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00:00What is the most shocking discovery in the Byron Griffey case?
00:06Everything.
00:08Like, if you wrote it on paper, nobody would believe it.
00:14This story, it's a whodunit.
00:19It involves sex and power.
00:22You've got wealth and intrigue and hiding one's identity.
00:28There's two types of funeral directors.
00:31Some want to help people, and some are in this to take advantage of people.
00:36He's dead, he's dead, there's blood everywhere.
00:39Who could do something like that?
00:41This woman came up to me and said, I know who did it.
00:45So, now we had another dead body on our hands.
00:49The things that came to light, I was just as shocked as everybody else.
00:54What the f*** is happening?
00:56You guys trying to fool a f*** around me?
00:58Did you ever think of getting even with someone?
01:01Seriously?
01:02I am trying to get to the truth.
01:05Did you kill Byron Griffey?
01:08Did you kill Byron Griffey?
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01:11Did you kill Byron Office?
01:12Did you kill Byron Griffey?
01:13Did you kill Byrongusri?
01:37There's things that you learn really fast, like anything that you might want hidden doesn't stay hidden.
01:521994 is when Charles and I moved to Colorado from Salt Lake City.
02:02We wanted to be in the funeral business.
02:07Charles and Tony were brothers.
02:11They shared a mother.
02:13And they were great funeral directors.
02:16Just willing to help anybody with anything.
02:19I had a cat.
02:22He was dying.
02:23It was terrible.
02:24So they came and they got him for me.
02:26And they took him and they took care of him for me.
02:28And they cremated him for me.
02:30They're wonderful guys.
02:32If you talk to any mortician, death does not weigh heavy on their hearts.
02:42They're morticians, man.
02:44They deal with death all the time.
02:46And they have the means to deal with death.
02:49Marticians, that's kind of an unusual profession.
02:55Marticians make a lot of money.
02:58Especially on coffins and caskets.
03:01It's very lucrative.
03:03Very lucrative.
03:04A lot of people see the money that you can make and that's their driving force.
03:10I wasn't like that.
03:13Becoming a funeral director is almost more of a calling.
03:17A lot of it isn't pleasant, but with funeral homes in small towns, you're pretty much like family.
03:25For us, it was more than just a job.
03:31Byron Griffey was the same way.
03:34Byron was a funeral director, too.
03:37He was a really good funeral director.
03:39He knew what he was doing.
03:41He'd been doing it for a long time.
03:43He was a very generous person.
03:46He helped us with some equipment when we first got started.
03:50And after that, we just became good friends.
03:54On October 12, Charles and I went to Fowler to meet Byron for lunch.
04:07It's usually about an hour's drive from Florence to Fowler.
04:13We were meeting Byron at his farm.
04:17When we pulled up to the gate, it was locked.
04:23Charles tried calling him and didn't get an answer.
04:28That was a little strange.
04:32We finally just decided to leave.
04:389-1-1-1-2 emergency.
04:51I think my mother is dead.
04:53I think he fell.
04:55Okay.
04:56Is he bleeding anywhere?
04:58Yes.
04:59All over.
05:00He's dead.
05:01He's dead.
05:02He's dead.
05:03He's cold.
05:04There's blood everywhere.
05:05Please hurry.
05:06Please hurry.
05:07My dad took care of everybody.
05:20When I moved back home with three kids, he bought a house for us, which had some land.
05:30And he said it would be fun for the kids to grow up on a farm.
05:35And then, at that point, I met Gina, my wife.
05:42My dad was my biggest support system.
05:46When I told my dad I was gay, he said, well, you know, you're not alone.
05:53There's a lot of people that are.
05:56So, when Lynette and I decided to get married, Byron was extremely supportive.
06:05He took my kids, all of my kids, just like they were his own grandkids.
06:13Whether I was his favorite or not, he was my favorite.
06:19He was my favorite person in the whole world.
06:24The morning of Byron's death, which was a day before his birthday,
06:30he was planning to meet Charles and Anthony out at the farm and go to lunch.
06:42We were sitting down for dinner and Byron never showed up.
06:47He wasn't answering his phone.
06:49My dad always answered the phone.
06:52Always.
06:53So, I called Charles.
06:57I said, is my dad still with you?
06:59Charles told her we never even saw him.
07:03He never showed up.
07:05We started to get worried about him.
07:08So, we drove out to the farm.
07:11Gina said, I'll check the house.
07:14Then I was yelling for him, you know.
07:18He didn't answer.
07:20And I heard Gina say, I found him.
07:26I said, is he okay?
07:30She said, no.
07:32We received a call of a male that was down.
07:44The address I knew as Byron Griffey's farm.
07:48When I got on scene, EMS was there.
07:52We went in.
07:54We found Byron Griffey laid out on the floor in the middle of a bedroom that was empty.
07:58He was just off the wall, probably about two and a half feet.
08:02Crime scene was very clean.
08:04I mean, there was nothing there.
08:06The family had moved out of the farmhouse, so the farmhouse was empty.
08:12There was no forced entry or sign of struggle of any kind.
08:17No defensive marks on him.
08:20There was very little blood.
08:24I think my words were, it's weird.
08:32There was no weapon readily available.
08:34The blood splattering on the wall was not consistent with what I'm used to.
08:42This was very strange.
08:44Byron is laid out, almost like a body in a casket.
08:50And then he's laying flat on the floor, face up.
08:54He was staged.
08:58Byron Griffey was a pillar of the community.
09:01Pretty much everybody knew who Byron Griffey was.
09:05So at this point in the investigation, everybody's a suspect.
09:11And then as we began to dig deeper, we learned some of these people were hiding some deep, dark secrets.
09:18If one of them killed him, who was it?
09:23Byron Griffey was dead.
09:30When we found out that Byron was dead,
09:51of course my first reaction is, what the hell happened?
09:56I was shocked, Charles actually got pretty emotional about it.
10:04The thing that was going through my mind is, we were right there.
10:09After Byron died, Charles and I thought we could help, so we offered to go in to CBI
10:14the very next day.
10:17Mark.
10:20Anthony.
10:22Nice to meet you Anthony.
10:23I wanted you to kind of help me with a timeline that's going to be helpful to us with our
10:30investigation.
10:34Byron Griffey was a really good friend.
10:37He would help people in need.
10:40Kind of the same theory we had.
10:44Charles and Anthony were very intertwined with the community.
10:50Everybody knew them.
10:51Everybody has a story.
10:53Charles became mayor.
10:54He was president of the Chamber of Commerce.
10:57He even started a church down the street.
11:02Charles was a bishop.
11:03I actually became a deacon.
11:05We were there just about every Sunday for church.
11:08The sermons that Charles would give were very inclusive.
11:12Very, you know, peace and love.
11:16And my son Eric worked for them.
11:20So they own several businesses in town.
11:22The funeral home, they own Smashing Good Guitars, which was the guitar shop that I worked
11:27at.
11:28And on the Main Street Grill, and they're huge collectors.
11:33They collect everything.
11:34I started collecting guitars, guns, dogs, cats, birds, horses.
11:41If I saw an animal that needed help, I took it.
11:45I even had a squirrel.
11:48There were 37 vehicles.
11:51I had a big bowl of keys on the table.
11:54I would just walk by and pick something out and walk out front and go, oh, yeah, that's
11:58what I'm driving today.
12:00My brother, like, introduced them, got them super close into our family.
12:04But at first it was just like dinner with Charles and Anthony.
12:07Oh, you're going to a concert with Charles and Anthony.
12:09And then we're spending holidays together.
12:12Charles liked to talk about his kids.
12:14He would tell us how successful they were and then he was proud of them.
12:17But then that sadness because they weren't in his life.
12:22You know, something must have happened that made them estranged to him.
12:27Charles was the brains and kind of the mouth, the charismatic one.
12:32He's doing the business deals.
12:34But the person who, like, actually made the things happen, that was Tony.
12:44It appears that you and Charles were at his property right around the time that he dies.
12:51So that puts you in a position to help us with the investigation.
12:56When we were able to retrieve Byron's phone, we could see two calls.
13:02One was about 1243-ish.
13:04The other one was a little after that were made from Charles' phone to Byron's that were missed calls.
13:11So you and Byron were good friends.
13:13We were.
13:14Who was closer to Byron?
13:15Me.
13:16By far.
13:17Well, we spoke more.
13:18We spoke more.
13:19And what time do you think you got to the farm?
13:21It had to be right about noon some time.
13:25Had you ever been to the farm before?
13:27Yeah.
13:28A couple of times.
13:29Do you recall the last time?
13:32Probably, hmm, what, five months ago.
13:38Could you actually see the farmhouse from where you were?
13:41Could you tell if it was open or closed?
13:42A little bit between the trees.
13:46It looked close to me.
13:48If it would have been open, I would have probably figured he was there.
13:52How long would you say you stayed in Fowler?
13:56Oh, no more than 15, 20 minutes.
14:01Did you guys find that odd that you had plans to do this and now he's not answering the phone?
14:06Yeah, kind of, but we'd make plans for him to come up a few times and he just didn't.
14:13Didn't show?
14:14Yeah.
14:15Before we left town, we drove around Fowler because I knew that Byron had a little house that he had moved into downtown.
14:24But I couldn't remember where that was, so I just kind of drove around looking for it.
14:29And then finally just decided to leave.
14:32I'm right now focused on Byron's state of mind.
14:36Would you say that he was capable of taking his own life?
14:40Yeah, I think so.
14:43It was in September.
14:44He asked me if I could bring him a handgun.
14:46And I actually have a gun collection.
14:48Anthony and I collect guitars, cars, and guns.
14:54And I told him no.
14:56So you never gave a gun?
14:57No.
14:58So you're not.
14:59Anthony didn't give a gun?
15:00No, Anthony would not.
15:01Okay, so I'm going to give you my card and if anything comes to mind...
15:04Please call me.
15:05You know what I'm just hoping to help.
15:13The autopsy on Byron indicated that he was shot from the back.
15:24And it was just a single back to front gunshot wound to the neck.
15:29There was soot right on the entrance wound, which means it's basically a contact wound.
15:34So you couldn't really shoot yourself the way he was shot unless somebody was holding a gun at his neck on the backside.
15:43I was in shock.
15:49I thought, who could do something like that?
15:54I didn't view that people would want to hurt Byron at all.
15:59Definitely it was not a robbery.
16:02There was a watch on Byron.
16:04He had his wallet.
16:06His phone was with it, but obviously there had to be some kind of motive.
16:11When we talked to his family members, we began to realize what it was.
16:19Byron was a huge collector.
16:21He collected stamps, coins, old money, antiques.
16:28My dad had a secret room in the back of the garage.
16:32Only a few people knew that the room was there.
16:35And he had, I don't even know how many safes in there.
16:39Byron bought a lot of silver and gold coins.
16:44It was probably pretty close to a million dollars.
16:55Prior to Byron being murdered, there was multiple calls and somebody trying to break in to take his saves.
17:04They tried to rob him, but they didn't get nothing.
17:09They made more of a mess than anything.
17:11I have no idea who did it.
17:14But then there was a noose that was hung in the barn.
17:20It was scary.
17:25After the noose was found in the barn, I just felt like my family wasn't safe out there at the farm where there wasn't really any neighbors.
17:39So we all just decided to just move back to Fowler.
17:45Byron was very scared.
17:48He was very adamant that somebody was trying to steal his money.
17:52When we found out my dad was shot, even before anybody said, do you know anybody who would want to hurt him?
18:04The first person I thought of was Corey Higgs.
18:07When we lived out at the farm, we called the cops many times on Corey.
18:14I was scared of Corey every day.
18:18It was hard to think that it could have been Corey because Corey is my son.
18:27Right after Byron's death, Gina and Lynette were very quick to point fingers that Corey Higgs was the one that had murdered Byron.
18:49Gina is my wife and Corey is her son.
18:54I really have trouble saying that.
18:58I love her other two kids to death.
19:01Saying Corey is my stepson makes me want to barf.
19:07There was a lot of things going on in the Griffey household before Byron's murder.
19:14When they were at the farm, they were all living there.
19:18Lynette and Gina and the kids with Corey and Byron and Gina's mom.
19:24I believed Corey to be very dangerous on a few multiple levels.
19:30Stories I heard from other people and his own family, in fact.
19:37Life with Corey was not easy from ever.
19:42He is extremely intelligent, but also violent and manipulating.
19:54Corey pulled a knife on his siblings.
19:58When he was younger, he grabbed me by the neck and choked me out.
20:03When he was 16, 17, Corey went into foster care and the court said least contact with us, the better.
20:15But for some reason, the foster system here decided that it was good for him to spend time with my dad.
20:26So Corey always seemed like he needed a father figure until Corey met Byron.
20:33Corey told my dad he wanted to be a funeral director.
20:39My dad always wanted somebody to take over his business.
20:43So Corey was this ray of hope for him.
20:47They were really inseparable.
20:50Byron would take him on funeral calls.
20:53So when they would do funeral business, Corey was dressed just like Byron.
20:59Things started going south between Corey and Byron.
21:04When Corey attacked me, he was in trouble for something.
21:09Got up, went running for a gun, which I stepped in front of him and stalked him.
21:15He turned violent, broke my shoulder.
21:19After that, Byron was very hard on him.
21:23I think Corey felt that Byron looked at him different, which he did.
21:28When Corey aged out of foster care, he moved right across the street from our farm.
21:34So Corey could have known that Byron was at the farm that day.
21:39I think Corey's motivation for Byron's murder would just be that that was just another way to hurt us.
21:53Okay, Corey, you have any idea why you're here today?
21:55I think I may have an idea, yeah.
21:58I heard that Byron Griffey died.
22:00Okay.
22:02I had known Corey from previous incidents where I'd been to the farm.
22:06And so I interviewed Corey.
22:10Where were you yesterday?
22:12I slept most of the day, actually.
22:15I was at my house in Fowler.
22:16Was there anybody else there?
22:17Um, not during the day.
22:19At about 3.45 or so, my friend and I went down for a play practice.
22:28So from Friday morning until 3.45 when you were there by yourself, did you talk to anybody on your cell phone?
22:35I talked on the phone, I texted, but there was nobody really there.
22:41With you to say?
22:42There was nobody with me, like physically, and I have my location settings on, on my cell phone.
22:47It doesn't really give an address, and that's where I'm kind of running into trouble here.
22:50At the time of the murder, Corey told me that he was watching TV at home.
23:00At that time, Corey was living about a mile and a half down the road.
23:06He could have walked to the farm and murdered Byron and walked back.
23:12You know, with you not being able to tell me that I was with this person from this time to this time,
23:18there's a window there, okay?
23:21CBI is involved.
23:22They're probably going to want to talk to you.
23:24Would you be willing to submit to a polygraph test?
23:27Yeah, yeah, I definitely would.
23:29Alrighty.
23:30End of interview.
23:33Corey was sad.
23:35I think Corey truly loved Byron.
23:41Carol Coates, she's a good cop, but he's a master manipulator and controls every situation.
23:48He played her just like he does everybody else.
23:52I feel guilty being his mom and feeling the way that I feel, but I know he did it or had something to do with it.
24:05I 100% believe that.
24:07There were a lot of people at Byron's funeral, pretty much the whole town.
24:23It was beautiful.
24:25We asked Charles to do the eulogy.
24:28He got up there and told how he met my dad and what a great guy he was to help him out when they were trying to get started.
24:37Charles and Anthony did a good job.
24:39Handling a service for another funeral director is the ultimate way of learning you did your job right.
24:48If another funeral director or their family would trust you to do it, that's a good sign in my opinion.
24:53CBI told us sometimes the killer shows up at the funeral, so keep your eyes and ears open as to what might be going on.
25:05After the funeral, we were all eating and socializing and this woman came up to me and said, you know Tommy did it.
25:16She said Tommy came home the other night and he was covered in blood.
25:26Tommy did it.
25:29So Tommy Tomlin was Harry Tomlin's brother.
25:33They are complete polar opposites.
25:37I would trust Harry with my life.
25:40Tommy Tomlin is scary.
25:42My brother Tommy Tomlin did have a drug problem, meth, heroin, whatever drug was out there.
25:51Tommy was violent.
25:52He was capable of doing anything.
25:55Tommy had been doing odd jobs for Byron, so Tommy was obviously on the suspect list.
26:03We were able to call Tommy in.
26:07Colorado Bureau of Investigation did most of the interview.
26:10Thomas, what's your last name?
26:13Pauline, Keelan, Elman.
26:15Kathleen's rights in mind, do wish to talk to you now.
26:17Byron was like family to me.
26:32Byron Griffey took care of a lot of funerals for my family.
26:37He was a good man.
26:42The day that Byron was murdered, I was the last person to see him alive.
26:46I met Byron at noon to get paid for the work I'd done for him.
26:51When I heard the news, there was a lot of stuff going through my life.
26:55And then stories are going around of who did it.
26:58One was my baby brother, Tommy Tomlin.
27:03Tommy Tomlin never had a steady job.
27:08So when my dad needed help doing anything at the farm, he just got Tommy.
27:15Tommy was around when he needed money, which was all the time.
27:20When you do drugs, you do things that you really shouldn't be doing.
27:27He went to a party and supposedly had blood all over him.
27:32And told everybody, did you know Byron Griffey got murdered?
27:34The rumors of Tommy Tomlin showing up to a party and being covered in blood were false.
27:44We had heard that the day after Byron's murder, Tommy was flashing around $100 bills that he normally didn't have.
27:51So we were questioning where Tommy had gotten this money.
27:54And so we did set Tommy up for a calligraph.
28:05So let me again introduce myself. I'm Jody.
28:08Sure, please.
28:09And it's Thomas. It's nice to meet you.
28:10Gorgeous eyes you have.
28:12Thank you very much.
28:14I'm going to talk to you about the death of Byron Griffey, okay?
28:19Just tell me in your own words, why is it that you're being locked out as a suspect?
28:24Because I had all the money that I found in somebody else's house.
28:28And they think it's Byron's money?
28:31How good of a friendship did you have with Byron?
28:34That one?
28:35That one small.
28:38When did you last see him?
28:407.30 that one.
28:42So you leave this house by 11.30, the next hour, hour and a half bigger than one house?
28:47I guess.
28:48Okay.
28:49Hold on, back up. What did you say?
28:51You leave Byron's about 11.11?
28:53Yeah.
28:54Yeah.
28:55You're in the room house and you get home around 12 or 12.
28:58Right.
28:59Okay.
29:00When you answer the questions, I answer truthfully with the separate desk.
29:06Did you participate in any way in shooting Byron?
29:11No.
29:12No.
29:15This test is not complete.
29:20Mr. Tomlin, unfortunately, it's pretty evident to me that there's something you are telling me about life.
29:30Are you serious right now?
29:31Yeah, I'm serious.
29:32Don't you guys understand that life is already a bunch of hell?
29:33Are you guys trying to put a murder on you?
29:34I am not trying to put a murder on you.
29:35Yeah, you are.
29:36I am trying to get to the truth.
29:37That is all I want.
29:38You are in my mind because I didn't throw a fire in it.
29:39You're going to .
29:40No, I'm not.
29:41Shut up.
29:42I mean, you already told me this.
29:43Am I ready, please?
29:44Look.
29:45Look, you look.
29:46I'm trying to make you understand I didn't shoot Byron.
29:47I'm not going to go down for some of those bullshit.
29:48And you're trying to get me to confess something I didn't do.
29:49I'm not trying to get you to confess anything other than the truth.
29:50I'm here to get the truth, whatever that is.
29:51You can cut my .
29:52I'm not trying to put a murder on you.
29:53I'm not trying to put a murder on you.
29:54Yeah, you are.
29:55I am trying to get to the truth.
29:56That is all I want.
29:57You are in my mind because I didn't throw a fire in it.
29:58You're going to .
29:59No, I'm not.
30:00Shut up.
30:01Shut up.
30:02You already, please.
30:03Look.
30:04At this point in the investigation, we did pull DNA from everybody involved.
30:28But the crime scene was very clean.
30:32Whomever killed Byron was very meticulous on making sure that there wasn't much left behind.
30:40So the results came in that there was no DNA matches for anybody.
30:46We didn't have a murder weapon.
30:48We didn't have any real DNA and it could tell us who was there with Byron.
30:54We were back at square one.
30:57So without physical evidence, you start looking at circumstantial.
31:02We start looking at timelines.
31:07The last person that saw Byron Griffey alive was Harry Tomlin.
31:11They met at the bank in downtown Fowler.
31:14And that was about 12-10.
31:19Byron handed me my check.
31:21And he goes, I'm going to go to lunch.
31:23He specifically told me he was going to meet up with Anthony and his brother.
31:28We believe that Byron probably arrived back at the farm approximately 12-15 to meet with Charles and Anthony.
31:35Byron's phone showed two missed calls from Charles' cell phone number.
31:41Since Byron had his cell phone on him, Byron probably didn't answer the call at 12-43 because he was probably dead.
31:51The body wasn't discovered until approximately 8 p.m. by Gina and Lynette.
31:58So from the time that Byron was last seen in Fowler and the first call being missed at 12-43, that's how long it would have taken to murder him.
32:13Tommy said that he was at an abandoned house with a friend during the time Byron was murdered.
32:22Corey Higgs, he was home alone.
32:25But he was living down the road from the farm.
32:28Everybody's a suspect until you can rule them out.
32:33But trying to definitively rule them out was very, very hard.
32:39It was something that we just continued to pursue.
32:44I think many people in town started to wonder, what happened to all of Byron's gold?
32:50Where did it all go?
32:52Now that's the million-dollar question.
33:02So after my dad's murder, Gina and I were trying to find my dad's money.
33:08A year before my dad was murdered, he was really worried that whoever had broken before was going to come back and take all of his coins.
33:18Or somehow Cory knew it was there and so Cory was going to take it.
33:23And there was no way that he could take that to a safety deposit box or something like that.
33:29And so my dad called Charles and Anthony.
33:33Byron asked if we could watch some coins for him.
33:40I had a gun room, as what everybody called it, in the basement of my house.
33:48My dad wanted to make sure that his money was in a secure place.
33:54They talked about a secret room in their house to where nobody would ever see it.
33:59And so Charles and Anthony agreed.
34:03They had a call at like 10 o'clock at night.
34:07Charles and Tony, they were like, hey, come over and give us a hand.
34:11It was just boxes on boxes of quarters, $500 boxes of quarters from each state.
34:18I mean, I'm talking a whole truck bed.
34:20I was like, why is this all in coins?
34:23Like, this is ridiculous.
34:24Charles explained to me, well, if you put all your money into quarters, then it's technically a coin collection.
34:30So it can't be taxed.
34:34Byron did not keep a full record of what he sent to Charles and Anthony.
34:39He called them several times after they took the coins and said, hey, can I come up?
34:45I need to document, you know, what I gave you.
34:49Charles and Anthony were always busy.
34:52They always had a funeral or something.
34:55It begins to paint the picture that Charles and Anthony might be hiding something.
35:04How long would you say you stayed in Fowler?
35:07Oh, no more than 15, 20 minutes.
35:12Charles and Anthony drove an hour to take Byron for a birthday lunch.
35:17The fact that they didn't even walk up to the house, it was a little strange.
35:24Charles and Anthony said, this is where we're going to meet.
35:27It's odd to me that that's where they met because we didn't live at the farm anymore.
35:32The far as you made it was the gate?
35:34Yes.
35:35Now, you know there was another way to get on his property that didn't involve using the gate?
35:39No, I didn't know that.
35:41Charles and Anthony had been out to the farm at least three times.
35:46The only entrance ever accessible was the back entrance.
35:53And that's the only entrance they used when they came to get the coins.
35:57That's the only entrance they used to leave.
36:01One of the tools that my agency uses is a polygraph.
36:08Sure.
36:09If at some point we got to that, would that be something you'd be willing to do?
36:13I want a definite reason as to why.
36:16I told him no, because of polygraph.
36:20It doesn't prove or disprove anything.
36:23And then he asked, would you give a DNA sample?
36:26I said, absolutely.
36:27That's not subjective.
36:29That's actual.
36:31So we did give DNA samples.
36:33And soon it became pretty clear that maybe I was considered a suspect.
36:50CBI had reached out to me a couple of times asking, what did I know about Charles and Tony?
36:56I was shocked.
36:58I couldn't imagine that either one of those brothers would do anything to Byron.
37:04My family, they were always like, you know, we had nothing to do with the murder.
37:09Yeah, I don't know.
37:10Honestly, I'm kind of surprised we didn't talk about it more.
37:13We've known these brothers for years.
37:17We were really close to Charles and Anthony.
37:20And Anthony was so kind.
37:23And he really inspired me to be kinder and more patient,
37:27not so jaded because my job was a little dark.
37:33Laura was a probation officer.
37:36I was talking with her about how I can deal with being a suspect.
37:42We started talking more.
37:44I gave her my phone number, which I'd never done before.
37:48So we could text.
37:50And we just began texting.
37:52And at some point I was starting to have feelings for her.
37:57But that's how it started.
37:59I was away at college.
38:08And I could tell that something was up with my mom.
38:12She wasn't acting like herself anymore.
38:18The first week of the semester, I had missed a call from my mom's good friend Mandy.
38:23I remember checking the voicemail.
38:25I knew something horrible had happened.
38:30I'm just getting information really slowly.
38:51And I'm trying to talk to my mom and she won't pick up my calls.
39:02I got a surprise phone call from one of my mom's friends.
39:06And my mom's friend, she's like, Eric, your mom is hysterical.
39:13She's just like screaming and crying.
39:15He's going to kill himself.
39:16Like, you know, I never meant for this to happen.
39:18And I'm like, what are you talking about?
39:20We're going down the street looking for my mother.
39:24She had got like even more hysterical, crazy,
39:28to where like they're trying to get her into an ambulance.
39:31They didn't take her to the hospital.
39:34They took her to the jail to question her.
39:45I understand that.
39:47Do you know Aunt?
39:48Yes.
39:49My oldest son, um, works for him and his brother.
39:55Okay.
39:56We had been talking a lot more.
40:01I texted on December 26th.
40:05He told me that he loved me and he'd been in love with me for three years.
40:10I suggest that I've been in love with him for the last three years as well.
40:16And so we immediately started to make plans for the future to get there.
40:21What was your husband's mom?
40:23Charles gave me a little fuck.
40:26I thought that was his brother.
40:29Charles and Tony are not brothers.
40:42They're together.
40:46They're lovers.
40:48They're lovers.
40:49Yeah, they're not brothers, Cliff.
40:50No.
40:51How long did you know about Charles and Anthony's relationship?
41:03Yeah.
41:04I think it was two o'clock this afternoon.
41:06Ooh.
41:07Oh.
41:08Oh.
41:09Oh.
41:13Oh.
41:14Yes.
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