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Martin Scorsese Presents The Saints Season 1 Episode 5
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00:00These are stories of the Saints.
00:30Before Francis of Assisi stepped into God's light, he was a wastrel, fond of partying, the
00:47very pampered son of a wealthy Umbrian merchant.
00:55When Francis was 20 years old, escalating tensions with the neighboring city of Perugia threatened
01:02to erupt into a major war.
01:06Like most young men from prosperous families at the time, Francis longed to prove his manhood
01:12and his bravery on the battlefield.
01:15Fellow citizens, they took what they liked from our harvest, the stocks from our shelves,
01:27they took what they liked from our earnings.
01:30We stood up to them, let us never forget that, and we won.
01:35We were granted what was wrathfully ours.
01:38And now these vermin are coming back for us again.
01:44We will fight them again, and we will beat them again!
01:48To battle!
01:49To battle!
01:50To battle!
01:51To battle!
01:56Now the fighting was nothing like what Francis imagined.
02:03Medieval warfare was chaotic, unsparingly brutal.
02:07We were hacked apart, speared, gutted, left to die with daylight.
02:36Turns out, Assisi was routed by the Perugians.
02:41Francis survived, but he was taken prisoner, and he was held for ransom.
02:49I can't get warm.
02:50I can't.
02:51Don't touch me!
02:52Don't touch me!
02:53Help!
02:54Help!
02:55There is a diseased man among us.
02:56Are you all right, Francis?
02:57This man Francis is sick.
02:58Tell his father to pay the ransom.
03:00You're burning up.
03:01When will your ransom be paid?
03:02I don't know.
03:03When will your ransom be paid?
03:04I don't know.
03:05My father is stubborn.
03:06What about you?
03:07I don't know.
03:08My father is stubborn.
03:09What about you?
03:10My mother would have to do a year.
03:11He's sick.
03:12He's sick.
03:13Tell his father to pay the ransom.
03:17He's sick.
03:18You're or paramedic.
03:20You're burning up.
03:25When will your ransom be paid?
03:28JOHN FIDELES – I don't know.
03:30My father is stubborn.
03:33What about you?
03:36My mother would have to do a year's washing to pay a soldier's ransom.
03:43My master wouldn't pay a dime for me.
03:47He's a man of a city.
03:51Who? Which family?
03:55His. His father is my master.
04:05After a year of suffering and misery,
04:07Francis' family finally paid his ransom.
04:13And I signed.
04:25What have they done to you?
04:37He returned, but he was broken in body and spirit.
04:41So he worked at his father's fabric business,
04:45but he was a changed man.
04:47Francis went searching.
04:49He went wandering the countryside.
04:53What was he searching for?
04:57Meaning in his life.
05:01What he found was a rundown chapel on the outskirts of town.
05:07I know.
05:09I know.
05:13I know.
05:15I know.
05:17I know.
05:25I know.
05:27I know.
05:29I know.
05:31I don't know.
06:01Princess, don't you see that my house is being destroyed?
06:25Go then and repel it for me.
06:44You could say that Francis spent the rest of his life interpreting the message of God
06:48which he received at the abandoned church of San Damiano.
06:55The first step was to return the place to a house of worship, but that cost money.
07:03And Francis got it by stealing imported fabrics from his father's exchange and selling them
07:08for gold.
07:16Father, thank you for coming.
07:24I'm Francis from Assisi.
07:26I know who you are, the son of Bernardone, the fabric merchant.
07:32Yes, it's me.
07:34Why have you brought me to this place?
07:39I am giving this gift to you to begin repairs of the church and to keep a lamp burning before
07:46the image of our Savior.
07:48Will you do this?
07:50Why?
07:51I was visited by the Lord and he instructed me to rebuild the church.
08:05So please, you must do this.
08:07Please.
08:08I won't touch this money.
08:11And I'll make sure to tell your father that he's raised a scoundrel.
08:18What?
08:20You will not accept money for Mother Church after the Lord spoke to me?
08:25I don't know who's been speaking to you, but it's certainly not the Lord.
08:34Pick up the money.
08:35You know you'll go hunting for it after I'm out of sight.
08:41An abomination.
08:44Thivory is an abomination.
08:49Repent!
08:51To Francis' father, his son's theft was an insult and a betrayal.
08:58So much so that he brought the matter before the Bishop of Assisi.
09:01Your father, Pietro di Bernardone, has accused you of stealing from him.
09:08Do you admit this or deny it?
09:11I admit it freely.
09:14I gave dead money to a priest for the repair of the Chapel of San Damien.
09:20My son, your father is rightfully angry and scandalized.
09:26Give him back what you stole from him and ask for his forgiveness.
09:33I would like to return to my father at what his wrathfully is.
09:56From here on I will serve God and only God, and all of his children in need.
10:03Here before me are goods, rightfully mine, valued at exactly the amount you seek from me in compensation.
10:09Here before me are goods, rightfully mine, valued at exactly the amount you seek from me in compensation.
10:30Your forgiveness I will not seek.
10:45Forgiveness is not a legal matter.
10:49It lives in the soul.
10:53It lives in God.
10:58Someone bring something to cover this child of God.
11:06I will give you my own cape, my son, but I'm afraid you will refuse it.
11:36I will give you my own cape, my son, but I will give you my own cape.
11:49I will give you my own cape.
11:54I will give you my own cape.
12:00I will give you my own cape.
12:24Princess.
12:29You must love and sustain yourself so that you can love and sustain others.
12:42Francis centered and grounded himself by spending time in nature.
12:50He found divine inspiration in every facet of God's creation.
12:56My brother Burtz.
13:03Praise your creator.
13:07Love him always.
13:10He clothed you with feathers.
13:13He gave you wings to fly.
13:15Among all his creatures he made you free.
13:18He gave you the purity of the air.
13:22He gave you the purity of the air.
13:35Where do you want these?
13:38Oh, and just put them there.
13:40There.
13:45What a marvel.
13:48What a joy.
13:49God be praised.
13:50You truly have done as God asked you to do, Francis.
13:56God bless you.
13:57food.
13:58How are you?
13:59How are you?
14:01How are you?
14:03How are you?
14:05I am.
14:11Francis, my house needs to be rebuilt.
14:39Rebuild my house.
14:41Out of my way, please.
15:07I didn't mean to stand in your way.
15:09If you have something for me, then throw it to the ground.
15:14I have nothing. I'm sorry.
15:17If you have no arms for me, then please, move on.
15:22Why?
15:23You didn't hear my bell.
15:25I have nothing.
15:26I'm sorry.
15:28I'm sorry.
15:30I'm sorry.
15:32I'm sorry.
15:32I'm sorry.
15:33It's been 16 years.
16:03Yes. Since I was embraced.
16:08You found the brother now.
16:11Yes.
16:26Yes.
16:30Come. Come.
16:33This is your house.
16:38The church.
16:40Not a building made of stone.
16:43Not a hierarchy of priests and deacons.
16:47But the way of Jesus.
16:49That became the basis of a new order.
16:57Word of Francis' beliefs spread throughout the countryside, and more and more brothers joined.
17:15The order kept growing.
17:19The kingdom of heaven is near.
17:28The kingdom of heaven is near.
17:42Heal the sick ones.
17:49Raise the dead.
17:51Wash the lepers.
17:52And just cast out all the devils.
18:00And give.
18:02Give as freely as we receive.
18:06Never wear gold or silver.
18:10Never hoard money away.
18:12We don't need it.
18:18Make these the words of the Lord.
18:22More than just words.
18:24Francis rejected the very idea of a hierarchy or a leadership.
18:34He thought and spoke of himself, and he acted as the equal of his fellow brothers.
18:40And his only directive, and his only directive was to follow the way of Jesus.
18:49But as the order continued to grow, different temperaments came into play.
18:54More than just words, the only means, and your lord has to처럼 in which十分.
19:03And the divine believes, and principles of Christianity were about to grow through the ork 많ans.
19:09We started to work.
19:10We started to get to the right, and then the release, and we came to the eye.
19:17SoonFace was born through the Roman Empire.
19:20He fitted against the old man in high school.
19:23A happyeyah and a rich man have been decided on.
19:24A young woman from a noble family who had run away from home.
19:54She came to visit Francis, to join his order.
20:00Her name was Clare, who later became a saint as revered as Francis, Clare of Assisi, a companion
20:10in the way of Jesus, a beloved friend, possibly his most beloved friend.
20:20Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
20:30I have fought on this for many days and nights.
20:34By giving away everything we have, we find that we lack for nothing.
20:39What a great endless joy.
20:43Have I said something wrong, Brother Francis?
20:50No.
20:52No.
20:53No, your joy gives me such joy.
21:01It reminds me of my own joy when I saw the way of the light.
21:09Brother Francis, I must tell you this.
21:13Your joy will wither away like a cut flower.
21:20On a day when work will seem too hard.
21:26When someone curses you for the bread you give them, or when you feel a dryness in your heart,
21:36doubt, it will come.
21:43Doubt.
21:44Doubt's not evil.
21:49We have to embrace it.
21:52It's a human response to the infinite mystery of life.
21:58It will come and go.
22:04But you can't just follow my words.
22:08You have to live it all.
22:11And it takes so much courage, Claire.
22:14I pray that you will see your faith shine through everything burning brighter and brighter.
22:22Do you understand?
22:25I understand.
22:27Yes.
22:28I understand.
22:31I do.
22:33There's so much.
22:37There's so much to be done to make this a holy Christian world.
22:44In the summer of 1219, Francis decided to undertake a long and fraught journey to join the fifth crusade in Egypt.
22:59That's where the Christian army was preparing the way to retaking Jerusalem.
23:06Francis was attempting something unthinkable, impossible, and actually suicidal.
23:13To convert the Saracen Muslim leader to Christianity.
23:21To a man as devout as Francis, the conversion of the known world to Christianity was the ultimate goal.
23:33This was sanctified by God.
23:36But when Francis arrived in Egypt, he witnessed a shocking scene that just complicated the picture.
23:49I watched a lot of the world to get in the end of the world to the world to stop by and death i was gonna kill him.
24:04Oh, my God.
24:34Francis did go to speak with Sultan al-Malik al-Kamil,
24:52who was the nephew of the great leader Saladin.
24:56But the accounts differ wildly.
24:59He might have been beaten and forced to walk over crosses.
25:02Or he might have been kidnapped by the Saracens.
25:06Or he might have met the Sultan by accident.
25:09But it's certain that they did meet.
25:12That they spoke.
25:15And that the outcome of their meeting surprised both of them.
25:26Your Excellency.
25:29My name is Francis.
25:30Francis, I am a brother in God.
25:36I have come with the Christian warriors.
25:40And I am a Christian, but not a warrior.
25:43I chose to travel here from Assisi, which is a very small town, very far away, to appear before you without weapons or without soldiers behind me.
25:58And to speak from my heart, which is with God, and to humbly ask you to join me in my faith, the Christian faith, because it's the only straight road to salvation.
26:15I will testify to you, because I have seen the light of God with my eyes as a young man.
26:26And I came to understand that the way of God is the way of love.
26:32God is the way of love, there is the way of love, there is no choice.
26:35It is the way of peace.
26:38It is the way of peace.
26:40Peace.
26:41Peace.
26:42Yes.
26:43Have you come here as a representative of the Christian army?
26:45No, I've not.
26:46So when you speak of peace, it's not in any kind of official capacity.
26:50I only speak as a man of God who follows the way of Jesus.
26:52In my faith, Jesus is considered to be peace.
26:54Peace.
26:55Peace.
26:56Yes.
26:57Have you come here as a representative of the Christian army?
26:58No, I've not.
26:59So when you speak of peace, it's not in any kind of official capacity?
27:04I only speak as a man of God who follows the way of Jesus.
27:11In my faith, Jesus is considered to be a great, unholy man.
27:20He is.
27:21The Christian soldiers, they have not come in peace.
27:32Then again, how could they?
27:36They're soldiers fighting a war.
27:43How often do you pray, Brother Francis?
27:50I pray with each breath.
27:57I pray five times every day of my life.
28:02I pray to be delivered from waging war.
28:09But that prayer hasn't been answered.
28:12As you can see.
28:16I have been to war.
28:19But I've never had to send other men to battle.
28:23What a heavy burden you carry.
28:31This is not something I would speak of to most people.
28:36But I've told you because I see that you're a man of the greatest faith.
28:40My advisors, they, uh, they told me of your coming and they warned me that you would, uh, attempt to convert me.
28:55And they suggested that I have you executed, if you did.
28:58If you did.
29:11I have always been prepared to die for my faith.
29:16I'm ready to die now.
29:17I decided not to act on your suggestion.
29:28You will allow me to keep speaking, Your Excellency?
29:30Of conversion, no.
29:35Of yourself.
29:37Yes.
29:42I see with the eyes of my faith.
29:46As it is for you.
29:48With your faith.
29:50Yes?
29:51Yes.
30:04You're disappointed I've denied you martyrdom, I think.
30:21My vanity.
30:25Is a terrible thing.
30:28My friend.
30:30To condemn me to death would be an evil reward to bestow on a man who risked death.
30:35To save my life before the God of his faith.
30:41And we both know that martyrdom is a paltry thing compared to the glory of life.
30:51Yes, it's true.
30:58Yes, it's true.
31:00It's true.
31:04Francis' disappointment in himself was bitter.
31:08He judged himself a complete failure.
31:12He returned to Italy discouraged and physically debilitated.
31:17His vision was severely impaired by trachoma.
31:22In two days, Brother Francis, after you've rested, we will have the assembly of the order.
31:27Oh, yes, yes.
31:30Has it grown since I was gone?
31:33In the thousands now.
31:36Thousands?
31:38Never counted.
31:40With so many, there are now so many new problems.
31:51Our only responsibility is to God.
31:58Why, old man?
32:00This is Francis.
32:02Francis!
32:04Brother Francis, please forgive me.
32:07I forgive you, of course.
32:09Look out.
32:10And see all the men assembled here.
32:12And there are many more than this.
32:13You planted a seed and a great tree grew.
32:18And now?
32:19I will speak now.
32:23But not as a founder.
32:25But as a fellow brother.
32:27I hear you speaking to each other with such hatred and resentment that I find myself without the will to impose myself on you or make any judgment.
32:44Near the end of his life, as illness ravaged his body and doubt shattered his soul, a vision came to Francis. An angelic vision.
32:58Divine Jesus, let me come closer to you. So that my heart, with its tenderest affections, may acknowledge your infinite love. That my memory may dwell in the mysteries.
33:28Claire?
33:42You're troubled, my brother.
33:50I failed.
33:52At everything I set out to do.
33:55The brothers are at odds with each other.
33:59I saw our faith violated by our own holy crusaders.
34:04I failed to convert the Sultan.
34:17But on the ship coming home I had a strange thought.
34:20And I might still become a father.
34:26I would renounce my vows, Claire.
34:41I was even denied martyrdom.
34:43Why?
34:44Why would anyone want to deprive the world of you?
34:46Because it's the faith that's important, not my miserable life.
34:51I deserve to just linger here and die in darkness.
35:16Lord.
35:17All I have ever wanted in this life must stay on your path.
35:26Most High.
35:28All-powerful.
35:29All-good Lord.
35:31All praise is yours.
35:33All glory.
35:34All honor.
35:35And all blessing.
35:36To you alone, Most High, do they belong.
35:40No mortal lips are worthy to pronounce your name.
35:44Be praised, my Lord.
35:47Through all you creatures.
35:49Especially through my Lord, brother's son.
35:52Who brings the day and you give light through him.
35:55And he is beautiful and radiant in all his splendor.
35:59Of you Most High, he bears the likeness.
36:29To your youth.
36:30To your heart.
36:31To your heart.
36:33To your heart.
36:34To your heart.
36:42Yes.
36:43Creation.
36:45Later on, Creation.
36:46Francis has become one of the more sentimental saints in a sense.
36:50saints in a sense his life for me more than any of the saint raises the question of and what does
36:58it mean really to follow the way of jesus but the real francis i mean i think we've domesticated him
37:04we've domesticated him he's charming he's in a little statue in our gardens and he likes the
37:08birds but the real francis the one we see in this film you know is a really radical guy who talked
37:13about radical poverty he's the one of all the saints who most closely follow christ i had a
37:18professor at university who liked to point out that one of the gospels has blessed are the poor
37:25and another of the gospels has blessed are the poor in spirit right and for this professor the whole
37:31story of catholicism is the tension between blessed are the poor and blessed are the poor in spirit
37:37that between the literal taking poverty seriously and the more figurative thinking of poverty as a
37:43metaphor where even a man living in a palace can say i'm poor because i'm celibate or whatever
37:48yeah and francis more than anybody else blessed are the poor dante depicted francis as having a
37:54romance with lady poverty and that poverty was his bride incredible you know material poverty uh is
38:01an evil i mean the fact that people are living as refugees and poor but the people who choose to
38:05live simply and who choose not to participate in a a world of things and a world of objects is very
38:11threatening to people i think that's why francis is was and is threatening um still today we think
38:18of francis as being the person who most perfectly imitated christ is that how you put it so i know
38:24i forget that it was a conversion that he started off someplace else that he had to witness the violence
38:30of war the loneliness of imprisonment and the despair of being shunned by his own family before he had to
38:36get to the place where he's preaching to the birds loving all creation and living as a mendicant that
38:43i'm just not used to think of him as a convert really but it's so powerful to see dramatized but i think i mean
38:48each of the saints goes through a certain kind of conversion francis is you know his father's a
38:52cloth merchant one of the reasons he's named francesco is because the father apparently went
38:56to france and loved all french things right so he's very traveled he's very cultured and he eventually
39:01finds that like a lot of the saints do uh empty right and then he sees he sees a better way and then
39:08god ratifies all that through the through the visions through the voices and ultimately through the
39:12stigmata which is the first time that happens in the lives of the saints how many stigmatas have
39:18there been hard to say not many so for people who don't quite understand it it's experiencing
39:24physically the wounds of christ and people might say well that that sounds masochistic but you know
39:29on the on the part of the saints it's the desire to be as closely united with christ as possible and
39:34it's it's something that has always been sort of obviously controversial but i think in terms of the
39:39stigmata francis and the others who've had it it has to do i think with the spiritual change
39:45in the person that it's a kind of spiritual transcendence and expresses itself through
39:51through the through um the flesh and blood well the the supernatural is natural in ways
39:57exactly don't understand yes we don't know but what do we know we should know that we don't know
40:05you know constantly things are being discovered and constantly being analyzed and there's new forms of
40:10matter and dark matter and that sort of thing we don't really know the philosopher charles taylor
40:14talks about moving out of an enchanted world right that the world is kind of disenchanted and so when
40:20people hear stories about the stigmata or miracles that they're they don't have as many people don't
40:24have as much experience with it and so it's it's very off-putting and it can really shut people off
40:29from the life of christ one has to understand that the mind is finite this is the issue the mind is
40:35finite but consciousness is all of this it kind of cuts off uh the search in a way this has to do
40:42with the sense of conviction we know everything yes what do we know that's mine it's also it's also
40:48you don't have to know anything to practice faith i mean in a way the most right the most radical thing
40:54that any of us do and i tell my students this all the time is to hope but that's what francis
41:01teaches us to do and that thing of trying to live moment to moment and lean into the light
41:08wherever it comes on just no matter what you call it or what you name it or because i think people
41:14think in order to read about the saints or learn about the saints you have to be catholic or you have
41:18to sign up but it's not about doctrine is it it's about what you do that's true if you look at the
41:25stories in the life of francis that are part of the historical record they're so extraordinary that
41:31they would strain credulity so he lives to 44. you figure he is in his late teens early 20s when he has
41:37the whole conversion experience so in about 20 years he changes his way of life radically gathers
41:44several thousand people who have resolved to live the same way somehow gains an audience with the sultan
41:50has this conversation that takes things to a new place gets back to italy and then has the stigmata
41:56that's so extraordinary 20 years like nobody's ever lived plus starting an order that is still around
42:02today yes exactly right after the pope was elected uh cardinal from brazil cardinal humace uh leaned over
42:08and said to him don't forget the poor and then when he went out on the balcony he chose the name francis
42:14first pope ever to choose that name to me it's amazing that no pope has ever been named
42:19francis it is because yeah the closest that they came to anybody acting like francis was celestine
42:25the fifth who they got rid of in two weeks two weeks but i think if that's his order did build up
42:32and he did come back and he was a little concerned as they say about the nature of what was happening
42:38and um they sort of echo the greater conflicts between worldly power spiritual understanding
42:46uh discipline and freedom i don't know is this is this because of just so many people joining the
42:51order and it's natural at that time to want to sort of start a religious order and so religious order
42:56starts but francis is as they say the charismatic founder right he's not the one to kind of organize
43:01the religious order he doesn't want to organize a religious order he doesn't want them to have
43:05anything there's a story i think of the little flowers that they start to build a house and he takes the
43:10tiles off the roof you know francis's order uh eventually doesn't know what to do with him
43:15because it in a sense it goes in a different direction and he in a sense he he he's too radical
43:21to have people follow him but the franciscans let me say the franciscans are wonderful and do their best
43:26to follow uh saint francis but you need you need organization you need rules you need structures
43:31yeah i know to do anything it's no surprise that he wasn't really able to be a bureaucrat as well
43:36as being francis the faceci that's the word right he's not francis the bureaucrat i mean you have so
43:43many saints who seem to be like a failure right in their in their earthly lives um even jesus i mean
43:48from an earthly standpoint right apart from the resurrection his mission at the end seems like
43:54a failure yes right so there are a lot of things like that and and there are a lot of saints who start
43:58religious orders who have uh disbanded now but it's i think god looks at failure and success a lot
44:04differently i hope so i know so
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