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00:00Yeah, sir. So actually, I wanted to have a very important conversation with you. It's
00:08basically regarding the entire, like, I am currently in a mess, I can say that it was
00:16the mess of confusions, what is right, what is wrong, the belief system, like I can give
00:21an example how this got started. So, for example, I did various observations. And from that,
00:27I came to conclusion that yeah, I am a restlessness. But it is just like that I saw what really
00:33was, I created an abstraction that I am a restlessness. And then I worked over it. I basically started
00:41conceptualizing, conceptualizing. And I said what Vedant speaks that you are a restlessness,
00:48it's a constant thing that you are a restlessness, restlessness 24 hours, which is not, which I don't
00:55see it as a fact, because I have only seen that in few instances. And so, there are various
01:02things which I just see, those are not facts for me, but rather, just a logical understanding
01:07has been made, not that it is not something which I can see that yes, it is for sure it
01:12is true. I don't care if it is any ideologically if it is wrong or what it is true for me. So,
01:18like this, the entire model collapse, the various things, all of it collapse. So, that's the biggest
01:27problem for me. And this happens quite… When you were seeing that you are not a restlessness,
01:35then you were seeing that you are not restless or you were not seeing? I was not seeing obviously. Yeah.
01:45If you are not seeing, how can you see that you are not restless? It's like I tell you that there is
01:55somebody inside that house and you have to see through the window. And you look through the window only
02:10five times a day. And then you infer that the fellow is in there only five times a day. Were you not seeing
02:24restlessness or were you not seeing at all? Yeah, I was not seeing at all. Yeah. So, how can you infer anything then?
02:30But sir, when you say that, okay, I am like the entire model of Vedant, people just accept it. Nobody
02:38is actually seeing 24 hours and actually confirming it. Nobody is asking you to accept anything. But from
02:46your honest observation, what you can say is, five out of five times when I saw, I saw restlessness.
02:52So, 100% of my observations tell me I am restless. Fair enough. No beliefs involved. Yeah. That's it.
03:09That does not, like that is just five times. Make it eight, make it 20, make it 40. Come on, disprove it.
03:16It will remain 100%. That's my assertion. Hypothesis. You disprove it. Watch yourself, look through that
03:26window and quote a single instance when you do not see that man inside, the restless man.
03:35Instead, you are positing that just because you are not seeing, the man is not there.
03:40That doesn't stand to reason. Yeah, the positing was wrong.
03:45I am saying that I am not a restlessness. That statement is wrong. I should say that I am
03:49doubtful if I am a restlessness. No, no, you are not even doubtful. You have not seen at all.
03:53You have no reasons even to doubt. You are blank. How?
04:00Five out of five times you saw restlessness. Beyond the fifth time, you didn't see anything at all.
04:05Yeah. So, what assertion can you make?
04:09I can say that, okay, it's my inability to see. That is, that is right.
04:18So then, then, then, then that inability has to be addressed.
04:21Yeah, okay. Yeah, right. So, but, sir, like what the mistake was that on the basis of just the
04:33five watchings, the five times that I watched, I created, I took this assumption that the boy
04:39is inside that room. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Due to some self-interest,
04:44what you are saying is, even though my sample space is five,
04:48and all five samples are pointing at the same thing, yet due to some self-interest, I still want to
04:58believe that there is nobody inside. 100% of your observations are yielding the same result, yet you
05:08want to side with an unproven possibility. What does this tell about your inner judge?
05:20It's like this. I bring, I bring 100 boxes to you and I say there is something inside the box.
05:29Hmm? That, that's my hypothesis. And of all the 100 boxes that you open or unbox, that little thing is
05:39found inside. And still you say, no, I want to claim that there is nothing inside the box.
05:44What does that tell about the quality of the judge? Is the judge not biased?
05:52Um, I'm still, like, I cannot see, like, like, if you stick to that Boival example,
05:59and I see that five times the boy is in the room. But how does that prove that the entire day the boy
06:05How does that prove the contrary also? Even if there is some ground to prove anything,
06:12the proof goes in the direction of somebody being inside. I understand it is not yet because the
06:20sample size is small, just five. You cannot still absolutely claim
06:26that the man is inside 24 hours. That is understood. Very right, logical. But I want to question this
06:34questioner. Even though all his five observations are proving the same thing, why does he want to
06:41believe to the contrary? What self-interest does he have? I'll tell you his self-interest. When you
06:49look at the ego and find restlessness, then what is proven to the ego is that you are not the Atma.
07:00The ego fights back. The ego says, you know what? Your observations were ill-timed.
07:08You caught me red-handed at just the wrong moments. You should have come after an appointment.
07:13You should have watched me after due intimation. And then you would have seen that I am restful
07:21because I am Atma. That's the central greed and desire and mission of the ego to prove that it is
07:33indeed restful as it is. I am alright. Though it is not. But it wants to keep proving that I am okay.
07:43If it accepts that it is not okay, it will have to own the responsibility for genuine change.
07:48And responsibility as we know is tough. It wants to shirk that responsibility. Therefore,
07:55it comes up with all kinds of obnoxious arguments. Otherwise, let's say there are 10,000 movements in
08:07the day. Let's say, you watch yourself for 9999 movements. All the time, every single instance,
08:17you find yourself restless. You still, going by your logic, have ground to say, I might not be
08:24restless because one particular movement I didn't watch myself. Maybe I was not restless then.
08:30And if that is going to be the logic, then you know what you will do? You will ensure that there
08:35is one movement per day that is spent unwatched. Because that one movement per day unwatched
08:44will enable you to claim that you are restful. You will say, see, I watched 9999 only.
08:53There was one movement I didn't watch. And in that one movement, I was very peaceful. So,
08:58that proves that the ego is peace itself. Therefore, I am Atma. That is the logic. And that one movement,
09:05I tell you, you will never watch. That is purposeful.
09:08You have to take a leap of faith. There is no leap of faith in this. There is just a reasonable
09:21thing to say. You see, anything that you consume comes to you after testing any edible food item,
09:28for example. There is something in it. It came to me not just straight from the factory. From there,
09:39it goes to a quality auditor who checks it. He cannot check every single molecule of every item
09:45that is coming to you. How does he check it? Sampling. Sampling. It is a matter of life and death.
09:53Yet, man trusts sampling because sampling is random. Random. And random sampling provides
10:04a great confidence level. Confidence is a mathematical term. 99.5% confidence level. 99.85%
10:11confidence level depending on the sample size. So, if I observe myself 40 times a day and every time
10:19I am restless, then I have a 99.85% reason to believe that yes, I am indeed restless.
10:32But, so like we can never come into an absolute conclusion.
10:38Don't come into an absolute conclusion. Believe it 99.85% times.
10:41You can remain cynical 0.1.5%. That's okay.
10:53Can I start a bit more? Because I have some sequential doubts in the entire understanding.
11:00So, like if I start with the very beginning, so I would say that because I am physically, I am well-being,
11:06so I am able to inquire into the entire thing. If I won't be physically all right, I won't even able to
11:11be inquiring. So, when I inquire, I see that I have dispassion towards various objects in the universe,
11:18be it the one I am already related with or the one whom I am not unrelated. This is key. Yeah,
11:23the dispassion is there. So, with this dispassion creates a very big confusion than what to do.
11:29Because there is no as such purpose. Because purpose is instantaneous. You have a purpose that,
11:34okay, do this and you are just doing this. By this, I am suddenly coming into a center that,
11:40okay, now what to do? What is, what has to be done and all that. But, the fact is that,
11:46I am inquiring with you, but at the same time, there is a very strong flow which will ultimately
11:51take me to behoosh actions, actions which are unconsciously happening. It will happen. It's not
11:57like that I can control action. It's not that key. If I don't do this discussion with you,
12:01the actions won't happen. The actions will happen. The thinking will happen. But,
12:05the point is that I don't quite understand. I don't quite, I don't, I see that those actions
12:12does not make sense to me. As if something is wrong. I don't know what is right and wrong.
12:17The entire fundamentals are somehow shaking, which were established earlier. And,
12:23uh, that's how, that's why I'm quite confused. And I can also see that there is a huge amount of
12:29suffering in various objects that I'm related to. And hence, there is this one more, like,
12:34I can see that I am currently standing into two, uh, demands. First is that I want a suffering less
12:39life. I don't want suffering in those objects. And secondly, I'd want a understanding, uh, which is
12:44established over facts and not, uh, theoretical assumptions and all that, because, uh, all of
12:51that in the past has created a lot of ruckus in my life because I create beliefs and assumptions that,
12:58yeah, this is true. And then it falls apart leading to all the decisions falling. So this takes me to a
13:08journey. Either I do this, do it completely on my own or I take external help. So because the suffering
13:14is quite huge. So I choose external help. And for that, not that you are choosing external help,
13:20you are choosing external help along with the suffering. You're driving a car
13:26and using the inbuilt audio system of the car, what you call as the infotainment system. You are
13:39communicating with me, right? Even as you are communicating with me, you're still driving the
13:45car towards the same destination. You are the one doing both the things.
13:52There is a clear choice involved. Stop the car. Get out. It is not necessary to talk to me while being
14:05in the car. Being in the car is a choice. No current is carrying you away. There is pleasure in being
14:16carried away. Pleasure is always something determined by you. No pleasure is absolute. All pleasures get
14:28their value from the pleasure seeker. The same thing that appears pleasurable to one is discarded by
14:36the other. Therefore, pleasure is not something that can carry you away on its own. You accord value to
14:43the pleasure. You can also withdraw value from the pleasure. Withdraw value from the pleasure. Stop
14:49the car. Get down. Sit by a rock below a shady tree. Keep speaking to me. Things might change.
15:02Otherwise, nothing changes. With or without this conversation, the car is carrying you towards the
15:09same place. Same speed. And a lot of people do that. I speak to them. I know where they are coming from.
15:23I know once the conversation is done, they will go the self same way.
15:29They have as if just stopped by to have a little break, a little bit of an entertaining change.
15:45It is a decision. It is a choice.
15:48But sir, this inquiry is not happening in the flow because the flow is not like, okay, I am choosing
15:59the flow. Like honestly, I am choosing the flow. It's not that the flow is taking me away. I am
16:04choosing it because of my plan. You are according value to the flow and that value
16:09is misinformed. That which you are valuing does not intrinsically deserve value.
16:21Because you do not know, hence you are taking it as valuable like a man being robbed of his money
16:29by somebody who is selling fake gems. You do not know what a real diamond looks like.
16:34Somebody is fobbing off some ordinary stone. But you are according the value of a real diamond to that
16:46ordinary thing. As long as that value estimation stands, you will keep going with the flow.
17:01Sometimes I advise people, go completely with the flow. Flow away.
17:11Then you will know what value lies in the place the flow is leading you to.
17:17It is the top gutter of the city. That's where the flow will take you.
17:23Find yourself in the greatest septic tank possible. And then you will realize what going with the flow means.
17:35Sometimes I get tired, you know, my human limits. And then I let people go. You please go with the flow.
17:42I will enjoy seeing you in your septic tank.
17:53And not to you, sir. I am coming from my general experience.
17:59Just realize it might appear that way. No, no, no.
18:02That's something that you should tell yourself. You should not wait to hear it from me. Ask yourself,
18:12how do you favor going with the flow when you do not know what the flow is taking you to?
18:18How do you favor?
18:18Like somebody flowing in a river and the river is coming to a fall. Seen those waterfalls?
18:29Merrily flowing. And just before a waterfall, a cascade, the river is quite shallow.
18:38So you do not fear drowning. No fear of drowning. No fear of drowning. Chill.
18:42And then Bhab. But all this is just my words, maybe my experience, maybe my observations.
19:01You have to figure it out for yourself. But this is exactly what I was saying that
19:07you just put it more honestly. I was not saying that, I was saying that the flow is taking me.
19:11You said it quite brutally that yes, I am choosing the flow.
19:15No, nothing takes anybody anywhere, sir. Nothing. Nothing.
19:22All pretense of helplessness is exactly that. A dishonest pretense.
19:32We all are such wicked creatures.
19:37We feign helplessness just to extort pleasure.
19:49We cannot even be honest enough to say that I am a pleasure seeker, therefore I am doing all those
19:53things. We say, you know, I just fell into pleasure helplessly.
20:05Why didn't you come in time? You know, I just crashed on the bed.
20:08Why didn't you crash on hot burning coal? Why do you ever crash only on your bed?
20:20Why don't you crash on the commode?
20:21All your helplessness results in pleasure. Have you never seen that?
20:28All your assumptions lead to pleasure.
20:32All your dishonesties lead to pleasure.
20:35So everything is just for the sake of pleasure.
20:38If somebody comes and says, you know, I'm helpless. Just figure out where the pleasure is and you will know the dishonesty.
20:49Someone comes and says, it happened despite me. I didn't know. It just happens.
20:55Just see where the pleasure is. The pleasure is what you should seek out.
20:58You were supposed to come to me at this time. Why didn't you come?
21:07Because I assumed you are not there. If you had to assume, you could have as well assumed that I am
21:12there. But all your assumptions are towards the site of your pleasure.
21:17All assumptions, if you figure out, you will see there is pleasure in the assumptions.
21:21Why did you keep this thing hidden? Why didn't you tell me? Oh, I assumed you already knew.
21:32Why didn't you assume I didn't know? Because one assumption helps your pleasure.
21:39So, sir, this inquiry, but this inquiry wasn't happening this way, like from two or three.
21:54Inquiry is nothing. What do you mean by inquiry? Inquiry is not investigation or third degree
21:59interrogation. Inquiry is just honesty. It's happening within you. You just know it.
22:07Inquiry is something that happens on its own. Your job is not to obstruct it.
22:18Inquiry is simple knowing. It's happening. You know it's happening.
22:22Don't you know when your bladder is full? Or do you need to inquire?
22:25Don't you know when your bladder is full? Or do you know when your bladder is full?
22:36Like a lot of control has to be made to basically even think over such things.
22:44Like you don't have to think over these things. These things are there.
22:47Thinking impedes the observation. You just have to see directly, openly, as it is, without thinking.
22:56It is obvious.
23:00The fellow is lying. It's obvious what's there to be thought of. I am lying. It's obvious.
23:05I want to sleep. So a lot of supportive thoughts start coming. It's obvious why those thoughts are
23:14coming, where they are coming from. I want to sleep.
23:16I want to sleep. So you know I am right now thinking that this big thing is such an energy
23:30drainer and it's coming from some damn power plant, maybe coal fired. So it is amounting to climate change.
23:39For the sake of climate change, let's all go to sleep.
23:42The fact is, I just want to sleep. Climate change has nothing to do with it.
23:47And I should be the first one, probably the only one to clearly know where all my arguments are
23:53coming from. I am a liar. I just want to sleep. And man, the beast that he is,
24:00does not want many things beyond all this. Sleep, sex, security, food.
24:05Whatsoever you are saying or doing is for the sake of only these four or five things.
24:12Even the richest person on the planet ever, whatsoever he is doing, he is doing only for
24:17these things. Nothing else. The argument might be coming from a very sublime place.
24:21The fellow might be a great philosopher. So the argument might be put in the most eloquent and
24:27sophisticated way possible. But still, the whole thing amounts to only this. Sleep, sex,
24:34food, security, and the other kind of nonsense. That's all.
24:45Sir, but how are you like, okay, like you, like I saw a fact for me,
24:48but how can I say that this is a fact for others as well?
24:51Sir, you don't, you don't need to think of others. The others are much the same as you are if you
24:56observe them. But to observe others, first of all, you must have your own eyes that observe with
25:02honesty. So observe yourself first. Even if others are to be observed, that will be with your eyes,
25:11right? So these have to be cleaned up. Honesty, honesty.
25:15Rob yourself, strip yourself down of any pretense of respectability.
25:28We should know we are all just bastards. That's all. Full stop.
25:34All the time we are lying to ourselves, cheating on our own life,
25:39depriving ourselves of what we deserve to be. And yet we strut as if we are somebody.
25:56Have you not seen all the respectable ones? How with puffed chests they prance around?
26:02We are just little pieces of shit. Moving around for a few years and then we drop dead. Full stop.
26:16What's the seers of Vedanta? Let's not talk of them. Let's not talk of them.
26:22Let's not talk of ourselves, the way we are.
26:35So you must understand, we must take care of climate change. Therefore, it is time to close the session.
26:42Otherwise, so much carbon is being released into the atmosphere.
26:44The gases from our elementary Kalal, they carry carbon dioxide, even methane.
26:53More than one of our friends from the audience have been farting.
26:59So this session is amounting to climate disaster. We'll all go to sleep now to save the planet.
27:06That's the kind of bullshit we are. Liars, deceivers, betrayers of our own destiny.
27:27Yes, sir. That's it.
27:36Now
27:44Let's see now, let's see now, down in the other part.
27:47Let's get to listen.
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