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00:00Hello there and welcome to The Ring, Euronews' brand new debating show broadcasting from the
00:14European Parliament here in Brussels. Once a week, two elected members of the European Parliament
00:20go face to face on some of the most pressing issues of our time. This week we're discussing
00:26the EU's role in peace talks to end the war in Ukraine and we're asking if we need to
00:31militarize European societies. Before we meet our guests, let's just get you up to speed.
00:39So far, Ukraine and Europe have remarkably been sidelined in negotiations aimed at ending
00:44the war with Russia. US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met Russian President Vladimir Putin
00:50to push a US-sponsored peace deal. Initially concocted with the Kremlin, the plan was amended
00:55with European and Ukrainian inputs after concerns emerged that Kiev would be pressured into
01:01unacceptable concessions. Yet Europe is having a hard time finding a seat at the negotiation
01:06table. French President Emmanuel Macron welcomed Volodymyr Zelensky at the Elysee Palace and stressed
01:12that no agreement would materialize without European participation. Voices are also rising
01:18in Brussels for Europe to have its own plan to ensure a lasting peace in Ukraine and deter
01:23Moscow from future military action. Only the 27 can't agree on how to proceed.
01:30So what next for the EU? And should the 27 remain a soft power or transition to a military might?
01:40The questions we'll be putting to our contenders. Let's meet them.
01:45Cynthia Newarku, Irish MEP for the Liberal Renew Group. A former journalist and lawyer, she's
01:50a devoted pro-European who believes in dialogue and negotiation under the right circumstances.
01:56Any credible peace plan must involve Ukraine, the EU, the United States and Russia and it
02:02cannot be imposed on Ukraine or come at the expense of its sovereignty, territorial integrity
02:07or democratic future, she said. Christian Terhes, Romanian MEP for the European Conservatives
02:14and Reformists Group. Former candidate for the country's presidency, a defender of national
02:19sovereignty, he has dismissed the guarantees given by the US, Great Britain, Germany and Russia
02:24to Ukraine in order to give up its nuclear arsenal in 1994. Now he warns against the acceptance
02:30of a peace agreement with Russia at any cost. In the natural tendency, man wants peace immediately.
02:37But history shows us the price of hasty decisions, he said.
02:42Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh, welcome to the ring.
02:47Thanks so much for having us.
02:49Hi Christian.
02:50Hi Cynthia.
02:51Great to have you with us. Well look, ladies first perhaps, we'll kick off with Cynthia Newarku.
02:54Why is the European Union not at the driving seat in the talks to end the war in Ukraine,
02:58but always reacting?
03:00No, the EU is at the driving seat, but the driving seat is shared and should be shared
03:06between the nations and the countries that have a vested interest. Obviously we're in a particular space
03:13whereby America has withdrawn somewhat from its previous historical support through NATO and so forth.
03:21So we are in a new geopolitical atmosphere, as we all know, and therefore we are in the driving seat
03:27very much, but we can't take over in the driving seat. We also need our partners.
03:32So Russia is involved with the United States and obviously we have Europe.
03:36But most importantly, we have President Zelenskyy and Ukraine.
03:39And in your clip, you indicated that the coalition of the willing, indeed,
03:43Zelenskyy was welcome to the Palace Elysee, but he was also welcomed to my country and my parliament in the Dáil.
03:48And I can tell you that Europe stands firm, very firm, with Ukraine, because I think my friend will agree with me,
03:55if we don't stand in Europe with Ukraine, who is next? Probably your country, Romania, possibly Ireland on the Western flight.
04:01But messages of support in Newarku are not enough. We have Kayakalas.
04:04She's the EU foreign affairs chief, but she's nowhere to be seen in any of those images.
04:07Well, I think Europe European Union right now has to take the lead in this fight, because at the end of the day,
04:14it's not in the U.S. main interest to resolve the situation in Ukraine, but it's in our own interest in European Union,
04:21and especially on countries that are on the eastern flank of NATO.
04:24As Cynthia rightfully mentioned, we are very concerned in Eastern Europe, because if Ukraine collapses, who is next?
04:33Who is next? It's someone from the Baltic region, it's Romania, who's next?
04:37I mean, concern is one thing, messages of support is another thing, but has the EU done enough?
04:40I'm sorry, Maeve. I mean, I watched the news overnight. Putin has withdrawn from the peace talks.
04:45Putin does not want peace. Russia does not want peace.
04:48Europe has bent over backwards in their very professional, organized way, bearing in mind we have 27 member states,
04:54and has really negotiated very skillfully and very hard.
04:58And I don't really accept any criticism of Kaia Callas. She may not be seen in pictures, but I'm not depending on her being seen in pictures.
05:05I'm depending on her and her team negotiating hard. And they have been doing that.
05:09But bear in mind, they didn't withdraw. Putin has withdrawn. He's no interest in peace.
05:13But why did the EU get sidelined then? Why did the EU get sidelined by the Trump 28-point peace plan?
05:16That's very, very simple. And I mean, again, I'm sure Christian will agree.
05:20President Trump has set up these so-called collaborative talks, which are not collaborative in any way,
05:26because the United States did not come as the arbitrator, as the mediator, with its proposed plan drawn from both sides.
05:34He came with a Russian plan.
05:36And we saw Steve Witkoff. He's been to Moscow around six times, but never visited Kyiv.
05:40As you can see right now, we talk too much about what the U.S. does or what the U.S. wants.
05:45The question is what the EU does.
05:47Exactly.
05:48And when you talk to Russia, historically speaking, you have to negotiate with Russia from a position of power,
05:53because the only language that the Russian would listen to is the language of power.
05:59We talk too much. We don't act enough. Not only that we don't act enough, we don't act strong.
06:03I'll give you an example. Nord Stream 2, for example.
06:06When Trump was elected in 2016, he sanctioned the companies that were built in Nord Stream 2.
06:11When Biden was elected in 2020, he lifted the sanctions.
06:14That's how Nord Stream 2 was finalized.
06:16Then we saw what happened in 2022.
06:17For so many years, there were so many talks, even here in the European Parliament.
06:20Yeah.
06:21But behind the scenes, many EU countries, you know, still conducted business with Russia.
06:26So we paid for this work.
06:28Yeah, I totally agree with Christian when he says about, you know, not acting up quickly enough.
06:32Because if we look back at the initial invasion of Putin into Ukraine, that's when Europe should have acted more comprehensively, more firmly.
06:40And they didn't. And we really are paying the price of that now.
06:43But I don't accept the premise that Europe is in some way way too weak or way too ineffective.
06:48I do believe that progress will be made.
06:51Look at how Trump is stymied every time he says there's a deadline, Maeve.
06:55Every time he says it's a deadline, that deadline is passed and we move to a next phase.
06:59He wants a quick fix.
07:01He won't learn the lesson, Trump, that we can't get a quick fix when he's asking Ukraine to give up its sovereignty.
07:07And then he's going to ask Romania to give up their sovereignty and Poland.
07:10And where I was standing in Estonia some weeks ago, looking across at the Russian border and realising how threatened all these countries on the eastern flank.
07:19But you know what? It's only a hair's breadth away from Ireland.
07:22And you say, of course, the Kremlin only understands the language of power.
07:26How would you react to Vladimir Putin's comments this week when he said he's ready for a war with Europe?
07:31I would not react with words. I would react with actions.
07:33What kind of actions?
07:34We need to build up our defence.
07:35But on top of that, we need to set ourselves the proper mindset in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase what the former Taliban leader told many U.S. generals when they had a meeting.
07:46The general or the U.S. general said, well, we've got to finish this fast, fast, fast.
07:49And the Taliban says, you know what is the difference between you and us? What?
07:52You have the watch, we have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now are using exactly the same strategy.
07:59Cynthia was right when she mentioned that Trump is always coming up with these deadlines from one day to another.
08:06You cannot have, in such a complicated situation, a peace deal from one day to another.
08:11In order to do that, you need to take enough time to do it.
08:14But on top of that, you need to have a strong defence behind your words.
08:19So for many decades, the European Union expected that if something happens, U.S. is there to defend us.
08:25U.S. can help, but U.S. apparently right now cannot drive this anymore.
08:30Christian, not only do we need to stand up and smell the coffee with regards to the mindset of Putin,
08:35which I think Europe did a long time ago when they failed to interact and investigate what was going on in the late,
08:42in the early 2000s, I should say, when Russia invaded first, Donbass, etc.
08:47But unfortunately, we have the mindset of Trump thrown in for good measure.
08:51And of course, we realise that all the power, all the might, all the money which Ukraine has been so dependent on,
08:56as well as the huge investment from Russia, it's a very delicate balance.
09:00So sorry, you talk about mindset. There still is a wonderful aspect of politics called diplomacy.
09:06But of course, Trump doesn't have that in his dictionary or his lexicon. It doesn't exist.
09:10And so therefore, Kaya Callas and the negotiating team have to negotiate in a completely different way.
09:17It has to be deferential. It has to be sycophantic. And it has to allow the bully in the room to triumph.
09:23Kaya is coming from one of the Baltic countries and she had very strong statements, which is very important.
09:29But it's important also, she even mentioned in some of her speeches, to understand the lesson of history.
09:34The first country that was attacked by Russia in the 21st century was Georgia in 2008.
09:39Because Georgia, in April of 2008, was not accepted in NATO because two NATO countries vetoed their accession.
09:46So what happened after the war in Georgia in August 2008?
09:50Russia occupied South Ossetia and Asia. But in 2009, a new U.S. president took office, Obama.
09:58The first thing that he did once he took office was to resume the relationship with Russia.
10:03Russia came with a precondition that said, and I quote, you need to forget everything that happened in 2009.
10:09We start from scratch. Well, they do not start from scratch.
10:12They keep everything that they got so far. And from this point on, they want to negotiate.
10:16But unfortunately, back to Europeans, to our viewers watching here today, Cynthia Newarku, is it time to militarize our societies?
10:21Is it time for your voters, your children to start learning how to fight?
10:24I'll tell you what it's time for now. It's time to realize that the cooperative military organizations that we have in relation to procurement,
10:34in relation to training, in relation to sharing intelligence, that needs to be ramped up.
10:39And yes, Europe has already reacted to the fact in the last couple of months that the budget of each country, we have to commit a certain percentage.
10:47Should we have voluntary military subscription for all Europeans?
10:50Yes. And we need to understand that the biggest security guarantees that any country has is its own military.
10:57No foreigner and no stranger is going to come and die for your country.
11:00And we politicians, elected officials, we need to make this point very clear.
11:04Nobody is going to come and die for your country.
11:07If you, whomever you are in what elected office you are, you need to make this clear to your people.
11:14So you have to have, you have to build up your country to be resilient to any kind of interference from outside.
11:20Either military interference, you know, electoral interference, any kind of malign interference.
11:25So building up your military is one step, but not the only step.
11:29Correct. Absolutely.
11:30Because we need to defend, for example, and make sure that we safeguard our correctness of the electoral process, for example.
11:36But we also need negotiation, Maeve, and we need diplomacy.
11:39So we need both.
11:40Those two elements which Trump doesn't like.
11:42Let me stop you there, because it is now time to take the gloves off here.
11:46That means, Cynthia and Christian, you can challenge each other directly, just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:54Cynthia, you can kick off with your very first question for Christian.
11:57Certainly.
11:58Are you worried at the statement of Putin overnight, which stated,
12:04If Europe want war, we are ready for war.
12:07And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007, fall of 2007, in Lisbon, during a summit between EU and Russia.
12:20And he said something, and I paraphrase him.
12:23If the foreign, if the international community is going to recognize the independence of Kosovo,
12:27all the frozen conflicts from Eastern Europe are going to melt.
12:30And he nominated South Ossetia, Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria.
12:34So that was fall of 2007.
12:36We saw what happened in 2008.
12:38We saw then what happened in 2014 and what happened in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us with words.
12:44Russia was preparing for this war, not from today or from like 2014.
12:50Russia was preparing for this war a few years after Putin took power.
12:55So what should the reaction be?
12:57Well, we need to react.
12:58You need to prepare yourself for war.
12:59You need to, not for war, not to attack someone, but to be able to defend yourself.
13:03Because is that not scaremongering?
13:04Are our viewers not sitting at home fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody.
13:08I'm realistic.
13:09Look at what Churchill said, for example, during the Second World War.
13:13It's exactly the kind of leadership that we need and we are missing right now.
13:16I think we need to have a nuanced, mature conversation with our voters, whether we're on the western
13:21periphery in Ireland or we're in Estonia and we're right up against it, the country of Kayakalas.
13:26We need to have a mature conversation about the militarization and the investment in militarization.
13:33No, it doesn't mean a united European army, but it does mean massive cooperation, massive investment.
13:40But can we afford it?
13:41We will have to afford it, even though there are competing interests, whether it's farmers, which are very dear to my heart,
13:48whether it's businesses, whether it's education, Erasmus.
13:51But right now, at this point in time, we are under threat.
13:55This is the closest we've been to the Cold War that I can remember.
13:59Christian, your question now for Cynthia?
14:01You were mentioning about the price.
14:03I have to say that it's cheaper to invest in your own defense than to support the war.
14:06And we see the situation in Ukraine.
14:08It's way cheaper.
14:09Christian, your opportunity now to address a question to Cynthia.
14:11Yes, considering the...
14:12I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well, we'll see, you know.
14:16So do you think you could have done more to help Ukraine?
14:19And if so, what?
14:20Absolutely not.
14:22I don't believe they could have done more.
14:24I think the amount of money that Europe has put in, more than the United States, and the amount of talks, time given to talks, preparation given for talks and leading out, they couldn't have done any more.
14:38I think they have ramped up and reacted with regards to the commitment of the member states to their military spend, to their defense spend.
14:45I don't think with 27 member states who have very different constitutional setups and structures, I don't see how Europe could have done more.
14:53Are we perfect?
14:54Of course not.
14:55I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry, this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough has been done, Cynthia, if we're entering the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula van der Leyen, and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Ursula van der Leyen or President van der Leyen, but Ursula van der Leyen has reacted as swiftly as she can to a devastating new geopolitical situation that Christian has referred to, which is no support anymore from Europe.
15:17Stand on your own two feet, get on with it.
15:20Would you agree with Cynthia?
15:21Up to a point, yes.
15:22But I think the EU could have done more sooner, because now we have the 19th package of sanctions, you know.
15:29Many of these sanctions could have been done right at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
15:35On top of that, we could have, you know, cut their finances.
15:38You know, even right now, for example, the transportation corridors, for example, from Central Asia and China, all the goods that are coming to Europe, they are still coming through Russia, which is absurd.
15:48So on one side, you're claiming, rightfully so, that Russia declared war to Europe.
15:53On the other side, you do business with them.
15:55It doesn't make any sense.
15:56This is what I'm calling on public officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward with the population, because it's the only way to be able to properly defend from this kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example, who seems to trust the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump.
16:22We are standing on our own two feet and we do have a plan.
16:25But Christian is right.
16:26There can be certainly a ramping up, particularly in relation to, excuse me, the financial sanctions, a ramp up of that instead of having so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind that countries, some countries in Europe are more adversely affected if we do impose the trading sanctions.
16:43So we have to be careful that we don't create another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right.
16:47Perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America, I think Christian is right.
16:52We have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaia Callas is doing that.
16:55She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against President Trump, who's calling journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time, I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia Orca, a big fan there of Kaia Callas.
17:11Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:16And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the US Army Europe, speaking to me earlier here on Euronews.
17:28He said the US really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the US to be a fair interlocutor here.
17:43Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:50Yes.
17:51Because for so many years, we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:56Trump said when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine and how the US is going to react to what is happening there.
18:03He said, you know, there are two oceans between US and Russia, which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans, Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:11It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the of the of the peace deal in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:22Russia.
18:23This is the important.
18:24Look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain historical events.
18:29Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:34Yeah.
18:35And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this sometimes tough talks, but with soft actions.
18:44And we speak and we talk publicly about immediate consequences.
18:49Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait.
18:52And then when they make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:57Can I just say Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading block and he's got major economic ties to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating China and he's speed dating Putin.
19:08But he's after finding out now.
19:10He's after sending Jared Kushner, his son in law, and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:15And they're after being given, as we say in Ireland, the bums rush.
19:18The shut door.
19:19They're gone now.
19:20And their proposals about more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero.
19:25Zero.
19:26And now Trump is going to think, hmm, we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:41But on that point, we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European Parliament.
20:01Welcome back to The Ring, Euronews' weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEP's Cynthia Niwerku from Renew Europe and Christian Teresh from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very couch.
20:20So, what about you? How do you feel about the war in Ukraine? Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, Euronews' reporters took to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out. Take a look.
20:36For respect for my family. I would not want to go where I would leave my family here when I could help in Europe.
20:45I think we should fight as a country. If we're against this, as a unit, I would definitely not take a fight.
20:53I always fight for my country, of course. I think it's a honor to die for my country.
20:59So, of course, I die for my country. It's a honor.
21:02It's a shame that we have to be thinking about this type of training.
21:06In Europe, we've lived, in quotes, very well.
21:09And maybe now we have to give the blood of the blood.
21:12But I think that before we, we have to our young people, who have already had an age.
21:16I, yes. Even this year, I'm planning to be a reservation.
21:20And if there was a 1,000, I would be a point.
21:23For Greece, yes. I don't want to risk my life for a third country.
21:27Interesting, right? To see how many people said they would actually be happy to die for their country, Christian.
21:33But we don't get to that point where somebody has to physically die.
21:36War is the last resort.
21:38When you go to war, you know, that's the collapse of diplomacy.
21:42So, in order to prevent a war, you need to prepare for war.
21:46Everybody talks right now and understand the reason why and they are afraid or, you know, in support of going to war.
21:51But that's the last resort.
21:53We need to prepare, you know, with all these things before that.
21:56And I'm telling you, if you are strong and you project power, Russia is not going to attack you.
22:01Russia is like a bear. A bear is going to attack a weak animal.
22:05What is this on people's minds, do you think, Cynthia Newarkoo? In Ireland, for example, a country that's far away from...
22:09Yes, in Ireland. I deal with Ireland. And Ireland wasn't Vox Pop.
22:12But what that shows is the difference, the diversity.
22:15But we have to have inclusivity.
22:17For me, Europe is full of diversity, inclusivity and liberal values.
22:20That might be different for Christian's party.
22:22But having set that aside, it shows that we as elected representatives in Europe need to speak to our voters in a very reasonable, informative, intelligent way about the fact that militarisation doesn't mean a European army.
22:37It doesn't mean the destruction of neutrality in Ireland.
22:39It doesn't mean that youngsters in Ireland are going to be signed up for conspiration.
22:42It means different things to different countries.
22:44But there's got to be a unity amongst Europe in relation to the protection of Europe and fortress Europe.
22:52But it doesn't mean capital F.
22:54So what answers, Cynthia, would you have gotten if you went out to speak to your voters about that topic?
22:58Oh, I think the answer in Ireland would be that people are very, very afraid of a militarisation that destroys our neutrality, attacks it in any way, because that is held very dearly.
23:09And, of course, it's in our constitution. So it's different for each country.
23:13It's very easy to be critical of the EU in terms of its negotiating skills and its sanctions and so forth.
23:18But we have a job to do as well. It's not all about the higher echelons of Europe leading out.
23:23So has Mestin been wrong from Brussels then? They haven't got it right, this idea of rearming Europe?
23:27Well, rearming Europe, it's a good project and we really support it.
23:31But we need to go back to the narrative.
23:33He who frames the argument wins the debate.
23:35The whole debate right now, both in Brussels and in D.C., it's about let's have a peace.
23:40The narrative in Moscow is let's win.
23:44So we don't talk anymore in Europe nor in D.C. about winning a war that we didn't have started.
23:50We were attacked.
23:51We didn't.
23:52We always talk about let's have peace.
23:53So Putin knows that.
23:55And Christian and I at the break discussed Putin wants more.
23:59He wants to grab.
24:00The conversation in Russia is about grabbing more.
24:02Exactly.
24:03Because if you give land in exchange for peace, tomorrow you'll have another war so they can take more land for pretended peace.
24:10I was in an official delegation in Latvia and I could see into Russia.
24:15The first billboard in Russia, once you pass the checking point, it's victory.
24:20So their mindset since their young age, kids in Russia are educated to win this war against the West.
24:27This is not the war that started in 2014 nor in 2008.
24:30It started way earlier than that.
24:32If we don't change our mindset to understand that we have on the other side, it's not even the other side of the table because they're not at the table.
24:39The other side of the battlefield pretty much.
24:42An opponent that really wants to wipe you out, you will not be able to win this war.
24:46So I would use exactly the same narrative as Ronald Reagan used to say when he was asked, how do you think the Cold War is going to end?
24:52Very simple.
24:53We win, they lose.
24:54And on that point, we can bring this segment to an end and move on to our fifth and final round.
25:03Our guest MEPs are only allowed answer my question with a yes and no answer.
25:08Is that doable, Christian?
25:09Yes, bring it on.
25:11Should Ukraine join the European Union?
25:13Yes.
25:14Yes.
25:15Should they be fast-tracked into the European Union?
25:17Yes.
25:18Yes.
25:19Should Ukraine be allowed join NATO?
25:22That is still on the...
25:26That's a very...
25:27That's not a binary.
25:28Yes or no?
25:29Yes.
25:30What about peacekeepers?
25:31Should we be sending EU peacekeepers to Ukraine, Christian?
25:33We should send more weapons to Ukraine.
25:35And peacekeepers?
25:36When the time comes, yes.
25:37We should indeed.
25:38Absolutely.
25:39And I would be absolutely delighted if our Irish peacekeeping forces could go to Ukraine.
25:43They have a wonderful history.
25:44Should the EU have an army?
25:45Yes.
25:46Yes.
25:47But it already has a national army.
25:49We need to make sure that they work together and fight for the same cause.
25:52Should the EU have a European army with the European flag?
25:55If I understand it in the way you're putting the question, no, I don't believe in that.
25:59Should we use frozen Russian acids to fund Ukraine?
26:03Most definitely.
26:04Yes.
26:05Yes.
26:06Should we block then the Belgian veto for this?
26:08Well, we need to talk more inside of EU to make sure that they understand the game that
26:14is played here.
26:15Yes.
26:16To his answer.
26:17I agree with his answer.
26:18It's nuanced.
26:19And if the war did end and Russia did come around, should we lift the sanctions against
26:23Russia, Cynthia?
26:25Yes, I believe in the spirit of finality of the war.
26:29But, of course, Putin doesn't believe in finality.
26:32He just wants more.
26:33He wants to make the Russian Empire great again or better than it is now.
26:38Christian?
26:39We need to make sure that Russia loses this war.
26:42The sanctions should be kept in place until they fully pay Ukraine for the damage that
26:48they've done.
26:49Have you agreed with each other?
26:50I think quite a lot, right?
26:51Well, this is a topic that despite our ideological differences, you know, this is a topic that
26:56unites us.
26:57I know this show is more about fighting and stuff.
27:02Sometimes politicians from different political groups will need to understand that there are
27:06issues that exceed their political differences.
27:09Exactly.
27:10And this is one.
27:11I hope this program renews the viewers' interest and support for the European project.
27:16We certainly have shown our viewers, I believe, a glimpse of the European hemicycle
27:19where sometimes MEPs disagree and sometimes, in fact, they agree.
27:23Cynthia Mirku and Christian Thersh, thank you so much for being our guests.
27:26on The Ring.
27:27Thanks, Maeve.
27:28Thank you.
27:29And thank you so much for watching.
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