come along.
38:31Usually at least once more followed.
38:37I don't think it occurred to me at the time
38:39that she should have been detained for a long period of time.
38:43But the fact that she was capable of decking a police officer
38:48indicated that she had some kind of violent streak to her.
38:56Her actions, her behaviour demonstrated that she wasn't safe.
39:01Police have launched a murder inquiry into a 54-year-old man
39:04found stabbed to death behind his home and sentenced.
39:07The other one. She couldn't run away.
39:10Oh, no, shit.
39:20Oh, Jeezus.
39:24No.
39:25After the incident on the M6 where they were running into oncoming traffic and causing
39:43mayhem on the motorway, Ursula was taken to hospital with a serious leg injury.
39:55Sabina was arrested, held in custody for two nights, and was taken to court and charged
40:08with trespass on the motorway and assaulting a police officer.
40:13The judge said she had to serve a day in prison, which she'd already done.
40:17So she left the magistrate's court with her things in a clear plastic bag.
40:25She was seen wandering the streets of Fenton.
40:32Sabina is a foreign national in a country she doesn't know, and she would have been confused
40:39as to where to go.
40:42It's bleak and dismal around there.
40:45There's nothing to help you.
40:47It would have been scary and frightening to be on her own without anybody to reach out
40:55to or to help her in that situation.
41:00Her sister obviously had been taken to hospital, and she would have had no idea how to even reach
41:08out to her sister.
41:12Sabina made her way somehow towards Duke Street, which is near, not far from the courthouse at all.
41:20She was on that journey when she met my brother.
41:23My brother Glen and his friend Peter often went to the pub and sat in the beer garden.
41:44He had to sit there because of his dog, which he took everywhere with him.
41:47He idolised it, and I'm not sure what time they left, but on the way home is when Sabina apparently
42:01approached her and said, what a lovely dog.
42:07And then spun a story about her sister being in a car crash, and she was looking for somewhere to stay.
42:17So Glen decides that he can help Sabina because his brother works in an A&E.
42:25So Glen, Peter, and Sabina go back to Glen's house on Duke Street.
42:36Her personality sort of opened up.
42:38She was a lot more bubbly and friendly, and she seemed happy to be talking to us as we carried
42:43her stuff down towards Glen's house.
42:45Two mobile phones, a laptop and duty-free cigarettes, and there was this red wall cardigan.
42:55And walking down, I'm thinking, this is a little, what's going on here?
42:59Who is she?
43:00Something's not right about this woman.
43:04Glen always sided with the underdog.
43:09Sometimes he might be overzealous and get involved in situations that he would have been better
43:14just to stay away from.
43:17If I'd known the story about the M6, I could have walked in.
43:24Who and her sister run onto the road?
43:26The defense diagnosis was fully adieu, a French term meaning the madness of two.
43:36How can someone catch a mental illness of somebody?
43:39If I'd been working, if I'd been working, they'd Glen ring me up and tell me he's got a Swedish
43:44woman there.
43:46If I could have warned him, so be very careful.
43:49She's very dangerous.
43:52Yeah, I could have warned him.
43:55I did get the chance.
44:09Stay there for the concluding part of Twisted Sisters next, and if you or someone you know
44:32has been affected by any of the issues raised in tonight's program, please go to channel5.com
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