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00:00Somebody would have murdered him was the biggest thing.
00:03We didn't have a murder weapon.
00:06We didn't have any real DNA at the scene.
00:12Byron was laid out almost like one would be laid in a casket.
00:16He was staged.
00:19Tommy Tomlin and Corey Higgs were obviously on the suspect list.
00:25But Byron's friends, Charles and Anthony, might be hiding something.
00:33We'd known Charles and Anthony for years.
00:37Anthony was so kind and patient.
00:40My oldest son works for him and his brother.
00:45Well, I thought that was his brother.
00:55Charles and Tony are not brothers.
00:59They're together.
01:00They're lovers.
01:01They're brothers.
01:01I don't know.
01:31It was all just crazy.
02:00It was like, wait, what?
02:01Charles and Tony are gay, have been for 24 years.
02:06Now Tony's leaving Charles.
02:08For my mother, who's leaving my stepfather, who raised us, what the f*** is happening?
02:16I'm furious.
02:18I'm so upset that I would introduce Tony into our family and that the two of them would
02:26just blow it all up for their own selfish needs.
02:30Not only did that rock of your family get just completely destroyed, you know, Charles and
02:38Tony, boom, that's blown up too.
02:40We brought Laura in to interview her to see if Anthony had disclosed anything to her about
02:54the murder of Byron Griffey.
02:56Did Nancy tell you about the death of Byron?
03:00Charleston.
03:00What did he tell you?
03:02He just said they went out to go see a friend and have lunch and they couldn't get onto the
03:08property.
03:09They kept calling him and nobody came out to the gate to unlock it and let him in.
03:13And so they left.
03:14And then the guy ended up dead.
03:17And that's it.
03:25Anthony would party?
03:26Yeah, I'm not so sure.
03:28I don't know either of these guys.
03:30How much contact have you had with Charles over the last five years?
03:35Tons.
03:36What do you know about Charles?
03:38Charles is dangerous.
03:40He scares me.
03:42Why?
03:43I don't know why my intuition will tell me that, but it didn't tell me everything else.
03:50If these guys are wrapped up in that homicide out east, one can't let the other one get
03:57over there.
03:58Nancy, we're hurt.
04:00Well, we all say that.
04:03But we all get surprised.
04:13When you guys came to Florence, how did you guys introduce yourselves?
04:20We did start off calling ourselves brothers.
04:21Initially figured that would help us get broken to the town.
04:30Yes, Charles and I were together for a long time, but we weren't really close physically.
04:37For the last 10 or 15 years, there was no romantic inclination between us.
04:47That had already faded by the time I was starting to have feelings for Laura.
04:52A few hours prior to this happening, I just told Charles, bottom line is I'm not going to stay with you.
05:07Charles' personality was controlling and I was okay with giving up businesses and personal belongings to just try and be happy.
05:20Laura told me that she was moving out.
05:22She had a place to go.
05:23So I packed a bunch of clothes into a garbage bag and threw them in my car and went.
05:28I knew that Charles was very vindictive.
05:34I knew there would be problems in the future.
05:38But I was hoping to work through that.
05:44Always an optimist, I guess.
05:47Before I had even gotten to Laura, Charles had called her and let her in on everything.
05:55So she was freaking out pretty bad.
05:58I told her, yeah, it was true.
06:00But we weren't together for years physically.
06:05It was just basically a convenience because we were working the same businesses.
06:10I told her I was going to go talk to Charles again.
06:14And I was hoping I could just reason with him to be human about it.
06:19I drove all the way home when I got there.
06:22Charles was gone somewhere.
06:24So I left him a note.
06:27I had business credit cards and the business phone.
06:32So I just set it on the table and I just walked out.
06:35I was a police officer in Florence in 2012.
06:41I believe it was a Sunday night.
06:44When I got called into the police department, they said, hey, Anthony's missing.
06:47There's a suicide note.
06:50911, what's the emergency?
06:52Charles was thinking Anthony was going to kill himself.
06:55He starts crying.
06:56You know, he's really upset.
06:58He was telling me, you know, that he really loved Anthony.
07:00He was hoping he was all right.
07:02And he told us to check where the horses were.
07:04My mom was so distraught.
07:07She's like, Charles told me, Anthony's going to kill himself.
07:09We have to find him.
07:10So my friends and I started driving around town.
07:13There's cop cars everywhere.
07:15All the love, going to the church, the Main Street Grill, all the places, you know.
07:19So we're like, oh man, where would he go?
07:21Like, what would he do?
07:23Where is he going to kill himself?
07:26I didn't know any of this was happening.
07:32I was hanging out with my horses.
07:37Yes, I had a firearm with me.
07:39But at the time, I always had a firearm with me.
07:46A couple officers from the Florence Police Department showed up.
07:49So I just came wandering up.
07:51Hey, what's going on, guys?
07:52And how are you doing, buddy?
07:54And I'm like, fine, how are you doing?
07:57They were doing an evaluation to see if I was suicidal.
08:02If I wanted to commit suicide, I'd have done it.
08:05There was no reason not to.
08:07But I didn't, because I wasn't going to commit suicide.
08:11The officers took me to Florence Police Department.
08:15Do you have any weapons on the arrow?
08:18Law enforcement did receive the note that Anthony had authored.
08:24Some believed it to be an admission of guilt with the murder of Byron Griffey.
08:30It says, I hold no one responsible for my actions but myself.
08:47Please don't hold anyone else responsible for anything that I have done.
08:51And I signed it, Anthony has right.
08:54Uh, I don't know.
08:56It's, it was a personal note to Charles about Laura.
09:00And that's all it was.
09:02If I'd have known CBI was going to read it, I probably would have worded it differently.
09:07We brought Charles in so that they both could be questioned.
09:10Do you remember pretty much everything we talked about back in October about the Byron thing?
09:15Yeah.
09:16Would it be okay if we just square up a couple of things?
09:17Yes, right?
09:18Okay.
09:19Because there's been some things that I've found the last couple months that have been causing me some concern.
09:23Let me just go ahead and get you right real quick.
09:25You still under-revised?
09:26You are not under-revised.
09:27No.
09:28I just want to make sure there's nothing else that you forgot.
09:30We had realized there were inconsistencies in their story.
09:34We were hoping at some point one would turn on the other and say something that hadn't been said before.
09:41Mark, if you have evidence, I don't believe you do it because I did nothing.
09:45I mean, what have you guys?
09:47When I learned that Charles and Anthony weren't brothers, wow, it was a sense of betrayal.
10:08I think a lot of people in Florence felt that way.
10:14It was almost like the whole town got duped.
10:19As an investigator for the Fremont County Coroner's Office, I would have to call funeral homes at strange hours of the night.
10:26There'd be a call to Charles Giebler for him to come pick up somebody that had just passed away.
10:33And he'd just say, hold on, talk to Anthony, and then roll over and give the phone to Anthony.
10:38So, you know, at that point, it's like, well, I don't sleep with my brother.
10:43Gay relationships have been in this world from the beginning of time.
10:49It's nothing new.
10:51It's who you are, and some people can't accept that.
10:55Lying about who you are and not wanting to tell everyone is self-preservation.
11:02It's really hard for me to wrap my head around how long of a relationship they had.
11:08This was a full-fledged, like, life that these guys built together.
11:12And so it's really hard that Tony's never really addressed it or, like, talked about it.
11:18And then being gay myself, it's like, you couldn't spot two other gay guys.
11:23I do understand why it wouldn't be public information, but they were, like, family to us.
11:29They could have trusted at least us to know their secret.
11:38Well, as long as we're sitting here today, I need to clear up some things, Tony.
11:43There's none that's still HRs.
11:45But looked at your cell phone records, watched your travels that day.
11:50When you left the farm, you told me that you guys wouldn't have lunch in Pueblo.
11:56There's about an hour of time that I need you to account for.
12:01During the interviews with Charles and Anthony, they stated that they left Fowler about 1 o'clock.
12:06They drove to Pueblo.
12:08They ate lunch at a buffet restaurant, which they had a receipt for.
12:13We contacted the buffet restaurant to see if we could get some surveillance footage from the cameras.
12:19Unfortunately, the cameras had already erased themselves.
12:26As we're putting the timeline together, if they would have left Fowler a little before 1 o'clock,
12:32it's about a 35-minute drive from Fowler to the buffet.
12:36Receipts showed that they were stamped in at 226, which you pay before you eat.
12:42So there was almost an entire hour that was unaccounted for.
12:51It does not take an hour and a half to get from Fowler to the buffet.
12:55So, rack your brain, you know, it would be very unaccounted if you were out.
12:58I hardly remember that, Dave.
13:03And you've got an hour of driving around, no out-of-by other than each other.
13:09You must have been mistaken.
13:12Do you remember what you told me the day I talked to you Sunday, the day after Byron's death?
13:18Do you remember telling me what vehicle you drove out there?
13:21It was a black Mercedes S-500 in 1997.
13:27It was the black, the before normal Mercedes?
13:30Okay.
13:32Here's what's bothering me the most.
13:35I pulled the Savannah's video from different locations.
13:40I know you're not in the black Mercedes.
13:43In fact, I can tell you exactly what you're driving.
13:45I'm concerned why you're not being honest with me about that.
13:49I ain't afraid I don't know what you're talking about.
13:56They say that they're driving their Mercedes, they decide to go to lunch,
14:00then go by the Home Depot to buy the deck box that they're going to place out of the marina for their boat.
14:07We got surveillance footage that shows where they had bought the deck box.
14:12And the investigator was able to identify that they were in a white Astro van
14:17that is totally inconsistent with them being in a Mercedes.
14:22Imagine, if you will, how that looks.
14:27The day after I'm talking to you, you say black Mercedes.
14:31Everybody says black Mercedes.
14:33And then I find out independently that you're in a different vehicle.
14:38Why are you being dishonest with us about the vehicle?
14:42Why would you lie about something as stupid as what vehicle you drove unless you don't?
14:47I don't believe I was lying.
14:49It must have been mistaken. I could have sworn I was in that car.
14:54To the best of my knowledge, the car that we drove down there was a black Mercedes.
14:59That was honestly primary mode of transportation for me.
15:04And my brain told me that that's what I was driving that day because it made sense.
15:09Tony, you're lying to me about what vehicle you were driving that day.
15:13It must have been mistaken.
15:14The next day you forgot what vehicle you drove?
15:17I didn't think there was any reason to have total recall of an average day.
15:23It wasn't an average day, Tony.
15:25A man died that day and you were there on his property when he died.
15:28I didn't know that at the time.
15:30I never made it past the gate. I don't know what to tell you.
15:34Both Charles and Anthony seemed to forget that they were in the Astro van.
15:43There was no other seating in the van other than the two front seats.
15:48Charles and Anthony had no intent on picking Byron up and taking him anywhere that day
15:54because there was nowhere for an 80-year-old man to sit in that van.
16:00Charles and Anthony were not there to take their friend for a birthday lunch.
16:06They were there to murder Byron.
16:09So, you know, guys, we did not do anything to Byron.
16:13That's the honest about the truth.
16:15Charles and Anthony denied everything.
16:17So we start going through and looking closer.
16:22We learned they had some very deep, dark secrets that made me think,
16:27how can this case get any crazier?
16:39CBI had told me that Charles and Anthony were suspects.
16:44They had a motive to kill my dad.
16:47I mean, it's all about money.
16:49The police were really focused on Charles and Anthony.
16:54So it made me kind of second-guess Cory.
17:00Charles and Anthony is the only ones that knew that he was going to the farm.
17:06The farm itself is isolated.
17:10There would be no way that a neighbor would have heard a gunshot.
17:16Charles and Anthony's story was falling apart.
17:19And during the investigation, we uncovered some less than savory details about them.
17:25I think most funeral directors want to generally help people.
17:37And there's some that want to take advantage of people at their lowest point.
17:42The funeral home I worked for had a great reputation in this community.
17:46They've been in this community for generations.
17:49And then these guys come in and just snowball everybody.
17:53The people that hated Charles and Anthony were kind of the other business people in town.
18:00Because Charles did not play very well with them.
18:03A funeral director, it's all about being professional.
18:08You know, you go out to somebody's house and take one of their loved ones out the door that has just passed away.
18:16You shouldn't be in a t-shirt.
18:19These guys just kind of did whatever they wanted.
18:22Charles would show up in cargo shorts, flip flops.
18:26I just couldn't believe it.
18:28I thought it was so unprofessional.
18:30Charles and Tony, they always put you in that situation where you were like,
18:35whew, that's kind of sketchy or like morally cloudy.
18:40They asked us to do a few shaky things here or there.
18:45It felt like you were kind of like in the little mini town mob.
18:48And Charles was the mob boss.
18:50Then we were the henchmen.
18:54These people were doing things that they shouldn't be doing.
18:57I mean, it felt like they were definitely out to get us.
19:02A smoke grenade was thrown through the window of the mortuary.
19:06And it's not like everybody in Florence just has smoke grenades.
19:10But Charles Giebler was heavily into weapons.
19:16You can't prove it was them.
19:18But nobody else is going to do that.
19:23And then years back, right around Pioneer Day, before the big parade,
19:28I had brought over the 39 Packers and the 38 Cadillac limo.
19:33It was very important to Bill Holt, the owner of the mortuary,
19:37that those vehicles be in that parade.
19:40We drove them over there the night before.
19:43The next day, all the ignition wires had been cut.
19:49The car wouldn't start.
19:52Somebody didn't want us in that parade and went in and snipped the wires behind the dash.
19:57It was obviously Charles and Anthony.
20:01Who else would do that?
20:04Charles always liked to talk about how he would get one over,
20:10especially on the IRS or the government or any kind of authority figure.
20:14Charles started that church so that he could become tax exempt
20:18and kind of funnel some funds through there.
20:20That was definitely not the first, like, tax scheme.
20:27Charles told me that you would not believe the tax breaks.
20:32That's why they did it.
20:38One of the obligations that law enforcement has
20:41is to investigate the background of any potential suspect.
20:45We became aware that Charles had been found catfishing.
20:49He was setting up these online relationships, clearly sexual in nature,
20:53and representing himself as a younger individual.
20:57This kid in New York, tell me about you.
21:00Facebook has this new thing, this little role-playing kind of game.
21:03It's just a game.
21:04The kid in New York didn't think it was a game.
21:06No, he didn't.
21:07Charles had a rock and roll mortician persona that he was trying to keep up,
21:14that he was, you know, younger, in a band, worked as a mortician,
21:18and worked as a mortician.
21:19So is this a little beating you spend on the internet with these kids?
21:22I guess so.
21:23I confronted him about it, and he said it's just a role-play.
21:28I said, okay, whatever.
21:30Well, a poor 18-year-old kid in New York was pretty devastated.
21:34He didn't know that Charles was a 50-whatever-year-old man.
21:38He thought he was a 25-year-old little hard-body kid.
21:41Charles, the things that he did in his life, like the catfishing and going into politics
21:48and the church being a bishop, that played into his narcissism.
21:54He liked to show off, be the man that people were talking about.
22:00Charles definitely thought of himself as above the law.
22:03Maybe he thought of himself as the law as more accurate, because he had his own sense of justice,
22:10and he also had God on his side.
22:13Charles also liked to boast.
22:16He would say, if I was ever going to kill someone, I would use a 22 to the back of the head.
22:21They were very much a threat, I believe, to the community.
22:30Everything that Charles and Anthony did was all a scam.
22:35And you've got to just wonder, what happened to Irene Witte?
22:42Irene Witte and her husband Frank had lived in Florence almost all their lives.
22:48They operated the funeral home next door.
22:52When Frank Witte died, we took care of his wife because her family kind of just left her high and dry.
23:01I'd heard bad stories from Charles and Tony about how awful Irene's family was.
23:07And they're the ones that took care of her.
23:10They took her soup, they fed her, they took her to the doctor.
23:13Charles took over as a financial situation.
23:16And a week before she passed away, she had changed her will and left everything to them.
23:24The number was $700 to $1 million.
23:28I 100% believe Charles was part of Irene's death.
23:32Charles and Anthony always spent money.
23:38They liked to flash it around.
23:40But after Byron died, they took it up a notch.
23:44They bought boats, jets, skis.
23:48They started spending money like crazy.
23:50At this time, business was slow.
23:53Charles and Tony weren't making much money at all.
23:57The Colorado Department of Revenue was attempting to shut down some of the businesses that Charles and Anthony owned for failure to pay taxes.
24:05So they were in financial trouble.
24:08It made us believe that that would have been a large motive as to why Byron was murdered.
24:18The next step was to get a search warrant for the white astro van.
24:24Knowing that they had bought the deck box and that they were at the North Shore marina, we thought that they might have discarded the murder weapon.
24:35Divers were sent to look for a weapon.
24:39Unfortunately, we were not able to obtain the weapon from the marina.
24:44The evidence from the astro van came up empty.
24:48There was no DNA.
24:49There was no blood in the astro van.
24:51So again, we were pretty much at square one.
24:55At the same time, we had not been able to rule out other suspects.
25:01Tommy Tomlin and Corey Hicks.
25:04Tommy Tomlin did take a polygraph, which he failed.
25:08We couldn't pinpoint where Corey's whereabouts were and Corey's alibi did have some holes in it.
25:16As we began to dig deeper, we found that Corey had a very good motive to hurt Byron.
25:23So, have you ever taken a polygraph before?
25:25Do you know anything about polygraphs?
25:28I don't know a whole heck of a lot about it other than heart rate, breathing rate, blood pressure, you know, all those nice physical things.
25:35Corey is extremely intelligent.
25:38He can take control of any situation that you put him in.
25:43How did you sleep last night?
25:45Not so good?
25:48What was going on with you last night?
25:50I'm just going to shut my mind off thinking about today.
25:52About today, okay.
25:53I was just nervous and just running all of it through my head.
25:57Okay.
25:58Alright.
25:59So, what do you want this polygraph to prove today?
26:02That I wasn't there.
26:03Didn't have anything to do with it.
26:05Okay.
26:06It's not me.
26:07Okay.
26:08So, I don't want to dredge up because it's obviously very serious and difficult for you to talk about what happened.
26:17But, when I'm outside looking in, you have a pretty good motive to murder Byron.
26:32Based on what I understand, you made allegations that Byron was sexually assaulting you.
26:51Corey Higgs was Byron's step-grandson.
26:54I still saw him as my friend, even though I know it was an ulterior early motive.
26:59You fought his part?
27:01Yeah.
27:02We got along really good if I was doing the sexual things that he wanted.
27:10So, he kind of had a dark side?
27:12Yeah.
27:13About a year before the murder, Corey had said that Byron would give him cash for sexual favors and that Byron would take care of him that way.
27:26Was there ever a time that you were consenting with him?
27:31You could say yes, I was consenting.
27:34But, I still didn't like the idea that was happening.
27:38I didn't like him.
27:41I mean, I didn't like what he did to me.
27:43I still feel bad.
27:45And, even though I shouldn't, I still did.
27:49I think Corey accused Byron because none of us were bowing down to him anymore to get him out of foster care.
28:02Accusing my dad just seemed like that would have been something he'd have done just to hurt us.
28:14Prior to 2012, did you ever think of getting even with someone?
28:20Yes.
28:22So, Byron is arrested.
28:25When we had the conversation with Byron, after he had posted bail, he said,
28:32I did not do anything.
28:35I did believe Byron.
28:37A case was opened and Byron was charged with sexual assault on a child by one in a position of trust.
28:48Byron was found guilty.
28:51After that, my dad couldn't see his grandkids.
28:55He went from the most loving, caring person to the most depressed, withdrawn person.
29:07He was embarrassed and ashamed that people believed what Corey had said.
29:13He was scared that Corey was going to sue him.
29:16I've known Byron for years.
29:19We were friends.
29:20Several weeks before he actually died, Byron had said, I have a letter to give to you.
29:27It was a letter in a sealed envelope.
29:29And he said, if something happens to me, be sure you do an autopsy and look at this letter.
29:39And he said, it's just concerning because of the situation surrounding him and Corey.
29:45Did he feel a threat against his life?
29:48Was something going on that was a major concern to him that was going to happen?
29:54What would have led Corey to actually murder Byron was my big thing.
30:00Time had passed.
30:02The court case with him was over.
30:05Corey didn't gain anything out of any of it, other than being able to hold Byron accountable.
30:12Corey lost everybody that was family to him.
30:17Did you ignore Byron?
30:19Yeah.
30:20Did you ask anybody to do it for you?
30:21No.
30:22Did you walk out to his house?
30:27No.
30:28Or to the farm and go and do his farm?
30:30I haven't been on that farm for almost three years.
30:35All right.
30:36After Corey had taken his polygraph, the results came in, and it was found that he passed it.
30:47At that point in time, Corey was ruled out as a suspect.
30:51We had no evidence that Corey was there, that he was involved.
30:56There's nothing that attaches him to this crime other than the fact that he had been lost by Byron Griffey.
31:04So that ruled him out in our eyes.
31:07I truly feel that if Corey would have walked up to the farm, Byron would have been on the phone calling 911.
31:13I don't think Byron would have willingly opened the door for Corey prior to the murder.
31:22During the investigation, we began to realize that there's another side to Byron that people didn't know.
31:29Everybody knew, the young males, if you needed money for something, you'd just go see Byron.
31:36He had ways of letting them earn money.
31:40Never got any specifics.
31:42Byron, I think, was embarrassed.
31:45You have to remember that men of his age who were gay, they didn't talk about it.
31:53Byron got a divorce long ago from Lynette's mom.
31:58I personally never spoke to Byron about sexuality.
32:03But I think that Byron was extremely lonely as far as a partner-type relationship.
32:13Tommy Tomlin was someone who would do just about anything for money.
32:19As time went on, we started to hear that he was in a relationship with Byron,
32:24that he kind of withheld from us from the start.
32:28So the next step was to meet with Tommy again.
32:33I'd like to clear this up tonight.
32:40So why? Because I don't want to ever talk to you guys again.
32:43Then help me out.
32:45There is something else that happened to you, Byron.
32:49All right.
32:50I heard that.
32:55I heard that.
32:56I appreciate your candor.
32:58I'm not going to do that.
33:01I'm not going to do that.
33:03All right.
33:04There was a relationship between Tommy and Byron that was more than your everyday handyman.
33:12He would do odd jobs around the house.
33:14Byron would invite him over to have turkey pot pies and to watch porn.
33:20And Byron would give him money for sexual favors.
33:27I don't need to know any details, but where did this happen outside?
33:31At his house in town.
33:33Not on the farm.
33:35I was high.
33:37You have now helped me to help you.
33:41With Tommy Tomlin, knowing his drug issues.
33:45If Tommy killed Byron in a heat of passion, it probably wouldn't have been at the farm.
33:51And it probably wouldn't have been as clean as it was.
33:54So it was at this time that we kind of started shying away from Tommy as a top suspect.
34:01What motive did he have?
34:03I mean, he could have worked for my dad every day and got money.
34:08And now he gets nothing.
34:10So I didn't see that Tommy had any motive to do it.
34:17This was a very hard case.
34:20We felt that we were getting very close to making arrest warrants for Charles and Anthony.
34:26But the moment we thought we had it figured out, there was a turn.
34:31And now we had another dead body on our hands.
34:38A few months after Byron's murder, we felt that we were getting very close to being able to make an arrest of Charles and Anthony.
34:51And we were in the process of drafting the arrest warrant.
34:54And they were aware that they were being investigated for the murder of Byron.
34:57It was tough.
35:09We're dealing with the family collapse.
35:12My mom had left my stepdad, Dave, for Tony.
35:15And now this murder investigation is fully happening.
35:19And, like, Charles and Anthony are suspects.
35:22But they were always assuring me that this was nothing.
35:25And it was going to go away.
35:28Charles was just absolutely wrought.
35:34Anger, fear, stress.
35:37And you could just see it on him.
35:40Charles called and he told me Anthony had left him.
35:44And that they were going to be charged with murder and picked up the next day.
35:49So he said, need to come get your dad's coins.
35:54CBI told me to go then, but I was scared and I didn't trust Charles.
36:00We knew that Charles and Anthony were accused of killing Byron.
36:05So we took Harry Tomlin with us just to be safe.
36:10I am legally allowed to conceal, carry.
36:14So I brought a weapon with me.
36:17Basically, I was their guardian angel.
36:23Charles and Tony lived in a big, beautiful Victorian home that they had restored.
36:31It was the first and only time I had ever been in their house.
36:34We weren't allowed to go to the secret room.
36:38Charles and his friend were bringing everything to the living room.
36:41When the state quarters came out, there's 50 states.
36:47My dad had bought four boxes of each.
36:50They gave me back 60 boxes, a couple pennies, whatever.
36:56It was nothing compared to what they took.
36:58But Charles said nothing.
37:01No explanation as to where my dad's money went.
37:05I was told there was a million dollars worth of coins, but there was a semantic amount missing.
37:12When Charles and Anthony came out to the farm to get Byron's coins, they used a very heavy-duty van.
37:19Charles and Anthony loaded that van until it was squatting.
37:25So you knew that you were getting to capacity.
37:30When we went to pick up the coins, we had just a regular pickup truck, and it didn't even fill half of the bed.
37:40Like, the truck didn't squat at all.
37:42Charles kept saying, I wanted to show you something.
37:46Like, he kept trying to get me alone in, like, the dining room area.
37:52But I was scared of him, and I didn't want to be in the room alone with him.
37:56Harry made sure that that didn't happen.
37:59None of us were ever alone with Charles.
38:08As we were driving back from Florence, I called CBI and told them what all had happened and everything.
38:14And after I hung up, we kept driving.
38:23And when we got about at Pueblo West, the passenger side window just shattered.
38:30Somebody came up and shot out the side window and then sped off and then at the next flight flipped around and went back towards Florence.
38:43I don't know. I think I'm lucky that I wasn't shot that night.
38:48The next day, I was trying to get a hold of Charles. I had some questions about the funeral home.
39:03I had chatted with Pam at the restaurant, and Pam was trying to get a hold of him also.
39:09I got a call from Angela, who was running the mortuary.
39:14She said she hadn't heard from Charles, and she wanted me to meet her over at the house.
39:20And I told her, absolutely not. I'm sorry, I can't.
39:24But Tony brought Pam the key to the house, and we drove out to the house.
39:32We were really kind of hoping the car wouldn't be there and that he'd just be somewhere.
39:36But the car was there, and so we went in and we couldn't find him upstairs.
39:46And we went downstairs and found him in the downstairs bathroom.
39:51My friends and I were going by Charles' house, and there's ambulances everywhere.
40:06I'm going to pull over just enough time to watch them pull him out on the stretcher.
40:22And I was like, what the ****?
40:25There's a lot of unanswered questions about this case.
40:38It would be nice if somebody stepped up and answered for what they did.
40:43The questions that I still have 12 years later is ridiculous.
40:47It's suspicious that Charles passed away.
40:50Somebody wanted him dead.
40:52I think it was a suicide because he didn't want to have to go through prison time.
41:00The big unanswered question I have is what really happened to Charles?
41:05Was he involved with Byron's murder?
41:08And what happened to all of Byron's gold?
41:12Where did it go?
41:14Where did it all go?
41:17Where did it go?
41:19Where did it go?
41:20Where did it go?
41:21Where did it go?
41:29.
41:35It was a comfortable guy's clint.
41:37It was so happy, and now he raised your müssen.
41:40It was a great day.
41:42Peter Walut.
41:43Now again, we actually do wipes the water.
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