00:00They have claimed that when we were just gatherers, wanderers, we were much more happier until agriculture happened and then culture began.
00:10If we were surviving as a species, even by hunting and gathering and all those things, why did we need to move into agriculture?
00:22You cannot say we want to go back to the jungle and that is alright, you want to save time.
00:25The modern one, the one who has externally progressed, has great power at his hands and that is what is destroying the planet today.
00:35Jay Krishnamurthy used to say, at some point in history, man took a wrong turn.
00:39Do you see that wrong turn?
00:42Forgetting what you came out of the jungle for.
00:45You came out of the jungle because you wanted to no more be an animal, but you are still an animal.
00:52And often they keep giving examples.
00:54What's wrong with eating animals?
00:57In the jungle?
00:59Everybody's eating animals, right?
01:01So if you want to eat animals, go back to the jungle.
01:06What do you mean by natural?
01:07You're talking about the law of the jungle?
01:09We left the jungle long back.
01:13Good evening, sir.
01:14Sir, I have a question.
01:15When we were just gatherers, wanderers, we were much more happier until agriculture happened and settlements happened.
01:24Then culture began.
01:27But I was wondering if bandhan begins from the settlements, then do you think we could have made a progress in technology or everything that could happen to the human, whether it's health care or anything?
01:41Or are you suggesting maybe the older way when settlements were?
01:47Okay.
01:48It wasn't so much hunter-gatherer.
01:50Where are you?
01:51It was much more about being gatherers.
01:56Really?
01:56We were not really hunters.
01:58We were gatherers.
01:59Gathering is much easier than hunting, obviously.
02:02So, what happened next was inevitable.
02:09Please understand.
02:11If we were surviving as a species, even by hunting and gathering and all those things, why did we need to move into agriculture in the first place?
02:26Why?
02:26But that kind of a shift, no other species has shown.
02:33Right?
02:35If monkeys stay on trees, they have continued to stay on trees.
02:41They haven't become agriculturalists.
02:45Because they are doing alright on trees.
02:48Right?
02:48And the tigers are doing alright as they are.
02:55And the proof of their alrightness, the greatest, and the only proof that is needed, the proof of their alrightness is that they are continuing to exist as a species.
03:05And that's what is needed in the biological world.
03:13The only success that is needed there is material.
03:17Material success.
03:18Just as we measure our success, often, by the kind of impression we leave on the world, and nations talk of their success by measuring the average longevity of their populations.
03:38Similarly, the only criteria of success for the animal kingdom is whether we are able to successfully reproduce and extend our lineage.
03:56And if that is happening, we will say we are successful.
03:59In Prakrati, that's a way of attaining immortality.
04:02We attain immortality in the inner sense, no?
04:05If you are a real human being, you will want to attain inner immortality, which does not have to do with time.
04:12In the animal kingdom, they attain immortality by reproducing.
04:15Let me have kids, let me have kids, and that way, I have become immortal in a particular way.
04:21You know, cats today look much the same as they did 10,000 years back.
04:24So, that old cat has immortalized itself in the form of the cat today.
04:31So, since all species are doing well and are successful in this sense, what was the need for our damned species to start doing different things?
04:45The need was that we were not satisfied.
04:50We did not want to devote all our time and energy just to gathering or hunting.
05:02We said we need more time for higher pursuits.
05:08And that's the reason we said we should have enough spare stored supply of food items.
05:16That's agriculture.
05:16Our means of production should not be controlled by weather or circumstance.
05:26We do not want to live under the vagaries of randomness.
05:32We want to be our own masters.
05:34So, we will cultivate.
05:36We will clear the land.
05:37We will till.
05:38We will harvest.
05:41And we will store.
05:42So, there is security on the physical front.
05:47And when there is security on the physical front, what will we do?
05:51We will pursue higher order things.
05:55That was the purpose.
05:57That was the purpose.
05:58So, that is inevitable.
06:00You cannot reverse it.
06:03You cannot say we want to go back to the jungle.
06:05And that is alright.
06:08You want to save time.
06:09You want to do something better.
06:10You want to do something better.
06:12You know, when the industrial revolution came.
06:18And when household gadgets started becoming popular.
06:24And when the computers came.
06:29At each of these points, there were wise men and economists who were saying that you would probably have a two-day work week now.
06:44Electricity will become too cheap to be metered.
06:50All the kinds of basic tasks will be taken care of by the great surplus energy and the intelligence that we have now created.
07:01And you will have spare time.
07:03So that you can do something else.
07:07What that something else exactly was, we didn't know.
07:11We didn't know.
07:12And that was our shortcoming.
07:13We didn't know what to do with it.
07:16So we kept doing more of what we were already doing instead of doing something else with the spare time made available.
07:28Are you getting it?
07:30The purpose of technology or developments in science or prosperity in economics that is defeated.
07:39When you do not know what to do with the knowledge or money you have accumulated.
07:45The purpose of science, technology and economics, which is knowledge and systems.
07:54The single purpose of science, the single purpose of each of these is to elevate your insides, to make you free from within.
08:05But what has happened is that we have continued with technological progress without progressing from within.
08:15So the man who emerged from the jungle is very much present today as well.
08:26Just that he has much more power available to himself.
08:30Instead of internal transformation, the emergence from the jungle has resulted in great external transformation.
08:46If you look at the man, dramatically, let's just visualize there is this man coming out from the jungle and moving towards a vacant, cleared space where he can now grow crops.
09:00Let's visualize this man, right?
09:03Can you visualize that man?
09:05He is almost totally naked.
09:07And there is a lot of ignorance writ large on his face.
09:12Right?
09:12He is also carrying a lot of scars and other things.
09:18And you visualize the man that you have today in a developed country.
09:22And you put the two of them side by side.
09:26And you will not find any external similarity.
09:29Would you?
09:30The man coming from the jungle, he will have very, very bad teeth.
09:38He will have a very small lifespan.
09:44He will not have a properly developed language.
09:49In his thoughts, he would be quite muddled.
09:55You look at this man here.
09:57Outwardly, he would probably be wearing a suit.
10:00He would be carrying a laptop.
10:05He probably might be knowing many languages.
10:07He would be the master of so many technologies made available to him.
10:13Externally, everything will be different between the two of these, right?
10:18Internally, they are exactly the same.
10:23Now, this external one, the modern one, the one who has externally progressed, has great power at his hands.
10:32And that is what is destroying the planet today.
10:36Inwardly, you are exactly still the same man.
10:38And externally, you have amassed so much power.
10:42Whereas, you had emerged from the jungle, not really for the sake of external amassment.
10:49But for the sake of internal improvement, you didn't emerge from the jungle so that you could collect external riches.
10:59You were doing alright even in the jungle.
11:03There was no need to leave the jungle and do something that was extraordinary and go out of your way to do something that no other species had done.
11:12There was no need.
11:13You were doing alright.
11:15You were doing alright.
11:17But you emerged from the jungle so that you can have inner development.
11:23But the tragedy has been that that departure has not led to much of inner development.
11:32Instead, it has resulted in a lot of outer accumulation.
11:38And that's a double geo party.
11:43Internally, you are a chimpanzee.
11:45And externally, you are carrying cutting-edge technologies and nuclear-tipped missiles and whatnot.
11:53Imagine, a chimpanzee in command of an ICBM.
12:01And it could be a democratically elected chimpanzee.
12:05And that chimpanzee has the power to push the nuclear button.
12:10And launch not one but a thousand missiles and destroy the earth many times over.
12:16J. Krishnamurthy used to say, at some point in history, man took a wrong turn.
12:28Do you see that wrong turn?
12:29Forgetting what you came out of the jungle for.
12:39We have forgotten that.
12:41If you were to lead a jungle-like life, then the jungle is your place.
12:47Go back to the jungle.
12:50You came out of the jungle because you wanted to no more be an animal.
12:55But you are still an animal.
12:56Then why have you come out of the jungle?
12:57Go back to the jungle.
12:58Don't you hear all these arguments?
13:03You know, women should stay at home and do babies and cook stuff because that's how nature operates.
13:10No, that's how the jungle operates.
13:12And if you want to revert to that system, then you should go back to the jungle.
13:17That's what happens in the jungle.
13:19And often they keep giving examples.
13:21No, but what's wrong with eating animals?
13:24In the jungle, everybody is eating animals.
13:27In the jungle, everybody is eating animals.
13:29Right?
13:29So if you want to eat animals, go back to the jungle.
13:34You emerged from the jungle for the sake of a higher consciousness.
13:38Where is that consciousness?
13:40You are still the chimpanzee, but with a lot of brute power.
13:47Do you get this?
13:49And you look at all the arguments that come from the conservative circles these days.
13:53All of them talk of all these things.
13:59This is what happens in the animal kingdom.
14:01This is what is natural.
14:05What do you mean by natural?
14:06You are talking about the law of the jungle?
14:11We left the jungle long back.
14:16We have to behave like people of consciousness.
14:23Not dictated so much by their bodies.
14:28Not discriminating between people based on their bodily characteristics.
14:33All those discriminations happen in the jungle.
14:37Yes.
14:38But they are not supposed to happen in people who have left the jungle behind.
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