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Hannah Einbinder ('Hacks'), Jessica Williams ('Shrinking'), Kathryn Hahn ('Agatha All Along,' 'The Studio'), Kristen Bell ('Nobody Wants This'), Michelle Williams ('Dying for Sex') and Natasha Lyonne ('Poker Face') join THR in Off Script With The Hollywood Reporter.
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00:00One thing I've started doing over the last couple years, and I believe you've gotten a few of them,
00:04but if I see something I love, you send a voice memo.
00:07It's the best.
00:08It's on you, bitch.
00:10How dare you be so good in this show?
00:15Because I just feel better when I'm throwing it out there.
00:17So I'm like, if I see someone in a role I love, you are getting a voice memo from me that night.
00:24If timing is everything in comedy, these women have the precision of a Rolex.
00:30We've gathered six hilarious actresses to talk about their work and what makes them, well, tick.
00:36Kristen Bell.
00:40Hannah Einbinder.
00:43Katherine Hahn.
00:46Natasha Lyonne.
00:49Jessica Williams.
00:51And Michelle Williams.
00:54They're on the record, but maybe just a little off script with The Hollywood Reporter.
01:00Hi, I'm Lacey Rose.
01:02I'm so excited to have you all here.
01:04Let's get into this.
01:05And we're going to start with a question for everyone.
01:08Katherine once said...
01:09Well...
01:10It's...
01:11Don't worry, wait, wait, wait.
01:13Quote, my friends and I were laughing because a million years ago on my IMDb page,
01:18it said Katherine Hahn, known for her over-the-top facial expression.
01:21Yes, that's true.
01:22Which had me wondering, what's the wildest or most amusing thing you've read about yourselves?
01:28That was pretty humbling to see that on my IMDb page.
01:31I kind of almost had to check myself.
01:33Known for her big faces.
01:35Yeah.
01:36I love that.
01:38I mean, Harrison Ford did call you his Yoda.
01:40Yeah, he doesn't like talking about that, so that was weird that he said that.
01:44I was like, he said what now?
01:45But yeah, I've seen it where it's like, ooh, irreverent, millennial, take no, you know,
01:51take sassy style, like sassy is one that I used to get a lot where you're just like,
01:55oh my God, sassy.
01:56Natasha, I did see one about you that I felt like was super funny.
01:59Oh, good.
01:59I think it's better than mine.
02:00Please tell me.
02:00I think it was Maya who said, Rudolph, who said this.
02:03She is a hooker with a heart of gold minus the hooker part.
02:07Oh, that's funny.
02:08Yes, but I do accept cash in exchange.
02:11Maya knows that.
02:11At various points, she was, I won't say pimp because that's weird.
02:16Yes.
02:17Heart of gold, though.
02:18Heart of gold.
02:19What were you going to say?
02:20Without the hooker part.
02:21Yeah, without the hooker part.
02:22I do like to, you know, charge a guy.
02:25This isn't appropriate.
02:27But, you know, if somebody spends a night, I'm a virgin.
02:29But if they do, even if I'm like, I'm already in love with this person, like, meh, leave
02:34a $2 bill, would you?
02:35Go source one.
02:36$2 bill.
02:37$2 bill.
02:38I think it sort of puts men in their place.
02:40Totally.
02:40You know what I mean?
02:40It's an exchange.
02:41You're paying them to leave, as you know.
02:44100%.
02:44I was going to say maybe a, because you know how net worth is the first thing that comes
02:49up on anybody?
02:50Uh-huh.
02:50I am susceptible to just clicking on it out of sheer curiosity.
02:55Like how you're doing?
02:56Just a measure of your, yeah.
02:57Yeah.
02:58And I'm like, I don't think that's true.
03:00Or I look at it and I think, well, it should be more.
03:04So then I have to call Maya and see if we can get any more gigs.
03:08Heart of gold.
03:09Heart of gold.
03:10I love that.
03:12I love that.
03:12It's fine.
03:13Normally I just, like, see, like, Jessica's feet.
03:15Like, photos of her feet.
03:15Oh, wiki feet.
03:16Yeah, I don't, I don't, nobody's asking about my net worth, I don't think, yet.
03:20I'm always like, whoa, I've spent a lot more money than I should have.
03:23If that's my net worth.
03:24Yeah.
03:25It's gone.
03:25Right, it's like, I got to do better.
03:27It's gone.
03:27Yeah.
03:28If you see a Kristen Bell type, a Natasha Lyonne type, an insert your name here type on a character
03:35breakdown, like, do you have a sense for...
03:38Whether or not you'll get it?
03:39What does it mean?
03:42I think for myself early on in Hacks, when Ava was kind of more all over the place, it
03:48was kind of like, messy, alcoholic, millennial bitch.
03:52That felt like kind of the, like, she's a mess and everything's going wrong.
03:57Like, that felt kind of the...
03:58That was the vibe.
03:59I don't know what it would be now, but I think that's pretty amazing.
04:03That's pretty amazing.
04:04That was, like, what people wanted me to do a lot back then.
04:06To me, it would be dependent on, like, what it's placed in, like, what the script is, you
04:11know?
04:11Because if it's, like, a Kristen Bell type and it's a story about a family, it's like,
04:14oh, like, maybe, like, a young, quirky mom.
04:17But then if it's, like, I don't know, a person who's...
04:20Probably quirky, because I keep going back to the word quirky.
04:22Like, it's going to be, like, oh, an older person who's dating, but she's kind of quirky.
04:27You know?
04:28Not...
04:28For me, it'd be, like, play this character 90% inside the lines and then, like, 10% all
04:33over here is how I interpret my vibe.
04:37Do you have a sense for what a Michelle...
04:39I don't know what I look like out there.
04:40I have no idea.
04:43To be perceived.
04:45Is that how you stay sane?
04:47Yeah.
04:48Yeah.
04:48Yeah, I guess.
04:51I don't...
04:51I really don't know.
04:53Like, try not to take on, like, what somebody might say I am or am not.
04:59Yeah, I had to stop.
05:00Michelle's burner account is buckwild.
05:03So not on Instagram at all, but the memes.
05:06Yeah, I had to stop, like, trying to be a certain way in my acting and, like, especially
05:12comedy.
05:13And I wasn't really, like, working as much.
05:16And then I know for me, with my choices, I try and do things as specific as possible
05:21so that nobody else could do that scene the way that I did it with those weird choices
05:27that I did.
05:28I can't worry anymore.
05:29Because if I'm self-conscious while I'm working, I'm not doing a good job.
05:32Like, I can't...
05:32I don't want to see my face.
05:33I don't want to see it back.
05:35I don't want to...
05:36You know, I don't really need that much feedback.
05:37I just want it out.
05:38And then that's it.
05:39Yeah.
05:39Because for comedy, it's like, you kind of have to be, like...
05:43And not, like, a fake ugly face, but, like, you know, when some girls are, like, I'm ugly.
05:48It's like, no, you need to...
05:49Like, you really need to go for it.
05:51Yeah, but you also, like, do come a point where you're trying to figure out if you're
05:54comfortable in the lane that you're in.
05:56Kristen, I feel like I heard you say at one point that your husband gave you sort of a piece
06:02of advice about this.
06:03She's here, though.
06:03Don't...
06:03Oh, and that's what I was going to say.
06:05Yes.
06:05She is?
06:06So, earlier...
06:08But it's fine.
06:08So, yeah, no, it's great.
06:10It's just embarrassing for me.
06:11But I guess that's why we're here.
06:13Good one.
06:13That's why I called you all here.
06:15Earlier on in my career, like, I don't know, probably, like, 15 years ago, when I felt
06:18like I wasn't booking the things I wanted to book, but I'm going to also bleed that into
06:24the things people wanted me to book.
06:26Sure.
06:26And it was like, oh, lost another role.
06:28Okay.
06:29No, it's Michelle Williams again.
06:30That's...
06:30Okay, great.
06:31No, it's Michelle.
06:31Okay, it's going to be Michelle.
06:32It's going to be Emily.
06:33Great.
06:34Perfect.
06:34Love it.
06:35Love those girls.
06:35So happy.
06:36And my husband was sitting in bed with me.
06:38He's like, you know what?
06:39Stop trying to drive in other people's lanes.
06:42You're not going to be Michelle Williams, ever.
06:45But you have a lane on the highway, and you can speed in it.
06:50So just do what you do and make your own lane.
06:54But you were the example name in that, because you are, like, this goddess of the craft.
07:02And he was saying, like, he was basically saying, not you in particular, but don't use
07:07a goal.
07:08Like, figure out something more internal.
07:10And it was when I really digested that.
07:13Like, oh, yeah, I'm just going to, like, do my thing and see if anyone likes it, as opposed
07:17to try to be anything else.
07:18And guess what?
07:19It worked.
07:20It started working.
07:22It is the only thing.
07:23It's like, the game is, like, trying to pay attention to your lane when there's so many
07:27other funny people and great people.
07:30And it's like, for me, that's the only thing that worked.
07:33It's like, I just, oh, what about this actress?
07:35Because we all have actresses that, like, are always in the conversation before.
07:40You know, that's our job.
07:41Let me make this very clear.
07:42I still want to be Michelle Boyd.
07:43Yeah.
07:45That has not gone away.
07:47Yeah.
07:47I just also like being Kristen.
07:49Yeah.
07:49Being Kristen's pretty great, too.
07:50Yeah.
07:51Gosh, I don't think I have a lane.
07:52I don't think of it.
07:54Like, I just, it's such chaos that I just kind of, like, I'm like, oh.
07:59I don't think the view is chaotic at all.
08:01I'm beginning to resent the word chaotic, because I think it undermines.
08:05Oh, my God, I'm so sorry.
08:05What did we get into this one?
08:07It undermines the power of what we do.
08:09But I'm just saying that there's so much about you, like, myriad colors, infinite.
08:13Yeah.
08:14But none of them do I think it was chaotic.
08:16And you're so singular.
08:17You're so singular.
08:18Like, you're so, like, I mean, I'm obsessed with you.
08:21I've been trying to be cool.
08:22But, like, I get teary when I talk, just because I'm feeling emotion.
08:26But you're so singular.
08:28Like, there's nobody like you.
08:30So, it's just funny how we all see ourselves.
08:32There's no crying at the comedy junkie.
08:33I cry all the time, dude.
08:35I cry all the time.
08:36Kristen, I'm going to go a little bit back in time.
08:38But you were cast in Frozen.
08:40And if I'm not mistaken, you pushed to have your character, Anna, be someone who you needed to see as an 11-year-old, as a 10-year-old.
08:49Yeah.
08:49Talk to me about what that was all about.
08:53What happened at 11?
08:55You don't have to tell us.
08:58I was, let's see, I was about 4'3", about 60 pounds.
09:03They thought I had a thyroid issue.
09:05I didn't.
09:05I was just a really slow developer.
09:06I think that when I booked that, I'd always wanted to be a part of Disney animation.
09:13I obsessively watched those movies as a kid.
09:16I had always sang.
09:17It was like a dream come true.
09:20And I read the script.
09:22And it was great, but it felt like something I'd seen before.
09:28It felt like this beautiful formula that always works.
09:31And I guess what that story is, is I really pushed, because I thought, I don't want to play the princess with good posture.
09:37I don't want to play Sleeping Beauty or Snow White, because I loved them as a kid, but I couldn't really, like, identify.
09:44I just, they were more like on a pedestal for me.
09:46And I wanted the girl that sat, I wanted the prince, the girl who had a princess crown on, but she sat like this and she talked too fast and she wore her heart on her sleeve and she said things that were embarrassing.
09:56And then she backtracked and she had accountability and she loved everyone ferociously.
10:00And so that was what I was trying to add there is, like, can we make her the person that I really needed to see on the pedestal when I was 11?
10:10Does that mean, like, a little bit broken or fractured or a little bit insecure a little, but while taking over the world?
10:15For sure, insecure, but in the way that, but not from any sort of, like, deep trauma, but just insecure in the way we all are insecure.
10:23Like, am I being accepted here? Can I try harder? All the things I felt like I was going through and still go through.
10:30Do I, a more, like, do I fit in kind of feeling and someone who, yeah, just wasn't fitting the profile of that.
10:39Yeah. So I guess my question, my follow on that is, for all of you or any of you, what are the subtle or not so subtle things that you push for in these characters that you play because it's something that you needed to see at any point in your life?
10:56And maybe it is right now.
10:58Well, buddy.
10:59Yeah.
10:59And I'll take it, folks.
11:00Take it.
11:00Take it away.
11:01Yeah.
11:02Um, I will say, yeah, that, like, um, and I, I sit next to my, my freaking icon here, my early queer.
11:10I really, I skated in on that one, but I'm into it.
11:12Yeah.
11:13I love it.
11:13I accept it.
11:14Like, um, my freaking queer icon over here.
11:17But, like, yeah, I think, um, what Hacks has been able to do for bisexual representation is give, like, a vivid inner life and a reality to, uh, this character.
11:27Obviously, we know that when people write to their own experience, something is just far more lived in.
11:32And as a queer actor myself playing a queer character, I can, you know, add my, my zest.
11:38So, it's like, yeah, it is, I mean, Ava and, like, even in this season, like, there is a polyamory arc that is just not fetishized or the butt of a joke.
11:47It's, it's all real.
11:48Wasn't cold.
11:49Yeah.
11:50Oh, my God, dream.
11:52But, yeah, like, it just, uh, it, it's, you know, there have been a lot of amazing queer films and, and queer television that has predated Hacks, of course.
12:02But, um, I do, it, it always, like, warms my heart when I get messages from people who feel like, oh, yeah, this is, like, a, an in-depth and non-fetishized representation of bisexuality.
12:13So, it's, it's nice, it's cool to be a part of, and, and I, too, reading it, like, even when I read the pilot, I was like, oh, wow, this is, like, immediately in the first episode, I feel it, I feel that this is a person I know.
12:23Do you feel like the, uh, this kind of, a queer component is something that you've slowly laid in track for?
12:28It was always embedded because you didn't want it to feel, like, um, front-footed?
12:32You'd want it to just be embedded?
12:33Oh, certainly, it's always been there.
12:35Like, you know, we, a lot of our writer's room are writing to their own experiences.
12:39Like, everything that we, you know, we have, like, older comedy writers, like, older female late-night writers in the writer's room.
12:47Like, everyone who is telling a story has a person and an incredibly talented comedy writer to represent that lived experience.
12:54Like, that is such a key thing.
12:56I think it's, like, this great symbiosis where, like, because I live a queer existence, like, I am able to, like, lend various, like,
13:05well, I don't know if they would be, like, coming at the same time in the shower.
13:09Like, perhaps there's, like, one person is, like, topping.
13:13You know what I mean?
13:13Like, so that type of a thing.
13:15Super wonderful.
13:16We do.
13:17You know?
13:18Like, just things like that on set.
13:20Uh-huh.
13:20Uh-huh.
13:20Sort of.
13:21And then also the inner life stuff, too.
13:24And the whole character.
13:25Also that.
13:26It is much harder, I think, to talk, you know, in full depth about process comedically for some reason that maybe has to do with this kind of 11-year-old shame.
13:37But sometimes I see these and it's all the boys and they're like, and then what I had to do was.
13:43For us, I think it's always a little bit, I don't know if it's a female thing or something, but you want to stay very humble on it as if it just kind of rolls off the duck back.
13:50But everything that everybody is saying, really, about, you know, embedding it with an inner life and a back story and that kind of thing, it's worth noting that it does, you know, require just the same amount of gnarly work, but then pretending like you're not doing anything.
14:04Yeah, sure.
14:04Something that I'm assuming is the truth for all of us.
14:07I think absolutely.
14:08Are there things that any of you have brought to these roles because they were things that you needed to see?
14:17I certainly feel like a lot of it is aspirational.
14:20Uh-huh.
14:21Like I sometimes, a lot of the time, feel like there's something I can say through someone else that I can't really say in my own life.
14:28Uh-huh.
14:28Like I remember thinking like I could only, when I was like a kid doing theater, I was like, oh, this is where I'm telling the truth.
14:34It's like between like the curtain up and down.
14:37So, yeah, I feel like I learn, it feels like I can be, there's certain things I, I'm sure you guys feel the same way that I can like touch that I, maybe I'm not ready to in my own life or that, um, it looks fun to try.
14:50Yeah.
14:50Yeah.
14:51Well, you don't have to go home with it, right?
14:52Yeah.
14:53Right.
14:53I mean, I don't want to be as like lofty as being like between action and cut, it's the, I feel most alive.
14:59I heard someone for real say that one time and I like-
15:01I do, I do, I have that.
15:02I do.
15:03You have that?
15:03I do.
15:04I don't know how I feel about that yet.
15:05I mean, I feel like I'm, it's like the, it's like, I'm like surfing or something.
15:11Like I feel like I, I'm making myself laugh.
15:14I'm listening to the other person.
15:15I don't have my phone.
15:16Nothing else matters.
15:17This is what I get paid to do, which is-
15:19I know, it's nuts.
15:20Awesome.
15:20It's like started doing this like make believe sort of thing as a kid.
15:25I always knew I wanted to do comedy when I was a kid.
15:27And like, now I get paid to do this thing and I'm so like in the moment and it is, it does, for me, it feels like a rush.
15:34Like it feels like I'm on drugs sometimes.
15:35I would agree with that, but I think more mine has to do with like an ADHD brain of like in real life, I'm like doing all the things at all the times and I can't focus.
15:45And when I come to work, I know that's my job.
15:47So what I can do is leave Kristen on back here.
15:51And what Kristen's paying attention to is where her camera is and where her mark is and what the lines are.
15:57But I also don't have to think of what to say because that's also kind of hard for my brain and I stumble a lot.
16:04I'm like, well, I know exactly what I'm going to say.
16:07I know exactly where I'm going to stand.
16:09And so now I can just be, it's kind of what we were talking about, about how you fall asleep if you put an audio book on.
16:14Yeah.
16:14So part of your brain has something to do and that's why I feel super calm when I'm doing it.
16:21But also to speak to what you were saying, like when the curtain goes up, why I at least sometimes would try things I wouldn't in my real life or say something more truthfully than I would in my real life is because you don't go home with any of the consequences of that character, right?
16:35Yeah, of course.
16:37Growing up, it's like I feel like I took pieces of people.
16:39There's like really amazing black female comic actors, like Queen Latifah was amazing, Whoopi Goldberg, Maya Rudolph.
16:46Jumping Jack Flash.
16:48Like, are you kidding me?
16:49Like, I mean, just these legends, but it still wasn't quite right.
16:53So I had to take like, I take all those pieces of these people and I even take like Tracy Morgan.
17:00Like I take like so Tina Fey, like all of it.
17:03And I just hear whatever's funny, it just sticks in my head and did as a kid.
17:07And I was like, whoever that weird kid is, like it's all, it's all, what I do now is just pieces of all those weird little things because I didn't quite see that when I was.
17:16I do that.
17:16Like they say that whatever, you know, steal from the best or something.
17:19Yeah.
17:20But I'll find myself doing a, I just made it about me.
17:24On Russian Doll season one, I also ate a raw egg yolk for breakfast because she was hungover.
17:31That was a straight up Rocky Rift.
17:33And then throughout, I would also do like a lot of, I think maybe Jenna Rollins is one I'm most guilty of stealing from just because we all know, like I love when she's like, you know, a woman under the influence and so on.
17:45But I think it's interesting the way we kind of like find these touchstones and we kind of go for them.
17:51Also because you knew that they could go big or go home in a way and then they get embedded, you know?
17:56I think the thing that's so interesting though about comedy specifically is like what everybody's talking about is that you remember it.
18:02Right.
18:02Because you don't want to remember, I don't want to remember the worst times in my life.
18:08My brain snaps back from them.
18:10But I want, but I can remember them if there was, if the memory is full and there was like an appreciation of the intrinsic humor in like the circumstance.
18:23Because it's always there, like you just have to like look for it and find it.
18:26But you want to, the thing that makes you laugh is the thing that imprints in your mind.
18:30It's the thing you want to go back to, you desire to go back to.
18:34So like hearing you talk about like that moment that Jenna Rollins has and like these things, like they stick because they give us pleasure.
18:43And like it's the most, and that's the thing that we want, that's the total recall that we always want to have.
18:49Totally.
18:50And so I think like, oh, so how can I bring, you know, where is the like, where's like the light underbelly of this dark, dark beast that makes the thing honestly, to be honest, more honest.
19:01Because it's always there, like you feel it in life.
19:04Like it's the, it's a completeness, you know.
19:06Michelle, it's smart because they say that, you know, in childbirth, because it's so traumatic that the brain will sort of forget that experience.
19:14And such that you're able to have a second child, just evolutionarily.
19:17And it's a little bit, what you're talking about, about like the beauty of comedy is that you're not imbuing it with this kind of head trip in a way.
19:26Yeah.
19:26Even though we all know it's so hard to do.
19:28But I think it's a little bit what you're touching on is like, you want to have this like human memory of that that was special.
19:33And just as soon as you color it with like, you know, trauma or baggage or that was a heavy scene.
19:38You're kind of like taking away the gift.
19:40It's almost like, like you were saying, because it is like a fever dream sometimes, like those scenes, as opposed to like a strictly comedy scene.
19:47But you're right, you're like, that's so, it makes so much sense to me.
19:51And sometimes you do forget the like really heavy stuff is kind of, at least I do, it's like kind of, you feel like you come out of like a, oof, a fog, you know.
20:01I just want to also like sidetrack and say, I don't know if you remember this, Michelle, but you were doing a play at Williamstown.
20:06Cherry Orchard.
20:07Oh, Cherry Orchard.
20:09Yeah.
20:09And I was just like, I remember.
20:10Ever heard of it?
20:11Ever heard of it?
20:12But I just, I remember you also doing Dawson's Creek at the same time and being so just like, ah, that you were like still connected to all those parts of yourself as an actor.
20:25That it wasn't like one thing or the other.
20:27And I just remember being like, ah, that's like an aspirational thing for me too, to be able to be so curious about, about so many different avenues of expression and performance.
20:40I was like, anyway, it's a tidbit.
20:42But I'm guessing having both lanes was probably quite important to you, particularly in that moment.
20:47I think it's really great when nobody gives a shit what you're doing.
20:51It's so amazing when nobody cares and nobody's really watching and you're just like, well, okay, I'm just going to careen wildly though and just like sort of see what, um, what I'm all about.
21:02And like, if I can, um, what I can do or what I can't do, what I'm like interested in, what I'm curious about and like where I want to go and, and nobody cares.
21:13Yeah.
21:14That's like the best fantasy of like, for us, like, you know, I love these guys.
21:20We've been knowing each other for, we go back.
21:22We go way back.
21:23I mean, like 20 years.
21:24Yeah.
21:25I think to your point, what's a little bit hard now is everything feels so disposable onto the next.
21:30And so even if it's a, if it's a big hit, it's about awards and outfits, you know, it's about winning at life.
21:36And if it's not, it kind of falls into obscurity of like, ah, and yet it feels dirty.
21:41I think it's hard when there's so many shows and stuff that you're lucky if you're catching one or two.
21:46I miss that.
21:47You know?
21:47I also think it's super important in our community, in any community, in any workplace, you, I think you should be absolutely haphazard with your compliments.
21:58I think the other person feels better.
22:00I think you feel better.
22:02You're just pushing out goodness into the world.
22:05And I don't mean that like to try to be heady, but like one thing I've started doing over the, like the last couple of years, and I believe you've gotten a few of them.
22:12But like, if I see something, which is every night would try to take some time to watch TV with my husband, reconnect.
22:19If I see something I love, you send a voice memo.
22:22I'm like, pass on you, bitch.
22:24How dare you be so good in this show?
22:29Like you, I, I have to tell people because I don't want to contain it.
22:34I can contain it and I contained it for many years, but I just feel better when I'm throwing it out there.
22:39So I'm like, if I see someone in a role I love, you are getting a voice memo from me that night.
22:44I also feel like that on set too, it's like coming up from, I did like sketch and improv and from LA, there's like a lot of meanness and comedy and in scene partners.
22:56And there's like a lot of even guys that will use you as a punchline and there's clicks and there's like inside group, especially like the clicks are, they feel bad.
23:07And I hate that feeling of like, there's an inside group and an inside group.
23:10So I know when I'm shooting or work, especially in comedy, I'm like, no, I'm here.
23:14Let's, let's yes.
23:15And I'm here for you.
23:16How are you?
23:17And it makes the comedy come out better because you're giving goodness as opposed to trying to do a comedy scene.
23:24And the other person is kind of not open or warm and kind of stonewalling you.
23:29And so I feel like as like someone like on shrinking, I do a lot of support and I feel like my character is like, I feel like my character is really good at going in and out with everyone in their relationships.
23:41But it's always the first thing is like, okay, how are you today?
23:44Let's do this.
23:45Like no, no dumb ideas.
23:47Let's do it.
23:47It's not fun to act with someone who's an island.
23:51Oh my God.
23:51And now that I'm older, like coming up, I had so many bad comedy teachers and mean comedy teachers like this, like real.
23:58That's so incongruous because comedy is supposed to make you happy.
24:01I know.
24:01And now that I'm their age.
24:02Baby, baby, baby.
24:03Have I heard of Lenny Bruce?
24:05Yeah.
24:05But like now that I'm, now that I'm older, past those teachers' ages, I could not imagine being that kind of teacher or actor.
24:14I think we have an obligation to cheer each other on personally.
24:17I think that's right.
24:18I think that one of the gorgeous things about getting, you know, older, like growing up in this business and life extension is coming.
24:26I'm going to send you all stem cells later.
24:28But it's miraculous that you move from this kind of false narrative that I think is set up by advertising throughout industry for this young woman, this 11-year-old, whoever it is, that for some reason women are supposed to be against each other.
24:40It's just empirically not true.
24:42What we really want to start doing is making it more of a team sport and letting go of, you know, so long as one of us is winning, that means we're all winning because I need you guys in jobs, like in order for them to be understanding that this is the new aesthetic.
24:57It's, so I think that that is a real game changer that I'm personally just so grateful for.
25:03It's so hard, especially if you're like black, there's like a million, million times more, especially for comedy, like white parts than there are black parts.
25:12And so there is this insane scarcity.
25:15So there's still like this, I always have to like, it's why I try and like make sure that my life is full because this business, especially if you do comedy, you're just like, wow.
25:26Like, they're, they're not, we're not there yet for like people of color.
25:32It's really like, it, it does put us against each other in a lot of ways.
25:39It's so outdated.
25:39It really does.
25:40And they'll be like, oh, this person, we're just going to go with this person.
25:43Or they'll, there's one person of color at the moment and that person just gets casted in every, so you see, it happens all the time, but it is like, there's still, there's just work.
25:53There's just work to be done.
25:53Yeah, it's like, for sure.
25:55It's openism and like extraordinaryism and it's just kind of like, hey, just like a talented actor here to help.
26:01And I think, I think part of it, like perhaps a solution is just like more people at the top who are able to make the decision.
26:08Like, I will say like on hacks, like, you know, having Paul and Lucia and Jen and having like a very queer and diverse writer's room and like feeling like those are the people who hold the narrative.
26:19Like, those are the people who create the characters, who cast all the best guest star parts on hacks are women.
26:26They are almost all women.
26:28Maybe there's one man.
26:30Like, it is, you know what I mean?
26:32Especially like to what Hannah was saying earlier about like working like also as a queer person on, in your character in part.
26:39It's like working as a black person in story.
26:41Like always the story is first and then improv, coloring within those lines on the day.
26:48And our set, luckily that works for our show.
26:51It's not like every show, but hell yeah.
26:53I'm like trying to, I always learn the lines and then I come in with like five different ideas about, and then there's the other person.
26:59That's also that.
27:00It's also, I feel like I love the shift from this, you know, when I was doing comedy a long time ago, the movies were, it was all about alts.
27:09So like you would, it would just be the camera still on you and then they would be shouting stuff out at you or you would be like in this panic to come up with stuff that really wasn't actually connected to the scene.
27:22That drives me crazy because don't you feel like after that started, then we hit a point where alts became so exciting that everyone was like, we need to try so many alts.
27:36And I would be like, that's so interesting that you say that.
27:39I kind of find it funny the way that it's reading.
27:41Why am I not getting writer's credit if I'm improvising?
27:45But there are some like stepbrothers lines and stuff that I feel like you did that came from you and were completely brilliant and part of pop culture to this day, are they not?
27:56But I can only, it's interesting, I don't know if you guys feel this, but I'm not, I never did sketch.
28:00I never did like, so it's for me, it's if it's rooted in something that can get behind, then I can't just be like, oh, contact lens.
28:08Right, that's the key that I'm not getting the part.
28:10That's actually the sequel to contact is just Jodie Foster looking around for a contact lens.
28:17But at the height of wanting alts and improv, I feel like everyone got super excited about going, a contact lens in the middle of the scene.
28:25And I always felt insecure about saying like, I'm here for anyone trying anything.
28:31Do you think that raises the stakes or is our foot still on the gas for the scene if we divert to the contact lens thing?
28:40And I don't, you don't ever want to poo-poo anyone's idea, but I feel like the way that the only way it's worked best for me or the way that I like it best is like how Mike Schur works is where the alts come in the form of what they call a candy bag on the day.
28:54So like you get your sides and then you'll get a little piece of extra sides.
28:57And those alts are only because there was an argument in the writer's room about which one was funniest.
29:03Oh, I love that.
29:04So if they could not decide what the funniest one was, then you go, fine, okay, put down all three.
29:09We'll see if they'll do all three.
29:10And then, you know, you have three like A-plus jokes.
29:13It's not like who can find something.
29:15And that feels a little bit like wild.
29:18Yeah.
29:18It depends on the set.
29:20It's like, I don't mind them.
29:22I'll just be like, let's see what comes out is what I do.
29:25Okay, let's see what comes out.
29:27I love the shift from that into this more like kind of gnarly on the razor's edge, not just like joke, punchline joke.
29:36Like I feel like that's a lot of, I don't want to speak for everybody, but that's when I look at this table, I see like it feels really gnarly and complicated and a lot of like other stuff coming into it that's not just one or the other.
29:52Where it's like the experience feels like much more realized.
29:57Like more dimensions.
29:58Yes.
29:59One dimensional.
29:59Like this is a comedy.
30:01Here's the setup.
30:01Here's the joke.
30:02Here's the setup.
30:03Here's the joke.
30:03And the show is end.
30:04But we're also talking about very female-centric comedy, which is why it's like allowing for this kind of expansion.
30:09I'm curious in the choices you make, how your own sort of family and world factors in at this stage.
30:17I think that what I'm beginning to learn in adulthood is that it's never okay to bring that kind of like personal backstory of like, this morning was crazy.
30:27Or am I meeting this person later for tonight?
30:30Like to try in any way possible to compartmentalize those two things.
30:34Yes.
30:34Because I love the work.
30:35Like I love showing up with that.
30:37That's a maturity.
30:38I think.
30:39And I also feel like the scramble or the panic starts to like, I always think of like the space shuttle with all the shit attached to it.
30:49And as it's taking off like stuff, like the unnecessary stuff starts to fall off.
30:54It's menopause for me.
30:55But I do think there is like a prioritizing of, I don't, I, it's interesting.
31:02Like, you know, I played, I played a witch, which was like exactly where I was supposed to be at that particular age in my life.
31:09I love it.
31:09And it was like, fairy felt like, okay, this is like where I was like pregnant.
31:14I was like quirky best friend, pregnant woman, horny pregnant woman, witch.
31:18So I'm like curious to see an amazing story.
31:22Classic story.
31:23It's classic.
31:24It's amazing.
31:24It's a fabulous arc.
31:26That's kind of a, who knows what's nice.
31:28I'm a little bit different of a, of a perspective and everyone to each their own.
31:32But like, I can't physically operate in the world if I don't have some part of the morning or evening with my family.
31:42Like I am so rooted in that life.
31:46And I like, I can explain it best as I say, like, I like being an actress, but I love being Kristen.
31:51And if I had to choose between the two, it is a no contest I would quit this career in a heartbeat.
31:58But I, but I know that about myself.
31:59And about 15 years ago, well, I guess 12 years ago, I was like, what if I just tried to see if I could leverage?
32:09And I was like, you know what?
32:10I'm not going to shoot outside of LA anymore.
32:12I'm just not.
32:13There's stuff that shoots here.
32:14And to be honest, I don't care how good the director is or how good the script is.
32:18I don't, I don't, I personally, me, not everybody else, I wouldn't care enough.
32:24Right.
32:24I'm not trying to do the Revenant 2 in wherever they shot that.
32:28Yeah, we got big money for you on that, babe.
32:30I don't, I don't need to do that.
32:32I don't, it doesn't, it wouldn't fulfill me.
32:34So I said like, no, don't even send me anything if it's not shooting in LA.
32:38Or if it's not early enough in the development that I can say we have to shoot in LA.
32:41And I've been really, really lucky.
32:43But that does bleed in a little bit.
32:46I mean, you know, this also because we've worked together, like it bleeds in a little
32:48bit to the, when I get there in the morning, I will absolutely compartmentalize and shut
32:53that off.
32:53And I'm never trying to bring baggage unless it's happy, playful, fun stuff that would
32:57excite us to set.
32:58But then at the end of the day, I'm not really here for let's do a couple more just for us.
33:05If we've got it, I need to go home and reconnect with my family because otherwise I can't come
33:10in tomorrow.
33:11Right.
33:11I don't, I don't, those bookends have to be intact for me.
33:14I wish because I was away from my kids for that amount of time that there is still a
33:19like, oh, like being away from my son, like when he first got his driver's license and
33:24being like across the country and like that kind of stuff is, but, but I think that's
33:28part of a very important part of the female conversation that is often left out because
33:34we can be in these round table situations and we can talk about how awesome this career
33:38is and all the hard work we do to get here and stay here and, and have a career with
33:44any sense of longevity.
33:46But what's not said out loud a lot is like, what are the other components that allow you
33:51to do that?
33:51And for me, it's that it's saying no to a fair amount of things because it won't, it
33:57won't work.
33:58My brain won't function and it's okay to prioritize your social life and your family
34:03life and your life as a human being, because if you don't have all of that, what are you
34:10even pouring into the acting?
34:12Sure.
34:12I think performers and actors who might be watching this or like, you know, getting clues
34:18about how to succeed.
34:19I think it's really important for them to hear, like have a full life as a human being.
34:23Otherwise you don't know how to act like a human being when you're in front of a camera.
34:27I don't think it's said as much.
34:30Again, this is 11 year old Kristen, which you want to be here.
34:32And also there's seasons, like sometimes you just got to grind.
34:35Yeah.
34:36There you go.
34:36There's seasons, like we're all in different points in our career.
34:39Like, really.
34:40Yeah, yeah.
34:40A hundred percent.
34:41And so I'll stay, I'll stay for alts and I'll stay and get the shit done, but I also
34:45don't have kids yet.
34:46Right.
34:46Like I haven't gotten to that point in my life, but like there's seasons for grinding.
34:50I hope to go to grad school at some point, you know what I mean?
34:54I was like, hell yeah.
34:55What do you want to study?
34:56What do you want to study?
34:57I would like to go to grad school.
34:58I would like to study perhaps environmental science.
35:01Huh.
35:01Good.
35:01Oh, that's so good.
35:02The only way I'm going to get a degree.
35:04Michelle, this was something.
35:05Yeah, baby.
35:06Dying for Sex was a show that initially they were talking about L.A.
35:09You weren't interested.
35:10You said, quote, it wasn't necessarily the thing that I saw myself doing.
35:15I'm a mom.
35:15I got all these kids.
35:18I'm going to do a show about what?
35:20So tell me what you were actually scared of.
35:23Well, the only reason I get these cards is because she won't work on the East Coast.
35:28That's the best joy that you've made ever.
35:31So thank you for being such a dedicated mother.
35:35But tell me, what actually was the fear in this one?
35:40It's not that for me.
35:41It's really not.
35:42It's actually like the clearing of fear.
35:45That's just something for life.
35:48And that's just not something.
35:49I just never know what's going to happen because I don't create my own material.
35:52I'm in like a patience game with myself.
35:55Like, how long can I wait?
35:56Does this need to be said?
35:57Does this need to be said right now?
35:59And does this need to be said by me?
36:01And that's kind of like, that's my sort of criteria.
36:04And you have to wait a long time if you're not talented enough to make your own material,
36:08which I'm not.
36:09Highly doubt it, buddy.
36:11Known you a long time.
36:12I just sit and wait.
36:14And so when this came up, I wouldn't say that I would have,
36:18it's not what I would have prescribed for myself,
36:20but I knew immediately that it was where I was going to go
36:25and it was what I wanted to do.
36:26It's just I couldn't have designed it myself.
36:28I also imagine this is one where having an intimacy coordinator
36:31was an absolute godsend.
36:35I mean, you are trying to figure out how to fake six orgasms.
36:39I'm taking words from interviews.
36:41Would you fake those?
36:43She would never.
36:46Is it a full McGillicuddy on the outside?
36:49No, you don't see the, I mean, you don't, like, there's no, you mean like a,
36:53did it happen?
36:53I mean, I'm a never nude.
36:54I've tried.
36:56Nobody wants it.
36:57But you just mean that emotionally because it's about sex and orgasms and that kind of thing.
37:02You know the thing that you really do need, though, is like a supportive family.
37:05Because I'm like, I'm fine to do this kind of material.
37:09I'm committed to it.
37:10But I'm like, my, it's got its hook in me.
37:15And you really, you do need to have like a husband and a, I mean, if you're in a partnership
37:19and you have children, like you need their full and unwavering support to be able to go
37:25and do these things and to say, yeah, this is something that we're working on as a family.
37:30Because I think when you, when you do something, when you like take time away from your family,
37:33the other people in your family need to sort of step up and like fill your shoes a little bit.
37:37And so they have to like believe in what you're doing to be able to rise up and fill the space
37:45that's voided for, you know, that period of time and shooting.
37:49And so I'm lucky to now have this like place that I can jump from.
37:55And your daughter also was, your oldest daughter was, was one of the people who said like,
38:00please go do this.
38:01Excited specifically about.
38:02I'm glad it didn't come out while I was in high school.
38:04I'm glad it came out while I was in college.
38:06Fair enough.
38:08Yeah, but she's, you know, she's a different generation than how we grew up.
38:12Yeah.
38:12And so she didn't have to like fight for this insistence to, to be expressive and expansive and messy.
38:22She's just there.
38:26She's just there.
38:28How old is she?
38:29She's 19.
38:29Oh my gosh.
38:30Whoa.
38:31Yeah, she's 19.
38:31I mean, so what the hell did that happen?
38:33I don't know.
38:34Jesus Christ.
38:35I don't know.
38:36But she, yeah, so there, yeah, it's, I, I kind of think of them all as like real family projects.
38:43I love that.
38:44Catherine, I think at one point, did you, did I read about you having a conversation with your son when he was around 13 or so,
38:51where you said like, please don't Google me?
38:54Is that, am I remembering that correctly?
38:57Good luck.
38:57My, my, the body of, I, I've been nude in a lot of sex.
39:01Uh-huh.
39:02And I, thanks.
39:05And by the way, thank you.
39:05Thank you so much.
39:06I never get this affirmation.
39:09Family first.
39:10Family first.
39:11Exactly.
39:11Um, and it's always, you know, it's never felt like it has not been necessary to say, and it's never been something that I've been like, I didn't know going into it.
39:23And, um, but definitely my son, uh, or my kids, whatever.
39:28They, we have a good separation of church and state.
39:31Like the stuff that I do usually is not stuff that they would watch unless it's like a big comedy, whatever.
39:36But we have a pretty great, we don't talk about my work.
39:40Uh-huh.
39:40Like we don't really like, when I'm home, I'm mom.
39:43They make fun of me relentlessly.
39:45It's exactly what they should be doing at teenagers.
39:46Yep.
39:47Um.
39:48But some of those early comedies, presumably their friends, their friends watch.
39:51Stepbrothers, I mean, his son told me when he was like 15, he went into a big party.
39:55Uh-huh.
39:56And he went into a room where a bunch of kids were standing around watching Stepbrothers, and he said, Mom, I just walked out the door.
40:02But he was like, I just turned and walked out.
40:05But, Catherine, I feel like you're such a heavy hitter.
40:07I just, as a performer, that I, I haven't seen all your nude work.
40:11Maybe I could get a supercut later.
40:13Yes, I have one.
40:13But I think of you more as like, uh, Julianne Moore, like flying across her art space with the Merkin.
40:19That, to me, is sort of like a third category.
40:22I think so, too.
40:23And so, I always think that when you're doing it, it's a little bit more in that pocket.
40:27Yes.
40:27It's less like, hey, baby, come check it out.
40:30No, that's never been my currency, eh.
40:32I feel like, and I.
40:34Know your lane.
40:35See, this isn't goes back.
40:36100%.
40:36It's like, it's not for, it's just to show, it's just what a human woman body.
40:43It's super liberating.
40:43It's like in there.
40:44Yeah.
40:44I did more nudity this season than I have, and I have found it really, yeah.
40:50Yeah.
40:51I found it really empowering and like liberating.
40:53Yeah.
40:54Yeah.
40:54Cool.
40:54I also do look to actresses who have done it, and I feel like, um, like they're cool for doing it.
41:00Yeah.
41:00I don't know.
41:01It has made, it has, it has like made me feel, um, a lot just better in my, in my body.
41:08I want to do it.
41:09Is it about like feeling laid bare around something that you're not holding behind?
41:12I think it's just like taking away this puritanical socialization that we all have received as women.
41:19Yeah.
41:19Like the idea of being shirtless for, like, I, I, I really think we're going towards a reality in a society where like the female form is, um, just like normalized.
41:33Like, I think that like this, this thing, like why?
41:36Why?
41:36Actually, why?
41:38There's such a buildup.
41:39Actually, why?
41:39Right?
41:40Because then you do it, and you didn't die.
41:44Right.
41:44Nothing happened.
41:45You know, it's like, we're just like, we're just animals, man.
41:48It's people, man.
41:49It's like, it's like whatever, dude.
41:51Yeah.
41:51You know what I mean?
41:52I feel, I feel that that has been like, just, and it only, it deepens like my, my comfort with myself and just being like, okay, all of my friends have like seen me undressed and like nothing is different and we're cool.
42:04And now that's out there.
42:05I'm warning my parents.
42:07Like, don't, but you know, other than that, it's like, cool.
42:10We're like, we.
42:11Well, but it doesn't matter, right, if it's in like a male lens or for some purpose.
42:16Right.
42:16That is kind of like, you could shoot it, you can shoot it safely.
42:19It's tethered to character, not to fantasy.
42:22Yeah.
42:22And then.
42:23Justify it.
42:23Yeah.
42:24I mean, then it's super cool.
42:25Yeah.
42:26I think the only times I've ever done it has been with a female creator or director.
42:30Totally.
42:30So it doesn't feel like that outside, like, you know, that outside gaze looking at something, like judging it.
42:38It just feels like, um, the experience of it.
42:42And we had no, the wiki feed equivalent of like a freeze your nips.
42:46What's it called?
42:47No.
42:47Free the nipple.
42:47What?
42:48No, you know, that website or whatever.
42:50This is nips?
42:51Wait, the nipple.
42:52What?
42:53Is it a nipple tracker?
42:54No, it's the one.
42:55What's the nipple?
42:55They show you all the naked people in freeze frame.
42:57Yeah.
42:58It's like, yeah.
42:59It's like, it's like.
43:00I don't know it by heart, but I know.
43:01It's one of that thing.
43:03It is.
43:03It's just like naked stuff.org.
43:05Like, yeah.
43:05Dot edu.com.
43:06Actors naked.
43:07We're just like screen grabs of like everybody.
43:09Because really what you're doing is giving people the right to go into that website and
43:14finds it all, which is like, I don't know, like, you know, serious people.
43:18Like, you know, you got one move here, one move just a little bit there.
43:20Like, nobody wants to play that fucking game.
43:22We talk a lot in these forums about sort of what it takes to get into these characters
43:26and that process.
43:27What's the thing that you guys do to feel normal again?
43:31To feel, to get out of it and feel like you again?
43:34What are your things?
43:35Easily, easily walk into my house, get ignored by my children, ask them how their day was,
43:42have them roll their eyes, and instead under their breath just say, what's for dinner?
43:47Yeah.
43:47Like, the grounding of being on set and having someone go, do you need a water?
43:54And I'm okay, thank you so much.
43:56The, like, the etiquette and the politeness of feeling like a queen and going home and
44:01having my kids be so brutal is absolutely what I need to ground me again to go, I gotta get
44:08the fuck out of here.
44:09I also think the older I get, the more I'm allowing myself the luxury of taking time off.
44:15We like going to, like, Machu Picchu or, like, we love getting out of anything that is...
44:20I like hearing that for you because I've known you for a very long time and you work more than
44:24anyone I know.
44:25Oh, I'm starting to really enjoy not.
44:26I like this for you, Han.
44:28But this is, but this is a, this is a question when you're saying, I'm, because I feel like
44:33I'm so one track, like, actor for hire that when I hear, like, you talk or, it's like,
44:40I don't, how do you, how do you, how do you take care of all of it?
44:46Like, I don't understand how brains work like that.
44:48Yeah.
44:48How, like, you can be here and then here and then here and feel so confident in every
44:54avenue.
44:55Like, to create something?
44:56Yes.
44:56I remember our buddy, uh, Amy Poehler did that Lucille Ball documentary and it was all
44:59about if you want to get something done, ask the busiest person you know?
45:02Yes.
45:02I think there's something to that of just, uh...
45:05Like, the more you do it, the more it happens.
45:08Kind of.
45:08Or just, like, the more, I mean, you just have, like, you know, 10 different FDXs in Google
45:12Docs and kind of these are the different projects and then time does its own thing where without
45:16putting any pressure on anyone of, like, we've got to get this out because we're in trouble.
45:20It's more just, like, it'll kind of start naturally shaping.
45:22Love it.
45:23Like, but it is hard, like, having all those tentacles because I miss that.
45:27They're like...
45:27Yeah.
45:27...a two-hour fitting for my outfit or something.
45:31But it is really special because I just feel like we're at that age of, like, we want
45:34to be doing...
45:35Yes.
45:36...you know, more of our own, even if they fail.
45:38Like, it's kind of fun or somebody else can come punch it up, but...
45:41Do you ever shut down brain-wise?
45:42Like, can you compartmentalize in a way that you're like, because your brain is blowing
45:48my mind.
45:49Yeah, I mean, it's definitely, you know, it's changing, but I think part of it is just the
45:56expertise of not over-personalizing things.
45:59A light turn here.
46:00What's the role that strangers want to talk to you about most?
46:03They're like, are you waitress number four?
46:05That was so dropped in that I felt like the weight of the tray was, like...
46:09It was perfect.
46:10Did we go to high school together?
46:14What's the part for you?
46:15I would say it would be a combo of, for a long time, Jen Barkley from Parts and Rec, and
46:21I was not in that many episodes, but people freaking love that show.
46:24And then it's Agatha, the witch.
46:28Yeah.
46:28For me, Daily Show, I get a lot of that.
46:31Jon Stewart Show.
46:32Go to the Daily Show.
46:33Jon Stewart Show.
46:35Shrinking, this Love Life season two, and the bear, and the bear, which I'm not on.
46:40Which you're not actually on.
46:42Do you, how do you respond to that?
46:43Oh my God.
46:43Everybody says I'm on the bear.
46:44How do you respond?
46:45I just go, not me, but thank you so much.
46:48I'm on a different one, but thank you.
46:50I get that all the time.
46:51Well, I guess if I had to say, like, overall, it's either Veronica Mars or Sarah Marshall.
46:56But I also think that's because the name was in the title.
46:59Sure.
46:59Because no one can remember the title of the show I'm on now, and so they just go,
47:04I watched, I watched your show, your show.
47:08And I politely go, thank you so much.
47:10I'm glad you like it.
47:11But yeah, it's usually one of those two.
47:13What about you, Michelle?
47:14I'm a clean split between Wendy and Lucy in Dawson's Creek.
47:17It's just two very different, like, walks of life.
47:22But like, those are the only, those are the two.
47:24Lucy and Lucy, forget it.
47:25What about you?
47:26Definitely.
47:27I, I, I...
47:28What do they say?
47:29What do they say?
47:30Are you the annoying girl from Hacks?
47:32Do they still say that?
47:33No, that was just season one.
47:34That was season one, okay.
47:36They just, people are nice.
47:38It's like, usually like, you know, gay people who are like, all right.
47:42But, um, yeah, they're, well, they're more so like, absolutely, you know, so it's, it's
47:48like, I would say Hacks, I've been really pleased to get more people though being like,
47:53I saw your Max special.
47:55It was so good.
47:56It was so good.
47:58Like, yeah, my, it's just like, uh, it's been nice to hear people watching my standup,
48:03but yeah.
48:03Yeah.
48:04Yeah.
48:05Um, mostly Hacks.
48:06What about you, Natasha?
48:07For sure, Rational, it's a show I created with, uh, Amy Poehler and Leslie Hedlund and,
48:11uh, but it's really like my, uh, baby opus.
48:13Uh, I think that, that shows the thing also that I feel most connected to fans when they
48:19talk to me about, cause I'm like, oh, this is a real simpatico.
48:21Like, you don't have to bring this one up.
48:23Uh, Poker Face is fun to talk about, but it's a little bit more like, yeah, I know, crazy
48:27guest stars, but I do want to kind of take a decade, which myself sometimes I guess I see
48:32people like, I really admire like, uh, Reda Gerwig or Jordan Peele and they really somehow
48:36manage to extricate themselves focused on one thing at a time.
48:39And I do have a dream of like, just allowing, like just allowing myself that shot and seeing
48:45what comes after that.
48:46You know, what's the most used, uh, emoji on your phone?
48:50Emojis are fun.
48:51I'll say it.
48:52Emojis are fun.
48:53They're really fun.
48:54They convey a lot more than words.
48:57Sometimes I overuse one in particular that I would prefer.
49:02Eggplant, 100%.
49:03It's very funny.
49:05If you were to be like, let's meet at all time at noon, here's what you're going to
49:10get from me, eggplant.
49:11And you're going to know exactly what it means.
49:14It means I'll be there and I love it.
49:16See, I'm so glad.
49:17Probably just this.
49:19Oh, okay.
49:19Yep.
49:19Yep.
49:20Are you a big surfer that's rock and roll and this is surfing?
49:23No, but I'll also do a surf.
49:24It's like, call me.
49:25Yeah.
49:26You know, mine's a, mine's a heart.
49:29Which color?
49:30Is it, you know, it's blue.
49:32That's nice.
49:33Blue's pretty.
49:33Yeah.
49:34I feel like just generally the world, yeah, just what the world needs now is love, sweet
49:39love, sweet love.
49:40And I just made that up.
49:41See, Angel, you are a writer now.
49:43Just now, yeah.
49:43Does anybody do the, does anybody do the green and pink heart?
49:47Sure.
49:47Because since Wicked came out, that's used almost as much as my eggplant emoji.
49:52I go double flames a lot and I'm not sure why.
49:55I'm a little bit over it.
49:57You'll also drop 100, the 100 one.
49:59Oh yeah, 100.
50:01And I am a big surfing emoji person.
50:03I'm like, hey, what's up?
50:05You're surfing the web.
50:06Congrats.
50:07Peace out.
50:07You know?
50:08On that note.
50:10Thank you all for doing this.
50:12And cheers.
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