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00:00As well as starring in the poignant Christmas drama, Goodbye June, it is a very warm welcome back to Kate Winslet!
00:23Hello everybody!
00:25Hi!
00:26This is unlike you Kate.
00:28Well, I normally come a bit business-y and play it safe and I thought, you know what, it's Graham, I'm 50, I look amazing.
00:35Go for it!
00:36Yeah!
00:41Is there a lot of talcum powder involved in this thing?
00:43Actually no, slightly wishing there was.
00:45OK!
00:46To be honest.
00:47Yeah, getting it off, you'll definitely wish there had been.
00:49I think so.
00:50So, welcome back to Kate, welcome back to Alan.
00:54And for the first time, Seth and Jacinda, love to see you both.
00:57That's right.
00:58Very good.
00:59You fulfilled your promise to me when you were a guest on my show.
01:01Somebody said I'd said that to you.
01:02Did I really say you?
01:03Oh my god, you can't even remember the promise.
01:05No.
01:06No.
01:07You know, after you left the room, everybody said, he won't remember a word he said to you.
01:11That's true.
01:12Yeah.
01:13I'm glad I didn't break my promise.
01:14Yeah.
01:15Obviously, I promised you'd be a guest on my show because I was a guest on your show.
01:18Yeah, and here we are.
01:19Here you are.
01:20I'm thrilled to be here.
01:21No, we're delighted you're here.
01:22And Jacinda, gorgeous to see you.
01:24Do you know what?
01:25It's just lovely to have a New Zealander on the sofa rather than on the red chair telling
01:29a vile story.
01:30I will admit that when your producer called, I did clarify which seat I would be in.
01:36Yeah.
01:37It feels like it's part of national service in New Zealand.
01:40You must go abroad and tell a story about shitting yourself.
01:42When you leave, we check your passport.
01:44We check that you've got a good set of yarns.
01:47But it's something about New Zealanders.
01:49They do tell a good yarn.
01:51They really do.
01:52And, you know, they're shameless as well.
01:55There's that.
01:56And, Kate, there's a kind of New Zealand connection because you started your film career in New Zealand.
02:02Yes, I did.
02:03I did.
02:04The first film I ever did when I was 17 years old was filmed in New Zealand directed by
02:08Peter Jackson.
02:09We were just backstage saying we're going to end up talking about Peter Jackson.
02:12Well, we are because before politics came a call in, you tried to work with Peter Jackson
02:17in New Zealand.
02:18I guess technically I did.
02:19I auditioned for...
02:20Did you actually?
02:21I did audition.
02:22Brilliant!
02:23I did.
02:24Half of New Zealand audition just to be, just to be, and half of New Zealand's dad,
02:29except for me.
02:30I did.
02:31I did.
02:32What was it?
02:33Too tall?
02:34What was the problem?
02:35That's what I told myself.
02:36I auditioned to be an extra, um, as a hobbit.
02:39Oh.
02:40Because I lived, I grew up quite close to Hobbiton where they did all the filming.
02:46It's not a real place.
02:47It is.
02:48You do just believe it exists.
02:49I also believe it exists.
02:50Well, you're wrong.
02:51I know.
02:52I think it would have been fun if there was just one tall hobbit in the background.
02:57Well, I, as I recall, they had a five foot seven little, you know, ruler against the
03:04doorway.
03:05And as I walked in, I just...
03:07Yeah.
03:08Pulling down a little bit of limbo.
03:09A little bit of limbo.
03:10I did a little limbo and then I got as far as the forms and I do remember they asked,
03:14uh, can you ride a horse bareback?
03:17And can you joust?
03:19Oh.
03:20And I could ride beer back because New Zealand.
03:23Um, but the jousting I fell shy on.
03:25I don't remember any jousting in that film.
03:27There wasn't.
03:28Um.
03:29Obviously, nobody, everyone went, no.
03:32They needed at least two.
03:35Yeah.
03:36Now, Alan, I have to say, huge congratulations on Celebrity Traders.
03:40Oh.
03:41I mean, it was amazing.
03:42Oh, there you are.
03:43Woo!
03:44I love that picture.
03:46I love it.
03:48Someone, alright, because I did some extra filming for it and they went,
03:51oh, Alan, do the face.
03:53And I put the...
03:54Dude, that's my face.
03:55That's not a face.
03:56Do the face.
03:59And I knew, because I watched the first episode and my phone was pinging and like,
04:03you know when you're in the middle aisle at Lidl, when you're going to Greg's for the
04:08last sausage roll.
04:09I was being...
04:10Yeah, manipulated.
04:11And I was thinking about, it's that thing, you know, you're on television a lot.
04:16And so you kind of think, I am known.
04:18But then, being the star of the biggest show, the most talked about show, it must feel different.
04:25Yeah, I mean, people go, oh, Alan, isn't he funny?
04:27I've been on telly for 25 years.
04:29I must have been awful.
04:31But you know the funny thing, and they never kept it in.
04:35And I just felt really proud, just like outwitting all these clever people.
04:39And Stephen Fry was at the round table and he went, you...
04:43Who can the traitors be?
04:45Now, remember the Cambridge spies.
04:47They were flamboyant, they were camp, they were out there, but no one spotted them.
04:51And I was obviously going, mmm, I know.
04:58And are you tired of it yet?
05:00Or are you still...
05:01Sick of it.
05:02Well, you say sick of it.
05:04Oh, I know what you're saying.
05:05Yeah, we've got a clip of you out and about in Soho.
05:08Oh, please don't talk to me about celebrity traitors.
05:10Oh.
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05:27Listen, we've got lots to talk about tonight.
05:29Let's get started with Kate Winslet's new movie.
05:31It is called Goodbye June.
05:33And it's in select UK cinemas from the 12th of December and on Netflix from Christmas Eve.
05:38And this is a proper Winslet production.
05:41You star and you direct.
05:43But I think the most fascinating thing is that your son...
05:46Yes.
05:47...wrote this.
05:48And what strikes me is it's not a story you imagine a 19-year-old guy would want to write.
05:54No.
05:55So my wonderful son, Joe, when he was 19 years old, he applied to a screenwriting course
06:01at the National Film and Television School.
06:03Look, there he is.
06:04He's so sweet.
06:05And he has always been very passionate and really good at writing and it's been a big
06:10part of his creativity.
06:11But that didn't necessarily mean that he was going to be able to write a screenplay.
06:14Yeah.
06:15So he did this six-month intensive course and he was encouraged by a fantastic tutor to
06:21just write from the heart.
06:23And the most significant thing that had happened in his life was the loss of his grandmother
06:27when he was 13, my mum.
06:29And he was just so struck and moved by how we all came together for her and because we all
06:36came from this one woman.
06:38And so he used that just as a loose inspirational backdrop and created a fictional story about
06:43a messy, complex, fictional family set at Christmas time.
06:48And so it's really a story about how a family do come together against sort of all odds in many ways
06:55because there are lots of family dynamics at play that are quite challenging.
07:00And they have to make it okay so they can make it good for this woman to leave them all behind,
07:06knowing that they're all going to be all right.
07:08And it was just an extraordinary experience.
07:11And he'd written this script and he handed it to me and he was like,
07:13oh, you know, I've written this thing and it's probably not very good.
07:17Maybe you'll just read it and then lie if you think it's crap, you know.
07:21And I read it and it was very much not crap.
07:25And I said, well, you've written a film and we're going to make it.
07:29And he's like, no, mum, don't do that mum thing.
07:35And I said, no, this is what we're going to do.
07:38He worked on it some more and Netflix showed some interest and we're like,
07:42oh, my God, it's real.
07:43And I suddenly realised I couldn't let it go.
07:45And so here I am, 50 years old, and I'm now a female director.
07:49And I'm very proud. Well done you, very good.
07:51APPLAUSE
07:55Well, the clip we have is you breaking the news about your mother's illness
07:59to one of your sisters, played by Toni Collette.
08:02Toni Collette, yeah. Hi.
08:04I'm actually teaching my holistic dance therapy.
08:06So I can't really chit-chat, but how are you?
08:08Yeah, Helen, listen to me. Oh, my gosh, Julia.
08:10This class is so incredible for grief.
08:12There's this one man whose wife died because she slipped on an Ikea catalogue
08:17and fell down the stove. I mean, how tragic is that?
08:20She was naked.
08:21Helen, listen, please. Stop. Stop. Just listen.
08:23Mum's... Mum's gone back into hospital.
08:26What?
08:27Um, Connor just called me.
08:28Oh, my God.
08:29She couldn't breathe and they're just trying to figure out what's gone on.
08:31I'm just heading out of the house now, just leaving.
08:33Oh, my God.
08:34Right now.
08:35OK, OK. Um...
08:36OK.
08:37Oh, God, breathe.
08:38She's at the Princess Mary, but I do actually think you should come if you can.
08:40I think... If you can.
08:41I'll just come straight there.
08:42I'll just... I'll get a plane today and I'll bring some, um, Florida water and sage to clear out Mum's room
08:48and some crystals for healing and I'll pick up some orange squash for her
08:51because I know she loves you.
08:52Great. Bring some orange. Loves it.
08:53Bring some orange squash, definitely, yeah.
08:54OK, great.
08:55Listen, you just let me know what time you get in. Text me.
08:57I can't believe it. So...
08:58I mean, can you tell me...
08:59Bye. Bye, bye, bye.
09:00Fuck me.
09:01You mentioned some of the other people in Andrew Risberg, Johnny Flynn, Timothy Spall.
09:13Timothy Spall, yes.
09:14Dame Helen Mirren, I hear she had some reservations or some doubts.
09:18So, it all went through proper channels and agents and I spoke to her on the phone
09:21and I told her the story and I said it was written by my wonderful son
09:25and I was going to direct it and she was listening and listening and she said,
09:28ah, darling, I do have to stop you because actually I've got two personal rules.
09:33I will not play someone with dementia and I won't play someone who has got cancer.
09:38And I said, OK, absolutely fine, totally understand that, which I did.
09:42And I said, there's no need, I won't send you the script.
09:44She said, no, no, do send it, it does sound rather special.
09:47A week later I get an email, she says, I'll break my rule.
09:50I'd love to support you, this is a wonderful, wonderful project.
09:54We've got Helen Mirren to be an awful.
09:56And she's great in the film, she really is amazing.
09:58She's wonderful, yeah.
09:59And I suppose as a director, you know, if you're directing people like Dame Helen Mirren
10:03and to be like, you know, that must make your job kind of easier.
10:05But then, as you say, you did I shit myself is what you're saying.
10:08In a ditch in New Zealand.
10:11There's a red chair waiting for you.
10:13Let's not get on to poo, you always get me on to poo on this show, Grant.
10:17Come on, back in the room, back in the room.
10:18Well, no, the grandchildren, there's a lot of very young grandchildren.
10:22Yes.
10:23I mean, directing them must be like sort of herding cats.
10:26Oh, directing children is the greatest joy.
10:29There's this thing of never work with children and animals.
10:32Working with children is wonderful because children, children bring the joy.
10:36And I also have a theory about kids, unless they are incredibly, incredibly gifted,
10:41actually, you can't teach children to act, but you can just show them how to be
10:46by creating an environment that feels really safe, really playful and encouraging.
10:50They were encouraged not to learn their lines.
10:53They were encouraged to make lots and lots of juicy mistakes.
10:56And I would sometimes say to them things like,
10:58now, you see that hospital bed over there?
11:00I've hidden something in that bed.
11:01And your job in this part of the story is to just find what I've hidden in there.
11:05Haven't hidden a thing.
11:06The children never knew that we were rolling cameras.
11:09And so they were completely natural all of the time.
11:11We would just use hand signals and it was just amazing.
11:14And they loved it and they didn't want it to finish.
11:17And working with children, I mean, as you say, working with children is difficult.
11:21Jacinda, tell us when you discovered you were going to have a baby.
11:28The precise moment, the bathroom.
11:35Well, in New Zealand, election night, it's not always clear
11:39whether or not you have been successful.
11:41So in 2017, I somewhat unexpectedly became leader of my party,
11:46campaigned hard and on election night,
11:49didn't know whether or not we'd managed to clinch government.
11:53So we went into a period of negotiations
11:55and they take about two weeks typically.
11:58I was about three days shy of those talks concluding
12:01and finding out if I was the Prime Minister of New Zealand
12:05when I found out I was pregnant.
12:08Is that actually true?
12:09That's actually true.
12:10Oh, my God.
12:11You're even more amazing.
12:13I'm really glad you've gone there
12:15because you could say that's terrible planning.
12:17It was. It was.
12:20But women, we just get on with it, don't we? Come on.
12:23That's right. That's right.
12:24And it was just like that.
12:25You just had to take every day as it came
12:27because then three days later, live on the 6pm news,
12:30the minor party we were negotiating with
12:32declared that I would be the Prime Minister.
12:34And it was only me and my husband
12:36that knew that I'd do it while having a baby.
12:38So even when you were being sworn in...
12:40Oh, my God, she is amazing!
12:41You are so amazing!
12:44When you were being...
12:46Well, I could probably add,
12:47he wasn't actually my husband at the time either.
12:50Even more amazing!
12:52I misheard and I thought you said
12:54it wasn't even my husband.
12:57Funny story.
12:59So it was awkward.
13:01It was awkward.
13:02Hilarious.
13:03But you weren't able to tell people
13:06by the time you were being sworn in.
13:07No.
13:08No.
13:09No.
13:10And at that point,
13:11by the time I was being sworn in
13:14and we had then a very official regal ceremony at Parliament
13:18to open up Parliament
13:20and the Governor-General comes in
13:22and gives a speech from the throne
13:23and for that moment she faces all of Parliament
13:27and then I sit next to her on this side facing out,
13:30the Leader of the Opposition here,
13:32the entire Judiciary,
13:34Leaders of the Armed Forces,
13:36very, very regal.
13:38And the entire time,
13:40I'm thinking,
13:41I'm absolutely going to throw up.
13:44And I'm clocking where my exits are.
13:46I even started thinking,
13:48would anyone believe I just had a bad kebab?
13:53But thankfully,
13:55thankfully I got through
13:56and I got through 20 weeks without telling people.
14:00Wow.
14:01That's amazing.
14:02A lot of flowy blouses.
14:03And because Seth,
14:06your wife,
14:07it wasn't morning sickness,
14:09but on your wedding day was nearly spoiled.
14:11Yeah, she had food poisoning
14:13and we were at our rehearsal dinner
14:16and then she felt terrible
14:18and she said, I don't feel well.
14:19And I said, it's, you trust me,
14:21it's just wedding jitters.
14:23That thing when like a man with no experience
14:26just is very certain.
14:27What's happening?
14:28Having gone to zero days of medical school,
14:30I'm like, trust me,
14:31it's just wedding jitters.
14:32You're very nervous about marriage.
14:34Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14:35And you have every right to be.
14:37No, but she's like,
14:38I think I have food poisoning.
14:39I'm like, I promise you,
14:40it's just jitters,
14:41it's wedding jitters.
14:42And then, you know,
14:43we did sleep in separate beds
14:44at different places
14:45the night before our wedding
14:46as per tradition.
14:47And then in the morning,
14:48I called her.
14:49I'm like, so how are you doing?
14:50She's like, I am in the emergency room.
14:51I do have food poisoning.
14:54But it was the one thing that was so lovely
14:58is that we had,
14:59she really wanted to do a rehearsed first dance
15:01and we're both really terrible dancers.
15:03And we had like gone to a whole like dance class
15:06with a, you know, personal instructor.
15:08And even the instructor who started by saying,
15:10look, anyone can be a dancer
15:11as long as you're in love.
15:12And at the end of the first hour was like,
15:15hum.
15:17And I remember like the night of,
15:20you know, at the wedding
15:21because she did tough it out
15:22and you know,
15:23it was on an IV and she rallied
15:24and the way women do.
15:26And she goes,
15:27I just don't think we can do the first dance.
15:29And I remember being like,
15:30Oh, thank God.
15:31Thank God you ate a bad oyster.
15:33Because Alan, where were you?
15:36Was it Mexico?
15:37I got Montezuma's revenge.
15:39Have you heard that?
15:40Yeah.
15:41Oh my God.
15:42What did you do?
15:43What did you do to Montezuma?
15:44I know.
15:45Listen, it was so bad.
15:46And this sounds like a made up story,
15:48but it's true.
15:49Have you heard of Palenque
15:50where all the Inca monuments are?
15:52I felt,
15:53Oh my God,
15:54I'm going to ship myself.
15:55And then I ran and got some water
15:58and as I came out the bushes,
16:00there was a marathon there
16:02and a woman ran past,
16:03took my bottle of water
16:04and tipped it over her head.
16:06She thought it was one of those people.
16:08Yeah.
16:09Oh no.
16:10I was so dehydrated.
16:12And can I say,
16:13Hotel Capri in Acapulco,
16:15they refused to give me more toilet paper.
16:17Oh!
16:18Oh, that's not nice.
16:19No, Mr. Carr.
16:20No, Mr. Carr.
16:21No, please.
16:22Indeed.
16:23Do you remember that finger boy?
16:25Because it was...
16:26Do you remember the finger boys?
16:27The finger bus is coming.
16:28The finger boys.
16:29I think we're saying the finger boys.
16:30The finger boys.
16:31The finger boys as well.
16:32You're the one.
16:33You're the one.
16:34You're the one.
16:35I remember just...
16:36Use this.
16:37I remember just laying next to the,
16:38next to the toilet and it was coming out both ends
16:40and I was just staring in.
16:41How could it get worse?
16:42And then this party boat came round.
16:43The finger boys are coming.
16:44The finger boys are coming.
16:45Fuck you.
16:46I think, Kate, we must also remind everybody that we'll be seeing you soon in, is it the third
17:03instalment of Avatar.
17:04Correct.
17:05Yes.
17:06This one's called Fire and Ash.
17:08I know.
17:09It doesn't look anything like me.
17:10Every time I see myself in Avatar, I'm like, oh, that is actually me.
17:13No, but they don't make you go and do it. Yes. Yes. Yeah, absolutely
17:17But you can tell it's me from my top lip
17:19I think and because they've kept my beauty mark, which is nice. I mean, it's not animation. It's a proper motion capture
17:25Yeah, this time no holding breath underwater
17:28There was quite a lot of that as well still there was and there was a bit of underwater fighting in this one
17:33But I can't really say anything
17:35Well people can find out on the 19th of December
17:40Avid on fire and ashes on the 19th December and don't forget Kate's film goodbye June that is in cinemas from next Friday. Very good
17:54Brings us a truly extraordinary documentary about her time in office. It's filmed over seven years
18:00It's called Prime Minister and it's out in cinemas today
18:02And before we talk about it, here's just a taste of the trailer. I
18:08Think I have natural levels of anxiety with someone who's 37 years old and who's also pregnant
18:15Every time I got on a plane I would look out a window and I would think from that mountain to that river that is my responsibility
18:25I've three years to do as much as we can but in the back of my mind I thought how am I gonna do this with a baby?
18:32I just feel sorry for myself listening to that because I just have no idea what's coming
18:38Absolutely no idea
18:40There were two groups on the island those who were evacuated and those close to the eruption
18:45We only have six cases at the moment. This can only be described as a terrorist attack
18:52Crises make governments and they break governments
18:55If things went wrong, it was my job to fix it
18:58Wow
19:04It obviously turned into this amazing story but as you said there, you know, you didn't know what was coming
19:10So when you started filming this at the beginning all those years ago, what did you think the film was going to be?
19:16Not this
19:18That's for sure
19:19My my now husband is a broadcaster and so when he was in close proximity to all of these things suddenly happening
19:28He thought well, I should capture this
19:31And I think only he could have
19:34You know helped create what it now is because I would never have otherwise let someone film me as consistently in my pyjamas
19:42Or my bathrobe or at home and behind the scenes
19:47And it's created I hope you know as a story that shows what it's like to lead
19:53And I hope also a story that says that you can lead differently than perhaps the way we see in the world today
20:00Yeah, I mean I have to say there are times when you're quite touchy there are times when you wish Clark
20:05You make that sound like that doesn't happen often
20:08The bulk of the foot
20:10Yeah, and that's because we never had any intention about what would happen with the footage
20:14You know I was doing in New Zealand. We have this great project where archivists call politicians and interview them and they've been doing it for decades
20:23So I was recording these interviews and that was another reason he thought well put some footage in as well
20:28But without a clear idea of what we what would happen with it
20:31And I think that was positive too because otherwise I would I don't think I would have been as open
20:36Yeah, otherwise and so obviously that the thing that kind of brought you to global attention
20:40Was your response to COVID where you shut the borders the quarantine you got it down to zero cases
20:45Yeah, and initially obviously incredibly popular in New Zealand you had this landslide election victory
20:50Yes, yeah, we did 2020 it was almost the election then was almost like a like an election in the middle of a of a war of sorts
20:58It's how it felt in some ways and so it was an unprecedented
21:02Victory but it never felt like victory I kind of thought okay people want us to keep going and so we did but it got harder
21:09Yeah, I mean we were certainly aware of what New Zealand was doing here in America. Were they aware of very much?
21:15So I you know people were lucky enough. I think everybody wanted to go there, you know, that was the place everybody wanted to be and
21:23Yeah, I mean certainly we were jealous anytime
21:25You know you saw a ticker that there was a country with zero cases that seemed like a job well done
21:30You know the New Zealand immigration New Zealand website after a couple of particular elections in the US has crashed
21:39Yeah, people looking into it. Everybody was like are they doing can I be an extra? Are you still looking for a hobbit?
21:46So it began it began very well and people in New Zealand were happy what you're doing and then as time went on cracks began to appear
21:54We've got a second clip from the documentary
21:58I just don't understand how anyone
22:01Could assume that I'm so cavalier about having a whole city and over a million people in lockdown of course
22:08I think about it all the time. I have to take sleeping pills, so I don't think about it all the time
22:20My question is to the Prime Minister does she accept estimates that New Zealand's economy will shrink by 10%
22:28This year while Australia's will fall by less than five the speaker as I've seen I've heard a range of
22:40Simon bridges yelled across the house. She doesn't do the economy
22:47I wanted to punch him in the face
22:49I mean the answer might be obvious, but why was that comment so annoying?
23:01You know because at that time of course we were focused on both and our view was that
23:06You know response uncovered that focused on keeping people alive was also the best response for the economy as well
23:12Um, I should add I'm not a violent person
23:17And and we did get through and so many of the things that they predicted may happen we managed to prevent it was hard
23:24But I still feel proud of that and negative voices began to get louder and there is still this very kind of vociferous
23:30Group in New Zealand who feel very strongly about you
23:33What went wrong? What what what was the tipping point?
23:36I think you know one thing yet again of course we all take responsibility for our own time and in politics and in office
23:44And I so I say this this next thing not to to diminish that but I think we have seen
23:49politics globally shift gears
23:53And I think we have
23:54seen politics, you know carry a lot more grievance from individuals and it's and it's in some ways become more violent and aggressive so
24:01You know, I don't think it was just any one leader that it's experienced that shift. It has shifted
24:07And yet in amongst all of that. I do think we're in a moment in time
24:11And I think in response to that moment in time my pleas for people to not give up on an expectation that politics can be better
24:19Uh that expect decency in politics expect empathy and kindness in your politics
24:24And I do think that we'll return to that as well. I hope that bitterness never comes to the stage
24:28Yeah
24:35Are you worried that this documentary anyone watching it will think dear god?
24:40I'm never going into politics
24:42I do get asked the question would you ever recommend it to a young person?
24:46Absolutely, I would and you know look the the documentary captures the big moments
24:52Yeah, but there was so much joy in between so much joy
24:56Uh, what other job if you're you know if you're
24:59a do-gooder
25:01Like I can be sometimes where you see a problem in the world and you've got the power to do something about it
25:05What other job do you get that gift? So I would absolutely recommend
25:11Politics to to good people and we need more good people in there. So don't shy away
25:17Are you going to go back into politics? No, no
25:23It's a great job do as I say
25:29I did it for 15 years
25:32Yeah, thank you. How young were you when you got into politics?
25:35I was well when I went into parliament. I was 28. Wow. Yeah, so I feel like I did I did my all right
25:41Now it's for the next generation
25:43But listen, it is a fascinating watch. It really really is
25:48Cindy's documentary prime minister is in cinemas now, okay
25:56We turn to mr. Seth Meyers
25:58The award-winning host of late night with seth meyers you can see it here in the uk on weekends on cnbc
26:06So I'm based on that you don't watch it
26:18I was thinking he sounds like a children's channel
26:21Well, thanks for the support graham
26:24It's also available on youtube. Yeah, yeah, that's easier. Yeah, well if you go to america you can be on it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, perfect worked out for you
26:30Yeah, it's a celebrity talk show. It is like this but once a year seth meyers you break your booking policy
26:40Oh, yes, I have my uh, well once a year on thanksgiving. It's very hard to book obviously on thanksgiving
26:45And so when I started my show I started with my parents and my brother are on every year
26:50And uh, it's very lovely
26:51But then this year we we went a little bit further and I had my children on the show who were young
26:56They're nine seven and four wow and uh, I did not tell them they were going to be on the show
27:01Uh, I gave them no warning because I thought they would get stressed
27:04They were actually in the building to take their christmas card photo
27:07And I just sort of low-key said let's just have three microphones ready and we pre-taped it a week early
27:12Um, but after our first guest that night was cynthia revo and the kids had finished their photo and I go just come out daddy's gonna ask you some questions and uh
27:21It was
27:23Six minutes. It's the most white knuckle interview I've ever done
27:25Uh, we brought a little clip. Uh, here's seth and the meyer children. Yeah. Well, how did you guys, uh, did you get here by uh, in a car or a subway axel?
27:34Car. Gotcha. What about you took the subway?
27:38We came at different times. You came at different times? Addy, did you like the subway?
27:43Yeah, the subway, um, smells like diarrhea
27:54So huge! Yeah
27:56You see, children bring the joy!
27:58Children bring the joy!
28:00My oldest was the one who was the most I think um, had the most anxiety about doing it and as we walked off
28:06He just like took my arm. He goes, that was great. Should we should do it again soon?
28:11Thank you very much. And they just like got the bug. Is that the son who thinks he's going to inherit?
28:15Yeah, my son said to me once he goes dad, I have a question. I said, what's your question? He said when you die, do I get your show?
28:22And I'm like based on the diarrhea answer your sister gets the show
28:28And I said before the talk show in america you were very famous because of of course saturday night live. Yeah
28:38It was on when I was a on the show. Oh my god, I was can I just say when I was on it was absolutely terrifying
28:43I think it's terrifying for everybody. Am I allowed to quickly tell the story?
28:45Yeah, even though this is totally unplanned. No go when I was on it was the week after ashley simpson
28:51was done for lip-syncing. Yeah, right
28:54I'm then on with eminem. Okay, I was doing publicity for a film called finding neverland at the time
29:00And johnny depp and I had to miss the wednesday rehearsal because we had to go to chicago and talk to oprah
29:05And i'm thinking oh my god, what's the opening monologue going to be?
29:07I get to wednesday night come back from the oprah thing still they're like, well, we're just you know trying to figure it out
29:13I'm like just please tell me it's you know, it's a couple of days away
29:17Just what you're going to have me do the next day. I go in and they like
29:21Can you sing and I said i'm a little you know ish kind of do you dance i'm like i mean yeah
29:26Like do you tap dance i'm like yeah, yeah, I do it perfect
29:30I'm like so what what's the opening model of it? We'll get back to you. I'm like oh my god
29:35This is absolutely terrible they gave me 24 hours to learn nothing's impossible
29:40I have found for when i i'm tap dancing and singing fully live the week after the whole ashley simpson thing
29:47Also, i have to say something else and this is a story i've never never told eminem asked me to shave his bottom
29:56There's always like a poo bum theme for me when i come on the show
29:59Was it like a handheld razor?
30:01Well, he did he said would you shave my butt and i said i'm sorry i don't i don't do personal grooming like what
30:06I'm not gonna go with a bick and get your crackluck honestly that's my never told that story before ever in my life in public
30:16There you go
30:18And can i say should have said yes well the door's open should have said yes when she said no i did say yes
30:26I was early in the show i would do anything
30:34Was that tip is that typical that hosts get stuff really late?
30:37Yes it speaks to the legacy of the show that people keep sort of opting into the
30:41The terrifying week that it is but i think if you what you know if we didn't have kind of a little bit of fear
30:46I think like even you like we wouldn't we wouldn't do any of this because i think the fear motivates you
30:51Why are you looking at me like that?
30:53I don't know what you're talking about
30:55He looks terrifying
31:01I lost fear in about 1997
31:05We did have a we used to say like whenever a host wasn't nervous we knew the show was about to be a disaster hello
31:11We won
31:16I was married i was married to sam mendes at the time joe's dad and i said to him please please don't come just
31:21Just just don't it's really fine i don't need you to come he's like no okay fine he bloody well came
31:27I walked through the doors at the back and i go like this and all i see is sam sat there going
31:33Oh my god it was really horrifying actually
31:41Your connection with uh snl continues because you do a podcast yes uh the yeah yes with andy samberg uh kate's co-star in lee
31:49Oh yes because you yes old andy yeah he's wonderful he was in lee with you yes he was indeed
31:55And samberg is he your friend he's one of my oldest dearest friends yeah but what's the thing and
32:01I don't want to make you sad but yeah i know your your dog died yeah my dog 14 years old frisbee
32:07Yeah and andy samberg he hated that yeah so
32:13He hated my dog and he met my dog when she was a puppy and he said on the day he met her she's a ugly rat dog
32:20And then every single time he came on my show he basically would just say how's frisbee that piece of shit
32:25No you would love to say that yeah no he's a bad guy but um he he basically doubled down and doubled down
32:33I mean having your kids on i guess yeah
32:39I will be honest the dog was not as uh electric as the kids
32:43But it was like andy leaned into the not even looking at you no
32:52Yeah no frisbee wasn't a good desk but he really just doubled down on the comedy of hating my dog
32:57And then uh i kept saying like you know this dog is 13 years old and are you do you think you can weather the storm
33:03Of hating a dog that recently passed and he goes i'm gonna ride it out and then i will say when frisbee
33:09Passed away i called up andy and i'm like well that awkward day has come and he's like i'm really sorry how are your kids
33:14I'm like everybody's okay he's like okay i'm i am gonna still publicly say she was
33:19A rat dog
33:20And the new york times it was the i mean i have it framed because the new york times wrote an article that said seth meyer's dog and andy samberg's nemesis
33:29Passes away and i'm like i cannot believe the most famous thing about my dog is that you hated her
33:34Because alan you've got a new dog yes yes i got a rescue dog and uh she's completely deaf
33:42And um she was meant to be a guard dog and of course she's dumped and she's deaf so they gave me a lead
33:46Which says i am deaf on it so i'm walking around the park and people are going what's her breed
33:52And i know the dog's deaf and i start mouthing the dog
34:04She's got like a bright collar because she's got no recall she's got bells it's like taking a ufo for a walk
34:11She's glowing all around holly park
34:13I don't know how i would react differently knowing a dog is deaf as a person just walking past you in a park like that
34:20That's deaf for cheese for dogs okay what that's what the woman said cheese
34:27Well that's deaf that woman said that's deaf the deaf dog cheese okay
34:31That's deaf for dog yeah that's all you say to your dog is cheese
34:35She won't is that to send her out to the store jeez
34:41Also it seems like if the dog wants cheese they would need to sign it to you
34:47It's a new dog don't give me stress
34:52I like that's the one word
34:55I'll give you cheese you can work out the rest yourself there you go be fine
35:00Seth it is so great to have you all the couch thank you i'm so happy to be here don't forget you can
35:04Watch late night with seth myers weekends on cnbc
35:16Meanwhile alan carr is back on the road for his new tour it's called have i said too much but we should say
35:24Tickets are on sale i think today yes but it'll be a while before they can go
35:29Yes 2027
35:33I'm a slow writer i'm a slow writer
35:36Do you know what i was going to call the show national traitor
35:39Ooh but you know i've got to stop milking it
35:45I've got to let it go and i i think if i die i'll be like oh look there's that bloke who wore that cloak that's what they're going to say
35:53You know better than being andy sandberg's nemesis
35:58Now your last tour to go all over the world did you end up in new zealand yes new zealand austria
36:03Now what's that hotel in new zealand which you can bungee jump off the top oh that's in
36:11Auckland was at the sky tower yes they can bungee jump off the top of the hotel i'm there unpacking i'm
36:19Seeing people screaming
36:24And then i see them come back and i'm like how shit is this hotel
36:29Oh my god i wanted a double bed
36:34So yeah i mean i i always stay there maybe the sky yes yes yeah so i always go everywhere and um
36:41Yeah i love it i love it there's no theme there's only a bit about me being single but traitor stuff and stuff
36:47I never have themes i just when my notebook is full of jokes i just go on tour just every three years
36:53I love it i just love the freedom of it all yeah and i obviously people will want you to talk about uh
36:58celebrity trainers and were you no offense but were you as surprised as everyone else when you won
37:07when i laughed in their face
37:11i'm a faithful
37:13I really thought when i go around that table they're all just gonna say alan alan alan yes they
37:18didn't are they stupid
37:21Are they so stupid and then it then i started crying because it was lit nick muhammad's face he was like
37:27we got this we got this and i'm like no i've got this
37:30Have any of you seen this the celebrity i've not seen this season no no no i saw the eight minutes as a real
37:39Me too and i saw celia and refart oh my god i was changed to her i couldn't move
37:49And we have to talk about paloma because she did not find it funny no no
37:54Has she got over it she had and i saw her yesterday we did some silly sketches and stuff like that but you know
38:01Like i said to her i said it's a game it's called the traitors it's like going on like you know
38:06What's it called naked attraction and saying what i've got to take my knickers off
38:09We've got a picture of you and paloma last night oh wow oh
38:15oh my god i think i know who you're being
38:22i could not get that foundation off
38:26okay we are friends that's just smiling it's claudia winkelman
38:31you know what i had a feeling
38:33i've got a question how do they as a tv show how do they inform you that it's going to be you before
38:41the show how does that all happen you sit there okay i'll show you yeah go on oh my god you're
38:48blindfolded this is claudia yeah blindfolded she's she's so light on her feet yes like a cart horse
38:57yeah
38:58ah
38:59that's what happened yes did you not nearly have a heart attack well you clearly haven't seen it i went
39:09i nearly chewed through my lip with panic
39:11you don't have a really cheap white wine
39:16and do you really not know before that moment at all no no and you don't know who it is and then
39:22you go into the turret and you go and there was jonathan ross there and cat and then i watched
39:27about i didn't realize how loud i was because i've done my first murder and i said to jonathan
39:34i've done it
39:38do you realize how loud i am inside voice
39:44i think we need a new hitman
39:47and it's going to be loads for you to talk about in your new show uh so get writing it a reminder
39:52tickets for alan's uh upcoming tour of i said too much are on sale now hey it is time for music
39:58and this mercury prize nominated singer songwriter also murdered her way to the final of celebrity
40:03traders uh here performing there's just something about her it is kat burns
40:18let me tell you about a girl i don't really do this but i can't keep it to myself she turns every
40:26head in the room oh god she's something else i lose all my composure this ain't nothing but i felt
40:33i need some help cause i'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts intrusive
40:45live living free in my mind there's just something about her i can't put my finger on it but every time she looks
40:57looks at me can't help it i just found it there's something about her and i wonder if she knows it
41:04cause i lose all ability to talk it's like she's magic there's just something about her
41:10i just don't understand you're so perfectly made it's like oh she had a plan
41:23have i missed my chance with you you must be in demand i'm trying to keep it cool but i do anything i can
41:31i'm not sound like a fan because i'm not sure how you do it in my thoughts intrusive living
41:43when free in my mind there's just something about her i can't put my finger on it but every time she looks at me
41:56i can't help it i just panicked there's something about her and i wonder if she knows it
42:02cause i lose all ability to talk it's like she's magic there's just something about her
42:08something about me
42:14there's just something about her
42:19something about her
42:20i
42:24do something to me
42:26i lose it like a groupie
42:28you do something to me
42:30i'm never like this usually
42:32you do something to me
42:35i lose it like a groupie
42:36you do something to me
42:41i can't put my finger on it
42:43but every time she looks at me
42:45i can't help it
42:46i just panic
42:47there's something about her
42:49and i wonder if she knows it
42:52cause i lose all ability to talk it's like she's magic
42:56there's something about her
43:00something about her
43:04there's just something about her
43:08there's something about her
43:10oh
43:24oh
43:26oh
43:28oh
43:30oh
43:32oh
43:34oh
43:36oh
43:38oh
43:48congratulations
43:49that sounded so good live
43:51thank you very much
43:52that is the single there's just something about her
43:55and that's from a new album
43:56how to be human
43:57yes
43:57which is out now right yeah yeah yeah
44:00and you talked about this album and saying oh is about heartbreak
44:04but you didn't want it to be a sad album
44:06no i mean it the album's about grief and heartbreak i lost my grandad last spring
44:11and i think i wanted to showcase the first year of what grief can look like
44:17and i remember watching a video of andrew garfield and he said that grief is just love with no home
44:23and i just thought that was really beautiful and i was like i need to make a project based on that
44:29um and then that's how it came to be so it's sad but it's also hopeful at the same time
44:33i saw that andrew garfield it was on um that was on stephen colbert was in america on the america talk show yeah
44:39so here you are together uh cat and alan and uh
44:43and um
44:45now i feel bad i feel bad talking about celebrity videos again
44:48i feel like i'm torturing you three you're kind of like oh dear god
44:51alan alan did say please don't bring it up again maybe just one more time
44:59a cloak behind the sofa
45:03so at that moment when you both voted for jonathan to be banished had you talked about that beforehand
45:10the two of you well i think i i was running with the big dog theory so i was like if i don't
45:16fucking big dog theory jesus once stephen was gone i was like to jonathan i'm gonna have to do you and
45:23he was like i know so it was like i got to say something but i don't i think it was probably a
45:27shock that you did it i didn't know what i was doing i didn't know i was just pleased i got the name
45:35spelt right i mean it was such a bad advertisement for strategy and they were sitting there going
45:42these traitors are so clever you know the way we were just like we didn't know what was going on
45:49yeah uh cat you're going on tour i am in april wow so soon unlike your friend
45:58you can buy tickets and remember you've got them
46:02next spring yeah and absolutely tickets are gone or about almost so get your tickets yes
46:08yes and cat good luck with the tour and thank you very much for being thanks for that great
46:13performance thank you cat burns everybody
46:19that is it for tonight no time for red chairs i'm afraid so please thank the rest of my guests alan
46:26seth myers
46:28join me next week with music guest jade fashion guru edward ennenville comedy genius rowan atkinson
46:43double oscar winner emma thompson and hollywood superstar timothy chalamet i'll see you then good
46:48that ready goodbye go behind the week's headlines with unexpected guests satirical silliness and
46:59mischief with andrew hunter murray listen to friday night comedy the naked week now on sounds
47:18dance
47:22're ready for me
47:24uh
47:27you
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