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00:00:01This is the gunman from Berkeley last night.
00:00:05You police have took too much off me over the years.
00:00:09OK.
00:00:11I'm coming to get you. I'm not on the run. I am coming to get you.
00:00:30I was in Sunderland Police Station, a relatively quiet night, nothing really to report.
00:00:54I was working with a young sergeant at about 20 to 3 in the morning.
00:00:57I said, let's get our coats on. It's time to get out of the building and go home, get some sleep.
00:01:03Are we ready to go? And he said, no, somebody's been shot in Berkeley in Gateshead.
00:01:07And the control room are on the phone now, and they need to speak to you right now.
00:01:14A 999 call was received. This is what we would call a dynamic situation.
00:01:19It's developing on the phone as you're speaking.
00:01:22I need you to calm down.
00:01:24Hold me up, you're killing people.
00:01:28The information at that time was there's a man outside and he is shooting people, he is killing people.
00:01:33You cannot send unarmed cops to that. You've got to send armed cops.
00:01:36There was somebody in urgent need of medical care on the ground outside who, it appeared, had been shot.
00:01:47And it became apparent that there was someone else in the house who had been shot through a window.
00:01:50The initial assessments were that the female had a gunshot injury to her left arm and her abdomen.
00:02:02She was described as critically ill and required urgent medical attention, so she was removed to hospital.
00:02:10The male had gunshot injuries to his torso and to his head.
00:02:16It was quickly obvious that he had been shot dead.
00:02:18I'd just had a few days away from work and I got a call from the news desk asking me if I would do some overtime.
00:02:30And the story had broken.
00:02:32I parked my car close to a main road and just walked the last few steps into the estate.
00:02:41And it looked like, you know, quite a neat council estate.
00:02:45The kind of place where children would all play on the green together outside.
00:02:51And I got the impression that the families who lived around the green were all fairly close.
00:02:59The police had told us that there were three people downstairs in the living area.
00:03:07So it was the mum, it was the daughter and it was the daughter's boyfriend.
00:03:11And they'd been watching television and just chatting into the early hours when this horrible violence was visited upon them.
00:03:24And it came out of nowhere as far as they were concerned.
00:03:31The victim was a lad called Christopher Brown.
00:03:35Christopher Brown.
00:03:38And the female was Samantha Staubard.
00:03:41And Christopher Brown was her new boyfriend.
00:03:45Critically, the mother of Samantha Staubard named the attacker is a man called Raoul Mote.
00:03:54Raoul Mote was the ex-partner of Samantha Staubard.
00:04:00So very quickly we could see we were looking at a domestic style.
00:04:04Attack here.
00:04:10What the witnesses were saying was that an individual had confronted the couple.
00:04:17Shot the male.
00:04:19And as the male tried to run away, followed him, reloaded his gun and shot him again in cold blood.
00:04:26And he was lying in a grassed area in the middle of the houses.
00:04:29The evidence to me suggested that Christopher was targeted.
00:04:38And certainly the attack, I would describe as a cold blooded assassination.
00:04:46Raoul Mote then turned his attention to the female and he fired through the window and hit her.
00:04:53He then quite calmly walked away for the scene.
00:05:04My name's Jamie. I was a colleague and a friend of Christopher Brown.
00:05:09The morning of July the 3rd, I made my way over to Samantha's house.
00:05:18As I went to go to her house, I remember seeing the whole area cordoned off with police tape.
00:05:26So I was wondering what was going on.
00:05:30I tried phoning Chris to see if I could get hold of him.
00:05:36Um, but to no answer.
00:05:39I realized that I couldn't just walk across the grass area towards Samantha's house.
00:05:46I knew that if I went round the streets, I could get to the back of her house.
00:05:52I remember knocking on the back door and a neighbor shouting over,
00:06:01are you looking for Samantha?
00:06:04I said, yeah, do you know where they are?
00:06:07And I initially thought he said they'd gone to the shop.
00:06:12Um, I asked which shop in case, you know, they might still be there.
00:06:17He then said, no, someone's been shot.
00:06:25A detective came and spoke to me.
00:06:29I was sitting in the back of a car.
00:06:33And that's, that's when she told me that, that Chris had been shot dead.
00:06:40And that Samantha had been shot and was critically wounded in hospital.
00:06:54There's no sign of the weapon.
00:06:56So our working assumption is that he's traveling somewhere
00:07:00and he's got the firearm in his possession.
00:07:02Therefore the threat still exists.
00:07:04What we didn't know at the time, this wasn't anybody.
00:07:08This was a particularly ill-motivated, cold-blooded killer that was out there.
00:07:17You immediately have a manhunt.
00:07:19You know who you're looking for.
00:07:21The next question is, where is he?
00:07:24And how can we catch him?
00:07:26As soon as possible, safely as possible, before he injures anybody else.
00:07:30This is a major incident. Someone's been killed. So there's a homicide.
00:07:34Someone else has been very badly injured with a firearm.
00:07:36And the suspect is on the run.
00:07:37We've got the helicopter up. We're using everything we have.
00:07:41There were dozens and dozens of people. In all spheres.
00:07:42So, you know, the investigation team, they were out. The intelligence team were out.
00:07:45The scenes of crime people were out. The lead investigator were out.
00:07:50And the lead investigator, they were out.
00:07:54And the investigation team, they were out. The intelligence team were out.
00:07:58The scenes of crime people were out. The lead investigator was there, making decisions about what to do first.
00:08:16In the early stages, Moat's house was searched. There was evidence of shotgun ammunition.
00:08:27There was a strange situation where there's a noose in the loft, as if somebody wanted to hang themself.
00:08:34There was some suicide notes or notes with suicidal thoughts on them.
00:08:39There was an indication that he might be somewhat paranoid because he had his house covered in CCTV.
00:08:47There were some associates and family members. And we looked at all of those in terms of trying to trace them.
00:08:53But, of course, none of those provided any fruit.
00:08:56The forensic examination of the scene in the subsequent hours revealed shotgun residue, shotgun cartridges.
00:09:06And there was a bag at the scene underneath the window of the house.
00:09:09And there was a telephone, which was later attributed to being Raoul Moat's telephone.
00:09:16You've also got all your witnesses around the scene.
00:09:19People in the area woke up and were alerted to what was going on.
00:09:23And some people had very clear views of what was happening.
00:09:27So they had to be seen and spoken to.
00:09:29There was no firearm left at the scene.
00:09:36So the manhunt becomes all the more difficult and dangerous because you're hunting someone who's quite clearly willing to use a gun in front of witnesses.
00:09:46Extreme level of violence. Cold bloodied. And that tells me that the offender was, I'm no psychologist, but was probably quite psychopathic and brutal in his approach to what he was doing and quite determined.
00:10:00A couple of days after Chris had been killed, I actually got a phone call from the police force asking if I could be the one to formally identify Chris.
00:10:17That's probably one of the worst things about it, is still having that vision of seeing Chris.
00:10:24And, um, yeah, knowing that that was my friend that was there and that had had his life cut short for no reason.
00:10:41Raoul Moat's personality and the life that he led, details of that, quickly started to emerge.
00:10:49The fact that he'd been a nightclub bouncer, that he was a former bodybuilder.
00:10:56He could turn from someone who was relatively rational and calm into a violent thought.
00:11:08It took a lot of steroids to help him bulk up as big as possible.
00:11:11And people who knew him well just described him as a massive man.
00:11:14He was six foot three tall, a very imposing character.
00:11:17He was known to Northumbria police.
00:11:20He had a bit of domestic abuse history and low level assault.
00:11:26However, it is significant that his last arrest was for assault on a young person.
00:11:32For which he later received 18 week sentence of imprisonment.
00:11:37And for me, it shows you the type of person you're dealing with.
00:11:40It's somebody who's willing to assault women and assault children.
00:11:48Moat had a very complex relationship history.
00:11:52He'd had multiple partners, multiple children.
00:11:54He was a very difficult person to live with.
00:11:57None of the relationship lasted.
00:11:59His relationship with Samantha did last quite a number of years.
00:12:01They met when she was about 16-year-old.
00:12:05He worked on the doors.
00:12:06She was attending the night clubs in Newcastle.
00:12:09They got together.
00:12:11She moved in with them in 2005-ish when she was 17-year-old.
00:12:16They had a child together.
00:12:17This is Raoul Moat.
00:12:31And this is an audio log, a record.
00:12:33What I'm doing, what I'm thinking.
00:12:35I like Sam a lot from where before we went out.
00:12:38Me and Sam started seeing each other in 2005.
00:12:41Sam was different.
00:12:42You know, we loved each other.
00:12:45And we were inseparable.
00:12:46Absolutely inseparable.
00:12:48However, there was a lot of unreported domestic abuse
00:12:52through their relationship.
00:12:54He was very prone to jealousy.
00:12:57He was very jealous about any interaction she had with other people.
00:13:01Incidents of assaults, controlling behaviour.
00:13:05Trying to keep on top of wherever she was going
00:13:09or if she was out of friends.
00:13:10I mean, there was one day when I've lost it.
00:13:13I've pushed her and she's hit the floor and she's split her head.
00:13:16You know, I was gutted.
00:13:18Absolutely gutted, you know.
00:13:20I'm pissed off, you know, with myself.
00:13:22As a result, the relationship started to break down
00:13:25and she moved out in 2009.
00:13:29Although they were separate,
00:13:33Raoul was never convinced that the relationship was over
00:13:36and was always intent on getting back together again.
00:13:41And the problem for Samantha in trying to sever the relationship
00:13:45was the child, she was giving him access to the child.
00:13:49So they always had this contact.
00:13:51And during the contact, all he wanted was to get Samantha back to him.
00:13:54He was obsessed by her and wanted her back.
00:13:59I used to go around and give her flowers.
00:14:02It showed that I do love her, you know, and I do care.
00:14:05If you want to call it obsession, call it obsession.
00:14:08I would just call it, like, deep-seated love, you know?
00:14:12Missing her, needing her, and that kind of thing.
00:14:15I couldn't take her out of me mind.
00:14:19She's like a group to me, you know?
00:14:23In 2010, when he'd gone to prison, she'd just had enough.
00:14:27She wanted to be away from him,
00:14:29but she didn't really know how to extricate herself
00:14:31from this difficult relationship.
00:14:33And he didn't like the fact that she wasn't coming in to visit him.
00:14:37I think there was an incident in the visiting area
00:14:39where she refused to give out either a kiss or cuddle him.
00:14:43And I think that sent him back to his cells quite angry.
00:14:47And it appeared to me that when he was in prison,
00:14:49that was her opportunity to finally say,
00:14:54Raoul, this has finished, it's over.
00:14:56And I think when Samantha eventually revealed
00:14:59that she had a new boyfriend,
00:15:01that sent him on the spiral to find out who he was
00:15:06and to do him some harm.
00:15:07He was gripped by this paranoid rage
00:15:10that he needed to take some action because he'd lost his girlfriend.
00:15:13Mote was refusing to, A, accept the relationship was over,
00:15:17and B, accept that she would have the audacity
00:15:20to have a new love interest, a new boyfriend.
00:15:23She was clearly trying to use that time when he was in prison
00:15:27to put an end to the relationship for good.
00:15:29I started karate, I think I was around eight or nine years old.
00:15:39And once I got into it, I really, really got into it,
00:15:42and I loved it from that moment.
00:15:45When I was going through training on becoming an instructor,
00:15:49Chris was the person that I was to shadow,
00:15:54and that's how we became friends as well.
00:15:58With training, he was quite a scary guy.
00:16:01Very loud, very focused.
00:16:04But outside of training as a person,
00:16:08he was a really friendly, gentle, funny guy.
00:16:12Always great to be around, always trying to make you laugh.
00:16:15Yeah, he was a very positive person to be around.
00:16:20Chris met Sam.
00:16:22We were canvassing around the area that she'd lived.
00:16:26Chris got Samantha, signed up for the classes.
00:16:30That's how those two first met.
00:16:32And you could see that there was a spark between them.
00:16:36She had a really bubbly personality.
00:16:39She was really friendly.
00:16:41She loved to have a laugh.
00:16:42I think that's probably one of the main reasons
00:16:45that he was attracted to her.
00:16:49I knew that Samantha had spoken to her ex-partner about Chris,
00:16:57and that she was happy,
00:16:58and that she told her ex-partner to leave them alone.
00:17:01What became apparent was Samantha, when she was speaking to Raoul,
00:17:07I think one of her mechanisms for protecting herself was she told Raoul that Christopher Brown was a police officer.
00:17:14She'd said that for understandable reasons, because she hoped that it would put Raoul Moat off and give her some protection.
00:17:21Because she knew just how violent he could be.
00:17:30She thought that by telling him that her new partner was a police officer, he'd back off.
00:17:35Moat being Moat, it was the complete opposite. It was a red rag to a bull.
00:17:38And it sort of really drove him on to seek revenge.
00:17:43He started planning to kill or cause serious harm to Christopher and Samantha from his prison cell.
00:17:53He was getting one of his friends to try and do some surveillance and go and sit at Samantha's house and try and find out who this boyfriend is,
00:18:06what he looks like, what car he might be driving.
00:18:10And his efforts to try and identify Christopher started at that early stage from within prison.
00:18:15He asked a friend to get a car with six wheels on his release.
00:18:25It looked like prison code for him to source a gun for his release.
00:18:30Because I don't know of any cars that have six wheels.
00:18:33He thought he'd lost everything. He thought he'd lost access to his children because of the child he'd been convicted of.
00:18:39He'd lost his partner. He's lost his property.
00:18:41In his mind, he's got nothing more to lose.
00:18:44So he's going to go out in a blaze of glory by taking revenge against the people that he sees are at the heart of triggering this huge loss in his life, which is Samantha and her new partner.
00:18:58In normal circumstances, when you get a manhunt like this, they normally take hours and there's normally a trail to follow.
00:19:06But this whole thing went strangely quiet. There was nobody telling us anything about him.
00:19:12There was no telephone to follow because he had left it at the scene.
00:19:15We had no vehicles because all these vehicles were accounted for.
00:19:18We were fishing in a very, very, very big ocean trying to find him.
00:19:22Then, in the early hours of Sunday morning, the control room at Northumbria Police received a 999 call.
00:19:33And it was from a man claiming to be Rahul Mote.
00:19:36Hello there. This is the gunman from Berkeley last night. My name is Rahul Mote.
00:19:42And what I'm talking about is to tell you exactly why I've done what I've done, right?
00:19:47Now, my girlfriend has been having an affair behind my back with one of your officers, this gentleman that I shot last night.
00:19:52He said, I'm the gunman from Berkeley. In his mind, he was convinced that the police were out to get him and he couldn't let that thought go.
00:20:05He admitted shooting Christopher Brown, who he believed was a police officer, and declared that he hated Northumbria Police.
00:20:12So, I wouldn't have shot him. OK.
00:20:17I went to jail, right? OK.
00:20:19I was picked up by you for hitting your kid, which I didn't do.
00:20:22And meanwhile, when I'm doing that for my missus, she's having an affair with one of your officers.
00:20:26And you police have took too much off me over the years.
00:20:29You've been passing with me for so many years.
00:20:31They've come anywhere near me and I'll do this.
00:20:33I'm coming to get you, I'm not on the run. I am coming to get you.
00:20:36Because I am hunting for officers now.
00:20:38And that's when he makes the chilling threat that he's hunting police officers.
00:20:44He made it quite clear in that call that he would stop any police officer who got in his way.
00:20:53Well, the staff are very concerned. They're worried.
00:20:56Every police officer that goes out of the building is potentially a target of this man who's still active and on the run with a gun.
00:21:07And not afraid to use it.
00:21:08And not afraid to use it.
00:21:10And not afraid to use it to change your car.
00:21:11I am.
00:21:12I am.
00:21:13I am.
00:21:14I am.
00:21:15I am.
00:21:16I am.
00:21:17I am.
00:21:19And my police officer is a guy who can so be used to be used.
00:21:21In my own生活, it's the police officer on the phone.
00:21:22Look at me, there's my police officer who's been told.
00:21:37Volvo T5 police car that was parked just on the Western Bypass to the west of Newcastle
00:21:45It's a place that's quite common for emergency vehicles to sit because it's got a big paved area
00:21:50So David was sitting there monitoring traffic coming back and forward. That's what David was doing. He was doing his job and more
00:21:58effectively creeped up on him and took him by surprise and
00:22:03David became aware of
00:22:05something at his left-hand side and he turned and
00:22:09There was a gun put up against the window and it was fired and it hit him in the face
00:22:20And mort and this again goes back to his his mindset and his
00:22:26brutality and cold-bloodedness shot him again and that hit him in the shoulder
00:22:31He fell into the footwell, but he was able to hit his emergency button and it start shouting for assistance
00:22:42It's really rare for police officers to be shot at in the UK fortunately
00:23:01But to be shot at
00:23:05at point-blank range
00:23:08whilst parked in his police car. Wow
00:23:12Absolutely incredible. It was clear in my head at that time that the investigation had now escalated to a whole new level
00:23:20David Rathband had been shot in the face
00:23:27simply because he was a police officer
00:23:30You know he was taken to hospital
00:23:33And the atmosphere changed
00:23:35It was quite somber and emotional
00:23:38There was
00:23:39Police officers of lots of experience
00:23:42Found it very difficult
00:23:44to accept that a cop had been shot
00:23:46He was critically ill
00:23:47And there was a bit of emotion there
00:23:54I don't mind admitting
00:23:56It just shows that the police officers are human and
00:24:02I think it gets rightly or wrongly it gets personal
00:24:05when one of your colleagues gets shot
00:24:08Rightly or wrongly
00:24:10But there was a determination
00:24:11I'm going to need more firearms officers
00:24:17so we're trying to get some of them out of their beds at four five six o'clock in the morning and make sure that they are
00:24:24suitably briefed and deployed as soon as as soon as possible the need
00:24:29for firearms officers to search houses or locations
00:24:34just went through the roof i remember colleagues from south yorkshire from the metropolitan police
00:24:40from merseyside police from greater manchester so armed officers were coming from forces all over england
00:24:48to support us in that policing operation
00:24:51there was a growing sense of
00:24:54man on the run you know somebody who's armed who's exceptionally dangerous it
00:25:01vastly increased that public interest in the story there's no two doubts about that
00:25:08this wasn't a regional story this was a national story
00:25:15astonishingly mo then makes a second call
00:25:18are you taking me serious now i've just told your officer the roundabout of the west end of newcastle yeah
00:25:24yeah well i'm going to destroy a few ladies like you've destroyed me
00:25:29i'm going to keep coming for you you're going to have to kill me right
00:25:33i'm never going to stop
00:25:35basically they sort of say see i told you so i've done it i've shot a police officer he weren't taking
00:25:39me seriously and he made it clear that he's not going to stop until he completes his mission
00:25:44he's never going to be brought in alive
00:25:47eerie and very threatening you can hear the aggression in his voice the hatred he's convinced
00:25:56that the police have um hounded him to death have made his life a misery um and he's done nothing wrong
00:26:06he's not willing to accept responsibility for anything he's done it's all everybody else's fault
00:26:11it was a very real concern that he would go and identify and shoot another random police officer
00:26:19doing their duty around newcastle he said he was going to do it it was a concern that he would
00:26:24do it we go into almost the form of lockdown police officers are deployed and they only go out in
00:26:31cars they're going out together we're not walking beats singularly this is an awful individual intent
00:26:39on causing as much harm as possible and not afraid you know normally people that are on the run avoid the
00:26:45police on the contrary on this occasion he'd gone after the police it really was unusual and
00:26:53um and very concerning we got a phone call from somebody in newcastle who's saying he's a friend
00:27:01of ralmo and he's got this letter that ralmo's written passed to him and he wants it to be made
00:27:06public we went to this this guy's house we took possession of the letter first reading of it it's
00:27:12just unbelievable the level of detail the background detail the detail of remote's own life and the
00:27:18the constant page by page paranoid rage and rantings and he's targeting on the police and
00:27:25certain phrases leapt out you know about hunting police officers and it clearly brought it home to
00:27:30you that this guy was not going to stop there was going to be further attacks but it went beyond that
00:27:34it made it clear that he'd had issues with his family he was estranged from all of his family apart
00:27:38from his grandmother who brought him up never knew his dad estranged from his mother estranged from his
00:27:42brother he clearly painted a picture of an isolated man who was left on his own he'd lost everything
00:27:48and he was now set on revenge i've had a hard life i've not belonged anywhere i'm estranged massively for
00:27:58my family you know i've lost absolutely everything i mean the kids are treasure but i know i can't have
00:28:05them with some right you know they make me out to be this this dangerous man what is a dangerous man
00:28:13going to do when he's at the like end of his life the random nature of what he'd already done was shocking
00:28:26so i remember there being a distinct feeling that anything could happen
00:28:36i've got two hostages at the minute right come anywhere near me i'll kill them as well
00:28:41moat had mentioned that on the treble nines i've got hostages and it was a bit of a
00:28:47oh moment we might have a genuine hostage situation
00:28:51is this just another ramblings of a maniac but sunday afternoon i was informed that there was an
00:29:01individual saying her brother might be being held hostage then i get another bit of information and it
00:29:09was another family saying we think our son is the hostage of raul moat and that was a very sobering
00:29:17moment because we've now got not only the lives of the public and police officers who he's threatened to
00:29:25kill we've now got two hostages that we need to consider on everything we do moving forward
00:29:31up until that stage the whole investigation was very very over we were appealing to the public we
00:29:40were telling the public stuff through the media in terms of the hostages their safety and their life
00:29:47becomes a priority we had to be a bit more covert in our investigations because there was always the
00:29:58concern that any reference to hostages may put their lives in danger at the moment was the story
00:30:04was a very fast moving story every single day there was a huge development and on the monday
00:30:08there was a request by the police not to report that fact because if it became widely known he had
00:30:12hostages it might prove a greater risk to the hostages so there was a request for a media blackout
00:30:17the media complied with that and it wasn't reported we recovered letters from the hostages that had
00:30:25been delivered to family members basically saying that they were being held hostage by moat and they
00:30:36were quite suspicious shall we say although they were claiming they were hostages they were quite tempered
00:30:42about saying don't worry and i think one of them actually said i'll be fine burn this
00:30:54the two hostages one of them is a lad called carl ness and from information and intelligence it was
00:31:03quite clear that carl ness was quite a long-standing friend and associate of moat
00:31:09but the other one was a lad called quorum awan and his association to moat was less obvious
00:31:23one important development was that the police found on the cctv at the roundabout where david rathband
00:31:31had parked a car going around the roundabout it was a black lexus and you know this was obviously
00:31:40an important potential lead for the police to follow up where is this car where is it going to turn
00:31:47up next on the monday night there was a reported robbery in seaton delaville in northumberland an
00:31:56individual went into a chip shop presented a gun and robbed the shop of the takings that individual
00:32:06got into a black car described as a wreck that was really noisy and drove off at speed very quickly
00:32:18we identified that the man responsible was ral moat
00:32:23later on the monday night it was established that a one owned a black lexus
00:32:29and it hadn't been accounted for so the decision was made to appeal to the public for sightings of that
00:32:38it was the number one question where is ral moat we were relying on
00:32:45sightings by the members of the public to tell us where we should be looking i think there would be
00:32:53somebody would tell us whether overtly or covertly and there was just nothing i think people were
00:33:01almost trying to second guess what could happen next where could he go is there anywhere where
00:33:08somebody might harbor even you know dangerous criminal like this has he been receiving help from anybody
00:33:17else the silence was deafening so where was he had you left the area
00:33:24i come in to do my shift at six o'clock on the tuesday morning and then
00:33:38we get the call to say that the car's been sighted in rothbury
00:33:41a woman had seen that car in a small market town about 30 miles north of newcastle which was
00:33:53rothbury in the heart of northumberland there's also a bit of intelligence from a former girlfriend
00:34:00that he'd like to go camping in that area and had done as a younger man and that was the first big
00:34:05break the place hard that that's where he might have gone to you could just feel how attractive
00:34:12rothbury would have been to ral moat ral moat knew that landscape he was familiar with it he knew
00:34:21where to hide so of course from then on all the attention shifted to rothbury the police descended on
00:34:30rothbury in large numbers the media went to rothbury in large numbers and suddenly the whole nature
00:34:39and focus of the investigation changed to this beautiful little rural town with a population of
00:34:47just over 2000 on tuesday the black lexus was found in an industrial estate in rothbury it was very
00:34:58quickly secured by armed police officers the police helicopter was up there very quickly to scan the
00:35:08area and it quickly identified two males who were walking away from the vicinity of the car and at that
00:35:16stage it was two men was it victims was it hostages was it more
00:35:32well my name is peter blake and i'm the biological father of raoul thomas moat
00:35:42i just froze i thought that's my boy
00:36:12in 1972 i was working in annick in northumberland
00:36:22and then i met a young lady she was very attractive she had a lovely voice and a lovely laugh
00:36:32and we started going out together
00:36:35her and then one day she said i'm pregnant and at that point she seemed very relaxed and happy
00:36:46but as the days went on the situation changed she became quite withdrawn
00:36:56and then one evening she said i don't want to see you anymore i said well what about the baby
00:37:08and she said it's my baby and i said it's my baby as well he needs a father and she said go away don't
00:37:17want to see you that's it finished well i felt terrible but it was apparent to me at that point
00:37:25that there was nothing i could do
00:37:26i hung around in newcastle for a couple of years hoping that the situation would change
00:37:38but it didn't and in the end i thought i've got to move away from this area
00:37:43and get on with my life which is what i did
00:37:49i never saw my little boy
00:37:53until i saw him on television and pictures of him in the newspapers
00:37:58it's strange really because it was lovely to hear his voice but on the other hand what he'd done and
00:38:15what he was proposing to do you know it was quite shocking i've always loved him you see i mean
00:38:24i don't i always knew that that i loved him he was my son and i loved him and uh it was very difficult
00:38:34you know knowing what he'd done but it didn't change the way i felt about him
00:38:39i remember we were monitoring this in live time from the downlink from the helicopter and we could
00:38:52see these two individuals we weren't sure who they were was it just two individuals who were totally
00:39:00innocent and coincidentally being there but you've got to remember one of these could have been ral
00:39:05moat with a gun who had threatened to shoot police officers so the helicopter was able to monitor
00:39:10them until such times as the appropriate firearms teams could get there
00:39:24the firearms team used distraction explosives to confuse them and arrest them safely so that if any
00:39:39of them were armed they wouldn't have been in a position to turn the gun on the police officers
00:39:44the message came back to me that it was ness and awan we were able to interview them as quickly as in the
00:39:51back of the van and ask where's raul where is he ness was saying he hadn't seen him in days
00:39:59awan was a bit more forthcoming and saying i saw him this morning he's disappeared
00:40:07when they're both telling different stories it became pretty clear that they were actually
00:40:12more likely to have been associates and helped them and that's when i made the decision that we
00:40:17arrest them for conspiracy to murder and they stepped out of the hostage zone and into the suspect zone
00:40:27there was a degree of disappointment in that it wasn't more but by the same token it was the best
00:40:33break we'd had in terms of he's round about there somewhere
00:40:38there was a cordon put on the town of rothbury which was regulating who was coming and going
00:40:44there were police officers with dogs there were snipers there was a police helicopter there were
00:40:52hundreds you know they were everywhere there was this potential sighting in the school and calls
00:41:00getting made to put the school into lockdown and that would have been your worst nightmare is if he had
00:41:06got into the school i was head teacher of dr thompson church of england middle school in rothbury it's
00:41:15quite a small middle school um but big for for a rural area and it had around about 220 students in there
00:41:23rothbury is the kind of area that people don't tend to move away from it it's beautiful area it's got a
00:41:29fantastic supportive network real village type feel in there so the summer term was unfolding we'd
00:41:38had our sports day we were coming towards the end of term a normal july just like every other year
00:41:47on tuesday the 6th of july i arrived at school expecting a normal day
00:41:52then police arrived around the school and i remember one of the armed police asking me to
00:42:00get the children away from the windows in the dining hall i think we all realized that moat was in the
00:42:06area what happens if he if there is a shootout what happens if he if he arrives at school nobody knew
00:42:14exactly what his his next move was going to be who he might target who he might attack and for a terrifying
00:42:19few hours there was a real concern that we could have a another dumbling i still remember the feeling
00:42:28in the pit of my stomach of the fear of what events could unfold i remember being being frightened but
00:42:35wanting to remain calm and wanting to keep the school just as calm as we could by about two o'clock in the
00:42:42afternoon we realized that we weren't able to let the children go home so we started to put the plans
00:42:48in place for a lockdown for the school we started to think further ahead about if we had to camp down
00:42:54for the night with the children in the school what we want to do we sort of put videos on for the
00:42:59children we let them play and started to communicate with parents that we would keep them up to date with
00:43:05information from the police system as we had it the thing that i remember most of all was this sort of
00:43:12double kind of existence that was going on that the rural town and people going about their everyday
00:43:20business with this massive manhunt i think it was one of the biggest manhunts in police history
00:43:30by the end of the day once the police had allowed some movement in the village it was around about seven
00:43:36eight o'clock at night that parents were allowed to come and collect the children and this is when
00:43:41you saw how stressful some of the children had found it the minute they saw their parents you would
00:43:47see them burst into tears and parents hugged them and it was um a real awareness of actually how how
00:43:52intense it had been for the children as well when the accomplices had been arrested the police
00:44:00obviously then they've got now a this is a concrete lead he has been in that town then that's when
00:44:06the search widens and then very quickly after that they located the campsite it had been wrecked
00:44:13tent turned upside down the barbecue turned upside down and this is where we believed they had been
00:44:18staying for the last 48 hours or so they had been sitting there through the day it turns out that
00:44:27moat had been monitored in the media there was newspapers and there was a radio and listening to
00:44:33that but importantly there was a dictaphone a lengthy account ramblings lecture from moat about what he
00:44:47done and why he done it and the content of that dictaphone was listened to
00:44:53for every lie i see in that paper or any paper i'm going to kill an innocent member of the public
00:45:02right i'm just going to continue killing people it's as simple as that
00:45:09that was the first time that he had moved his focus from the police being under threat to the public
00:45:16been under threat it means that anybody's a target now and that again changed the whole level of risk
00:45:23for the operation the day after the dictaphone had been found we attended a daily briefing from the
00:45:32police but this day was different to all the previous days moat had now made threats to the press
00:45:39a bit of an alarm silence fell across the room could moat turn his gun on on one of us it got a whole
00:45:45lot more tense and dangerous because it felt like every single one of us the police the media the people
00:45:55in the town we were all potential targets it's a tricky situation to manage but the chief officer
00:46:03team were very clear in that we tell the truth to the public no secrets and they actually went out
00:46:10and did a number of briefings to the public about this threat so don't go wandering in areas that are
00:46:19isolated or maybe change your routine a wee bit maybe keep an eye on your kids all that sort of thing
00:46:26the big question that they had was why haven't you caught them and uh trust me there was
00:46:33a number of sessions particularly towards the end of the week where we stood scratching our heads going
00:46:40where is he and the question was asked do you think he's got away
00:46:54there was probably a feeling that if you throw a blanket over rothbury will come but it would have
00:47:03to have been a big blanket it's a huge landscape with lots and lots of challenges for search for firearms
00:47:13for dog section
00:47:19moors woodland if you'd got the kind of determination that moat had you can make use of all these
00:47:28opportunities to hide
00:47:33we used the royal air force using flyovers
00:47:37and they can take imagery that was looking for any disturbance hides that sort of thing
00:47:43they used an ref jet with heat seeking equipment it was incredibly rare for the police to sort of
00:47:47call on the military to help them in an investigation and the other one was the search expert
00:47:52ray mears who's worked alongside the search teams that fall under through the wooded areas and the crags
00:48:00how is he surviving i mean you can't go very long without food and water before it has a real effect
00:48:10on you so you must have been getting something from somewhere he kept moving from one spot to another
00:48:15to another to lay low but there were other times where he did seem to just go right into the town to
00:48:25to apparently take vegetables from people's gardens people were saying that they had seen him
00:48:31there was other areas where he might have been seen farmhouses broken into
00:48:36was he hiding round about there so is it moat that's responsible is you looking for food
00:48:41is you looking for somewhere to sleep it's been a strange day i've been in the shops
00:48:47i'm now in a nice little park people walking past but on the island not one person has recognized us today
00:48:53when i've been out and about i was literally right on the annals you haven't got any bobbies on the beat
00:48:59it's amazing how you scurry and hide when somebody fights back
00:49:08it's possible that raoul moat might have been enjoying the the cat and mouse game
00:49:16he must have thought that one way or another he was in charge not the police he was the one you know
00:49:26almost sort of moving the figures around the the board
00:49:31when you're looking for an armed man that says he's going to shoot people openly declares war on your
00:49:37force there was a degree of confidence that this was going to end up with
00:49:42a face-to-face confrontation
00:50:01can i stress to the public that moat is still at large and we need to locate him members of the public
00:50:10are advised to remain indoors and await further instructions
00:50:19the 24 7 operation of the command room was 12 hours on 12 hours off basically
00:50:26and i wrapped up and left and handed over to my colleague about
00:50:32six p.m on the friday and drove home i remember on the friday night getting home
00:50:42tally on browsing glass of wine and then seeing on the news that there was something heating up in
00:50:52rothbury again there was a knock at the door and it was my firearms tactical advisor who had run from the
00:50:59room to tell me he's been seen
00:51:02i was home probably 15 minutes and the telephone rang and it was my colleague to say
00:51:14we've got him and my first question is where is he rothbury relief we held our nerve we maintained our focus
00:51:26he was there i was taken very quickly to manage the scene on the spot on the ground
00:51:35and during that drive i remember thinking despite the amount of messages and radio traffic and phone calls
00:51:41that thank god we've got him at last
00:51:48i was watching television and all of a sudden there were pictures of raoul holding a gun to his head
00:51:55on the river bank at rothbury we've now got some armed police officers pointing weapons at him and
00:52:05i've got all these resources running around to make sure that we've got everything else we need there's
00:52:10some police officers there with guns mort has a gun mort hates the police what's going to happen is he
00:52:16going to turn the gun on the police officers that that was clearly your concern he looked a bit
00:52:23disheveled as if he'd been living rough and you know whilst he was having some sort of dialogue
00:52:29with the the officers who were in front of him but he wasn't forthcoming he was you know um very
00:52:37belligerent and dismissive the routine would be to negotiate with them to a surrender we would introduce
00:52:45train negotiating staff because the negotiation is about coming to a surrender safely
00:52:52they had a specialist negotiator there whose job it is to develop communication you know try
00:53:04no matter how difficult the situation to develop some kind of rapport almost with with the individual
00:53:12they wanted to take him alive they wanted people to be able to see that justice was done
00:53:23i knew what he'd done but my love for him overrode that i was his father
00:53:33and i just felt that i had to do something for my son i'd never done anything for him and i wanted to do
00:53:46something for him that was a very very powerful and strong feeling
00:53:55i thought that if i'm not there he might rush at the police and they might shoot him
00:54:03it's a really peaceful setting and there's no traffic going past because the road's cordoned off for
00:54:12safety it is manageable for the people trying to negotiate a surrender as possible they don't want
00:54:18distractions they don't want lots of things going off in the background they're going to cause any
00:54:24surprises otherwise things could go horribly wrong they were trying to give him reasons to to carry on
00:54:34living basically appeal to what they hoped would be his more human side remind him of his children let
00:54:44them not have to carry this knowledge and this memory for the rest of their lives
00:54:54he said at one point nobody cares about me
00:55:00which suggests that he kind of accepted that it was coming to an end for him
00:55:07i'm not going to be around with a few years right but the fact of all it is i'm not coming in a line
00:55:12you'll get your chance to kill us right you'll get your chance to kill us
00:55:19i felt utterly helpless you know i there's nothing i could do what i would like to have done
00:55:27is for the police to have said your dad has come forward and he wants to speak to you
00:55:34i would have said to him i'm your dad we're in a bit of a mess here aren't we you know and
00:55:45i don't want you to die and i would like it now if you put an end to this and put the gun down
00:55:55you're not surrendering to the police you're surrendering to me your dad
00:56:06each and every friend family member would have been thoroughly risk assessed and a decision made
00:56:12whether they were suitable or unsuitable set depending on the circumstances given the situation
00:56:18he was in any sort of intermediary there would present quite a high risk it might have got to
00:56:25a stage where i think it was appropriate but it certainly wasn't at that stage
00:56:32there's a feeling of expectation that something was going to happen sooner or later that would
00:56:38close the story we didn't know what that was going to be this has gone on for hours and hours and hours
00:56:45and now we are planning for a worst case scenario we're thinking that if this isn't going to end
00:56:52peacefully it's going to end horribly
00:56:59the
00:57:11contained above all away from the public in a situation where the outcome can only be an arrest
00:57:17or the ending of his life
00:57:19the standoff had been going on for about six hours then shortly after 1am the police who
00:57:30were closest to him noticed a significant change in his demeanor he'd been lying down with a
00:57:36shotgun in his head and it becomes apparent that something's about to happen something's changed
00:57:41it's sort of agonizing because there you are you can see your son
00:57:47and at six hours have gone by he's not handing himself in
00:58:06and then there was a shot and there was shouting
00:58:11I just heard the noise and we're all looking at each other thinking what was that but it becomes
00:58:28apparent quite quickly that he shot himself people tried to save his life whether they were firearms
00:58:37officers or whether it was the negotiators everybody there that night wanted to save his life
00:58:42and then they took him off in an ambulance and I thought oh perhaps the gun didn't go off or
00:58:54perhaps you know he's still alive and I was hopeful but then when the ambulance arrived at the hospital
00:59:05the commentator said he said was covered with a blanket and I thought well that's it he's dead
00:59:13I watched him die on television and it was it was awful
00:59:21I was back at home with my family back at my parents house and watching the news
00:59:34it was kind of a bittersweet reaction to how it ended you know I wanted him to face justice for
00:59:45what he'd done but at the same time it was relief knowing that he couldn't harm anybody else
00:59:53Moat made the decision to turn the gun on himself and shoot himself and take
01:00:07in my view the coward's way out so that he didn't have to account for his behavior over the last week
01:00:16or ten days by him ending it in the way he wanted to we remained in control it would have been arrested
01:00:25and put on trial they would have suffered a lot of control and I think that's one key factor about why
01:00:30he was he always intended it to end in a certain way and he achieved that I personally think you know
01:00:37intentions of coming quietly I think he wanted to kill himself from the start because what was what
01:00:43was realistically gonna happen to him he was going to prison forever and that's not a very positive
01:00:50outlook for anyone so his alternatives were very few and far between I just wanted to know why he did
01:01:03what he did what was his reasoning behind taking someone's life and trying to take
01:01:13somebody else's life Samantha was the mother of one of his children and there's just something in my
01:01:24head that thing that's like you can't comprehend what could make you want to harm someone in that way
01:01:31when I went into working the next morning I've got a couple of people in custody who are now looking at charges relating to the murder of Christopher Brown the attempted murder of Samantha Staubard and the attempted murder of David Rathbund
01:01:56Carl Ness and Kram are one always claimed that they were hostages not accomplishes they insisted they
01:02:01didn't help him Ness hero-worshipped Moat to a certain extent and conducted surveillance on his estranged
01:02:12girlfriend while he was in prison Ness had helped Moat source the gun and then he'd taken him to the
01:02:18scene of the first shooting and there was text messages between Ness and Moat shortly before he carried out
01:02:24the shooting there was a CCTV had to be looked at it showed that Ness and Moat basically did inquiries
01:02:35to try and find who Christopher Brown was and where he may work a one only came onto the scene after the
01:02:44Berkeley shootings but played a full part in the shooting of David Rathbund and the robberies and the
01:02:50driving around also CCTV showed Ness and the one out in their own shopping without Moat immediately after the Berkeley shootings and
01:02:59they bought two mobile telephones they still had possession of one of them the other one was Moat's and significantly
01:03:07Raoul Moat and Ness went to be in queue in Newcastle and they caught CCTV buying a tent
01:03:15the evidence against the two of them was incontrovertible they were with Raoul Moat at all the crucial
01:03:24elements of the offenses and then stayed with him as he remained at large through the following days
01:03:45at court Ness was told that he won't be considered for release until he'd served 40 years and Alain was told he
01:03:55wouldn't be considered for release until he had served 20 years
01:03:59I think you've really got to remember that there were three victims three key victims here
01:04:11and we should never forget this for the families I hope that they get a crumb of comfort in the fact
01:04:18that there is people sitting in a prison serving a big sentence for the role that they played in that
01:04:24I want people to remember Chris for the bubbly cheeky passionate man that he was
01:04:37he always tried to make people laugh he always wanted to make the best of any situation
01:04:47he was a great guy and it was a pleasure to have known him
01:04:57he was shot and blinded on duty today his attackers henchmen were convicted of his attempted murder
01:05:03I have a lifetime to live and they have a lifetime to reflect I'm sure I'm in a better place than them
01:05:09David lost his sight became a national figure focused himself on charity work but became quite troubled with everything that was going on and his marriage broke down and I really feel for the fact that one moment you're an able bodied traffic cop doing the job you've always dreamed of and then suddenly you've lost your sight and you just can't do that job again whether you like it or not
01:05:38and it's so sad that eventually David took his own life a couple of years after all this went on
01:05:46and let's not forget that Royal Moat caused that deliberately he went out of his way to find a police officer that was David Rathbund and I think that's that really tells you exactly what sort of individual he was
01:06:02Moat had a choice
01:06:04Moat had a choice
01:06:06he didn't have to do what he did
01:06:08he could have accepted the fact that his time with Samantha was finished
01:06:12they had a child together
01:06:14he could have been a father to that child
01:06:16but now he's not
01:06:18ultimately the people who pulled the trigger
01:06:22or wield the knife
01:06:24they have the choice
01:06:26the victims don't always have a choice
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