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00:00:00What's going on there, Reject Nation?

00:00:02Welcome to part two of our reaction to the Stranger Things 4 volume two finale.

00:00:07That's a mouthful of words right there.

00:00:09If you guys missed part one, there's a card right above us or a link in the description box

00:00:13to go watch that for us and come back here.

00:00:15Or if you just want to stick around for here, that's fine too.

00:00:18That's fine too.

00:00:19All we ask is that you leave a like if you're doing that.

00:00:22Or if you go back, leave a like on that video too.

00:00:24That's true.

00:00:25That's true.

00:00:25And you can check us on Patreon.

00:00:27We're full length watch along.

00:00:28We sync up with the time code for this series or over there for Super Sexy Rejects.

00:00:31Cover a bunch of shows where exclusively reaction highlights and watch alongs are included at the same tier.

00:00:37And also got to thank the Prepper team for helping us edit down these highlights.

00:00:39You guys have been absolutely instrumental in getting these up.

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00:00:46Hope you guys stick around for a review at the end because it's a thick one.

00:00:49It's a thick one.

00:00:58No.

00:00:59No.

00:01:09Holy hell.

00:01:24Smart.

00:01:24he made you into this he's the monster henry not you he did not make me into this you did

00:01:39yep

00:01:41at first i believed you had sent me to my death oh sweet he's gonna monologue again

00:01:54we got a chance

00:01:57i was somewhere new

00:02:01wow

00:02:03i became an explorer

00:02:09i found the most extraordinary thing of all

00:02:19it's fucking crazy

00:02:22everything

00:02:25oh

00:02:27to transcend my human form

00:02:30to become the predator i was always born to be

00:02:37oh

00:02:38holy shit

00:02:48mind flare

00:03:01wow that is a gnarly ass shot jesus what i wouldn't give to see this on an imax

00:03:05i saw your power once again you have free me oh my god so much energy

00:03:22it is over eleven your friends have lost

00:03:37oh

00:03:38oh

00:03:39no

00:03:43come

00:03:44come on dusty bun

00:03:48nothing you can do to stop this now

00:03:56oh

00:03:58oh shit

00:03:59oh

00:04:00oh

00:04:01oh

00:04:02no no no no

00:04:11ah fuck

00:04:12hawkins will burn

00:04:14and fall

00:04:16fall

00:04:17and the rest of this senseless broken world

00:04:20and i will be there

00:04:23now i just want you to watch

00:04:27come on eleven find the strength

00:04:29oh

00:04:30don't be afraid

00:04:31try and stay very still

00:04:35it will all be over soon

00:04:41oh no no no no no no no no no

00:04:57oh

00:05:11say it

00:05:12mike

00:05:14don't stop

00:05:15okay you're the heart

00:05:17okay remember that

00:05:18you're the heart

00:05:20oh

00:05:22i don't know if you can hear this

00:05:24but

00:05:25but if you can

00:05:26i want you to know i'm here

00:05:27okay

00:05:28i'm right here

00:05:29and

00:05:31i love you

00:05:33i love you

00:05:38i love you

00:05:39i'm sorry i don't say it more

00:05:41it's not because i'm scared of you

00:05:43i'm not

00:05:44i've never felt that way

00:05:46never

00:05:47i don't know how to live without you

00:05:51i feel like my life started that day we found you in the woods

00:05:58yellow benny's burgers t-shirt

00:06:00and it was so big it almost swallowed you whole

00:06:02you have to fight

00:06:15fight

00:06:16fight

00:06:17fucking heck

00:06:21come on

00:06:23mike

00:06:25i love you again

00:06:26i know

00:06:27alright

00:06:28Your chef

00:06:42come on

00:06:45oh

00:06:46everyone fight

00:06:47everybody

00:06:52ehhh

00:06:53Nooo

00:06:55sing the song man

00:06:58no no you gotta be shitting me sing the song

00:07:05what's going on

00:07:28yeah

00:07:38joy yeah

00:07:50oh

00:07:55oh my god

00:08:02bullets won't do anything just just keep running

00:08:07oh my god it got me so fast

00:08:12oh no

00:08:17yes

00:08:29all right let's try to kill vecna

00:08:32god nancy's always so hot when she has a gun

00:08:44i think we found your type

00:08:51no way yes oh my god

00:08:55the most righteous oh boy retribution

00:08:58that's her true strength the power of love the power of love

00:09:20now would be a good time to start a shotgun blasting him

00:09:34you have

00:09:49oh

00:09:56yes

00:09:59yes come on land

00:10:01come on land for the love of god land

00:10:05oh

00:10:12oh

00:10:14now just fucking blast him

00:10:16just blast every pledge of him away

00:10:18holy moly

00:10:33oh

00:10:38shoot him in the head hit him with the hatchet something

00:10:44why are you just watching

00:10:53oh

00:11:08yeah that's hot

00:11:10come on nancy

00:11:11come on shoot him put that sod off to work

00:11:14god

00:11:24god damn

00:11:25she's like sarah connor man

00:11:28do it

00:11:28yes

00:11:38yes hopper

00:11:42clown

00:11:42you're a clown

00:11:44you're a clown

00:11:45cool

00:11:54cool love it

00:11:55absolutely love it

00:11:58oh my god did they do it is he dead

00:12:03is the show over

00:12:08we all ran up that hill

00:12:09whether we were in hawkins or russia or california all of us together running in unison

00:12:18yeah

00:12:29yeah

00:12:30we will get arrested soon

00:12:32when we crossed this border

00:12:34now I turn you in

00:12:35for reward

00:12:36oh god he's gone isn't he

00:12:41of course he is

00:12:43no double taps today

00:12:49no no no no you're gonna be fine

00:12:51we just gotta get you to a hospital

00:12:52alright alright alright

00:12:55come on

00:12:56I think it's just an insect

00:12:59okay

00:12:59he's choking on too much blood

00:13:05man

00:13:06I didn't run away this time right

00:13:09aw

00:13:11you're gonna have to look after those little

00:13:13sheep from me okay

00:13:14no you're gonna do that yourself

00:13:16nah man

00:13:17see I'm gonna look after them

00:13:20I'm gonna look after

00:13:22I'm gonna actually

00:13:24graduate

00:13:25I love you dad

00:13:31I love you too

00:13:35oh

00:13:36Eddie

00:13:41god why are they always killing off

00:13:43fucking him

00:13:44fuck

00:13:52we need a doctor

00:13:55call an ambulance

00:13:57hurry call an ambulance

00:13:59but only one ambulance

00:14:01I can't feel

00:14:03I can't see anything

00:14:05what's going on

00:14:06I know I know

00:14:07it's okay

00:14:07we're gonna get you some help

00:14:09oh shit

00:14:10look I'm so scared

00:14:11I'm so scared

00:14:12I'm so scared

00:14:13I know

00:14:14I know I know

00:14:15I know

00:14:15I don't want to die

00:14:17I'm not ready

00:14:17oh no

00:14:19no no no no no no

00:14:29don't don't don't

00:14:30stay with me max

00:14:32hang on

00:14:33I never got help

00:14:36what

00:14:42no no no

00:14:44thanks

00:14:46thanks

00:14:47thanks

00:14:48thanks

00:14:49stay with me

00:14:50oh holy fuck

00:14:51holy shit

00:15:08she actually die

00:15:09sure seems that way

00:15:11oh my god

00:15:23oh

00:15:25oh

00:15:27oh

00:15:31oh

00:15:32wow

00:15:33oh my god

00:15:33wow

00:15:35wow

00:15:35jesus

00:15:36how do you believe her shit

00:15:37yeah

00:15:38in your last

00:15:39disintegrating moments

00:15:41holy shit

00:15:53holy shit it's happening

00:15:54that

00:15:55is chilling

00:15:57wow

00:15:58wow

00:16:06wow

00:16:07i don't believe it

00:16:11oh the four points merging

00:16:13x marks the spot

00:16:15that

00:16:16this just got to a whole new level

00:16:29you're not going

00:16:31what

00:16:35come on now

00:16:39what

00:16:45what was she gonna do

00:16:46hi

00:16:47max wanted to have

00:16:49a sleepover

00:16:50this is insane

00:16:52is chilling at work

00:16:54nope

00:17:02hundreds more

00:17:03filling

00:17:03Roan County hospitals

00:17:05and many more

00:17:05still missing

00:17:06officials expect

00:17:07those numbers to rise

00:17:09it's like

00:17:09goddamn hellfire club

00:17:10so satanists

00:17:12and their dungeons

00:17:13and dragons

00:17:13wow

00:17:20i just

00:17:22kept such in shock

00:17:24right now

00:17:24i can't believe

00:17:24they went there

00:17:25with this

00:17:26most recently

00:17:27a string of high school

00:17:28students were killed

00:17:29in a series of

00:17:30ritualistic murders

00:17:31which have been linked

00:17:32to a local satanic

00:17:33cult known as

00:17:34hellfire

00:17:35awesome

00:17:36good

00:17:37everyone's like

00:17:47Argyle

00:17:48finally

00:17:48we've heard so much

00:17:50about you

00:17:51you are never going

00:17:56on vacation again

00:17:57you hear me

00:17:58in fact

00:17:58you can forget

00:17:59about college

00:18:00you are staying

00:18:01right here

00:18:02in Hawkins

00:18:04yes

00:18:05the most dangerous

00:18:06place on the planet

00:18:07for now

00:18:08i'm just glad

00:18:10you're safe

00:18:11ah poor steve

00:18:16you don't know

00:18:17he opened his eyes

00:18:21and further words

00:18:23died in his throat

00:18:24she's in a coma

00:18:25i'm sorry

00:18:28that's right

00:18:33they had no idea

00:18:34their loving was in

00:18:35there huh

00:18:35she died

00:18:37then she came back

00:18:38doctors

00:18:40don't know how

00:18:41they say

00:18:42it's a miracle

00:18:43what did you do

00:18:51take some credit

00:18:52come here max

00:18:58come on you can go

00:19:05into her mind

00:19:05right

00:19:06we've got

00:19:07infants

00:19:07girls

00:19:08boys

00:19:09men

00:19:09women

00:19:10oh

00:19:11if anything

00:19:11too bad

00:19:13shapes

00:19:13i really don't

00:19:15i am making

00:19:21pbj's

00:19:21right

00:19:22yeah

00:19:22no

00:19:22of course

00:19:23i am also

00:19:24making pbj's

00:19:25as it so happens

00:19:26what are you doing

00:19:30here

00:19:30i didn't mean it

00:19:30like what are you

00:19:31doing here

00:19:31i just meant like

00:19:32oh what are you

00:19:32doing here

00:19:33like wow nice

00:19:33prize

00:19:33good to see you

00:19:34i didn't take it

00:19:37as anything negative

00:19:37okay good

00:19:38i have just made a peanut

00:19:48butter

00:19:48peanut butter

00:19:49monstrosity

00:19:50throw it all out

00:19:53oh come on

00:19:58i don't know what's wrong

00:20:01with me

00:20:01um

00:20:02it's like sometimes my mouth

00:20:04is moving faster than my brain

00:20:05and it's like this runaway train

00:20:07and i cannot seem to get it to stop

00:20:08no matter how hard i try

00:20:10there's one thing that fixes that

00:20:13yeah i think i know what you mean

00:20:14gay girls talk a lot in this huh

00:20:18yeah

00:20:18thank you

00:20:25early birthday

00:20:25thank you so much

00:20:26oh

00:20:26i was with him when the earthquake hit

00:20:32and where's eddie now

00:20:34even in the end

00:20:45he never stopped being eddie

00:20:49he isn't just innocent

00:20:54mr munson he's

00:20:58he's a hero

00:21:00this place is a total disaster

00:21:06yeah

00:21:07well that's a bit of a problem

00:21:10i mean i get we gotta hide supergirl and all

00:21:13but this isn't exactly like a fortress of solitude man

00:21:16it's more like a fortress of grodiness

00:21:19seriously

00:21:20i've seen mike's room look worse than this

00:21:23oh brutal dude

00:21:24nothing a montage can't fix

00:21:27oh my god is he gonna come back to it

00:21:33she has no idea

00:21:35i just mean i'm glad you were with mike

00:21:37and will

00:21:39and i'm

00:21:40i'm glad you're here too

00:21:42she's never lost before

00:21:44not like this

00:21:46she'll have another chance

00:21:48let's hope not

00:21:49let's hope

00:21:50one is dead

00:21:51and rotting

00:21:52he's not

00:21:54ah crap

00:21:56now that i'm here

00:21:57in hawkins

00:21:59this poor kid

00:22:00god damn it

00:22:03justice for will

00:22:05not until he's taken everything

00:22:08and everyone

00:22:10we have to kill him

00:22:14and we will

00:22:16oh my god is it him

00:22:19is it hopscopper

00:22:20that doesn't look like hopper

00:22:24that would be awesome if it is

00:22:28new wheels

00:22:30come on

00:22:34oh yes

00:22:39thank you

00:22:41yes

00:22:47yes

00:22:56look at that hat

00:23:00i know

00:23:01swipe it off some

00:23:05tired

00:23:05i get it open

00:23:07i get the door open

00:23:09three

00:23:09oh man

00:23:12i'm here

00:23:14i'm here

00:23:17feels like a dream

00:23:23you look

00:23:25skinny

00:23:27not fat

00:23:29your hair

00:23:34your hair

00:23:37oh i love this so much

00:23:43what do you think

00:23:44so many callbacks in this one scene

00:23:52i love it

00:23:53you aren't the only one

00:23:55that didn't stop believing

00:23:56aww her mom and dad

00:24:06i'm happy

00:24:08you went to your

00:24:09conference

00:24:12where's owens

00:24:22yeah man

00:24:23and what happened to our buds

00:24:24from the motherland

00:24:25hey

00:24:28you shrunk

00:24:31you shrunk

00:24:35oh it's nice to see them get along

00:24:44pop poppin long

00:24:45aww the hair on the back of his neck

00:24:46aww shit

00:24:47oh no

00:24:49no

00:24:50poor guy

00:24:51leave will alone

00:24:53oh damn

00:24:55is he the only one seeing this

00:24:57nope

00:24:59nope okay

00:25:00mom it's snowy

00:25:14that is not snow

00:25:15it is ash

00:25:16or

00:25:17upside down particulate

00:25:19steve just slips and dies

00:25:25holy balls

00:25:39whoa

00:25:48jesus

00:25:49yikes

00:25:50wow the use of music here

00:25:58whoa

00:26:03whoa

00:26:06god damn

00:26:09oh man

00:26:09you thought the ending of last season

00:26:12volume one was crazy

00:26:13damn

00:26:15wow

00:26:22is there gonna be a post credit scene or something

00:26:25maybe

00:26:26is there not making a skip

00:26:29maybe for once netflix is like

00:26:32hey

00:26:32people

00:26:33people made two and a half hours worth of this

00:26:36you can watch their names now

00:26:37that was wild

00:26:39that was wild

00:26:41that was epic

00:26:42kind of got liked

00:26:43sounds weird

00:26:46uh huh

00:26:47but i kind of got like

00:26:48jurassic world ending of falling kingdom vibes

00:26:51i was gonna

00:26:52i was gonna call that out at some point

00:26:54yeah yeah yeah

00:26:55where it's like

00:26:56they're off the island now

00:26:58yeah

00:26:58like all the jurassic parks like

00:27:00oh they gotta keep the dinosaurs away

00:27:03and then oh this ends with

00:27:04oh shit they're gonna come

00:27:05they're on the mainland

00:27:06what are we gonna do

00:27:07that was like the vibe i got

00:27:08was like

00:27:09oh damn

00:27:09the upside down's coming

00:27:11maybe the rest of the world

00:27:12will finally believe

00:27:13or at least

00:27:14understand

00:27:16that's pretty nuts

00:27:17oh boy

00:27:19crazy crazy stuff

00:27:21in albuquerque

00:27:27i guess you're just like

00:27:31no we're making use of the credits

00:27:33yeah

00:27:33they don't want you to realize it's over

00:27:37and then cancel your subscription

00:27:38until a part five comes out

00:27:40one thing's for sure

00:27:42this season certainly isn't repetitive

00:27:43no

00:27:45i love that

00:27:46i love how it ended

00:27:46i really love how it ended

00:27:48i prefer that

00:27:49yeah

00:27:49no yeah yeah

00:27:51this was a tour de force

00:27:52at least here in this moment

00:27:54jeepers

00:27:56all right

00:27:57it's now 5 30 in the morning

00:28:00oh good

00:28:01hey we did it

00:28:02we did it

00:28:03this was like uh

00:28:04this was like a junior snyder cut

00:28:05between these two episodes

00:28:08we didn't shoot it at 3 in the morning

00:28:10yeah

00:28:10we started at a more reasonable time

00:28:12yeah

00:28:12that's great

00:28:13i'm wide awake

00:28:13no hey

00:28:14that's what invigorating stories will do

00:28:16that was awesome

00:28:17i don't really care

00:28:18it's 5 30

00:28:19yeah that was awesome

00:28:20i will in a couple hours

00:28:21but not now

00:28:22all right

00:28:25god

00:28:25now let's give the most concise

00:28:29thorough review

00:28:30possible

00:28:31yes

00:28:32let's

00:28:32let's leave no stone

00:28:34let's knock it out of the part

00:28:36let's do a review

00:28:37as long as the episode

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00:29:58wow

00:29:59here we are

00:29:59okay

00:30:00well

00:30:00to be totally transparent

00:30:01with you guys

00:30:02gonna need a slight refresh my mind

00:30:04as we're doing this

00:30:04because

00:30:05what ended up happening

00:30:06was we started shooting this

00:30:08at midnight

00:30:08it's not 7 in the morning

00:30:09for us

00:30:09because

00:30:10even though we finished at 530

00:30:12because

00:30:13we send footage to

00:30:15to prepper to help edit

00:30:16and then when they got a cut

00:30:17done

00:30:18I review it

00:30:19give notes

00:30:19then they adjust it

00:30:21and then

00:30:21they turn it around

00:30:22so fast

00:30:23this is a promo for prepper

00:30:24right now

00:30:24because

00:30:25wow

00:30:25they really delivered

00:30:27this time around

00:30:27and then I was like

00:30:29oh okay

00:30:29I need to like prep this video now

00:30:31and make the thumbnails

00:30:32and then get that one up

00:30:33and then an hour and a half went by

00:30:34now

00:30:34now I'm gonna talk about part two

00:30:35when I just saw

00:30:37we've watched like so much footage

00:30:38of part one

00:30:39but my mind's all gonna come back to me

00:30:41in just like a split second here

00:30:43because

00:30:43this was great

00:30:45this was epic

00:30:46it was so

00:30:47transportive

00:30:49you know

00:30:50I think it is a testament

00:30:51you know

00:30:51it's the kind of weird life

00:30:53that

00:30:54John and I

00:30:55live with doing this

00:30:57with reacting to stuff

00:30:58you know

00:30:59and it's like

00:30:59we want to give good reviews

00:31:00and all that

00:31:01but you know

00:31:01when you're filming stuff

00:31:02at this hour

00:31:03it's important that we remain engaged

00:31:04and we can really just

00:31:05immerse ourselves in it

00:31:06and really just feel

00:31:07what's going on

00:31:08and sometimes

00:31:10when it's like

00:31:10three in the morning

00:31:11you're not really gonna be

00:31:12in the mood

00:31:13to have a camera pointed at you

00:31:14but this was so

00:31:15incredibly immersive

00:31:16that the time went by so fast

00:31:18and

00:31:19I think that's such a testament

00:31:20to how strong this is

00:31:22because this was beautiful

00:31:23and

00:31:24the last like

00:31:2530 minutes

00:31:26I was just kind of

00:31:26left in like shock

00:31:27you know

00:31:28I think about

00:31:29I'm sure for a lot of people

00:31:30they were just left in

00:31:32insane amount of tears

00:31:33and

00:31:34I've noticed that

00:31:35just with Stranger Things alone

00:31:37from my rewatch

00:31:39of the first three seasons

00:31:40I remember

00:31:41my rewatch of the first three

00:31:43getting like

00:31:44increasingly more emotional

00:31:46and then I ever had been

00:31:48on my first go around

00:31:49and

00:31:51like

00:31:51like with Eddie

00:31:52for example

00:31:53like this Eddie

00:31:54Eddie death scene

00:31:55and

00:31:55just everything that was

00:31:56happening at the end

00:31:57with Max and all that

00:31:57I was just kind of like

00:31:58wow this is really

00:31:59going down a bleaker route

00:32:01than I expected

00:32:02and it's the

00:32:02Hawkins is now being exposed

00:32:04like there's no denying

00:32:05the truth now

00:32:06and my

00:32:06my mind was just so

00:32:08captivated

00:32:09and my

00:32:10my heart was just like

00:32:11I don't know how to explain

00:32:13my emotion on it

00:32:14my heart was like

00:32:15not

00:32:16really

00:32:17um

00:32:18I was moved

00:32:19but so stilted

00:32:20at the same time

00:32:21because this is so

00:32:22such a like

00:32:23so different

00:32:24you know

00:32:24because normally

00:32:25on Stranger Things

00:32:26how it ends

00:32:26is

00:32:27they win

00:32:29they save the day

00:32:30and then they have

00:32:31a cliffhanger

00:32:31for the next season

00:32:33showing that

00:32:34nope

00:32:34the upside down

00:32:36still has some

00:32:37tricks up its sleeve

00:32:38that's usually the ending

00:32:40of them

00:32:40but it's usually

00:32:41a happier note

00:32:42that it ends on

00:32:44where this ending

00:32:44on a more melancholic

00:32:45more bittersweet note

00:32:46I mean granted

00:32:47they tend to have that

00:32:49especially Stranger Things 3

00:32:50but it was still a victory

00:32:51ultimately for them

00:32:52and in here

00:32:53this is

00:32:54like something

00:32:55it's such a gray

00:32:56where

00:32:57you know

00:32:58like last season

00:32:59they won

00:32:59but they lost

00:33:00Hopper

00:33:01and

00:33:02you know

00:33:02Billy died

00:33:03but Billy was also

00:33:04like the villain

00:33:04of that season

00:33:05it was a total asshole

00:33:06as established by

00:33:07in this episode

00:33:08and

00:33:09here

00:33:10it's such a mixture

00:33:12of like

00:33:13there's a lot of

00:33:14terrible things

00:33:15that this is ending on

00:33:17and some victories

00:33:19you know

00:33:20you know

00:33:21yeah yeah yeah

00:33:22there's

00:33:22it's funny

00:33:23it is a very bittersweet

00:33:25and a very heart heavy

00:33:26and a very hard

00:33:27finale

00:33:28and I think

00:33:29there's a benefit

00:33:30I mean it seems like

00:33:30they've always known

00:33:31that

00:33:31I mean since the show

00:33:33started

00:33:33it was a runaway hit

00:33:34so they

00:33:34they probably knew

00:33:35they had carte blanche

00:33:36to continue

00:33:37however they please

00:33:38but there's also

00:33:38something about this season

00:33:39where

00:33:40especially with like

00:33:41the talk

00:33:41among fans

00:33:43as well as the cast

00:33:44of people being like

00:33:45this cast

00:33:46has gotten huge

00:33:46like there's gotta be

00:33:47some like heavy

00:33:49hefty stakes

00:33:50and we've gotta

00:33:50either lose

00:33:51somebody

00:33:52or something

00:33:53along the way

00:33:54and I think

00:33:55that they met

00:33:55that

00:33:56pretty conscientiously

00:33:59here

00:34:00because yeah

00:34:00like there

00:34:01if you look at the math

00:34:03it's like you know

00:34:04we get one major character

00:34:05death

00:34:05and one major character

00:34:07well two

00:34:08if you count Brenner

00:34:09last episode

00:34:09but one major character

00:34:10death for this finale

00:34:11and one major character

00:34:12marring incapacitation

00:34:14etc

00:34:15in Max

00:34:15and I feel like

00:34:17those two things

00:34:18are like

00:34:18it's almost worse

00:34:19than a death

00:34:20what happens to Max

00:34:20because they bring you up

00:34:21to that point of tension

00:34:23where you're like

00:34:23oh my god

00:34:24he's actually gonna do

00:34:25it's like when you see her

00:34:26lift up off the ground

00:34:27I think even there's

00:34:28that moment where you're like

00:34:29no no no

00:34:29this could be fine

00:34:30but then when her limbs

00:34:32start snapping

00:34:32you're like

00:34:33even if they bring her

00:34:34back from this

00:34:35like this is gonna be rough

00:34:36and then yeah

00:34:37the whole back and forth

00:34:39with Eleven

00:34:40and losing her

00:34:41and you know

00:34:42Lucas believing

00:34:43he's actually said goodbye

00:34:44and then Eleven

00:34:45being able to bring her back

00:34:47but it's not

00:34:47the full salvation

00:34:48we're hoping for

00:34:49like I think they

00:34:50they did really nicely

00:34:51to create these

00:34:52back and forth moments

00:34:53of oh no there's hope

00:34:54oh but it's not quite

00:34:56the payoff I was expecting

00:34:57it's not quite the relief

00:34:58I was hoping for

00:34:59there's a chance for Max

00:35:01but I mean we leave off

00:35:02on a note where it's like

00:35:03man but she's in a coma

00:35:05for now

00:35:05and it might not be enough

00:35:07like you know

00:35:08Eleven is able to prolong

00:35:09her life here

00:35:10but she could slip away

00:35:12you know

00:35:12or I doubt that will be the case

00:35:14I think she will come back

00:35:15ultimately

00:35:16but they've at least

00:35:17maneuvered it dramatically

00:35:18into a position

00:35:19where I'm like

00:35:19yeah the toll

00:35:20of whatever victories

00:35:22in this episode

00:35:23was like

00:35:24fought for tooth and nail

00:35:26and yeah

00:35:27the victory

00:35:28clearly doesn't outweigh

00:35:30the distance

00:35:31still left to run

00:35:32yeah

00:35:33and that's yeah

00:35:34I think there's

00:35:34there's something about that

00:35:35where it's like

00:35:36you see there's so many

00:35:37wonderful reunions

00:35:38by the end

00:35:39and there's so many

00:35:39great cathartic

00:35:41tears to shed

00:35:43and there are so many

00:35:44great victories

00:35:45but it's like

00:35:46you can barely

00:35:47bask in them

00:35:48like it doesn't have

00:35:49that note of like

00:35:51the characters

00:35:52for all intents and purposes

00:35:53believe that things

00:35:54are good and fine

00:35:55and you know

00:35:56they're gonna take

00:35:56a vacation from terror

00:35:58for a couple of months

00:35:59until the next season

00:36:00starts

00:36:00whereas this is

00:36:01yeah there are

00:36:02some of those victories

00:36:03but everyone

00:36:04including us

00:36:05the characters

00:36:06everyone's like

00:36:06no no no

00:36:07but things are still

00:36:08arguably worse than ever

00:36:10yeah I mean

00:36:11the cliffhanger here

00:36:12is that

00:36:12something is gonna

00:36:13keep going on

00:36:15it's not gonna be

00:36:16the same thing

00:36:16where like

00:36:17they take a vacation

00:36:18yeah

00:36:18and bam

00:36:19where you know

00:36:20oh a new

00:36:20a new thing

00:36:21is now happening

00:36:22it's gonna be

00:36:24a continuation

00:36:24it's a different

00:36:25cliffhanger to end off on

00:36:26I think it just

00:36:27kind of hits me

00:36:28hit me right now

00:36:29of what happens

00:36:30with me with

00:36:31shows

00:36:32especially shows

00:36:33more than movies

00:36:35because of

00:36:36the committed

00:36:37journey of a character

00:36:38yeah

00:36:39is what happens

00:36:41is

00:36:41that I think

00:36:43that feeling

00:36:43I was looking for

00:36:44is shock

00:36:44because I

00:36:45I'm grieving

00:36:47and my

00:36:48natural reaction

00:36:49to a death

00:36:51thing

00:36:52like I almost

00:36:52got word today

00:36:53about a pet

00:36:53of mine

00:36:54like it's not

00:36:55the same scale

00:36:56it's actually

00:36:56worse real life

00:36:57but

00:36:58a pet of mine

00:37:01was like

00:37:01a family pet

00:37:03was like

00:37:03I thought it died

00:37:04and my first reaction

00:37:05was just that feeling

00:37:06I had right now

00:37:07just shock

00:37:07and so like

00:37:09when I'm seeing Max there

00:37:10like I don't go to tears

00:37:11when I go around

00:37:13I think

00:37:13I started bargaining

00:37:14in my head

00:37:15I started going

00:37:16like

00:37:16well maybe Max

00:37:18is like

00:37:18you know

00:37:19going to come back

00:37:19with superpowers

00:37:20I started saying shit

00:37:21in my own head

00:37:22and

00:37:22and even with Eddie

00:37:24I was like

00:37:25okay he's bleeding

00:37:25but he might be fine

00:37:26though

00:37:26he might just be

00:37:27still stuck there

00:37:28and he'll be okay

00:37:28like my mind

00:37:29just starts

00:37:29going there

00:37:31instantly

00:37:32you know

00:37:33I'm more likely

00:37:34to like get

00:37:34choked up at

00:37:35like Mike's speech

00:37:37about you know

00:37:37love and

00:37:38fighting for that

00:37:40you know

00:37:40that's why I think

00:37:41that running up the hill

00:37:42episode 4 of this season

00:37:44was so powerful

00:37:44and so memorable

00:37:47for people

00:37:47especially for me

00:37:48like that stuff

00:37:49is the thing

00:37:49that I'm like

00:37:50am I grieving

00:37:50in that moment

00:37:51you know

00:37:52so I have this

00:37:52like natural

00:37:53like defense mechanism

00:37:55that's kind of

00:37:55what comes up

00:37:57in me

00:37:57it's fascinating

00:37:58to see

00:37:59that's kind of

00:37:59what happened

00:37:59with my experience

00:38:00here

00:38:00although with

00:38:01the Eddie death

00:38:01it's a powerful

00:38:04death

00:38:05I mean

00:38:05because obviously

00:38:06it was setting up

00:38:07from even volume 1

00:38:08ending that

00:38:09he's going to do

00:38:09something heroic

00:38:10like it was just

00:38:10so set up

00:38:12and they even

00:38:12reestablish it

00:38:13in this episode

00:38:14he's going to do

00:38:15something heroic

00:38:15to me

00:38:17I did go

00:38:19man what

00:38:20why do they always

00:38:20just

00:38:21why do they kill off

00:38:22like

00:38:22the

00:38:23the new

00:38:25reoccurring

00:38:26Bob

00:38:27and then

00:38:28Alexi

00:38:30Alexi

00:38:31yeah

00:38:31I mean

00:38:32Billy got two seasons

00:38:33so he doesn't count quite

00:38:34but

00:38:35yeah

00:38:35that's true

00:38:36that's true

00:38:37I mean

00:38:37I like how they handled

00:38:38Papa's death

00:38:39but even Papa's

00:38:40a character like

00:38:41he's dead

00:38:42it's not the same

00:38:43thing

00:38:43but it's kind of

00:38:45interesting that like

00:38:46season 3 gave you

00:38:47that complexity

00:38:48with

00:38:49Max and Billy

00:38:50who's the villain

00:38:52and then here you have

00:38:53Papa and Eleven

00:38:54and Papa's a villain

00:38:55so to

00:38:56have

00:38:57a kind of correlation

00:38:58especially when you see

00:38:59this friendship that forms

00:39:00between Max and Eleven

00:39:01it's fascinating stuff

00:39:04I

00:39:04admittedly

00:39:06like I know

00:39:07you very much are

00:39:08and

00:39:09seems like most people

00:39:10are

00:39:11I've always

00:39:12I've really liked

00:39:13Eddie a lot

00:39:13there's

00:39:15there's a lot

00:39:16everyone I talk to

00:39:17like loves

00:39:18Eddie

00:39:18and I don't

00:39:20dislike Eddie

00:39:20one iota

00:39:21there's not one part of me

00:39:22that has a single

00:39:23like

00:39:24gripe or issue

00:39:26or criticism

00:39:26about him

00:39:27for some reason

00:39:27I've just never been

00:39:28as

00:39:29emotionally attached

00:39:31to that character

00:39:32as much as

00:39:33you guys probably are

00:39:35as much as John

00:39:35as much as everyone else

00:39:36I know

00:39:37is

00:39:37I'm kind of the odd

00:39:38one out like

00:39:39I don't know

00:39:40I just don't quite love him

00:39:41I just don't have that

00:39:43that's

00:39:44strong of an attachment

00:39:46I was like more

00:39:46endeared to Bob

00:39:47than I was to Eddie

00:39:48and

00:39:49I did love Bob

00:39:50yeah

00:39:51but that was another thing too

00:39:52where I got really choked up

00:39:53on my rewatch

00:39:54but here with

00:39:56and so I'm

00:39:56I will rewatch this

00:39:58especially before

00:39:59volume season five

00:40:00comes out

00:40:01I'm going to rewatch it

00:40:02and I am curious to see

00:40:03if I'm like

00:40:04oh yeah no

00:40:04I'm definitely more attached

00:40:05this time

00:40:06but as far as his death goes

00:40:07that was

00:40:08that was very

00:40:09that was beautifully done

00:40:11and I think

00:40:11the fact that

00:40:13I don't

00:40:14who's the actor

00:40:15who plays Dustin

00:40:15so good

00:40:16oh

00:40:17Gaten Matarazzo

00:40:18so good

00:40:18so amazing

00:40:19and I love that

00:40:20they gave

00:40:20they trusted in their actors

00:40:22who have not only

00:40:22physically grown

00:40:23but grown as actors

00:40:25and that

00:40:25they allowed them

00:40:26to show that

00:40:27you got that with Dustin

00:40:28where

00:40:29you know

00:40:30like those are real tears

00:40:31you know

00:40:31oh that was heartbreaking

00:40:33lip quiver

00:40:33you know that's real

00:40:34oh my god

00:40:37you know what

00:40:38what just hit me now too

00:40:39is so many of those moments

00:40:40are so desolate

00:40:41and lonely

00:40:42it's like

00:40:42with Dustin and Eddie

00:40:44they're pretty much alone

00:40:46and I love

00:40:46the monologue

00:40:47he gives to his uncle

00:40:49at the end

00:40:50and he doesn't even

00:40:52speak back to him

00:40:53but it's just that thing

00:40:54of like

00:40:54only the two of us

00:40:55basically know

00:40:56like the rest of their friends

00:40:57know

00:40:57but only Dustin

00:40:58was there

00:40:59for this incredibly

00:41:00lonely act of valiance

00:41:02and I feel like

00:41:03there's a lot of that

00:41:04throughout the episode

00:41:05with the way

00:41:05everyone is divided

00:41:07and I think that

00:41:07even though that was

00:41:08brought on

00:41:09partly by real world

00:41:10constraints

00:41:10they made a lot

00:41:11out of it ultimately

00:41:12especially with Eleven

00:41:14being able to traverse

00:41:15the gap

00:41:16and to you know

00:41:17join them

00:41:17you know

00:41:18in the mindscape

00:41:19and but that even too

00:41:21just like Lucas

00:41:22and Max alone

00:41:23not even knowing

00:41:24Eleven is there

00:41:25and then she's

00:41:26kind of alone

00:41:27because she can't

00:41:28directly communicate

00:41:29to either of them

00:41:29either

00:41:30sort of Max

00:41:31but still

00:41:32like there's

00:41:33yeah so much

00:41:34going wrong

00:41:36and so much

00:41:36that's like

00:41:37so lonely

00:41:37and desperate

00:41:38about all these

00:41:39situations

00:41:39there's so much

00:41:40isolation

00:41:41well Caleb

00:41:42McLaughlin

00:41:43is Lucas

00:41:44yeah

00:41:44even him too

00:41:48like his

00:41:48I didn't really

00:41:49feel like he

00:41:50there's no insult

00:41:52or slight towards him

00:41:53I didn't

00:41:54there's just

00:41:54there wasn't much

00:41:55for me

00:41:56in the

00:41:57prior to the

00:41:58final episode

00:41:58I think that's

00:42:00what they really

00:42:00got down

00:42:01in this one

00:42:02more than

00:42:02anything else

00:42:03that I think

00:42:03is so important

00:42:04was not only

00:42:05stakes and

00:42:05revelations

00:42:06or reveals

00:42:07but they

00:42:09really gave

00:42:10most

00:42:12I would say

00:42:13can't really think

00:42:14of anyone

00:42:14off the top

00:42:14of my head

00:42:14where I'm like

00:42:15nah

00:42:15they kind of

00:42:16could have done

00:42:16more

00:42:17but most

00:42:18definitely got

00:42:19a true scene

00:42:21to shine

00:42:21and

00:42:23and paid off

00:42:23somehow

00:42:24and Lucas

00:42:25you know

00:42:26especially to have

00:42:27that level

00:42:28like you were

00:42:28saying

00:42:28desperation

00:42:29and heartbreak

00:42:30like he's

00:42:31a changed

00:42:32person

00:42:32and a different

00:42:33human being

00:42:34by the

00:42:36final scene

00:42:36that he has

00:42:37here

00:42:37like he's

00:42:38broken

00:42:38he's shattered

00:42:39and

00:42:40you know

00:42:42he's like

00:42:42becoming a man

00:42:43praying to God

00:42:44in a way

00:42:44you know

00:42:45and I

00:42:45I think he did

00:42:47such an incredible

00:42:47job in this

00:42:48episode

00:42:49like he brought

00:42:50his A-game

00:42:50so did the

00:42:51actor plays

00:42:52Dustin

00:42:52they were

00:42:53they were all

00:42:53so excellent

00:42:54I think this

00:42:55episode really

00:42:56excelled

00:42:57at

00:42:58because halfway

00:43:00I think it's

00:43:01around the

00:43:01halfway point

00:43:02when you know

00:43:03Eleven shows up

00:43:04to help

00:43:05fight Vecna

00:43:06and then Vecna

00:43:07brings Eleven

00:43:08and Max

00:43:09to his

00:43:09red

00:43:10Creel

00:43:11outdoorsy

00:43:12spot

00:43:13the four

00:43:14points

00:43:15four chime

00:43:15points

00:43:15yeah

00:43:16and it was

00:43:18there I was

00:43:18going like

00:43:19wow

00:43:19they're really

00:43:20selling me

00:43:21that

00:43:21you know

00:43:22Vecna's

00:43:22gonna win

00:43:23wow

00:43:23they're really

00:43:24selling me

00:43:24on this

00:43:25but then

00:43:26you know

00:43:26I'm like

00:43:26but

00:43:27come on

00:43:28man

00:43:28still got

00:43:29like an

00:43:29hour left

00:43:29they're probably

00:43:30gonna win

00:43:31you know

00:43:31something

00:43:32something's

00:43:32gonna

00:43:32happen

00:43:33right

00:43:34something

00:43:34always

00:43:35comes along

00:43:35to save

00:43:36the two

00:43:36Simpson

00:43:36children

00:43:37but then

00:43:38when Eleven

00:43:39you know

00:43:40got the upper

00:43:41hand on him

00:43:42and it was

00:43:42exciting

00:43:43what I

00:43:44what I loved

00:43:46is Vecna's

00:43:47confidence

00:43:47just never

00:43:48swayed

00:43:49he was so

00:43:51assured

00:43:51all the

00:43:52time

00:43:53like

00:43:53all the

00:43:54time

00:43:54even when

00:43:55he's like

00:43:55looking

00:43:55pushed up

00:43:56against the

00:43:56wall

00:43:57he's like

00:43:59you've already

00:43:59lost

00:44:00come at me

00:44:02bro

00:44:02I love that

00:44:04I absolutely

00:44:05I really love

00:44:05that

00:44:06and you gotta

00:44:06pull Michael

00:44:07Myers

00:44:07didn't he

00:44:08run downstairs

00:44:09not there

00:44:09yeah

00:44:09so funny

00:44:10yeah

00:44:12oh my god

00:44:13totally

00:44:13and I think

00:44:16what's

00:44:17fascinating

00:44:18is now that

00:44:19you know

00:44:19Vecna's

00:44:20true identity

00:44:21has been

00:44:21revealed

00:44:22I feel like

00:44:24this is probably

00:44:25purposeful

00:44:26is

00:44:27they

00:44:28allowed

00:44:29whoever

00:44:30I don't know

00:44:30the actor's name

00:44:31whoever plays

00:44:32Henry Vecna

00:44:33won

00:44:33Jamie Campbell

00:44:34Bauer

00:44:34you think

00:44:36like you think

00:44:37I know you know

00:44:37there's three names

00:44:38I could have easily

00:44:39gotten one wrong

00:44:40I know you know

00:44:41I know there's a

00:44:42Bauer in there

00:44:42there's specialty

00:44:43that name

00:44:44name memory

00:44:45it's a great

00:44:46quality to have

00:44:47I feel like

00:44:50they let him

00:44:51play Vecna

00:44:53more human

00:44:54in both of

00:44:55these episodes

00:44:56like his body

00:44:57language

00:44:58the way he did

00:44:58his dialogue

00:44:59whereas before

00:45:00he was kind of

00:45:02just a presence

00:45:02just a monster

00:45:03very stoic

00:45:05you know

00:45:06just like

00:45:07the demonic

00:45:08entity that

00:45:09comes to claim

00:45:10a soul

00:45:10but here

00:45:12in both

00:45:13these episodes

00:45:14you're like

00:45:15oh this is

00:45:15I see the

00:45:16I see the

00:45:17Henry in there

00:45:18now

00:45:18and I think

00:45:19both episodes

00:45:20let that happen

00:45:21yeah he goes

00:45:22from being a

00:45:22boogeyman

00:45:23to being

00:45:23no that's

00:45:24a specific

00:45:24person

00:45:25that's a

00:45:26burnt body

00:45:26yeah that's

00:45:27a burnt up

00:45:28body

00:45:28that's probably

00:45:29had even more

00:45:30craziness done

00:45:31to it in the

00:45:31time that we

00:45:32haven't observed

00:45:33his upside down

00:45:34journey

00:45:34like yeah

00:45:35and then you

00:45:35feel the kind

00:45:36of agelessness

00:45:37that he has

00:45:38transcended into

00:45:39it's a great

00:45:40performance and I

00:45:41love the way

00:45:41that they

00:45:42I mean

00:45:42from what I've

00:45:43heard

00:45:44what the Duffer

00:45:45Brothers have

00:45:45said a lot

00:45:46of that effect

00:45:47is practical

00:45:47and I thought

00:45:48they did a

00:45:48really great

00:45:49job of

00:45:50marrying all

00:45:51three elements

00:45:52of like that's

00:45:53clearly a lot of

00:45:54silicone and

00:45:54makeup on top

00:45:55of him and

00:45:56there's clearly

00:45:56CGI enhancing

00:45:57that but

00:45:58especially you

00:45:58point out during

00:45:59the reactions

00:45:59like this is

00:46:00the most we've

00:46:01ever kind of

00:46:02seen the actor

00:46:03in the character

00:46:05and I think that

00:46:06was a beautiful

00:46:07kind of way to

00:46:08put that together

00:46:09as sort of

00:46:10Freddy Krueger

00:46:10and Resident Evil

00:46:11and different things

00:46:12you can kind of

00:46:13reference out of

00:46:14it it did start

00:46:15to feel yeah

00:46:16more like a

00:46:17even in that

00:46:18respect like not

00:46:19even just through

00:46:19the writing and

00:46:20everything but

00:46:20yeah through the

00:46:21combination of

00:46:22all that movie

00:46:23magic you know

00:46:24it really did

00:46:25feel like a

00:46:26particular person

00:46:28and that was

00:46:29what started to

00:46:29make me feel

00:46:30like this was

00:46:31kind of a

00:46:31different send

00:46:32off for a

00:46:33season because

00:46:34I was like

00:46:34they've gone

00:46:35out of their

00:46:35way to establish

00:46:36just how

00:46:37singular and

00:46:38important this

00:46:40entity of the

00:46:41Upside Down

00:46:41is in a lot

00:46:43of ways he

00:46:43kind of you

00:46:44know got

00:46:45there and

00:46:45and gave

00:46:46order to the

00:46:47whole thing

00:46:47in a perverse

00:46:48way and so

00:46:49even if we

00:46:51somehow vanquish

00:46:52him for now

00:46:53like it's not

00:46:54the end like

00:46:55it can't be the

00:46:56end like it's

00:46:56weird it's there

00:46:57are so many ways

00:46:59in which you can

00:46:59end these seasons

00:47:00and go okay

00:47:01there will still

00:47:01be more upside

00:47:02down hijinks to

00:47:04manage next season

00:47:05but for right now

00:47:06we vanquished

00:47:07whichever boss

00:47:08and I didn't get

00:47:08that feeling this

00:47:09time and I

00:47:10think again

00:47:12like this show

00:47:13over time

00:47:14from my viewing

00:47:15experience the

00:47:16first time

00:47:17especially it was

00:47:18sort of an

00:47:18increasing thing

00:47:19where each season

00:47:19I liked it a bit

00:47:20more and this

00:47:21has been

00:47:21well it took

00:47:22you I remember

00:47:23it took you

00:47:23some time to

00:47:24get through it

00:47:25yeah yeah yeah

00:47:25I had to restart

00:47:26the first season

00:47:27a couple times

00:47:27then I finally

00:47:28kind of yeah

00:47:29cut the wavelength

00:47:30and then just the

00:47:31further I got

00:47:32season two I

00:47:33liked even more

00:47:33season three

00:47:34liked even more

00:47:34season four I've

00:47:35been loving and

00:47:36I feel like

00:47:37again they've made

00:47:38it feel like

00:47:40something special

00:47:41both in that

00:47:43yeah I mean it's

00:47:44all the stuff that

00:47:44we love is back

00:47:45and there's all

00:47:46the easily latch

00:47:48on able elements

00:47:49but also I think

00:47:50they just really

00:47:50came with the

00:47:52characters and the

00:47:53writing in a way

00:47:54that feels like a

00:47:56passion project for

00:47:57everyone involved

00:47:58and I mean they

00:47:58said like Max

00:47:59Sadie Sink wrote

00:48:01the letter that she

00:48:02reads to Billy

00:48:03things like that

00:48:05I'm like I really

00:48:05feel like everyone

00:48:06even the Jamie

00:48:08Campbell Bauer

00:48:09like everyone

00:48:09seems like they

00:48:10they really brought

00:48:12a ton of like

00:48:13heart and soul

00:48:14to what this is

00:48:15and even characters

00:48:16who were underserved

00:48:17perhaps earlier on

00:48:19in the season or who

00:48:20weren't as focused on

00:48:21or who we would sit

00:48:22here and go it

00:48:22doesn't really seem

00:48:23like they're the

00:48:23most important part

00:48:24of this we kind of

00:48:25check back in just

00:48:26to make sure we

00:48:26don't forget them

00:48:27like everything by

00:48:28the end of this

00:48:29at least felt like

00:48:30it had a button or

00:48:31it had a moment to

00:48:31gleam and and

00:48:33everybody's emotional

00:48:34journey in some way

00:48:35kind of contributed

00:48:36to the greater

00:48:37whole well Mike

00:48:39Finn Wolfhardt I

00:48:42can confidently say

00:48:43now is not one of

00:48:45the leads he no he

00:48:47is a supporting

00:48:49character yeah and

00:48:51it's it's it's

00:48:52interesting because the

00:48:54show seemed to kind

00:48:55of go up in its way

00:48:56granted it worked and

00:48:57it was very effective

00:48:59and it moved me a lot

00:49:00so I I'm not gonna

00:49:02fault it it did seem

00:49:03like it was kind of

00:49:04going out of it be

00:49:05like here's why Mike's

00:49:06important it's the

00:49:08Xander thing it's like

00:49:09you're important because

00:49:10you're regular and you

00:49:11got a lot of heart

00:49:12buddy yeah keep us

00:49:13together while all of

00:49:14us specials are out

00:49:15doing special stuff and

00:49:17losing our minds yeah

00:49:18and like especially

00:49:20this and maybe it'll

00:49:21change in the following

00:49:22season but he's

00:49:23progressively it seems

00:49:24like they've

00:49:25progressively been

00:49:25finding less and

00:49:27less things to write

00:49:28for him to make him

00:49:28compelling and just as

00:49:30interesting as the rest

00:49:30of the cast and then

00:49:32here it wasn't it

00:49:34wasn't until the final

00:49:35episode where it was

00:49:36like all right okay

00:49:38cool Mike I like I

00:49:39like you a lot again

00:49:40hell yeah interesting to

00:49:42watch that because yeah

00:49:43I feel like in some

00:49:44ways in some ways I

00:49:46think it's cool because

00:49:47then you allow

00:49:48characters like you know

00:49:49you know talking with

00:49:50other people I've heard

00:49:51people say like oh it's

00:49:51cool that like Lucas

00:49:52gets to be an actual

00:49:54character with like a

00:49:55really well an arc that

00:49:57you can invest in and

00:49:58him and Max and all that

00:49:59stuff is really great

00:49:59this season and I feel

00:50:00like pushing characters

00:50:02like Mike to the

00:50:04background a little bit

00:50:05is natural over four

00:50:07or five seasons it's

00:50:08weird it's like I know

00:50:10people love Finn Wolfhard

00:50:12I very much enjoyed him

00:50:13over the show but it

00:50:14kind of feels natural the

00:50:15way that all these

00:50:16characters have kind of

00:50:17slid around even if

00:50:18there are parts where we

00:50:19go man Will just keeps

00:50:21getting the short end

00:50:21of this like Will even

00:50:23here it felt like they

00:50:24made something out of

00:50:25the fact that he's

00:50:26always kind of in the

00:50:27background yeah and

00:50:28separated from

00:50:29everybody and and it's

00:50:31things like that I

00:50:32think it's like they're

00:50:33able to use distance

00:50:34better perhaps than

00:50:37before in certain ways

00:50:39although it is

00:50:40interesting to see that

00:50:40that yeah it is almost

00:50:41decidedly so here that

00:50:43yeah like Mike is not

00:50:44the focal point really

00:50:46no not at all I mean

00:50:48that that whole it kind

00:50:50of seems like what I

00:50:51said about Mike could

00:50:52be applied to everyone

00:50:53on that plot line

00:50:54Jonathan definitely

00:50:57doesn't feel anywhere

00:50:58near it it's been that

00:50:59way since season three

00:51:00doesn't feel anywhere

00:51:01and a lot of people

00:51:02have speculated that it

00:51:03might have something to

00:51:03do with the act Charlie

00:51:04Heaton's personal life

00:51:05and him that whole that

00:51:09whole plot Argyle became

00:51:10more essential in this in

00:51:12this last couple episodes

00:51:13team Argyle boy I love

00:51:14the everything with the

00:51:16pizza shop just well it's

00:51:17great that was great and

00:51:19I'm glad they managed to

00:51:20really make that work

00:51:21because that could have

00:51:23been silly as hell and

00:51:24they somehow it was like

00:51:26it was such a funny thing

00:51:27to have start and the

00:51:29whole intercutting with

00:51:29him making the pizza but

00:51:31then you're like knees

00:51:32deep in the conflict and

00:51:33they're actually doing it

00:51:34and she's you know in the

00:51:35tub and you're just like I

00:51:36forgot all about pizza

00:51:37this feels totally serious

00:51:40where this was funny as

00:51:41heck a minute ago I

00:51:42enjoyed them I wasn't

00:51:44really enjoying it in the

00:51:46volume one but volume two

00:51:47everything about them in

00:51:48this volume was really good

00:51:50and I kind of it's

00:51:51interesting seeing how

00:51:52they end note with

00:51:53because season one ended

00:51:55with Nancy and Steve

00:51:58still together with

00:51:59Jonathan pining over her

00:52:00and her being like maybe

00:52:02I should have gone with

00:52:03Jonathan and then the

00:52:05season ends the complete

00:52:06opposite for her of

00:52:08there there's some tension

00:52:10with them and she's like

00:52:11maybe I should have gone

00:52:12to Steve and it did kind

00:52:16of Steve got two weeks

00:52:19express how he's already

00:52:21art yeah does that make

00:52:23sense he gets he got to

00:52:24completely actualize his

00:52:27arc yeah we didn't get to

00:52:28we didn't see necessarily

00:52:30how he art and even see

00:52:31him we don't see him art in

00:52:33this specific season but he

00:52:36gets to express how he's

00:52:38changed he becomes more

00:52:40mature and better at

00:52:41articulating his maturity as

00:52:43time goes on yeah yeah yeah I

00:52:45think they did a great job at

00:52:46that because it seemed like

00:52:47there's some stuff that was

00:52:48happening in between season

00:52:50three and four worth that a

00:52:51lot of that already took

00:52:52place that allowed him to do

00:52:53the decisions here unless I'm

00:52:56wrong you can tell me and and

00:52:58Robin getting a chance at love

00:53:01at the very end was very very

00:53:02sweet I saw a tweet somebody

00:53:04said like it's pride month and

00:53:05the Duffer brothers was taking

00:53:07it out on the gaze and it was

00:53:08just two still frames of one of

00:53:11Robin watching as the girl

00:53:14kisses the guy in the vet store

00:53:16and then Will as Eleven and

00:53:19Mike reunite but I appreciate

00:53:21it's funny it seems like like

00:53:24Robin and that girl are

00:53:25probably gonna get together or

00:53:27become good friends hopefully it

00:53:28certainly seemed like there was

00:53:30she's probably just bisexual or

00:53:31something but I appreciate too

00:53:33that as much as people are like

00:53:34just say it already with some of

00:53:35these like whose sexuality is

00:53:37what things I kind of like that

00:53:38they still leave them on like I

00:53:43thought the moment between it was

00:53:45funny there's the 80s in the

00:53:47Midwest like yeah we're gonna be

00:53:49like sweet yeah yeah oh you

00:53:52should have told us a long time

00:53:54ago yeah and I and I thought

00:53:55that they're the ones really kind

00:53:57of argument but they're the ones

00:53:59who go freaking Dungeons and

00:54:01Dragons a certain they're gonna be

00:54:04the ones who are like homosexuals

00:54:06though totally cool they're not

00:54:08in with the devil whatsoever but

00:54:11yeah that scene in the pizza shop

00:54:14again between Will and Jonathan I

00:54:16thought was really beautifully done

00:54:17and I thought that was a great a

00:54:19part of it felt like they were

00:54:21literally being like hey I know we

00:54:24haven't been as important lately and

00:54:26I know that we have been distant from

00:54:27the audience and us as characters

00:54:28but you know I feel like we should

00:54:30talk some more but but beyond that

00:54:32beyond like the weird meta layer I

00:54:35just love that that that little beat

00:54:37of like no matter what like it's the

00:54:40it's he says it without saying it I

00:54:42thought that was a really beautifully

00:54:44played scene because it still doesn't

00:54:45come right out and say it it could not

00:54:48be what we're all reading into but at

00:54:51the same time it was it was such a great

00:54:52brother moment which you don't see a

00:54:55lot of like I thought they've done as

00:54:57much as people bemoan wokeness they've

00:54:59done a nice job of going different ways

00:55:03with trope-ish relationships and

00:55:06elevating or pushing to the forefront

00:55:08certain characters who wouldn't

00:55:09normally be in a way that feels very

00:55:12natural because of the ensemble they

00:55:14have built and I think that's a really

00:55:15cool thing that they're able to do

00:55:17without it feeling like somebody's

00:55:19spreadsheet says they should add

00:55:21somebody of this or that you know

00:55:23disposition well season two they had a

00:55:26lot of Jonathan and and like that was a

00:55:29big like I love Jonathan in season one

00:55:33and two he's excellent absolutely like

00:55:35the Byers family was like the main

00:55:37characters of season one and and

00:55:41Jonathan was excellent a big part of him

00:55:43in season two was his his older brother

00:55:47and says the need to take care of him and

00:55:49and so to kind of remind us of that was

00:55:53awesome Sadie Sink oh boy brilliant I

00:55:57I love when she in order to get to

00:55:59Beckna she has to she has to get to a

00:56:02place of truth and honesty and not just

00:56:04taunt him out allure him out with you

00:56:09know and trying to antagonize him it's

00:56:11good for that it's good for both

00:56:13characters that they chose that yeah

00:56:15especially because it's it was such a

00:56:18fascinating dichotomy to see how she

00:56:22actually kind of benefited from it I

00:56:25gotta come to the point of truth about

00:56:28her emotions when it comes back to

00:56:30something I think we were talking

00:56:31about during the first half which was

00:56:33like she's she says all those you know

00:56:35beautiful things about Billy in that

00:56:37letter and everything but what about the

00:56:40other side of that where he did make

00:56:42your life a living hell most of the time

00:56:44and I love that they brought it back to

00:56:46that and that yeah it's like you have

00:56:48this plan and you're gearing up and

00:56:50you're like oh here we go but no yeah

00:56:52you you really do have to sacrifice

00:56:54something and to put yourself in a

00:56:56truly vulnerable position to be that

00:57:00bait a thousand percent yeah and just

00:57:03the way she acts everything is

00:57:06beautiful like every beat and even

00:57:09including you know like the like you

00:57:10were saying like the like I jitters and

00:57:13all like the sci-fi shit like is just so

00:57:15natural she's one of the strongest

00:57:17actors on the show a hundred percent

00:57:19she's she's one of the absolute best

00:57:21actors yeah and that's why I was like

00:57:24you can't lose backs yeah no I mean I

00:57:27was just in shock when she was like in

00:57:29Lucas's arms and he was crying and and

00:57:32then her she couldn't see I was like oh

00:57:33my god are they really doing this right

00:57:35now yeah I was more like my mind starts

00:57:38going to other places I'm like with the

00:57:40Netflix do this I mean would they want to

00:57:42do this I mean she's especially with how

00:57:45freak like Max has always seemed to be

00:57:48really liked I'm talking like general

00:57:50people I know love her I think the love

00:57:53for her just had this massive uptick

00:57:57from volume one it just it went so much

00:58:01higher up once people saw episode four

00:58:03was over yeah no I mean it just skyrocketed

00:58:07for her and you know and she's had kind

00:58:09of a fascinating as the actress she's had

00:58:11an interesting journey to come into season

00:58:15two when you're gonna be part of the main

00:58:18kids when the main kids was stranger

00:58:20things like that was stranger things

00:58:22where the kids the like Mike Lucas Dustin

00:58:26will that was the image and then now you're

00:58:31joining them you're gonna be part of the group

00:58:33now get in there and that's a lot to live

00:58:35up to it's a lot of pressure I'd imagine

00:58:37and and I think she kind of outshines all

00:58:41then to be totally honest it's funny yeah I

00:58:43mean because it's so I mean and and hey

00:58:45great performances Millie Bobby Brown is

00:58:48great but Dustin's were a hard one for

00:58:50really it's got Dustin edited kids it's

00:58:53Dustin 11 is a whole separate category

00:58:55Dustin yeah and um and Max are my

00:58:58favorites of the kids oh for sure and but

00:59:00I feel like yeah it used to be that the

00:59:02kid conversation was like everyone loves

00:59:04Finn Wolf hard but Millie Bobby Brown is

00:59:06just like a terrific actress which she is

00:59:08not gonna take anything away from that

00:59:10but I feel like as of this season the

00:59:12conversation shifted a little bit to

00:59:14like Sadie Sink is so friggin good yeah

00:59:16and and deservedly so because I mean

00:59:18she's always been great on the show and

00:59:20even you know just watching little

00:59:21flashback snippets you're like oh wow

00:59:23like how far we have come and and how

00:59:25interesting it has been to watch these

00:59:27actors grow on screen yeah but yeah like

00:59:31she does feel like she's always been part

00:59:35of the group even though she is the

00:59:37newer addition to the I like the I mean

00:59:40Millie Bobby Brown's just always been

00:59:43like such a standout since since day one

00:59:47of this show she's been absolutely

00:59:49phenomenal if any character has grown the

00:59:53most it's her and here she is like

00:59:58season three she's like learning to be a

00:59:59kid it didn't really bring back some of

01:00:01the other stuff I mean she's back in the

01:00:03hiding now right like she has to be she

01:00:05has to be hidden again she's exposed she

01:00:08can't just go back to high school and

01:00:09kill Angela you know season five like

01:00:12she's not destined for normality

01:00:14whatsoever but yeah you know her

01:00:18learning to embrace her position as some

01:00:21as the one who will need to be a hero I

01:00:23like the position they leave her in as

01:00:25someone who feels the loss at what they

01:00:27did you know and I'm like well if you're

01:00:29painting her as a superhero that's a great

01:00:32way to paint her as a superhero not as

01:00:34Miss Invincible who shows up at the end of

01:00:37every season to hold her hand up and save

01:00:39the day you know so I really really liked

01:00:43how it's it's they've created a a personal

01:00:47entanglement with her and the main

01:00:49antagonist and her relation to the upside

01:00:53down as she actually didn't create the

01:00:55upside down but she is the you know the the

01:00:58villain blame it gives responsibility bestows

01:01:01it on her she had a hand the creation get

01:01:03here yeah and I think like my bar round

01:01:07just fucking kills it like she she's so

01:01:10unbelievably believable I know and and with

01:01:15enough time and distance in in some ways

01:01:18before revisiting it's like oh you know you

01:01:20you lose some of the finer points but but

01:01:23then you jump back in I don't know there's

01:01:25just something about that like you know 11 has a

01:01:27very specific like she doesn't talk a lot she

01:01:29has a very specific syntax and cadence is the

01:01:32most she's talked though yeah it is but it

01:01:35always is in that void like she's there's just

01:01:38something yeah it's like the way she realizes

01:01:41the character and the little ticks and

01:01:43mannerisms are so consistent and so well

01:01:46trodden and again it's like it's such an

01:01:49outlandish character to have to bring to

01:01:50life you know especially a character who

01:01:53doesn't have a lot of foundational nurture

01:01:55based on anything normal and so yeah just

01:01:59like the ways in which all those little

01:02:01human emotions that you know she's still

01:02:03learning how to deal with and articulate

01:02:05like that all feels so authentic but then

01:02:07yeah the the parts in which she is in her

01:02:10element in such outlandish circumstances

01:02:12like it's such a fully realized character

01:02:17and and the way she's built it since she was

01:02:20you know a kid is is again fascinating to

01:02:24watch and and every season it still feels

01:02:27like a consistent through line like i never

01:02:29feel like there's something that was

01:02:30missing or there was like a chunk out of

01:02:32like why is she acting like this now well i

01:02:33think what she brings that's really unique

01:02:36to beyond beyond just the actual acting

01:02:39parts and scenes and stuff is she she has

01:02:44such a great grasp on physicality i don't

01:02:48know quite how to although try to articulate

01:02:50it um she has a like when she she brings

01:02:56something to the table when she is moving

01:02:58something with her mind and her her hand is

01:03:00up in the air and she understands the emotion

01:03:03per each individual scene of what physical

01:03:08toll is taking on her body in that moment

01:03:12whether it's on what her strength level is

01:03:15of 11 in each scene you know she could show

01:03:18up confident and it doesn't look hard sometimes

01:03:21it could be really hard and when she's like

01:03:23trapped when doing when vexnus has her in the

01:03:26in the tangled vines you know and or when she

01:03:29is like trying to find the strength when mike's

01:03:31you know echoing like you're a superhero i love

01:03:34you there is this like pain and struggle that

01:03:40she brings that feels like so believable that

01:03:45that's i think a big part why you root for her

01:03:47in those action moments and why they're so

01:03:51cheerworthy too because you could feel this

01:03:55person trying to triumph over something that

01:03:59is harsh on them on them well it's almost as if

01:04:03every time she has to do that she's directly

01:04:05running through the traumas that led her i think

01:04:08that's been a great benefit since the start

01:04:11of the show is the fact that as awesome as

01:04:12her power is it's always been this sort of

01:04:15difficult byproduct of a very traumatic

01:04:17experiment well that's what's cool when she

01:04:20does like when she first shows up in in uh

01:04:22in max's mind and she's controlling she she

01:04:26has in fact a levitated it's not hurting

01:04:28it doesn't look like it's a physical pain like

01:04:30she's got a nosebleed but it's not like

01:04:31tough used to that now yeah yeah yeah yeah well

01:04:34and even even to just like the the physical

01:04:36articulation and as seen as in the previous

01:04:39episode with the helicopter it's like

01:04:41there you know it literally hit me part way

01:04:44through i was like okay so it's not the star

01:04:46wars like you know not ray yeah it really

01:04:49does there's even just in the body language of

01:04:53how she holds her hand like it's a it's a

01:04:54delicate thing almost it's you can just sort

01:04:56of feel the energy but that doesn't have to

01:04:59be this like but sometimes it is that

01:05:01but when it does get to that point yeah it's

01:05:04like there are these like subtle articulations

01:05:07and these subtle you know postures and

01:05:09motions but you notice those subtle

01:05:13differences when it does become like the i

01:05:16guess that's it is like they not every time

01:05:18it happens is the most intense time so

01:05:20they but that's what i mean by she has a

01:05:22great understanding of where her character

01:05:24is at in the moment yeah of her power set

01:05:27and i and that and that's such a defining

01:05:29part of her character and i and i i think

01:05:32that it's something that should not be

01:05:34overlooked because she knows how to be in

01:05:36pain turmoil physically she knows how to

01:05:39play that so well and she knows how to play

01:05:42confidence and anger and conquering fear

01:05:45like she's so multi-layered and uh i love i

01:05:49just love everything she does so yeah i think

01:05:53uh she's she's excellent here her getting

01:05:55to reunite with hopper at the end beautiful

01:05:58um oh boy that whole plot line yeah there's

01:06:01a whole plot line there all that stuff in

01:06:04russia like did that actually affect what

01:06:08was going on it seemed like you know with

01:06:11the power of editing that it did uh but i

01:06:13wasn't entirely sure like how is them

01:06:15stopping the demo core is it because the

01:06:17particles were connected to everything that

01:06:21was happening so the particles by dispersing

01:06:24into the democorgons by taking out the

01:06:26democorgons that is helping to take down

01:06:28like the bats and shit and and and the

01:06:31upside down while they were there is that am i

01:06:34am i getting that right i think this is the

01:06:35most direct connection i mean part of me

01:06:37could use a little clarification because the

01:06:40the hive mind thing i was like well i guess if

01:06:41you attack anything from the upside down i

01:06:43guess it all counts as the upside down being

01:06:46like what is happening uh but yeah i mean

01:06:49ultimately i read it as i guess this is

01:06:51helping create enough chaos and cacophony and

01:06:53distraction for the upside down because yeah

01:06:56you've got eddie dealing with the bats you've

01:06:58got them beating up on demogorgons you've got

01:07:00all these things happening and that's throwing

01:07:02vecna's focus for a loop um i did think

01:07:06speaking of cacophony i did think they brought a

01:07:08great sense they knew how to capture cacophony

01:07:12yes they did like because it was that that middle

01:07:15chunk was just pure chaos oh yeah and it just

01:07:18kept getting worse and worse and worse and you're

01:07:20cutting between three different types of horror

01:07:22that are all connected you know you got you got

01:07:25spooky haunted hospital or haunted prison

01:07:28experimental lab prison horror with in russia

01:07:32you got you know spooky supernatural freaking um you

01:07:37know uh nightmare on elm street like horror

01:07:39uh and so i i thought they just did such a great

01:07:42job at throwing you of cutting to all these

01:07:46different things and it just wouldn't it was kind of

01:07:48relentless yeah and not and how it didn't like

01:07:51like just wouldn't let you go and it was exciting but also

01:07:54get really like situational wise just really scary yeah and i

01:08:00mean yeah it all contributes like even though you're you're

01:08:03cutting between you know you're cutting between this is one

01:08:06story happening here and there's another story happening

01:08:08here you know because of that you know sort of shared effect on

01:08:12the overall situation and because we care about all these people yeah it reaches

01:08:16this like fever pitch of everyone is you know is throwing this is the

01:08:21critical moment for everyone involved everyone is exerting everybody is

01:08:25fighting back and these are the the moments that will decide you know kind of

01:08:29the fate and i feel like yeah that that definitely does create a palpable

01:08:33sense of chaos without it being the bad kind of like i don't think the

01:08:38filmmakers really knew what they were doing it's like controlled chaos where

01:08:41yeah you feel the sort of desperation and intensity of it all and yeah i love

01:08:47all the different notes that they do throughout this and and i mean

01:08:50you know the stuff in russia is more plot oriented general it's more action

01:08:56oriented in that yeah they basically need to

01:08:58go back to the prison figure out what's going on there

01:09:01and fight back but uh i don't know just like that ensemble

01:09:05even as much as people have have had issue with that being a quirkier story

01:09:10and a more heightened story uh just like i loved uh what david harbour has

01:09:16been doing this whole season like just the way hopper has become this sort of

01:09:19like very deliberate he's got this like very calm very focused delivery on

01:09:25things and the way he plays off of joyce and uh you know even he's a changed

01:09:32man completely like this popper performance is vastly different than

01:09:38yeah the hopper who just progressively got more and more like heavier and grumpier

01:09:44yeah yeah yeah now he's like leaned out and he's he's something that's like

01:09:50accepting yeah and um like even his performance at the very end i i think

01:09:56you know they don't quite lay out in the dialogue how he's changed

01:10:02but it shows in his performance and the and beyond just him losing a bunch of weight

01:10:06it's it shows so much by yes by allowing the audience to kind of fill in

01:10:12like the experiences this guy has had and by lamenting a couple of monologues

01:10:17like at least one i can think of um yeah it shows how he you know he finds a purpose

01:10:23and a confidence and he does seem like more in tune with that loving side in him now because

01:10:29he's found an appreciation and the other seasons he he does like so like grumpy and i love i've

01:10:37always loved hopper oh yeah i always love that david i like how but but in season three became a

01:10:43little much for me with hopper at times yeah like he was just like buffoonish you know and and uh

01:10:52because he was always like the angry cool grumpy kind of guy with a lot of pain but he had such a

01:10:57heart and he was like you felt safe when he was around yeah and then three he was yeah pushing

01:11:02people away guy and then three it was like you're kind of just a little goofy and you know like just

01:11:09and but here this was this was so different and i know honestly like kudos to david harbor for i've

01:11:14never seen him this thin before i know and i was like damn this dude really lost some weight man

01:11:18that's crazy you look a little bit like you've been in a gulag for a minute buddy yeah yeah like

01:11:24it wasn't like a six-pack abs or something like no there's this dude someone who's been like having

01:11:28to do a lot of physical labor in a prison for months and barely eating like shit food yeah yeah he got

01:11:34the right it's like whatever diet he did for it his body was like just right to match the character's

01:11:41experiences um which i i thought was awesome and him and joyce finally get to be together yeah they're

01:11:47not even going to go back and have that date they've been wanting i'm really hungry guys i'm

01:11:50gonna have a piece of nuts i know well and speaking of dad i mean the one thing that we didn't get any

01:11:54wrap-up on was uh the fate of enzo our buddy and uh and uh and you know uh uh i can't remember his

01:12:03real name but the prison guard buddy who uh jock and hagar from game of thrones uh you know the guy

01:12:08who's helping him break out who ultimately inspires uh what is the pilot's name you know who ultimately gets

01:12:14him to actually fix yeah yuri yuri is my love uh they finally gets him to fix the jet the helicopter

01:12:22thing and and all that like i felt like as much as it's not the point and they are not the most

01:12:27important characters i was like i don't know where they wound up or at least enzo wound up because uh

01:12:32because he was the character who i liked a lot and i'm glad he didn't die and and stuff but i i guess

01:12:37i expected there to be some kind of involvement for him moving forward or a send-off if not because

01:12:44i mean he did while the plan went wrong a million different ways he did kind of help hopper out on

01:12:50this thing a lot i mean by filling in the blank by seeing who hopper unites with who drive who drops

01:12:57them off something just must have been worked out yeah i want to see it they'll probably explain in the

01:13:01next season they do like that yeah he'll be back surprise yeah we need this i know a guy i know a guy who's

01:13:11got peanut butter and enzo and you're running a peanut butter shop that's right and fixing uh

01:13:19airplanes or something like that um but but yeah although all the like fighting like that that was

01:13:24really intense and although like the flamethrowers so like they're i thought they were good at doing

01:13:28homage to like clearly this is referencing movies and horror fiction of various kinds but with

01:13:34i mean the michael myers mask and some of the freddie illusions are pretty dead on but you know this

01:13:39felt the least like remember this movie yeah exactly it's like it's they are like you see snow

01:13:46and a flamethrower you think of the thing but it's not going hey we did a thing reference you know

01:13:52as or or you know reciting direct lines or things like that yeah it's like you can pick up on what

01:13:59they're referencing but usually it's like it's it became more and more obvious as it went before

01:14:05mm-hmm they would be like that assassin hunting you was arnold schwarzenegger yeah you look like

01:14:11magnum pi yeah whereas here they took the reference and actually just let it be something for this

01:14:18story instead of a reference you know it's like you can draw the reference but it's actually just

01:14:22serving a purpose here yeah pennywise and freddie krueger obviously yeah but you know they're not like

01:14:30like it's like pennywise and freddie krueger yeah yeah for sure and it really just still feels like

01:14:37its own thing and i think what i really thought from up for doing something on this epic of a scale

01:14:43what i think they did so it's just so beautifully like a big saving grace for me for the rush to

01:14:49start like because yeah like you know murray's like funny and joysman is not much of a character

01:14:54i did like how she got a chance to sort of redeem her her loss of bob by saving hopper in that moment

01:15:00i thought that was great i actually didn't expect her to show up and do something yeah and that and

01:15:04that scene and so when she did i thought that was awesome um and she gets to be with hopper so yeah

01:15:10it was like a little bit there's progression for her character absolutely uh things finally being

01:15:15fulfilled and she was so haunted by the loss of bob in season three so i think that's great but what

01:15:23what i think even on what was so cool about the russia part to me was the set production yeah that was

01:15:31and i think the set production overall in this show was it was so excellent in this season like for going

01:15:36for the epic scale really getting to live in more times that are like when it's cgi it looks awesome

01:15:44even when it's cgi when you know when when vecna origins when he's looking upon that yellow land

01:15:52of the upside down yeah the desolate upside down land that was gorgeous but what i think i gotta

01:15:57turn this red but what i thought was cool is a lot of the sets felt like sets you know felt like

01:16:06uh people and cost you could feel the costumes you could feel um how they pay how they actually

01:16:13constructed these rooms you know whether that be in the creole house and versus the creole house in

01:16:19the upside down um the all of the russian prison i thought was so awesome and i don't i don't recall

01:16:27ever really thinking that in previous seasons and normally when you hear you know like yeah it's

01:16:33epic and the most expensive it usually means like bigger action scenes and and more cgi yeah which they do

01:16:39however i didn't expect to be like damn these sets are cool like these are really good looking sets that

01:16:50emit a tone and i love that absolutely loved it like every set especially in the in the two episodes of

01:16:58volume two was really great to look at yeah well that's that that keeps me coming back to this feeling

01:17:04of like you know there's there's the hype and excitement but i feel like beyond that you can

01:17:09you can have rose colored glasses for any number of reasons but this does truly feel like a special

01:17:15season a special show a special culmination to me here now because of not only all the things we've

01:17:21talked about with the writing with the character stuff and with the acting but yeah like the the sets

01:17:25are beautiful like everything feels like you can tell where this investment went no expense was spared and

01:17:32they seem like they were allowed to do what they wanted what they thought was right for the story

01:17:37and it seems like they were capable hands making those decisions and so even though there are things

01:17:43you can gripe about here me sitting here i'm just like wow this was like so gripping and cathartic

01:17:49even if there are flaws that you can point out about this plot line or that like this really does feel

01:17:55like the like a not the peak of all cinema but you know like this really does feel like a high watermark

01:18:03in terms of you know storytelling in this format here and now with these resources like it's it's really

01:18:10beautifully rendered and it's really convincing and it's yeah i mean it's things like that it's like

01:18:15that is movie magic to me when it's like you can point at everything the shots the lighting the effects

01:18:22the way the practical and the cg effects interplay the way those choices are made you know like so

01:18:28much of that all of that it kind of calls comes together to make this feel like something special

01:18:34more than just a really great season of tv you know i didn't think that jason should amount to

01:18:41too much though even though i agree with every single thing you said i was like what is the one thing

01:18:47though that i was like you could have done something different or you you possibly could

01:18:52have eliminated it it served as a way for lucas to have an arc and served as a great plot and

01:18:57convenience great tension in the moment to get maxed to a certain physical point where he could not put

01:19:03the headphones on her and shit um you know what i think they should have done what and i don't want

01:19:08to be that guy i think if they just added one beat of him looking up i see that's the thing i don't

01:19:15know i guess i guess i don't know how you get him to that point of realizing what the true nature is

01:19:19because he's just another one of the people who believes like the tv report at the end was like

01:19:24eddie munson and the munson murders and somehow those caused this and i don't know how you undo that

01:19:31but part of me thinks like man if you just had him like look up and maybe say something to lucas in

01:19:36that final moment that suggests a revelation or an oh i guess i was a bit pig-headed about this and i

01:19:44should have listened to you or something and then he gets part of me is like he gets disintegrated

01:19:50and there is no redemption and i like that partly because yeah i mean you know he made his bed but at

01:19:56the same time yeah there's not really an arc or a true payoff beyond like well i guess you should

01:20:03have listened it's kind of like some and sometimes it felt that way with billy in season two of stranger

01:20:08things yeah i'm just like there's a real thing happening here and this bully keeps showing up to be

01:20:13a bully and to yeah kind of ignore the greater like yeah it's like i like that they i think they

01:20:19got kind of halfway because i like definitely it's a halfway point there's there's a lot about it i

01:20:23liked and there's a lot but by the ending payoff with it is that the one thing i'm like yeah it was

01:20:28kind of whatever yeah it's like if you if you if you reduce every story to you know not that everything

01:20:34but yeah if you say three beats to uh an act structure you know it's like we got one to two we

01:20:40got to the point of him accepting like no no no this is satan this is some kind of supernatural

01:20:44satan thing yeah like one more step in some some direction or another i think would have made that

01:20:50feel like a full circle thing whereas yeah it's just sort of like ah tough for you well it was like

01:20:57it went about as far as an 80s movie would go and i don't feel like that's this movie surpasses 80s

01:21:05movies yeah and and and and every like it doesn't just go be an 80s movie like they to me this was

01:21:12yeah it's about the extent of where this archetype character in this position would go and i don't

01:21:19know even like the storyline of people believing that the hellfire club was you know this demonic

01:21:25thing responsible for the murders that didn't really it really felt like it just didn't amount

01:21:31too much ultimately by like you had such a great setup with it where it was asking you're like

01:21:35okay how it's all gonna how's it all gonna culminate it has like halloween kills but i'm like it doesn't

01:21:41really feel like it culminated with it i think that's what it maybe could have used is that yeah

01:21:46you have the two of it almost feels like their story gets consistently smaller even with that news

01:21:51report at the end because they are the faces of no this satanic panic thing with dungeons and dragons

01:21:56the hellfire club is real we have to go find them and we have to you know dispense justice but by the

01:22:01end it's just him and his buddy whereas i feel like if you actually had the town or or just more

01:22:07people this this thing being sort of a plague in and of itself of paranoia and people acting it's like

01:22:13they hinted that where everybody in town is at the you know army surplus store but uh yeah it almost

01:22:20feels like that story narrowed out over time instead of getting wider and i think there's plenty of not

01:22:25that it needs to be halloween kills but i feel like what that movie tried to do this could have

01:22:29surpassed yeah uh with something like that uh but then again i feel like that would open you up to

01:22:35more episodes or more time or or it would take away from what some other thing that we were doing that

01:22:41ultimately is i think most everything that we got and focused on is probably more important

01:22:46ultimately than that but as it kept going it just kept feeling like you're getting in the way

01:22:50because because it doesn't really develop beyond i'm still determined to find you yeah like you're

01:22:57getting in the way and then the main thrust it serves is like for lucas to have a realization about

01:23:02himself and for him to smash max's headphones yeah it feels more like a plot mechanic by the end than

01:23:09an actual character story like most things feel like yeah so um yeah that was kind of just the the

01:23:16one part because i i i always like checking in with it yeah but then by the end of it was like huh

01:23:23that's about it okay yeah um but as it stands uh this was pretty amazing and epic and uh beautiful and

01:23:31wonderfully constructed and i hope that the filmmakers and cast are insanely proud of making television

01:23:38history because this was awesome this is a this is event tv event and tv and streaming you know that

01:23:45it's fine which is so much harder to do yeah buddy um you know like when you when you release multiple

01:23:53episodes at once i'm saying versus like especially for stranger things like this was such a unique

01:23:58type of experience and uh it's stranger things has only become more special now to me after this season

01:24:06or normally by season four sometimes it starts to not feel a little special and this is become more

01:24:13special and i love the way it ended because it's so different it warrants this crazy level of

01:24:18production and length of storytelling and it um it elevated the show and in every way and it made it

01:24:26something that i'm like i can't wait for season five i just can't wait i know isn't that because

01:24:30it is now it feels like that will be the final story yeah it feels like they've really paved the way

01:24:35we've said they've set up everything in place now and now it's time for the final showdown yeah it's that harry potter

01:24:41thing i never would have thought about it and i can't remember who referenced it but someone was

01:24:45like there's a little bit of harry potter in the formula for stranger things and i'm like oh my god

01:24:49you're right and and that's i think part of that magic is because not only is it the developing story

01:24:54but every every year it's a new year it's a new school year it's a new age you know in the coming of

01:25:02age journey like it gets bigger yeah it's like baked into the show beyond everything else in the story

01:25:09is just that growth and that embrace even though it is somewhat problematic now that the kids are

01:25:14older by a good amount than who they're supposed to be playing uh still it gives it that extra

01:25:21element of real life attachment i think that that is really beautiful to see when it works and and and

01:25:27speaks to the time capsule that cinema can be as well as you know the the vehicle for all sorts of

01:25:34imaginative you know fancy true that's not true beautiful beautiful all right guys well journey's

01:25:44over for now for another several years until part five comes up bye peace thanks for being here check us on

01:25:54patreon bye

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