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Terra.Anatolia
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00:00for the worst men imaginable people that I dated were losers but when she
00:07meets a sweet new guy she thinks her curse has been lifted the problem with
00:12this is she's not a great judge of character until her jealousy runs head
00:18on into his dark side she claimed that when he was drunk he was abusive and all
00:24at once everything unravels is she a helpless victim I told myself when this
00:31is over I will kill him or a cold-blooded killer
00:38not all fairy tales have happy endings when love goes wrong a woman can do the
00:48unthinkable
00:54in the leafy suburb of Old Bridge New Jersey teenager Laurie McClucky is a
01:02loner an outcast at her clicky high school at school I would go for days or
01:11weeks without saying a word didn't go to the prom didn't have a boyfriend didn't
01:16go to football games anything like that unathletic uncoordinated really no social
01:23skills that's how I would describe myself her home life isn't much better I knew
01:28Laurie when she was just a child she was quiet she was shy could she have been a
01:33tortured soul I suppose really saw no evidence of real problems with her her
01:40parents are well off financially but when it comes to nurturing Laurie they're
01:45emotionally bankrupt her father was volatile and at times violent so she was
01:53sort of faded into the wall you know mother wasn't particularly nurturing didn't
02:00pay a great deal of attention to her looking back on it I remember being hugged by her one
02:05time I remember not really having friends dr. Casey Jordan studies criminal behavior the
02:13one so-called warning sign you might identify and Laurie's upbringing would be
02:18her detachment for people who are socially awkward and aware of it they feel like
02:24they're always outside of the bubble always watching other people interact
02:29almost as if they are a student of society but not really part of it and
02:34this is going to be a setup for difficult relationships
02:38Laurie dreams of escaping her miserable home life I just felt like I could start
02:45being myself if I was far away that's as far as I analyzed it she finally gets her
02:54wish when she gets accepted to a small liberal arts college in Ohio six hundred
03:00miles away for Laurie the whole idea of getting away from her family was the only
03:07hope she had it's not that she had given up on living a normal life it's just she
03:12kept waiting for that moment to arrive once Laurie enrolls she instantly feels at
03:19home I loved Antioch everybody at Antioch was an outcast that's the kind of
03:25school it was it was people like me that just didn't fit in anywhere else she
03:30thrives as a student and for the first time in her life gets a boyfriend named
03:34David Wilson everything seems to be falling into place got a Bachelor of Arts
03:40degree in literature I loved it it was the best years of my life
03:45I'm a little nervous after graduation in the summer of 1984 a newly confident
03:52Laurie heads to Denver Colorado to get even further away from her family
03:58National Geographic had an article about Denver that year it was July of 1984 I
04:04just thought this looks like a great place I think I'm going to try this out
04:08this is Laurie how may I help you okay almost immediately Laurie scores a job at a
04:14publishing company soon she has an apartment a steady income and hope that
04:21her life is finally on track I was so excited to have a job a real job where I
04:27was making just enough to support myself and it was pretty exciting but in this
04:34strange new environment Laurie's self-esteem problem somehow creeps back in
04:41she has trouble connecting with people around her and once again feels like an
04:46outsider did you make some friends the people at work I just felt like I would
04:54talk to people at work but there was never I just couldn't feel a connection I
05:01I made one decent friend that lived in my building I'm Frank and we live right
05:07here if we can help you out with anything he was actually an ex-marine he was 20
05:13years older than me and no he was actually the more settled of most people I knew
05:17despite feeling socially awkward Laurie's desperate for company and she finds it in the strangest of places I
05:27have this is kind of embarrassing but I just started hanging around with street people
05:36anyone tell you really pretty yeah the problem with this is she's not a great judge of character
05:43the steps that people would go through in their early adolescence learning how to
05:47judge who their friends are make friends carefully get out of relationships that
05:51don't feel good Laurie skipped all of that then her need for companionship takes an even weirder
06:01riskier turn Laurie starts dating the men she meets on the street people that I
06:10dated were losers like the street people they seemed exotic to me I just found that really
06:17interesting then we hitchhiked down to Mexico even though she was college educated and could have
06:24lived in the suburbs that's not what she chose to do that was not why she came to Colorado it was a
06:30culture of people that she was drawn to that were more what I described as biker types one of the men
06:38she begins to date is Arthur Johnson he had all these stories about his travels and I just found that
06:45really exotic he didn't seem mentally ill to me at the time he seemed very intelligent
06:49Arthur becomes a regular visitor at her apartment just seemed like that's who I could relate to
07:01but according to Laurie one night he comes over drunk and gets extremely aggressive
07:11he became very drunk and started beating me up Laurie claims that by the time she realizes she's in
07:31serious danger it's too late he basically held me captive in my apartment for oh if I remember over
07:39three hours kept me from going to work she says Arthur raped and brutalized her once Arthur finally takes
07:51off a battered and frightened Laurie runs to the only friend she has her neighbor Frank Laurie what happened I
08:03I didn't think of it at first as rape because I had had consensual relations with him in the past he was in my home
08:12Laurie ends up telling Frank the whole story he made me call the police
08:19the next thing I knew I'm at the hospital I'm getting poked and prodded and photographed did you get
08:32punched in the mouth Laurie she doesn't have context to interpret what exactly has happened which is
08:38right the man who says that the sex was consensual or the friend who says based on the story you told me
08:44you were absolutely raped put your hands behind your back what what did I do a few days later the cops pick up Arthur
08:53he's charged with assault and rape so by that you were having consensual sex yes months later the case goes to trial
09:02and a terrified Laurie takes the stand Miss McLucky was this the first time that you had sexual intercourse
09:11with my client no I felt completely humiliated they accused me of lying you've done this sort of thing
09:18in the past right yes they asked very detailed questions how frequently you wasn't this something
09:26that you enjoyed no it was really embarrassing Laurie somehow holds it together in court by burying her
09:34emotions he threw me on the ground what were you doing with all of the emotions about this man who
09:39raped you I was just so embarrassed I went numb a little bit you know I was I didn't want to be
09:45telling these things on the stand isn't it true that you're lying here today who will the jury believe
09:51coming up Laurie finally lands the boyfriend she's always wanted but is he too good to be true I felt at
10:02the time like I was in love with him 23 year old Laurie McLucky has accused a man she was dating
10:20Arthur Johnson of rape she shows little emotion while testifying at his trial no ultimately Lori's
10:31detached manner backfires their theory of the case was that I made this up because I needed an excuse
10:38for why I didn't go to work that day the jury acquits her alleged attacker of all charges he had been
10:45found not guilty because the jury didn't believe her Lori had done the best to tell her story but her
10:52ability to effusively show emotion had never existed in Lori's mind as she explained it to me that she
10:59felt that the system failed her she and she deserved that for this lonely and emotionally fragile young
11:07woman it's a devastating blow Lori does what she's always done she stuffs it down and basically leaves
11:14it to smolder until it may flare up again Lori struggles to cope with the jury's ruling I just
11:25remembered just going a little wild and dating a whole bunch of different men it seemed like dating many
11:32different people helped me feel better about myself a year and a half after the trial Laurie's walking
11:43home from work when she's approached by a young man excuse me do you have the time his name is Andrew
11:50Veal I don't wear a watch he started a conversation I don't remember what he said I'm not from around here
11:56so cool Lori's drawn to Andrew's apparently sweet simple nature the two immediately hit it off and
12:09within days they're inseparable he was very good-looking to me he had a very gentle side
12:17Andrew is excited to introduce Lori to his foster family Andy came to us when he was four years old
12:25he was a cute little boy he told me he met a nice girl he would know what he would know if he could
12:30bring Lori over to visit us stop by and I said sure she might be the one but Andrew and Lori have little
12:37in common and two outsiders seem like an unlikely pair he went to a special school for people with
12:45developmental disabilities people referred to him as slow in fact we couldn't even find that he'd ever had
12:52a relationship with a woman before I think Lori doesn't believe she has any self-worth I think
12:57Lori believed that that was the best relationship she could have at first glance you might think
13:02that Lori sees this especially after the tragedy of the rape trial to be the kind of man she could have
13:09power over she could level the playing field and this man could never take advantage of her was it a
13:15power play on Lori's part not really Lori didn't think that as the ugly duckling she could ever do
13:22better than this for the first time in her life Lori thinks she has a real and loving relationship soon
13:33Andrew is basically living at her apartment we never agreed to live together I never invited him to come
13:40move in with me he just kind of insinuated himself into my home every time he came over
13:46he'd bring a few more things two more things and then he just basically like never left he loved him right
13:53mmm looking back I don't know if that's what it was but I felt at the time like I was in love with him yeah
14:00what are you doing it's time to go but Andrew's family sees issues with the relationship early
14:08on his family described it as abusive she would abuse him on number of occasions at family functions
14:14I've been here long enough I couldn't understand when they first met her why she would want to be with
14:18Andy because he was so far below her but maybe that she could control him because he wasn't as smart
14:22as she was he adored her and he put up with a lot of abuse from her as a result fine I'll go tell
14:29him that relief hey I'm off you're gonna be able to maybe fill out some more job applications today as
14:43the weeks pass Lori realizes that Andrew is chronically unemployed you pick up some more
14:48smokes before you come back and not that motivated to look for work he did live on the streets for
14:54about a year because he didn't want to work okay what'd you do today oh this and that Lori's forced
15:11to support them both on her meager salary how'd the job hunt go you know I'll get to tomorrow's still
15:19even though Andrew's not pulling his weight he does give Lori the love and attention she craves
15:25when I first met him he did not have a job at all occasionally he'd go out on day labor and make a
15:30little money later on he started working at Woolworth's as a dishwasher but to the outside person
15:36they're gonna say Lori look at you you're employed you're college educated you're super smart why would
15:41you date a dishwasher at Woolworth's that you met on the street I didn't see it like that I felt like I was
15:48very ugly my self-image was not good I didn't see myself as oh here's this person that's making
15:56a success of their life I felt just ugly Lori's in a relationship that's become exploitative and yet
16:05she doesn't see it as such he sleeps at her house they seem to have a good relationship maybe she's
16:11paying for everything but again she's getting something out of it too the idea that finally in her
16:17twenties she could have a boyfriend and make a go of it but things are about to take an ugly turn
16:24Lori claims that one night Andrew shows up at her apartment wasted and he's not a happy drunk
16:32huh am I okay you think I'm okay when he did drink it was always over the top coming up who's April
16:41Andrew's not the only one with a temper she was very concerned that Andrew Vigil was having
16:47relationships with other women 24 year old Lori McLuckie is two months into what she feels is the only
17:06really loving relationship she's ever known but Lori's just seen a side of Andrew that changes her
17:13perspective he when he was drunk he was extremely violent according to Lori after a destructive drunken
17:22rant in her apartment Andrew finally passes out she's relieved the next morning she confronts him about
17:38his behavior you were really scary I know I'm sorry he apologizes and shifts the blame to his terrible childhood
17:47when he was four years old his mother was bludgeoned to death by her boyfriend in front of
17:53Andrew and his three siblings he believed that his mother deserved what she got he said that she was very abusive to him I
18:02don't know if this is true or not this is what he told me Lori is moved by Andrew's startling admission
18:09she can relate to the pain he felt growing up and sees a common bond between them I really love you
18:16while the trauma of their youth may be different in terms of experience this guy appears to be her mirror
18:23image in terms of having a damaged soul and Lori believed that if she could just make him get a job
18:31perhaps they could get on the same level and the magic of that relationship could continue
18:39after a year of dating Andrew finally gets a steady job as a dishwasher at Woolworth's and rents his own
18:45place this relieves some financial pressure but Lori is still unhappy with Andrew who is April
18:53she was very concerned that Andrew Vigil was having relationships with other women I just told you he
18:59was there trying to do his job and they got into an altercation there the argument escalates to
19:07the point where Andrew's boss has to break it up Andy time to go to work break time's over
19:14despite the fighting Lori holds on to the hope that Andrew will change and they can save the relationship
19:20but as the weeks pass Lori claims Andrew's drunken tirades become more frequent listen to me you're
19:28nothing do you understand and more aggressive stop Lori get your fat ass out of the way I just need a beer
19:39Lori's tolerance of Andrew's abuse puts her in danger not so much physically as emotionally get back
19:46her fantasy of being a normal woman in a normal relationship was everything to Lori sorry I got
19:54you so mad all she ever wanted was to feel loved and when she started to equate Andrew's behaviors his
20:01control his anger followed by his making up with love there was no way she was going to get out of that
20:10relationship easily at least when I was with him I didn't have that sense of I was just going to
20:18totally fall apart although she's still afraid of being alone Lori finally makes a painful decision
20:26and at this point I was actually starting to really hate him
20:29it's time to drop Andrew for good I was thinking we could talk
20:40I thought okay well maybe I can do this you know about what but when the moment comes to drop the
20:48bombshell hey what Lori chickens out no you know it's it's not nothing important I would start to feel
20:59more normal and then he would know what to say to throw me off my feet again
21:09but Andrew's foster mother tells a different story she says Andrew was the one who wanted to end the
21:15relationship he tried to break up with her but she would always call him back there just was a lot
21:21of animosity between them and I don't know why Andy stayed with her I try to talk him out of all
21:25time but moms don't know anything I want to talk to Andy he said oh mom I don't want to break up with
21:31Lori she really loves me and I say yeah Andy I know she'll love you to death
21:38even after losing the courage to confront and dump Andrew Lori claims she still wants out
21:46one day after 18 months together she packs up Andrew's remaining belongings and leaves them outside
21:52her locked front door
21:56Lori
21:59open the door
22:01Lori stays strong and waits until Andrew finally leaves
22:05she's hopeful that she can make it on her own
22:20hi david
22:22desperate for any kind of human contact Lori decides to reach out to her old college boyfriend david wilson
22:30maybe you might want to come and see denver
22:38were you looking forward to this because you were broken up with andy yeah here's an old friend an
22:42old boyfriend and
22:44somebody from my old days do you want to grab a coffee or yeah definitely okay we did sleep
22:51together but we had grown in completely different directions
22:55i was probably so tense and so messed up that i probably wasn't at all the person that he knew
23:02from before it wasn't a whole lot of fun it wasn't what i thought it was going to be
23:13after david heads back home lori tries to move on independently
23:17hello
23:22but then she gets a shocking phone call that threatens to change everything what
23:29coming up
23:30andrew's back and he's angrier than ever
23:34i told myself when this is over i will kill him
23:51lori mcclucky's just had a disappointing reunion with an old college flame david wilson
23:58now he's left denver and gone back to the east coast hello
24:02to make matters worse her phone's just rung with life-changing news
24:07what what happened was i actually had gone to be put on birth control pills
24:12and as a precursor for that they just routinely do a pregnancy test
24:17the doctor called me at home and said you can't go on birth control you're pregnant
24:22i was it floored me i couldn't believe it
24:25single friendless and two months pregnant lori is determined to keep her baby her unborn child is
24:36all she has
24:37david it's lori she decides to call david to break the news yes i have something to tell you
24:48oh my god wow i guess i kind of thought that
24:52not that we would get married or anything like that but that he would help me out a little bit
24:56i spoke to the doctor yes are you sure it's even my kid what he did was tell me this is what's
25:03going to happen i can pay for half the abortion if you refuse to have an abortion i'm washing my
25:09hands of this and i said i don't have anyone listen if you want to have the kid that's your decision
25:16all right that's not something that i want in my life i remember how i felt like i'd just been
25:21kicked in the gut so you're pregnant but who comes knocking on your door andrew hi come in three
25:33days later lori's ex-boyfriend andrew shows up at her apartment begging to get back together sorry
25:39about lori is shaken and vulnerable i have to tell you something how does andy find out that you're
25:45pregnant i told him even though lori tells andrew the baby's not his he takes the news surprisingly
25:53well it happened while we were broken up so he recognizes that this baby is his ticket back into
26:00lori's life and she agrees to take him back he started being really nice for a while at that time
26:07it was actually ironically enough good for him just a short minute
26:11when he told me that she was gonna have a baby i says your baby and he said no it's somebody else's
26:18but that's okay mom you know he already loved her and even though she was pregnant with somebody
26:23else's kid he still loved her for the baby you got this for the baby he was using his minimum wage
26:31salary as a dishwasher at a woolworth to purchase items that she would need once the baby was born
26:41hey where are you going but within a few weeks lori claims andrew's old patterns return moments of
26:48sweetness followed by outbursts of drunken violence you got mad that he slept with another guy huh he
26:55never actually hit me here when i was pregnant but he would often threaten to he'd say i'm gonna kill
27:01that baby sometimes he'd laugh and he'd say did i scare you and he'd laugh he would think it was funny
27:09i think he enjoyed it lori hates herself for letting andrew back in and she has no one to turn to
27:17i think that if she packed her bags and left colorado and went back home her family would
27:21have capitalized on the fact that she was a failure
27:27to make matters worse according to lori she begins fearing for her life and the life of her child
27:33what are you doing what does it look like i'm doing babe you're drunk you're gonna cut yourself
27:42one particular incident will haunt lori forever she claimed that when he was drunk he was abusive
27:48when he wasn't drunk he was fine i think you're gonna cut your phone don't patronize me i got it
27:54one day when he was really drunk and he actually had me cornered with this knife i got it i said for lori
28:02being threatened with a weapon crosses a frightening new line she indicated that she was able to flee
28:07the apartment go down to a laundry room which had had a lock lori starts imagining ways to break away
28:17from her violent boyfriend permanently
28:19i started fantasizing about him having a fatal accident i would actually think like
28:33if he was late coming over or whatever i think oh maybe it happened maybe he got hit by a car
28:38on his bicycle sometimes i would actually convince myself that it really had happened and then he'd show
28:43up again and then i started thinking well maybe i can kill him i started fantasizing about killing him
28:52there's had to be some kind of end to this in some way that day would come on may 22nd 1988
29:01three months have passed since lori and andrew got back together changes next i'm watching this
29:09she's still clinging to their relationship be the remote lori according to lori andrew's been drinking
29:15for hours and is looking for a fight she reaches her breaking point he had a bottle of whiskey and he
29:23kept drinking from that and getting drunker to the point where he was completely out of it
29:29lori is now five months pregnant and claims she's terrified for her and her baby's safety
29:37she gathers up andrew's stuff hoping he'll leave
29:42but instead she claims andrew lashes out
29:45when i told him that he was hurting the baby he didn't care when i looked in his face it was like
30:00he wasn't there wasn't even a person in there it was like a machine he didn't even know what he was
30:05doing or who i was then according to lori andrew does the unthinkable he rapes her what was going
30:16through your mind lori i told myself when this is over i will kill him i will find a way to kill him
30:25lori claims the attack lasts for over an hour but authorities say there's no proof the attack
30:38ever happened she had absolutely no bruising she had no black eyes she had no scratch marks if andrew
30:45vijo was physically attacking her like she claimed then he would have had some wounds on the front part
30:51of his body but he didn't have a single wound on the front part of his body
31:01after the alleged attack lori says that andrew furiously paces around the room
31:08she eyes the handcuffs he always carries in his pocket
31:14he didn't drive he rode a bike around denver
31:17he would use the handcuffs to lock his bike to a bike rack lori says she comes up with a desperate
31:25plan he started passing out waking up passing out waking up and i thought when he passes out
31:32i'm going to restrain him and then i'm going to kill him
31:39finally lori sees her chance and makes her move
31:43i dragged him over to the radiator and handcuffed him to the radiator with his own handcuffs yeah
31:51and i'd like to ask her that my question is when she was when she handcuffed him to the radiator
31:55and he couldn't do anything to her why didn't she call the police and say he was abusing her what she
31:59should have done is dialed 911 so they could have taken him into custody for sexually assaulting her and for
32:05domestic violence lori says she didn't call the police because no one believed her the last time she was
32:12sexually assaulted at that moment in time i absolutely wanted to kill him right there right then
32:21this time she takes matters into her own hands
32:26i got a cloth belt and i tried to strangle him
32:32he woke up and he started screaming
32:34i just wanted him to stop screaming so i went into my kitchen
32:56after her boyfriend allegedly rapes her a five-month pregnant lori mcclucky can't take anymore
33:01she's committed to getting rid of her boyfriend andrew once and for all
33:08i thought i'll knock him on the head with the hammer and just
33:11knock him unconscious and then i'll figure out what to do from there
33:15as andrew struggles to break free she steals herself there's no turning back
33:22i hit him in the head and he just kept screaming
33:33did it ever occur to you to just free him and drag him outside and let him go home on his own
33:37no i felt like if i freed him he would kill me it was a nightmare and i just wanted it to end and so i
33:43went and got the knife
33:48as lori stands over her semi-conscious boyfriend images play like a home movie in her mind
33:55all the brutality degradation and abuse she says she suffered throughout her life come flooding back
34:01and she erupts i just started stabbing him
34:08it seemed like he was still screaming for a long time how many times they said it was 26 stab wounds
34:16but i still felt like he wasn't dead i guess later i found out most of them were post-mortem
34:21can you tell me what was going on in your mind i just wanted quiet
34:28maybe it was me screaming i don't know
34:32lori is dazed and splattered with andrew's blood
34:36i don't remember a panic but i remember thinking oh my god
34:42and what do i do now oh my god i am a murderer
34:48after 20 odd blows with the hammer and more than 20 stabs with the knife she could still hear the
34:55screaming of andrew it really shows in my mind that she was in a psychological state where it was
35:02really dissociative but it was sort of like an out-of-body experience otherwise the overkill wouldn't
35:09make sense it wasn't that she was ratcheting up with rage so much as decompensating with the
35:14resignation that what she had started she had to finish laurie passes out on her bed exhausted her
35:23dead boyfriend lies in the next room chained to the radiator
35:26i woke up and i thought did that really happen and i went and i looked and he was in there
35:44the gruesome scene jolts laurie back to reality she needs to get rid of the body
35:49she begins rifling through the closet until she finds andrew's toolbox right on top is a rusty keyhole
36:01saw i planned that i would just cut up the body and then he'll just be gone and his family will think
36:08that he just took off somewhere lori slowly and methodically starts cutting andrew to pieces
36:19i just kind of blocked out what i was doing i felt the turmoil of feelings but i kept them down
36:28here and i thought i just need to get this done
36:34once i get this done it will just disappear
36:39she enters something of a fugue state almost playing the role of someone in a book or a movie
36:46she sees herself cutting up the body but is it really her she sees it almost as something she
36:54just has to do it's a necessary thing two days after bludgeoning andrew to death laurie has only
37:02managed to remove one of his arms and his right leg i've never had the opportunity to ask somebody how
37:09long it took to cut somebody's foot off with a keyhole saw and she just matter-of-factly said well it
37:15took about 20 minutes she's physically and emotionally drained how are you doing
37:22then according to laurie she runs into her neighbor frank he invites her in
37:29he knew something was wrong he kept asking me and first i said nothing nothing he said something's
37:34really wrong and i said well i've done something he goes what'd you do write a hot check or something i said no
37:42i've done something really bad prison time bad he said you killed andrew didn't you
37:50oh my god frank tells laurie to call the police she refuses and goes home
37:57her first mistake of course was to tell her friend this is to me the biggest indicator that she was in a
38:05fugue state after she told her friend it didn't even occur to her that her friend might tell the police
38:11over the next four days laurie goes to work each morning then comes home at night to continue cutting
38:17up andrew's body i wrapped them up put them in plastic shopping bags and threw them in dumpsters
38:31how long did you think you could do this did you have a vision of the end game at this point
38:35i didn't know what i was going to do i just knew that i couldn't think about it anymore
38:39at work no one had really suspected anything was wrong with you no they voted me employee of the
38:46week took my picture everything
38:53in the meantime laurie also goes looking for andrew have you seen andy while she was dismembering him
39:01she went out through the neighborhood to people asking if they had seen him
39:10the charade goes on until friday may 27 1988
39:22laurie is asleep in her apartment when she's awakened by a loud pounding on her door
39:27all i could think of was that it was andrew's family coming to kill me
39:37and the door crashed open and i saw uniforms and i was relieved
39:45because i knew they wouldn't kill me
39:50and i remember i heard a man in the living room saying
39:52john come look at this that's exactly what he said
39:59and i remember feeling so ashamed she had completely cut off his arms at the armpits
40:06she had completely cut off his legs at the hips laurie is led out of the apartment in handcuffs
40:13her neighbor frank has turned her in
40:23four months later while awaiting trial laurie gives birth to a baby boy
40:28he's put up for adoption i saw him in the hospital for a few minutes i was handcuffed when i held him in
40:34the hospital i don't know if she was pushed too far or was she a lioness protecting her cub
40:40i truly don't know to be honest with you i don't really believe laurie knows
40:47in january 1989 the case goes to trial
40:52the state argues the murder was premeditated
40:55now this was a well planned out thing she went to extreme efforts to try to cover her tracks
41:02laurie claims she acted in self-defense once you've handcuffed somebody to a radiator and they're no
41:09longer any type of danger to you if you then kill them that is not self-defense what it was is torture
41:20laurie is convicted of first-degree murder and abuse of a corpse she's sentenced to life in prison
41:26with a minimum of 40 years behind bars she will be eligible for parole in 2028
41:34she's got ice water flowing through her veins i think she's a sociopath i don't think anybody should
41:40feel sorry for her i think she's right where she should be i don't really believe laurie to be the
41:46big monster she's betrayed to be but i do believe there were two victims that day i believe it was laurie
41:51mcgluckey and andrew no i don't feel sorry for myself i don't want anyone else to feel sorry for
41:57me either i do have hopes and dreams that maybe i can someday do something else with my life but
42:04i don't have anyone to blame but myself laurie is a very fascinating figure you see her for who she is
42:12someone who can't really understand how it happened herself she feels like she deserves what she got and
42:18yet you can never be 100 certain that she wouldn't pose a danger to others if the right circumstances
42:26pushed her to the wall again
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