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00:00Tonight on 106 in Sports, we're counting down the top sports stories that are feeding the culture.
00:06NBA legends Gary Payton and Tim Hardaway Sr. are here to talk about rivalries, fatherhood, and the past, present, and future of the NBA.
00:14We explain why more people need to be watching HBCU football, and a new league is coming for some of the WNBA's biggest stars, and they're offering some big money.
00:24What city is getting a new NBA team, and have international players caught up or surpassed American athletes?
00:31All this and more, this is 106 in Sports.
00:46Welcome everybody to 106 in Sports.
00:50Look, it is the day before Thanksgiving, so we're doing things a little different.
00:53We're doing it family style, so I'm hanging out in the audience, but I'm hanging out with the lit side of the audience.
01:02Yeah, the real lit side, for sure.
01:06Don't worry about it.
01:07Boo!
01:08Watch this.
01:09Boo!
01:09Watch this.
01:11Watch this.
01:12Because I'm going to prove that this is the littest, most livest side.
01:18When I say ah, you say boo.
01:21You ready?
01:21You ready?
01:22Yeah.
01:23Oh!
01:24Oh!
01:25You know what?
01:26I gotta say.
01:27I gotta say.
01:28I gotta say.
01:29You know what?
01:30Oh!
01:31The...
01:32Oh!
01:33Oh!
01:34That's cute.
01:35But right now, we're going to get this show started, so let's go this way.
01:39We ain't gotta worry about much.
01:40We got security over there.
01:41You hear that?
01:42Honey mustard security.
01:43Wow!
01:44Yeah!
01:45How much you bench?
01:46He said you?
01:47Watch out now.
01:48Watch out now!
01:49He said Thanksgiving.
01:50He said you just give me a whole plate of Ashley and I'll be straight.
01:52You feel what I'm saying?
01:53We're counting down the top five moments in sports that matter to what?
01:54The culture.
01:55Yes, and like we said, tomorrow is Thanksgiving, so let's take a look at some of this week's
02:00highlights.
02:01First up, Beyonce and Jay-Z pulled up to the F1 Grand Prix in Las Vegas.
02:02That's Formula One.
02:03The global racing series with cars that go up to 200 miles an hour.
02:04And B got a hot lap with Louis Vuitton.
02:06He said you just give me a whole plate of Ashley and I'll be straight.
02:09You feel what I'm saying?
02:10We're counting down the top five moments in sports that matter to what?
02:11The culture.
02:12Yes, and like we said, tomorrow is Thanksgiving, so let's take a look at some of this week's
02:17highlights.
02:18First up, Beyonce and Jay-Z pulled up to the F1 Grand Prix in Las Vegas.
02:23That's Formula One, the global racing series with cars that go up to 200 miles an hour.
02:28And B got a hot lap with Lewis Hamilton, making the race feel like a full-on celebrity event.
02:35Meanwhile, in the NFL, the Chiefs rallied to beat the Colts 23-20 thanks to Harrison Bucker's
02:41game-winning field goal in overtime.
02:43And Shadour Sanders won his Browns debut, throwing for 209 yards and a touchdown in a
02:50win over the Raiders 24-10.
02:53Shout out to Shadour.
02:54We're gonna jump into number five on the countdown.
03:01Number five on our countdown is all about our favorite topic, and that is HBCUs.
03:07Every Thanksgiving, the classics take over.
03:09Absolutely.
03:10HBCU football isn't just a tradition.
03:12It's entertainment.
03:13The energy, the music, the culture.
03:15And two of the biggest games of the year happened.
03:18The Thanksgiving holiday weekend, the Turkey Day Classic, and the Bayou Classic.
03:23Now, granted, NBC Sports has media rights to the Bayou Classic through 2027, but that's just one of the few televised games.
03:31Networks still air random games between losing teams instead of other HBCU games with history, talent, and a halftime show better than most bowl games.
03:41But I want to ask this question.
03:43What needs to happen to get more eyes on HBCUs?
03:47Yeah.
03:48I mean, okay, Kim.
03:49So let's get into it.
03:50I mean, in your opinion, what is holding back the coverage?
03:54Is it marketing?
03:55Is it the perception of HBCUs, the type of talent that HBCU collegiate teams possess or don't possess?
04:03Where is the disconnect here?
04:04The disconnect is this.
04:06You got some teams like the Auburn and Alabama game that everybody going to be locked in for.
04:13Mm-hmm.
04:14You got the Michigans and Ohio State.
04:16And this year, this year, we're actually going to have a game like no other.
04:23The Georgia Tech and Georgia game?
04:25Like, that's going to be...
04:26Yeah, we'll be back.
04:27You feel what I'm saying?
04:30But all them other ones, man, y'all can miss me with that.
04:34It's because, like, I find myself so oftentimes watching games that are irrelevant.
04:41Okay.
04:42Respectfully.
04:43Irrelevant in what sense?
04:44Entertainment irrelevant.
04:45Okay.
04:46It's like, that's a losing team, that's a losing team.
04:48But I might as well see something that's entertaining that impacts the culture.
04:53Because this is the thing.
04:55The reason why you became a Dallas Cowboy fan...
04:58Mm-hmm.
04:59...in more ways than one...
05:00I heard that, boo.
05:01Hold on to it.
05:02It's okay.
05:04The reason why you became a Dallas Cowboy fan is because the Dallas Cowboys were on TV a lot.
05:10Of course.
05:11Well, that's the reason my dad became a Cowboys fan.
05:12For sure.
05:13Which then trickled down to me.
05:14For sure.
05:15What I would say is, I would challenge any individual that were to experience the HBCU culture.
05:22Because everybody in my family went to an HBCU.
05:25Now, I did witness the Auburn-Alabama game.
05:30Which is an insane atmosphere.
05:32Insane.
05:33Incredible.
05:34Yes.
05:35For those other HBCU things.
05:38And when you walk into the airport and you see, you know, a Howard sweatshirt or a TSU sweatshirt.
05:44Or my parents met at Savannah State.
05:46When you see those type of things, it's an alliance and an allegiance that matches nothing.
05:52You know what I'm saying?
05:53For sure.
05:54So, for that, for the TV rights, I just challenge the networks to really give opportunities to HBCUs.
06:00Because it's worth the watch.
06:02I mean, football, Thanksgiving, it makes sense with an S, but we need y'all to make it make sense with a C.
06:13Don't let that fly over your head.
06:14Don't let that fly over your head.
06:15Don't let that fly over your head.
06:16Don't let that fly over your head.
06:17Please don't.
06:18Well done.
06:19Very clever.
06:20Very clever.
06:21Okay, one thing that you gotta do on Thanksgiving is you gotta eat.
06:23I know, that's right.
06:24Look.
06:25Huh?
06:26Because this is 106 in sports, we're gonna do it our way.
06:30For real?
06:31It is time for the Thanksgiving Fantasy Draft.
06:42Okay, so here's what we're going to do.
06:44Just like the NBA and just like the NFL, we're gonna have ourselves a little draft.
06:47You know a thing or two about the NFL draft.
06:49Mm.
06:50Yeah.
06:51So, but instead of drafting players, Cam, we're gonna be drafting Thanksgiving food.
06:55Okay.
06:56All right.
06:57So here's how it's going to work.
06:58Look at this.
06:59We've got the board here.
07:00We're gonna take turns going back and forth until each of us has picked five items.
07:05Then the live-est audience is gonna decide whose house or whose table they wanna eat at.
07:12Okay.
07:13All right.
07:14Ladies first.
07:15Yes, go right ahead.
07:16Okay.
07:17Go right ahead.
07:18I'm gonna go ahead and take mac and cheese off the board.
07:22Let's go, Cam.
07:23And with the first pick, the Cam Newton eaters, oh, decides to go with vegetarian stuffing.
07:34Already lost.
07:36Okay.
07:37Okay.
07:38Okay.
07:39Okay.
07:40Um, I'm going to take along with my mac and cheese, I'm gonna go with the turkey.
07:49Okay.
07:50Okay.
07:51I don't eat pork.
07:52That's the only reason.
07:53Okay.
07:54Okay.
07:55Okay.
07:56Uh, we're gonna go with the yams.
08:06Okay.
08:07Okay.
08:08Okay.
08:09Okay.
08:10Uh, excuse me.
08:11Excuse me.
08:12Come on back.
08:13Come on back.
08:14I had to make a point.
08:15Oh, okay.
08:16Uh, we were talking about the yams on the plate and in the bed.
08:20Okay.
08:21Okay.
08:22Okay.
08:23Um, well, with the third pick in my draft, I'm gonna go and take the greens.
08:34Okay.
08:35Uh, with the third pick, we're going to go with cranberry sauce with our stuffing.
08:47Um, ladies and gentlemen, with the fourth pick in the 2025 Thanksgiving drag, Ashley selects
08:57the cornbread.
08:58Uh, Cam Newton's eaters goes with the rice.
09:12Okay.
09:14That sounds lovely.
09:16Okay.
09:17Okay.
09:18My final pick in the 2025 Thanksgiving draft will be sweet potato pie.
09:32Thank you very much.
09:34Thank you very much.
09:39With the fifth and final pick.
09:45Yeah.
09:46Of the 2025 Thanksgiving fantasy draft, Cam Newton's eaters decides to go rob Ashley's
09:59house for her mac and cheese.
10:04You dig what I'm saying?
10:05We're going to take her mac and cheese.
10:07We're going to take her mac and cheese.
10:09We're going to take her mac and cheese.
10:12We're going to take her mac and cheese.
10:14Put your mac on.
10:15Well, are you forfeiting your final pick?
10:19Auntie, listen, listen.
10:20You got pumpkin pie left.
10:21Listen.
10:22You got pumpkin pie left.
10:23Listen.
10:24You got pumpkin pie left.
10:27You can draft the pumpkin pie.
10:29Baby.
10:30Baby girl, you must understand this.
10:33Um, I don't know who needed to tell her, but I'm going to tell her that we don't eat
10:39no pumpkin pie.
10:40There ain't no pumpkin pie.
10:41There ain't no pumpkin pie.
10:42There ain't no pumpkin pie.
10:43There ain't no pumpkin pie.
10:44You took two potato pie.
10:46And I was not going to disrespect my team by bringing in some pumpkin pie.
10:52So we're going to go to Ashley's house and take her mac and cheese.
10:59Well, look, I just want the record to show that at Ashley's Thanksgiving, we're going to
11:09have turkey, greens, mac and cheese, cornbread, and sweet potato pie.
11:16And we are also going to have a plethora.
11:26My security is right here because Cam's going to try to rob us.
11:30Hey, Cam.
11:31Yeah, Cam.
11:32Don't step in my boy.
11:33Hey, Cam.
11:34Don't step in my boy.
11:35Do something then.
11:37Hey, um, I'm going to just tell you like this.
11:41Yeah.
11:42If y'all want to go to Ashley's house for Thanksgiving, make some noise.
11:55Okay, okay, okay, okay.
11:58If y'all want to go to Cam's house for Thanksgiving, make some noise.
12:04Don't worry about it.
12:06I have y'all know.
12:09I have y'all know that if you decided to go to Ashley Nicole Moss' house for Thanksgiving
12:17and her dinner selections, she's going to have the veggies and the proteins.
12:21They didn't give me no beans.
12:23We would have had lentils.
12:25Uh, but it's all right, though.
12:26It just keeps getting worse and worse.
12:29That's all right.
12:30Lentils?
12:31That's all right.
12:32Okay.
12:33We got Big Unc Energy in the building.
12:35Two legendary NBA Hall of Famers are coming up.
12:38Gary Payton and Tim Hardaway Sr. are here.
12:41Plus, are the Grizzlies heading to Vegas?
12:44Ooh.
12:45Make sure you don't move.
12:46This is 106 in Sports.
12:48To see who's up next in the world of sports, go to BET.com for our next up series presented by Jeep Grand Cherokee.
12:56Welcome back, everybody, to 106 in Sports, where culture meets the game.
13:07We are still counting down our top five moments feeding the culture.
13:12But before that, we have a very special guest in the building.
13:16You ready for our first guest of the show?
13:19Yeah.
13:20Yeah.
13:21Here we go.
13:22He's a true legend of the game.
13:23One of the toughest defenders and biggest smack talkers in NBA league history.
13:29He is also a Hall of Famer, an NBA and two-time Olympic champion.
13:34The first point guard ever to win the DPOY, that is Defensive Player of the Year.
13:40Please, everybody, welcome NBA great, Gary Payton.
13:50What's up, man?
13:55What's up with you?
13:56How you doing, man?
13:57You good?
13:58How you doing?
14:02Well, OG came in here like this, but hey, come on.
14:06But he smooth with it, ain't he?
14:08Do I need to sit in between y'all and let the Holy Ghost get through?
14:11Lord Jesus!
14:12Hey, wait.
14:13First of all, let me tell y'all about that little segment y'all just did with that food.
14:17Give it to him.
14:18Give it to him.
14:19Man, I'm gonna give y'all a picture of my food, man.
14:21You're a vegetarian.
14:22You don't eat pork, right?
14:23Yes.
14:24But that wasn't happening in the day, man.
14:26We was gonna have them yams, cabbage.
14:28Yeah.
14:29That's how we was rolling, you know?
14:30We had a salad.
14:31We had about nine different things that you can bing, bing, bing, bing.
14:34Not the bing, bing, bing, bing.
14:36You know what I'm saying?
14:37Bro, you had to bing, bing, bing it, man.
14:39You know what I'm saying?
14:40Me and do it like that.
14:41Yeah.
14:42Listen, when we intro'd you, we gave a list of accolades.
14:45But we also mentioned you were one of the best trash talkers in NBA history.
14:49Is the trash talk something that still happens over Thanksgiving?
14:52No.
14:53I'm a grown man and a parent now.
14:55You know what I'm saying?
14:56You know what I'm saying?
14:57I got them little grandbabies running around, so I can't talk all that mess.
15:00Well, y'all said that the devil's still lying in 2025.
15:05Because the people want to know.
15:07What was you and Kevin Durant talking about on the little docuseries?
15:12You know what I'm saying?
15:13Like, you was putting it together, brother.
15:15But, Cam, I ain't no punk.
15:16Hello.
15:17I'm still gonna say something.
15:18Come on.
15:19You know what I'm saying?
15:20Then I said, I'm on the roof.
15:21You know what I'm saying?
15:22Oh.
15:23Which I am on the roof.
15:24You feel me?
15:25Yeah.
15:26Good.
15:27But we had a little fun.
15:28You know?
15:29Right.
15:30And that's what we had to do.
15:31We had a fun during the game.
15:32And he took it to the level.
15:33And then I took it to another level.
15:34He took it to another.
15:35And then we kept on.
15:36Cool.
15:37Do you think that Kevin Durant gets a bad rep because he is someone who likes to clap back?
15:41Do you think that people will misunderstand him?
15:43I think he's just like Kobe.
15:46He was just misunderstood.
15:48He's a guy who's gonna fire back at you.
15:50He's gonna do the things that he has to do.
15:52And I just think sometime you gotta tone it down.
15:55I don't think KD is wrong about nothing he does.
15:58Yeah.
15:59As long as you can back it up.
16:00That's why I talked a lot of smack, a lot of trash on the court.
16:03Because couldn't nobody deal with me on the basketball court.
16:06I wanna ask you in this facet because a lot of times, everybody always says,
16:12this person could not play in this day and age.
16:16I want you to identify the players that's in the league right now
16:22that could be successful when you were playing in the NBA.
16:27Ooh.
16:28I think KD could've played in my era.
16:30I think LeBron could've played in my era.
16:33I think Steph could've played in our era.
16:35He would've got beat up a little bit, but he could've been almost like an Allen Iverson.
16:39Yeah.
16:40You know, running around.
16:41And he runs alone.
16:42Doing things like that.
16:43Yeah.
16:44I think they would've been different to adjust to our era.
16:46Because we had a lot of rules.
16:47They're more up and down the floor.
16:49Yeah.
16:50But everybody can adjust.
16:51We were blessed a couple years ago to see the documentary The Last Dance.
16:57And you were on record for making the message to MJ.
17:03Those type of battles, what were they like for you to be an individual that had to face a guy like Michael Jordan?
17:11Great.
17:12Because I wanted to play him every day.
17:14I wanted to play everybody every day.
17:16I don't run away from nobody.
17:17When Mike played me in the finals, and every time he played me, I wanted all that smoke.
17:24But you gotta understand, he had to come back and guard me too.
17:26Mm-hmm.
17:27So everybody said they have dogs.
17:29My daddy raised a wolf.
17:31I eat dogs.
17:32Jerry West said that.
17:33One of my favorite quotes he ever said.
17:35But we're gonna continue to pick Gary's brain as we dive into the number four story on our countdown.
17:41And it's all about relocation.
17:43There's a lot of talk around the league that the Pelicans and the Grizzlies could be the next NBA teams that's on the move.
17:50Both franchises have expiring arena deals, and reports say low attendance and money trouble could open the door for relocation.
17:59When a team leaves, a city loses more than fans.
18:02It's pride, jobs, and identity.
18:05We've seen it before in Cleveland after LeBron left, and Gary, we saw it in Seattle when your Sonics became the OKC Thunder.
18:14People oftentimes forget the humanistic side of being an athlete.
18:21Can you talk to us about any type of relocation from either a trade or in a situation where a whole team just pack up and leave and go to another city?
18:30It's hard to take a team away from a city.
18:34I don't care what nobody says.
18:36That breaks people's heart.
18:37It breaks fans' heart.
18:39And it broke our hearts from Seattle.
18:41And it's going on almost 18 years that we haven't had a team.
18:44And we want our team back.
18:46And we're pushing for that.
18:48Moving Memphis and the Pelicans will be the wrong move.
18:51But I think we need to have new franchise come in, and we can build it up from there.
18:56So it's not necessarily about relocation, it's about expansion.
18:59Yeah.
19:00Because I think most people remember the last players the Supersonics drafted, it was Kevin Durant and Westbrook.
19:04Westbrook.
19:05Right, and then they became the Oklahoma City Thunder.
19:06So can you walk me through that moment when you found out that the Supersonics were no longer going to be the Seattle Supersonics?
19:14Because I'm interested from your vantage point what that was like.
19:17It was devastating.
19:18Because what I had heard is that we had the team to stay.
19:24And then all of a sudden, boom, they announced it.
19:28That's devastating to see a team that I played for 13 years.
19:32We still talk about the Seattle Supersonics of today.
19:35Yeah.
19:36And I'm still being a big part of it to get it back to our Seattle.
19:40So how close are we, because we've heard Kevin Durant talk about it, we've heard Adam Silver talk about it.
19:46At one point we heard, rest in peace, David Stern talk about it.
19:49But how close are we to actually getting the Supersonics back in Seattle?
19:53Very close.
19:54We got everything.
19:55We got the Seahawks.
19:56We got the Mariners.
19:57We got the Storm.
19:59We got everything.
20:01Got that NHL.
20:02We got everything.
20:03I think it's close.
20:04Very, very close.
20:05We like that.
20:06Go ahead.
20:07Yeah, clap it up for the Supersonics, for real.
20:08That would be amazing.
20:10Kevin Durant gets his jersey retired in the rafters before he hangs it up.
20:14But would it be?
20:15It was the team that drafted him.
20:17It wasn't his fault that it became the Thunder.
20:20Well, we got to go with Sean Kemp.
20:22That's what I'm saying.
20:23There's a lot of people.
20:24But I'm saying.
20:25I'm not going to even say it myself.
20:26I'm just going to be honest.
20:27I'm going to say it.
20:28I'll do that last.
20:29I'm going to say it.
20:30I do think it would be cool for him to sign a one day contract and go back to the team that introduced him to the NBA.
20:35I'll tell you, I think that's what he's really waiting for.
20:37Mmm.
20:38He wants to do that.
20:39I think my son is born and raised from there.
20:41Yeah.
20:42He wants to go back there.
20:43A lot of people want to play for Seattle.
20:45And I think that's why the reason that it should come back and it will be back.
20:50Well, look, your lips to God's ears that soon enough we will be seeing the Seattle Supersonics back on our NBA schedules.
20:59Look, the legendary Gary Payton is not going anywhere.
21:01He's coming back later in the show.
21:03So don't move because Tim Hardaway Sr. is in the building.
21:07Plus, the countdown continues.
21:09This is 106 in sports.
21:20Welcome back, everybody, to 106 in sports where culture meets the game.
21:24It's almost time for us to get into the number three on our countdown.
21:28But before that, you guys ready for our next guest?
21:33He's one of the coldest point guards to ever do it.
21:36A five-time All-Star and Hall of Famer who changed the game with his own crossover.
21:41Ooh, the creator of the killer crossover, a Miami Heat legend, an Olympic gold medalist.
21:49And he's one of the few whose moves still get copied by players today.
21:54Everybody, please welcome NBA icon Tim Hardaway Sr.
22:11We're coming down.
22:14We good.
22:15How are you?
22:16We good.
22:17We're good, we're good.
22:18Hello.
22:19Hello, hello.
22:20Welcome.
22:22Come on in.
22:23Got your seat, your seat, yeah.
22:24Right here.
22:25Like, how did you come up with the move?
22:26Let's just, let's start with that because, like, nowadays there's been so many hezzies and different forms of crossing over.
22:34Mm-hmm.
22:35But you were the originator of the crossover.
22:40Yeah, you know, I grew up in Chicago, and I patterned my game after Isaiah Thomas.
22:45Mm-hmm.
22:46And we used to have, like, on the concrete, if you dribble outside of the concrete on the grass, you was out of bounds, so you had to get the ball up.
22:54So you had to stay in a box.
22:56So it was a tight box where you had to stay in.
22:58And when kids tell me, ah, I can't go and work on my game by myself, that's insulting my intelligence.
23:05Wow.
23:06Because I went downstairs, you know, it's snowing outside, it's two degrees outside, there's nowhere to go.
23:12And I used to go downstairs and visualize playing a basketball game downstairs with a ball, two beams, eight-foot-tall ceiling, and two walls.
23:25I used to pass off the wall and just come down and do crossover moves, in and out moves, behind the back move, and just visualize playing against guys that people thought that was better than me.
23:35Mm.
23:36So when I went out and played basketball, it was easy. Dribbling was easy. Other, you know, the game just was easy to me, because I worked at it for an hour, hour and a half downstairs.
23:46Yeah.
23:47And you know, so when kids tell me I can't work on my game by myself, that's insulting my intelligence, because that's what I did.
23:53Right.
23:54When we were kind of talking about it, and we were talking about you, we said we see a lot of you in so many different players, just aspects of your game, whether it's your ball handling, whether it's the crossover, whether it's just your tenacity.
24:07Who's a player that you see so much of yourself in and you can't name your son?
24:14You know, Darius Garland from Cleveland Cavaliers. Kay Cunningham.
24:19Who's having a phenomenal season right now.
24:21Yes, Kay Cunningham is having a phenomenal season right now.
24:24Yeah, for sure.
24:26How are you feeling about his development as a player?
24:28So Kay Cunningham, first of all, he's healthy.
24:30Right.
24:31You know, these past two years, he's been healthy.
24:34And the coaching staff, bigger staff, he's put the ball in Kay's hand.
24:38He's saying, look, run my team the way you did at Oklahoma State, because you was number one pick here with the Detroit Pistons.
24:45So you come here, you run a team like you're supposed to run it, and he's just taking off.
24:49He put the team on his back last year.
24:51For you in basketball, what is the biggest issue that you have with fundamentals or the game from the younger generation?
25:00They don't work on their craft.
25:01They don't work on their game.
25:02You know, we used to play one-on-one.
25:04For sure.
25:05You know, Gary Payton and I, it's a funny story.
25:07We went to the same recruiting trip at Texas El Paso.
25:13Wow.
25:14UTEP.
25:15UTEP.
25:16And we was playing whole court, me and Gary.
25:20And after practice, me and him was playing.
25:22And they was like, where's Tim and Gary at?
25:24Yeah.
25:25They had to come back down there and get us.
25:27And they thought we was coming back up.
25:28We kept playing for another 30 minutes.
25:30Wow.
25:31They had to come take the ball from us.
25:33Rip it from you.
25:34Rip it.
25:35That's how competitive we are.
25:36I don't think these kids play one-on-one.
25:39And when they do play one-on-one, it's a camera phone.
25:42Everywhere is a camera phone.
25:43And everybody wanna show this on social media, show that on social media.
25:48They don't wanna get embarrassed.
25:50Either you're gonna get embarrassed in front of 20,000 people, or you're gonna get embarrassed on social media.
25:55You're still gonna get embarrassed.
25:56I tell kids, you're gonna get dunked on.
25:58You're gonna get crossed over.
26:00You're gonna get three-pointer shot on you.
26:02You're gonna shoot air balls.
26:03That's just the name of the game.
26:05But you gotta come out here and work on your game.
26:07And I think a lot of these kids, and I commend Butler.
26:12Jimmy Butler.
26:13Jimmy Butler.
26:14For playing one-on-one with guys to get their game better and to make them understand.
26:18We hit a ball.
26:19We hit them win something.
26:20And that's what it was when we was growing up.
26:22Yeah, for sure.
26:23I mean, you worked on your game so much, you're now in the Hall of Fame.
26:25Yeah.
26:26Okay?
26:27So clap it up.
26:28The Hall of Famer.
26:29I gotta show y'all something.
26:30I got a book coming out.
26:31Yes.
26:32Killer Crossover, your book.
26:33I got a book coming out November the 11th.
26:35Killer Crossover from the Streets of Chicago to Basketball Royalty.
26:39It talks about everything, how I grew up, my parents, all that type of stuff, how I dealt
26:44with my son.
26:45Mm-hmm.
26:46You know, me and Gary, we have similar ideas in what we did with our kids.
26:52Mm-hmm.
26:53Like, I tell people today, I had to be quiet.
26:55I had to shut up.
26:56Or my son wouldn't have made it to the NBA.
26:59So, as parents, like Gary said, let them learn.
27:02Mm-hmm.
27:03Let them learn.
27:04Let them go out there and play and understand what they need to do to get better.
27:08And let them go through the tribes and tribulations of getting better.
27:13Because I wanted his mentality to be just like mine.
27:17We gotta understand, our kids grew up with a silver spoon in their mouth.
27:21We grew up with playing in dirt every day.
27:24That's fact.
27:25So, and we had to grind for it every day.
27:27Yeah.
27:28It's time for us to get into our number three topic, and that is all about a global women's
27:33basketball league called Project B.
27:35They just made a major move by signing Seattle Sounder and WNBA Players Union President Nneka Agumake to a seven-figure deal.
27:46Damn.
27:48Seven figures?
27:50Yeah, seven.
27:51Let me borrow a dollar.
27:53For years, WNBA players have been talking about low pay.
27:57Project B is saying you don't have to choose between love of the game and getting paid.
28:03Now, Tim, obviously we are in a very important time of the WNBA because there is a potential lockout looming.
28:12What does the future of the WNBA look like?
28:14Well, first of all, kudos to her, and kudos to her making a business decision.
28:20You always got to make business decisions.
28:23And I always say take the money.
28:25Take the money.
28:26Get that money.
28:29Don't need that money on the table because you can't get it back.
28:32Yeah.
28:33I always say that.
28:34So, I think that this is big.
28:36Yeah.
28:37For the WNBA.
28:38I think what's really, really big, if they go into a lockout, it's going to be a lot of players going overseas and playing overseas and going and get those figures overseas.
28:49If she gets a million dollars, what age is she going to be?
28:53Listen, we already knew what Ice Cube was offering her to play in the big three.
28:56She turned it down.
28:57Right.
28:58But look, Tim, you're not going anywhere because we are going to continue this conversation, but we want to know what you at home think.
29:04So, use the hashtag 106 in sports to join the conversation.
29:08And Tim Hardaway Sr. is still staying here.
29:10We also get Gary Payton back.
29:12Plus, we're still counting down the top stories in sports.
29:15And number two is all about second generation ballers.
29:19These guys know a thing about that.
29:20Don't move.
29:34Welcome back to 106 in sports.
29:39We're here with Gary Payton and Tim Hardaway Sr., two NBA legends.
29:43Now, we already know you guys have a relationship outside of the court, but when you played each other, who talked the most trash?
29:50We're going to say both.
29:51Yeah.
29:52We both, we both, we both.
29:53Come on, Cam.
29:54We both were competitive because Tim was in my home city.
29:58And, you know, we came back with each other doing things like that.
30:03And me and Tim was supposed to really play on the same team in college at El Paso.
30:08And we, it was always a rival there.
30:11You know what I'm saying?
30:12But we always have respect for each other because we grew up in the same type of neighborhoods and the same type of things.
30:19So, I'm going to put it like this, huh?
30:21Uh-oh.
30:22Since this is a Thanksgiving episode, we're going to have a whole round table discussion.
30:26And I'm going to give both of you a paragraph to make your point.
30:32You and your son versus him and his son.
30:36Oh!
30:38Who going to win?
30:39One paragraph.
30:40Anybody want to go first?
30:42This is so big.
30:43Dang.
30:44Hey, you know what?
30:45The plot thickens.
30:46But if all of us in our prime, that's going to be a good one.
30:49Yes.
30:50Because we're going to, we're going to, we're going to, we're going to muscle it up and be tough.
30:53Uh-huh.
30:54But who's going to win?
30:55I'm going to tell you this.
30:56I'm going to tell you this.
30:57Uh-huh.
30:58Whoever gets the ball last.
30:59Going to win.
31:00Is going to win.
31:01Make it.
31:02Take it.
31:03Right.
31:04Whoever gets the ball last.
31:05So if I get it and I go six in a row, that's game.
31:09Yeah.
31:10Oh, man, yeah.
31:11Well, I'm glad you mentioned both of your sons, or Cam mentioned both of your sons,
31:16because you both are fathers to current players.
31:19And that brings us to the number two story on our countdown.
31:22And it's all about the next generation of athletes.
31:25And it's not just about them carrying on the legacy of their names, but trying to make a legacy of their own.
31:31From Kaya and Anthony, to the Boozer twins, to all types of famous sons in college sports.
31:38They're all out here making headlines of their own.
31:41We've got two fathers who know their life firsthand.
31:44Both raised sons who made it to the league.
31:46So they know a thing or two about this position.
31:49Yeah, they're obviously doing something right.
31:51And I want to ask you guys, where is the line for you both between your last name opening doors,
31:58but your skill set keeping you in those rooms?
32:01I haven't seen too many of basketball players, great basketball players' sons become great basketball players.
32:08It's true.
32:09You know what I'm saying?
32:10Why do you think that is?
32:11We grew up different.
32:12Yeah, grew up.
32:13Our mentality is different.
32:14I'll give you one.
32:15You know, who?
32:16Curry.
32:17He's better than.
32:18He's better than.
32:19He's better than.
32:20So good ain't good.
32:21But his daddy was good, but I think he's better than.
32:24So you're saying it's either one or the other.
32:26Somebody has to.
32:27Gotta be great.
32:28And we haven't even seen two great basketball players.
32:32Son, father.
32:33So you're saying like a Michael Jordan and then a Michael Jordan.
32:35Who is gonna become Hall of Famers together.
32:38Together.
32:39Wow.
32:40Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's.
32:41We haven't seen one of them.
32:42And you think that goes to the origin, like the beginnings of your story, your basketball
32:47story, if you will.
32:48Of course, of course.
32:49Interesting.
32:50You know, and I, you know, like, I like what they doing with Carmelo's son.
32:53Yeah.
32:54They bringing him off the bench.
32:55They not giving it to him right now.
32:57You know, you gotta earn the respect of being a freshman.
33:00You gotta come in and go through the do's and don'ts of being a freshman.
33:04And he understands that when he comes on the court, he got more respect for his team
33:09and more respect for the game.
33:10Yeah.
33:11A lot of guys, it's, it's evident early.
33:13You know what I'm saying?
33:14I think in basketball, you have to have an element of skill that is not always translated
33:21or is, is patient for people to kind of digest.
33:25My question to you guys is, you see the shift of what's happening in Memphis, right?
33:31With Ja.
33:32And what would your advice kind of be for him?
33:36We know what he's capable of.
33:38And if you could send a message, what would that message be as he's going through what
33:43we know him to go through?
33:44Let me say this.
33:45Ja doesn't have a veteran.
33:48Mm.
33:49That we, we came in, we had a veteran or two or three that will smack you on your butt.
33:56Or bring you over here and say, yo man, this is not how we do things around here.
34:00This is what you gotta do.
34:01And this is how a team is supposed to be formed.
34:04And that was a big thing for us.
34:06When I came into the NBA, I had nine players who had played seven or eight more years in
34:13the NBA.
34:14I had to go around and carry coffee to them at six in the morning.
34:19I had to take care of Xavier McDaniel's daughter and go pick her up from school.
34:24See, this is the type of growing up that you need and you, and you become that person.
34:29But when you get these big millions and don't know what to do, it seems to make you be messed
34:34up.
34:35Yeah.
34:36And I see it too.
34:37I see it as he's not having fun.
34:38I want him to go back to having fun.
34:40And Ja, if you listen to me right now, I think, God, you just gotta go back to yourself.
34:46We'll be right back with more from these two legends.
34:49This is 106 in Sports.
34:59Welcome back, everybody, to 106 in Sports.
35:05We're here with Gary Payton and Tim Hardaway Sr.
35:08We are finally down to our number one topic.
35:11Something to think about.
35:12Is the globalization of sports hurting American athletes?
35:15The 2025 World Series was the most watched in 34 years.
35:2051 million people tuned in across the U.S., Canada, and Japan, all thanks to stars like
35:26Shohei Otani.
35:27At the same time, the NFL is playing games in Berlin and Madrid, and the NBA hasn't had
35:32an American MVP in seven years.
35:34It's proof that the world's not just watching, it's competing.
35:38And is the U.S. still home of the best players or just the biggest leagues?
35:42When you guys played, it was Americans that were dominating.
35:47Now, with it being...
35:48In the NBA.
35:49Specifically in the NBA.
35:51Specifically in the NBA.
35:52How do we get back to Americans dominating the sport?
35:56Or are we thinking too much into it?
35:58And before you guys answer that, I want to give everybody some context.
36:00The last few MVPs in the NBA have all been what?
36:03International players.
36:05Well, I think that we don't have more players like me and Tim now.
36:09In the 90s, we had a basketball player at every position.
36:13This is true.
36:14And I think that the 400 players are catching up.
36:17There have been a league play since they were 14.
36:19Right.
36:20Since they were 14.
36:21Yeah, they've been playing like NBA basketball.
36:23Yeah.
36:24I mean, look at Wemby.
36:25Now, the 2028 Olympics coming up in L.A., you have to think.
36:27Wemby's gonna be playing for Team France.
36:29I'm scared.
36:30SGA's gonna be playing for Canada.
36:32I'm scared.
36:33Is the U.S. in danger of no longer having the best talent, the best homegrown talent,
36:39when you look at the landscape of basketball?
36:42Well, I say it like this.
36:44We're not gonna have the Currys who made all the big shots in his Olympics this year.
36:49We won't have the LeBrons.
36:50Right.
36:51So these other younger guys, that's gonna have to step up.
36:54And it might...
36:56I don't know.
36:57I think it might...
36:58How you feeling?
36:59I'm very nervous.
37:00I don't see nobody that's going to go out there and wow us.
37:04You know, I think Tatum, Brown, after that...
37:07Booker.
37:08Booker.
37:09Donovan Mitchell.
37:10Anthony Edwards.
37:11You have the Johns.
37:12But I mean, and we just talking about guards.
37:15What makes me nervous the most is all our stars are older.
37:20Right.
37:21When I say older, 35...
37:22They're not gonna play.
37:23Well, Katie's gonna try.
37:24We know that.
37:25Yeah, but it's...
37:26Even if he tries, it's not a recipe for longevity.
37:31But I'm gonna tell you this, Cam.
37:32When we get to international play, you talking about streetball.
37:36Facts.
37:37Different rules.
37:38Different rules.
37:39Different rules.
37:40Different rules.
37:41I mean, you could push your stuff.
37:42Physicality is everything.
37:43The physicality is totally different from what they're playing now.
37:44Like, when we was on the 2000 team, we knew about the physicality.
37:48Mm-hmm.
37:49We went in there hitting people first.
37:50Yeah.
37:51These guys today, they gotta get back to being physical because they've been playing like
37:55this for so many years.
37:57Right.
37:58And I think what's gonna be good about us is that we're gonna be on our home soil this
38:01time.
38:02Yes.
38:03We're like, so the road, so the referee is gonna be a little bit different.
38:06Mm-hmm.
38:07But like what you guys said, it's scary because we don't know what player is gonna be able
38:11to come and show up.
38:12Right.
38:13Right.
38:14Canada is gonna be ready.
38:15Now these teams are gonna be ready.
38:16Canada got about eight.
38:172028 is definitely gonna be interesting and maybe even a little bit spooky.
38:22You heard it from two goats right here on 106 in Sports.
38:25That's gonna do it for us.
38:26Everybody, please clap it up for Gary Payne and Tim Hardaway Sr. for joining us.
38:32And thank you all for rocking with us.
38:34Make sure you hit us up using the hashtag 106 in Sports.
38:38Cam, as usual, you have the final word.
38:41It is Thanksgiving.
38:42Remember that.
38:43It is Thanksgiving and, you know, I'm not gonna lead us in a chant, but tender moment,
38:48vulnerable moment.
38:49My grandmother, this time last year, had I known that would be my last time witnessing
38:57or being a part of a Thanksgiving with her, I would've hugged on her a little bit more.
39:02I would've kissed her a little bit longer.
39:04I would've just stayed around her a little bit longer.
39:07So, do not take these moments for granted.
39:10And I'm sorry to bring it all the way down, but I'm gonna bring it back up.
39:14Everybody, on the count of three, tell me that you're thankful.
39:19Say thankful on three.
39:20One, two, three!
39:22Thankful!
39:23Appreciate you, as always.
39:24One finger, one pinky, one thumb.
39:26One love.
39:27You feel me?
39:28It's my love.
39:29You feel me?
39:38Let's try it."
39:40Bole!
39:41Alright, I didn't even talk like rule heck with baseball!
39:45Shout the way cold!
39:46I could see no brother scream on baseball!
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