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00:00:00hey everybody welcome here we go it is hanging left episode 11 uh my name is matt connerton and
00:00:08of course uh todd air is uh here my partner in crime in this venture hello todd hey how you doing
00:00:13very well and uh jenny jen coffee or i know where is jenny of course is with us as well
00:00:19hey jenny hello hello uh hey jen welcome to the show yeah this is uh first one of these we've done
00:00:28in a while and i know todd you said uh obviously you've been very busy i have been and and you
00:00:34know i did want to apologize to our to our listeners and our followers um you know i've
00:00:38been on the campaign trail and really i think the other thing that really kind of threw us off which
00:00:43we're going to like talk about um in this episode to some extent is you know the shutdown and sort
00:00:49of how to handle that so being the public affairs person for another campaign or for a campaign i
00:00:55should say congressional campaign sarah chasinski i had to kind of stop and pivot and really like
00:01:00direct things and in that way you know it was a lot of like all hands on deck like you know immediate
00:01:08communication type situations so unfortunately i every time i thought i was going to have time to
00:01:14like uh broadcast here with my partner in crime here matt uh some emergency would come up as it as
00:01:20it always does in our in our world yeah yeah no doubt well it's not like much has been going on
00:01:25anyway no i'm kidding no obviously but uh well in in a sense for for what 41 days uh a lot wasn't
00:01:35uh happening necessarily i guess if you're the government a lot wasn't happening you're right
00:01:39yeah the longest uh the longest shutdown in american history um over uh of course uh you know the democrats
00:01:47uh digging in about um about uh the obamacare subsidies and then uh in the end uh yielding
00:01:54uh really nothing uh in in my view um i'm not i'm not sure how you feel about that that part todd i
00:02:01know i certainly know how jenny feels i i don't know how you feel about it because we haven't
00:02:05talked about that directly but um uh to me it's uh pretty it's all pretty disappointing it's like
00:02:12well what was the you know i i mean obviously i agree with uh extending the obamacare subsidies but
00:02:19i have no idea what the point was of this whole exercise with the government shutdown just to
00:02:23walk away with uh nothing other than what did schumer say maybe possibly someday hopefully
00:02:30we can get the republicans to give us what we want even though we all know it's never going to happen
00:02:35but whatever i'm chuck schumer and i'm part of the establishment and so yeah i mean i from the i guess
00:02:42electorate standpoint i can certainly see how it would be disappointing and even from you know i
00:02:49wear so many hats from my activist side of things it certainly was disappointing um that said i do think
00:02:55that it brought the the issue of of health care and universal health care specifically to the table
00:03:03a lot a lot more um gave it a lot more media coverage um i do think it was also good that we were
00:03:11able to accept for i guess i don't know whatever you want to call them the hateful eight um we were
00:03:18we were able to get a lot of people that weren't so strongly on board with supporting you know the
00:03:24more progressive or leftist side of things and and and move that needle and move that temperature more
00:03:30in the direction we wanted it to move so i think that's good and we got public opinions on our side
00:03:35so i think that's all those are all wins um now do i like that the eight people and unfortunately
00:03:45specifically the eight uh two of those people being centered my own senators here in new hampshire
00:03:49um folding no i don't uh i don't think it was the right move it's not the move i would have made
00:03:55yeah it's not the move my candidate would have made and it's really not the move any of of the
00:04:01political candidates that i know of running currently for cd1 would have would have made
00:04:06but at the end of the day i think that um you know i i want to kind of celebrate the wins and the
00:04:13wins are that it's definitely even more so in the forefront i mean it always was but it's more so in
00:04:18the forefront now um you know i think it spelled out a little more clearly that we have a lot more
00:04:24allies than we do adversaries in this fight so that's positive and um i think it also called out
00:04:31those that didn't vote i mean i think that was important i mean it let people know i mean even
00:04:36if it was a political move on on many of their parts to to keep on holding with the shutdown even
00:04:43if schumer and hakeem jeffries were like yeah let's let's keep doing that because they were getting
00:04:47pressure from the from the electorate and from activists at the end of the day i mean you know it
00:04:53was a good thing it means that to me it means we do have power you know we do have um some sway
00:05:00here and i think you know this is a let's wait and see because uh we're probably going to be doing
00:05:07the same song and dance on january and i think at that moment um you know right now we're telling
00:05:13people they'll feel pain but by january they really will feel pain so you know i think we'll get even
00:05:18more traction that way so from a from a political standpoint it might even give us you know a more of
00:05:23a launching pad but we'll have to see i mean you know this is not a simple issue um but yeah i mean
00:05:28if it was my vote i would have voted keep keep the keep it shut down until they move the way we want
00:05:34them to move and if it was uh the candidates vote that i do public affairs for she would have voted
00:05:39the same but um you know but i also don't want to make this 100 a bashing session about um my you
00:05:50know my my candidates future colleagues and even current colleagues in many respects because she does
00:05:54activism in in congress um you know we do have to work with these people i think it's important to
00:06:00hold them accountable but at the same time i think you know they know what we feel they know what we
00:06:05think and um i would like to you know put a call out to them and say okay fine if i am to give you the
00:06:13benefit of doubt then let's do some town halls and let's do some some um open forums where you don't
00:06:20have to be heckled as a matter of fact people will actually you know you're there to talk about
00:06:25the subject because this is near and dear to a lot of people's hearts uh well we do have a video to
00:06:30play about jenny did you want to uh did you want to comment on any of that before we go to the video
00:06:33um respectfully i couldn't disagree with you more we've won absolutely nothing we've gained
00:06:39absolutely nothing there's no wins out of this mess there are going to be thousands of people who
00:06:45are going to die yes we're going to face another shutdown in january but that has nothing to do
00:06:50with the fact that millions of people are going to lose their health insurance cause january 1st
00:06:55because they can no longer afford to have it and that the people who are supposed to be fighting for
00:07:02us chose to literally give up they did the same thing during the budget fight when it was the budget
00:07:10fight and they had some actual meat they had some power to fight back for us to stop the cuts to
00:07:17medicare to stop the cuts to medicaid to stop the cuts to all of this to fight back they caved they
00:07:26gave in they voted for a tremendously horrible budget that is literally killing people has killed people
00:07:34is killing people and will kill countless more the hateful or whatever pretty nickname we want to give
00:07:43them i don't care about nicknames right i know that my senators didn't listen to the people who were
00:07:50who filled up their voicemail senator shaheen's voicemail was old people couldn't leave messages why do
00:07:57i know that because we were all calling senator hassan they did not listen to us when we begged them
00:08:05don't give up on this one thing never has it happened and go back and look all these threats of
00:08:13shutdowns and whatnot it's not been the democratic side saying shut it down it's been don't do that
00:08:21until now until we reach such the pinnacle point in our history right now where the country has
00:08:29literally been raped of the safety nets that save people's lives and to further that damage these same
00:08:37people who are already suffering will now go without health care next year children will go without chemo
00:08:42women will go without breast centers people will go without their insulin i know somebody who's rationed
00:08:48their insulin and talked to me about it oh 35 a bottle well if you need seven a month and you can't
00:08:56afford that right no and jenny no one's now we've now we've exacerbated this and it's going to get
00:09:03potentially worse and i would like one person to tell me what piece of leverage you've got left
00:09:09to give people back the health care that they're going to need to live because from where i sit there's
00:09:16nothing left yeah i i agree with that i i mean i i understand that sentiment i mean i guess what i'm
00:09:23saying is that um you know it was you know other than those two senators and i by no means give them
00:09:30a pass as a matter of fact i called them out on my facebook yeah um you know and and i think they
00:09:35should be called out but my only point that i was trying to make and i i don't know if it came across
00:09:40is that yes it's kind of like what i say when i say that we hate trump stuff right so like yes
00:09:48everybody hates trump we all agree on that right so let's move on and get rid of him and try to find
00:09:53solutions to you know do what it is we need to do rather than just spend our days trump bashing so
00:09:59right i'm not doing that oh no i'm not saying that at all i am not saying that at all jenny
00:10:05this is about bashing them this is about what's literally i agree with you in this moment yeah
00:10:11right right and i understand and i hear your passion and i hear the emotion in your voice
00:10:15and i know this is like a serious personal emotional issue that's why we offered that's
00:10:19why i wanted to have you on today i think that's important it's an important narrative this is not
00:10:23emotion this is my lifetime right i was first i was first given a citation when i was 17 years old
00:10:31from the massachusetts house of representatives for trying to save lives that's all i've done
00:10:36for my lifetime my 50 some odd years on this absolutely it's not about emotion it's about
00:10:44dealing with the hard cold facts of reality of the situation that we are in and that we have now
00:10:51given up the only leverage we had to save lives and we can't get that back unless a miracle occurs
00:10:58so i don't know it was a guaranteed vote in the senate a vote not that there'd be a matching vote
00:11:05in the house not that that trump would sign it there was no guarantee of anything outside of the senate
00:11:11saying we'll give you a we'll give you a vote and that was enough to get eight senators
00:11:18to sell out our lives and our lives are worth more this is not emotion this is the reality of the
00:11:27fact that the decisions that have been made at this point are going to cost thousands and thousands
00:11:33of lives and countless years of suffering for individuals who pay every day into this system
00:11:42with their hard-earned tax dollars those medicare tax dollars that are now going to the insurance
00:11:49companies while they sit there and go oh we're going to cut waste fraud and abuse and medicare
00:11:54you see what i'm saying here this reality that we're living in is beyond anything we've ever
00:12:02faced before politics as usual is out the window oh absolutely absolutely and and i think that i guess
00:12:08my point was you have to take inventory of where you are in that in that on that uh game board so
00:12:16people like um you know politicians are in a different slot in a different place than someone like
00:12:24yourself like an activist or just an electorate that is affected personally by this and the game
00:12:28we have to play whether it's great or not and i don't think it's a great game but the game that
00:12:33we have to play to make sure that we're not shut out is we do have to even listen to the voices we
00:12:39don't want to listen to and it's not you know what i'm saying like i can't we have to be like
00:12:45we've got to talk to the other side and reach them where they're at no and i'm not i don't mean the
00:12:49other side i mean within our group i'm saying like i have to so right on my side i have to
00:12:57try to do something to encourage them to sit at the table and see my side right because if all i do is
00:13:04call them out i think that's great i mean i was i think we've seen that in droves as of lately
00:13:10go to any 50 51 protest you'll see every other group there absolutely personally have been involved
00:13:15in countless training sessions and gathering absolutely with so many organizations across this
00:13:22country i'm proud of the fact that i am seeing people's action and popular democracy and indivisible
00:13:29and 50 51 and all of these or my own organization right democracy all working together in a way that
00:13:36they have not done before right but i'm going further than that and that we are going to get
00:13:41nowhere if we do not talk to the other side we have to oh absolutely but we get nothing
00:13:48so i look at it this way you read it's a perfect example we can have a conversation with her over
00:13:53health care right we can't think we could but we can't know we've got absolutely we can reach her
00:13:58where she's at over her children just like we might be able to reach your neighbor who is a die-hard
00:14:04republican because they're watching their grandmother going through this or they're watching their other
00:14:09right loved one go through people are reachable in health care in a way that they're not absolutely
00:14:15areas right which is why it's you know one of the reasons i mean one of the main issues is that it's
00:14:20a serious issue and it needs to be dealt with but that's also why it's you know from the standpoint of
00:14:25of moving the temperature and moving the the needle it's it's a it's it works i mean it is something
00:14:32that's universal universal health care literally is a universal issue it affects you whether you are
00:14:37republican democrat whatever it affects you if you're black or brown affects you if you're gay
00:14:41or straight health care is health care we all need health care so the only thing about that i want
00:14:45caveat i would add to your comment is this those decision makers those senators oh no no their health
00:14:52care is not health care as health care yeah their health care is cadillac coverage health care that
00:14:59they get for the rest of their lives tell me another job you only put six years in and you get
00:15:04guaranteed cadillac health care for the rest of your lives every senator and every congress critter
00:15:10should be on medicare period end of discussion you make medicare the best for everybody and you be on
00:15:16the same policy but that's not what we're dealing with we're dealing with millionaires many of these
00:15:21people in the senate in the house are millionaires they don't live in the same world we live in they
00:15:27don't operate in our world they don't give a shit about having a copay what do they care about
00:15:32seventy five dollar copay to see a specialist they make over a hundred thousand dollars a year
00:15:36two hundred three hundred thousand dollars a year but for you and me seventy five dollars for a
00:15:41specialist it's half a week's groceries or these days maybe two days last time i went grocery shop
00:15:48and i walked out with one package of meat i spent over two hundred dollars and i was trying to fix the
00:15:53entire way home and i didn't even buy like cat food or anything like that we're it's so their role
00:16:00so drastically different than ours and when they make decisions like this and we don't call them
00:16:06out for it absolutely and i think but what i guess maybe i should maybe i should clarify so i am i
00:16:14personally am in a position where basically like this fight to me is a fight that is going to help
00:16:21all of us but i am not fighting personally for my own personal situation nor my family's personal
00:16:28situation i mean i am in a position where i still do have health care right so there are people out
00:16:33there that are in positions that still have health care that still are in a um socioeconomic status
00:16:39quite a few actually that are angry and want this moved over and so what i'm saying is
00:16:44let's all at least stick with i i think you know it's dangerous to start making enemies of literally
00:16:53everyone other than quote unquote the workers you know because you need some of these people in
00:16:59management you need some of these people in leadership you need some of these people
00:17:03that have that are decision makers to get on our side i you know what do you mean by that
00:17:09what do i mean by that so you say that what do you mean by that or what are you disagreeing with in
00:17:14regards to how i no no i think that so what i mean okay i'll explain so what i mean jenny is that
00:17:22i myself for instance like i have a direct like connection to pappas goodlander um you know so so
00:17:31in that way i guess i'm i'm luckier than most right like i can go talk to these people in person and
00:17:35they will listen to me so you know i had a conversation with them personally about the
00:17:40health care situation and they did vote i don't i'm not going to sit here and say it was all oh just
00:17:45because of me i mean there were many of us that had that so you know it's not that i'm like
00:17:50exactly at their level but i have a little at least i have their ear in the conversations that
00:17:55you've had for example with pappas what are those conversations god in regards for say example
00:18:02medicare advantage so so right now um he's he's moving to this direction like he but but unfortunately
00:18:13he has to be with the other people again i don't work for pappas so i'm not here like i can't tell
00:18:19you the countless numbers of people that have been flown to dc just so they can be at his office
00:18:26and speak to his people or or to hassans or to shaheed people come from all across the country and
00:18:33they travel to dc begging their legislators to listen to them when their legislators answer that
00:18:39with a form letter that gives a generic answer of their solid support for medicare advantage
00:18:45after a slew of people have gone in there and said this is the harm that's happening to us
00:18:51should we still try to be friends or should we call them out on that no absolutely this isn't okay
00:18:57so again what i'm trying to say is like for instance if it what the place you're in and who
00:19:05you are and what your position is matters on how you handle it so if someone like myself or even
00:19:13people like you know people that are running for congress in the senate right now if those people
00:19:20it's about sort of like your equity right and you have your reputational equity and you have this like
00:19:26equity and and ability to move the needle your your your power equity basically so if i take my power
00:19:33equity and leverage all of it to do something like call these people out and embarrass them publicly
00:19:40then there's a risk that i am then locked out right and so then i lose my influence power so i think
00:19:48that but someone like yourself you're an activist that's what you should be doing not just an activist
00:19:54i'm also a former state representative and i served for you right vice chair of commerce and i'll tell you
00:19:59i think one of the greatest compliments i ever got was from an organization that i fought tooth and
00:20:04nail against on one bill supported a different bill because of legislation that they were backing
00:20:09and they actually gave me a donation for my re-election which is awesome there's a level of
00:20:13respect right not just glad handing a representative or senator and saying geez thank you for being my
00:20:23friend let me have a conversation so that's not what i'm saying at all not negative and not have
00:20:28that negative conversation and say look at really not happy with what you just did absolutely they're
00:20:33not willing to give us a town hall then we call them out in another yes i agree with you i agree with
00:20:39you you know these are the yes all right let me let me let me get in here for a second because i think
00:20:44what you're really talking about and you're you're talking past each other a bit yeah i'm not trying to
00:20:48trying to get that point out i don't know i necessarily know if my point came across i i know
00:20:53but i i think what you're what you're really talking about is there's um there's a balance between
00:20:59on the one hand you need these people you need to be able to talk with them and you need to be able
00:21:06to convince them to do what we need them to do and you have to balance that with on the other side of
00:21:13it you also have to hold them accountable when they're not doing what we need them to do
00:21:19absolutely hold them accountable and call them out for not doing what we need them to do so it's a
00:21:25balancing act how do you and this is constantly the question in politics and in life in general in
00:21:31many cases right how do you get what you want you you you need to you need to figure out a way to
00:21:38convince correct people to do what you need them to do right but but how do you find that balance
00:21:43between trying to convince them you know and get them on board and the other problem is oh my god
00:21:48let me just finish this sorry sorry yeah go ahead yeah you both have talked a lot how do you find
00:21:53that balance between convincing them you know you know respectfully sometimes you have to be respectful
00:22:00to convince them but you also sometimes maybe you do need to publicly shame people when they
00:22:06when they let you down when they disappoint you when they're behaving in a way that's obvious that
00:22:10you know they're just beholden to the special interests and the donors and all of that which
00:22:15we know both goes on and on both sides of the aisle so so it's about it's about finding that balance i
00:22:20think it is it really is and i haven't said anything about shaming our senators in this right no no but
00:22:26the video we know that but yeah but the video we're gonna play as a constituent i personally would like
00:22:34to call for town halls so we can have 100 on board with that and if anybody isn't willing to do a town hall
00:22:41well then we go and we figure out another way to approach them but i personally would like to see
00:22:46all four of my my all four of them both senators for the state of new hampshire both congress
00:22:52persons for the state of new hampshire whole town halls after all the turmoil that has gone on
00:22:58the budget the shutdown right all of it come home host a town multiple town halls let us the people
00:23:07come and talk to you have a conversation with us we've all seen the good town halls where they're
00:23:13walking around and they're talking to people and they're having that conversation that's what i
00:23:18want from them and that's what we want too that's what most of us want so my only point was
00:23:24however we have to be strategic about it right so like if i am the person if like or you know let's
00:23:32say my candidate sarah like if she was the person that called out shaheen right she has the ability
00:23:38to walk into any congressional office any senate office and talk to these people right now but if
00:23:42she chose to be the one to like because it basically was like an embarrassment i'm sure if she
00:23:48chose to use her equity to embarrass her instead there's a good chance that if sarah picked up the phone
00:23:53and said hey i want a town hall she'd be like have someone call me that's serious that's the balance
00:23:58that's where the balance comes in right exactly and that also depends on the perspective of where
00:24:03we have our roles to play in this right right that's what i'm trying to say we all have roles
00:24:07of what your forgive me but what your headspace is going to be in for a campaign to get somebody
00:24:14elected is not ever going to be the same headspace that mine's going to be that's true when my world is
00:24:22100 nothing but trying to help people get the health care they need to live you have different
00:24:28roles in this right yeah absolutely so i think what we should do though because i think it might
00:24:33be confusing to other people is let's show the video about yeah let's i was going to say that yeah
00:24:38because where you're going is further than where i was going i was talking we weren't talking about the
00:24:45specific ah got it well we can let's talk about the specific moment and show people what we're
00:24:50talking about sure let's go for that all right let me click this here let's see should should play
00:24:56nobody wants to extend hang on let me start that over i'm going to boost the volume on that it's a
00:25:03little low yeah yeah here we go yeah yeah i'm glad that it's good pipes that go good nobody wants to
00:25:09extend the affordable care act tax credits more than me or more than senator has it why didn't you vote
00:25:17for it you look at our record and you tell me what you've done to protect the health care of americans
00:25:23and it's not even close to what we've done
00:25:26all right okay now there's two things to talk about here the heckler and her response
00:25:47and i want to make that really absolutely so you've got differing opinions on both okay
00:25:53so um who wants to go first i i think there's something uh uh wonderfully uh democratic about
00:26:02uh heckling a politician i let's also state uh the person that heckled is a state sitting state
00:26:09representative um so we don't know did this state representative try and get a straight answer
00:26:15before this day i don't know okay so i'm not gonna i'm not gonna pass 100 judgment on him just
00:26:21just yet because of no i'm not either but what well here's where my issue is with
00:26:26however it happens whatever got said to her here's my problem here's why i'm upset here's why i'm
00:26:34actually kind of angry how dare you sit there and go oh do you see how i've done how much i've done
00:26:43as a senator how much pass he's done as a senator really that was a little over the top yeah no
00:26:48can you mirror my experience of 20 years of working in medicine of putting an iv on somebody
00:26:56in the side of the road with a cop holding a flashlight over your head trying to save their
00:27:00life can you replace my lifetime of advocacy of starting endometriosis support group sessions
00:27:09of standing up for rights of helping people fight their insurance companies being in the damn
00:27:14trenches okay you are making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year to go up there and represent
00:27:23the people now this i'll get a little emotional about and your response is to get angry and try and
00:27:31one-up somebody about how many years in the senate you've done and how many bills you've tried to push
00:27:37that is not saving lives yeah her response wasn't great yeah absolutely so i want to go on
00:27:43response was a hundred percent unacceptable and i feel like she's tone deaf i think she was being
00:27:49defensive at home so here's the thing we're on the page with that one let me tell you i
00:27:55two things number one i think that her response was you know very inappropriate um i think it was
00:28:05deflection yes um i also think that uh you know we always hear this this crap about well you know
00:28:12do you hold me to a high standard actually i do you're a senator so as a senator as a leader right
00:28:19then you should be able to have someone i don't care who they are you should be able to have someone
00:28:23heckle you and you should be trained enough to come back with a professional response and also
00:28:29like legitimately address that problem and acknowledge that problem and validate that
00:28:35problem as opposed to worry more about how that may or may not have made you look uh you know
00:28:41you know as far as your your reputation or you know maybe it added guilt maybe it's emotional
00:28:50whatever it is but at the end of the day much like i was talking about the whole role thing
00:28:54her role is to be um a lot more calm and a lot more open and and frankly serving of the electorate
00:29:04that she that she's been elected to serve so her role is not to argue her role is to listen
00:29:10and so but let me tell you why like it or not if she had simply said well let me tell you why
00:29:17and then correct yeah like what she said or not gave a couple of sentences and then go back to
00:29:24your remarks but to attack them back yeah right i agree with you i agree with you yeah and here's
00:29:32the problem though this is the only problem this is why um as matt will tell you i tend to look at
00:29:37things very machiavellian right so like the in this sort of like the ends justify the means so the ends
00:29:42didn't justify the means in this case or in my opinion the the the person that did that it i guess
00:29:50you have to look at who your audience is right and in my opinion she's not even up for re-election
00:29:54so honestly true and even her response was basically dismissive so she she frankly didn't care what he
00:30:02had to say i have a theory so i almost feel like if you're going to do that make sure the person you're
00:30:08doing that with can actually move the needle because she could care less i mean she almost like
00:30:11dismissed it and was more concerned with her whatever reputational equity whatever that was
00:30:18yeah and and i don't know what it was i mean because and i'll tell you this for the record i
00:30:22was at that event and i did not stand up and i did not clap for her so that's what i mean by but but
00:30:28see what i'm saying like when you are invited to those events those are not events they just open up
00:30:33to the public right so i do think i owe it to to to my public and to people for my stakeholders
00:30:38to not yell out so that i don't get invited back to those things because we need people
00:30:43inside the tent you know like that's why when we do that in a in the world of activism when we
00:30:50intentionally right try to i can't remember the word for it now bird dog thank you when we're
00:30:58trying to bird dog somebody yes it's done strategically and there are certain people that do it and certain
00:31:04people that don't do it correct absolutely and you're right that wasn't the venue to do it
00:31:10absolutely was the total wrong venue in that moment it's a big kumbaya hour event it's not going to go
00:31:17over well especially if you're just a single soul trying to pull that off now right if they were
00:31:23organized and there was people there with banners or something yes you know calling it out right
00:31:29right we're calling you out for your budget vote and we're calling you out for this cr too right
00:31:34you're not you're not you're not standing because this is where i as a constituent this is where i'm
00:31:38at is i'm looking at this year and going where the hell are you i need you to be a pit bull and you're
00:31:42being a poodle i agree with you no absolutely absolutely so you know it's it's one of two things i
00:31:49mean i guess in my opinion it's like i'm not saying hey look i've done i mean i started activism i i am an
00:31:56activist first and foremost i started especially in the hiv aids movement i mean i've done die-ins
00:32:01in the street and blocked traffic so i'm not saying there isn't a point to them and there isn't
00:32:05a value i 150 support activism but like you said i think it should be strategic and planned
00:32:12and you know like if you are going to disrupt disrupt the right things disrupt what's going to
00:32:16get you the attention you want to get disrupt what could move the needle do those things i think
00:32:21that's really what matters and i also think like you said you've got to pick who does it
00:32:25because there are some people that i don't want to waste the collateral i have like like let's say
00:32:32let's say pappas was 100 on board right i wouldn't be like hey pappas you go out there and you be the
00:32:37one that yells and screams and change yourself to a right to a gate because i'd lose him you know
00:32:43what i'm saying right yeah i think uh one thing i just want to say about shaheen's reaction too is i i
00:32:49suspect just thinking about it on a human level and i don't mean this out of any kind of sympathy for her
00:32:55right right no i know that but i but i do think that she's probably feeling um her reaction was
00:33:01i mean her reaction was emotional and i think it was probably driven by um you know the the eight
00:33:07who voted to reopen the government they're all taking a lot of criticism and i'm not saying it's
00:33:12not deserved i mean right you that was her vote in that your vote in that moment she was probably
00:33:18buckling in that moment she was probably buckling under the weight of that and it absolutely just came
00:33:24out like but what's so funny is that after that we don't see this but after that hassan spoke
00:33:28and she did a much better job really like she much better she even like i'm not gonna quite because
00:33:35they never do it 100 and do i think they could do it 100 yes they could come out and apologize i
00:33:40absolutely think there's nothing wrong and i think especially in this day and age when you're wrong
00:33:43you're wrong admit you're wrong admit it wasn't the best decision um people will forgive that to be
00:33:49honest if you then turn around and do something yeah wouldn't you have like so much more respect
00:33:54for i have way more respect for somebody in politics who will because i've done it myself but
00:33:59we all know i was wrong on that issue yep and thanks for teaching me that or thanks for telling
00:34:05me that you know and yeah this could have been a learning bone especially the bigger the office
00:34:09the less of that you see and really i want to see more of that me too 100 i agree i mean i'm glad
00:34:16green has been a little refreshing lately i'm not going to suddenly be a big fan of greens but yeah
00:34:24it's been refreshing lately to see her come out and go you know i was wrong to have voted for that
00:34:30yeah as a public affairs person i i guess i like i'll have to uh respectfully agree to disagree like i
00:34:37know she's a propagandist she's doing it for propaganda reasons i don't trust her yeah she is up for
00:34:42re-election so honestly if i were her kudos for her on a political move because um you know uh
00:34:50that's the one to take the jump on right right because because the right issue you know because
00:34:55because crumpster fire cankles here is falling apart at the seams and people are not gonna like
00:34:59you know he's there's got to be someone or the what are they going to do just like oh okay trump's
00:35:03done that's it the republican party's gone now what happens with the epstein vote next week because i am
00:35:08really waiting to see what correct so she's she's smart i think the fools are the ones that are still
00:35:13on his ship i mean that ship is sinking like horribly i mean it's like i don't know which
00:35:18one of them did it i don't know if it was a senator or congressman but one of them said you know trump's
00:35:23gonna be gone but this boat's gonna be on your record for that sure yeah absolutely i totally agree
00:35:31with that they're gonna hold you accountable for how you voted and whether or not to release the epstein
00:35:36files right but here's the other thing though too is that i have to again this goes back to your role
00:35:41right but my role i can't honestly afford to extend too much of a knowledge branch to someone like green
00:35:48because she's she votes so wrong on so many other things and so i have to look at the big picture
00:35:54that's where you reach them where they are at right right like the greatest work i was ever involved in
00:36:01in the house was the bipartisan work i actually tried to prime some bipartisan legislation right
00:36:08that was the most fun and it was the best legislation to do i actually had unanimous votes in both chambers
00:36:15and signed by the governor on two bills bipartisan wow the first one being in the minority mind you
00:36:21sure so i want to see more of that and with green at least opening this door okay we know she's
00:36:30approachable now more on health care right issues she's going to listen at her door right a little
00:36:37bit more and for other ones we're gonna well we see where they're at right and even if it is
00:36:42strategic i have i'm not going to waste it on the worst one no i agree with you spend it on the ones i
00:36:48might flip right i agree with you and even if it is strategic even if like green is again back to
00:36:55the machiavellian thing the ends justify the means even if green is like doing it for her own self
00:37:01interest i agree with you let's use it let's use it to our advantage let's get things done the way we
00:37:05need to get done but you know um that's what i do i was gonna say she might actually be sincere
00:37:13about on the health care thing yeah no i don't doubt that yeah you know she probably is on the
00:37:18health care issue i don't think that she saw it for what it was until it happened to her own daughters
00:37:24and unfortunately oh did it in life yes that's why it's her own daughters that are seeing their
00:37:31premiums change that okay that's something that we see often in health care and right and it happened
00:37:39to me i didn't know what the world of disability was like until it was me yeah i didn't know what
00:37:44the care advantage was until it was me right so i learned the hard way sure and and when i was a
00:37:51legislator there were votes that i would have absolutely taken back in this moment because
00:37:55i learned the hard way my votes were wrong that is true and people can change and i do agree with
00:38:00that and and obviously you know my lens is a little bit clouded right now you know i mean we'll see
00:38:07we'll see where things go right i mean there i do believe and and you know my candidate sarah feels
00:38:12the same way there are still plenty of good republicans um you know there probably are some
00:38:17still currently in their positions yeah well when i mean that i mean like you know people currently
00:38:23that have stepped out like like king singer and stuff like that like king singer like i would work
00:38:27with him all day long adam kinzinger yeah i'm a big fan actually of that he's yeah i mean i respect
00:38:32him more than i respect schumer and hakeem jeffries frankly me too me too to be honest
00:38:36can we replace both of them so i think your leadership roles like so my goal my goal just
00:38:44yeah my goal just as much as it is to like win for i don't want to just win for any democrats right
00:38:51i want to win for democrats i would almost say like we happen to be democrats because right now
00:38:56it's the place that kind of it fits and it works the system but honestly in many ways you know i'm very
00:39:04much an independent and i am still at the end of the day an activist first and i'm never going to
00:39:08support anyone regardless of what their primary vote is very special to me correct and i am going
00:39:13to voice my opinions with my primary vote and i will tell you that i am not voting for pappas
00:39:19i will not vote for him because he will not listen on the health care issues that i have brought to
00:39:26his office pounded on his door less messages and i get a form letter and it absolutely addressed not
00:39:34one thing not one shred of information that i so for in the primary i am telling i am picking a
00:39:41different candidate i actually have already picked my candidate and that's wonderful and honestly and
00:39:47we'll see where it goes from there and let me tell you i thank you for that because that helps out
00:39:51right because like i can't go to pappas and be like hey you know um that's not your rule right but
00:39:59i'm saying i can't go to him and say like hey you know people are really upset if there aren't people
00:40:04that are really upset like if i just go to him and go oh i think you should change this he'll be like
00:40:10yeah okay nice you know like i mean right i i don't even necessarily know if he i you know i'm speaking
00:40:14for him i don't necessarily know if he'd say that but you know what i mean like it's it's the reason why
00:40:20that's why we all have to work together so i think at the end of the day this is about building
00:40:23coalitions like you know this is about and i'm all about internal coalitions too we focus all the
00:40:28time about reaching across the aisle i think and this is what cory booker said he was at that event
00:40:33he spoke and he changed my opinion even of him because what he said basically was like you know
00:40:39i understand why people are angry about people's votes and things like that but in many cases i've been
00:40:46able to vote with these people and you know whether it's like other democrats republicans
00:40:50people that have different views and get them to support things i supported because we had a
00:40:55conversation we sat down and we had a dialogue and in situations where i just shut them out and i get
00:41:00angry he's like we've all been angry whatever and i'm human and i've done it i admit it i've gotten
00:41:05angry at people and said forget this i'm not going to talk to them he's like i never got anywhere
00:41:09that way and so i guess that's what i'm saying it's like yeah and again i feel we feel like a
00:41:14broken record but we have to reach people where they are at absolutely wherever it is that you are
00:41:19regardless of what's after your name whether it's a d and r and i or whatever yeah you know wherever it
00:41:25is that you are at where i can connect to you is where i can reach you absolutely from there it's not
00:41:31exactly it's about it's not about d's r's or whatever it is about coalition and it's about grassroots
00:41:38coalitions it's the people getting up that are going to make the difference it's the people that have
00:41:43been coming out and protesting that never protested before the last protest i was at i saw and spoke
00:41:49to more older veterans than i have ever seen right in a protest like that in my lifetime right
00:41:58absolutely in this regard people are coming out that have never come out before right i'm talking
00:42:04to people who are telling me i've never done a protest before right right people are yeah i get
00:42:09that all the time feeling this right so yeah it's important that people are important people like
00:42:15you that have that channel yeah go back and say look at i'm hearing people say they're not going to
00:42:20vote for you in the primary correct really upset about this or and that's what i've done that's literally
00:42:26what i've done and we did it specifically on the um lgbtq issues because um you know one of the
00:42:33positions i'm in is i'm the you know um political um advocate for it's called the political advocate
00:42:41chair or political activism chair for hrc new england and i said i understand we did this with
00:42:47pappas i was like i understand you got the national vote they gave you their endorsement and all of that
00:42:52i'm like and i'm not saying whether you do or you don't deserve it what i am saying is that initially
00:42:57the plan was that i said i want to let you know you don't get a free pass with that because here
00:43:03in new england we all were actually going to hold that endorsement if it was up to us and it's not
00:43:07because i don't like you but we were going to hold it as collateral and as a a temperature check to see
00:43:13what it is you do i said because i'll be honest like i like you as a person but the way you voted on
00:43:18trans things things of this nature are not okay it's not satisfactory and i think especially as a gay
00:43:24man in power like we do have a voice that these people don't have and we owe it to that community
00:43:30all members of our community to stand up especially our most marginalized and stand up and fight for
00:43:35them the closer you are to that table the more responsibility you have to speak up for those who
00:43:42can't even walk correct and it's a win-win for everybody i've never ever ever gotten in trouble
00:43:49for helping someone or supporting someone i have gotten in trouble for you know at least
00:43:56burn to bridge anyway for like creating uh divisiveness yeah yeah yeah yeah um
00:44:03but don't get me wrong there's a time and place for it and i like to the other thing i think that's
00:44:10very interesting i like to call it sort of like the um sort of the oh god what is the term i want to
00:44:16use but like all like um platforms almost have this like organic uh sort of cycle that they go
00:44:26through so it's like the cycle of activism so like to me it's like in the beginning like when i was
00:44:30doing the hiv aids stuff when zero people were listening it was important to dye the fountains red
00:44:35do the dye-ins do all these things and constantly do it yeah you know because we weren't getting anywhere
00:44:41even we weren't getting anywhere being polite so we had to like disrupt some shit to get people to
00:44:46listen yeah but once i got people to sit down at the table i didn't waste that seat screaming at
00:44:52them the whole time you know what i mean like right you know true right when you're talking health care
00:44:57here again like yeah i get it and the protests we've done in in dc things have been ramped up as of late
00:45:04obviously i think that's wonderful done dye-ins we've done banner drops yep we've done those things
00:45:10we've sat and talked to them and then they don't go and they vote against us then what do we do we
00:45:17got to hold them accountable yeah yeah i agree with you we ever we have to let them know that look at
00:45:22this is we're not okay with your vote not am i not only am i not okay with your vote right i expect
00:45:29i expect those eight especially r2 and well yeah they personally it's a person right it's all over
00:45:38the news nationally saying she was leading this charge well then i expect you to lead this charge
00:45:44right with a clean bill that extends the tax credits for americans absolutely a minimum of one year
00:45:52minimum yeah absolutely no i agree to give us more time to work on the issue overall but just that
00:46:02because you remember these guys oh it's got to be a clean cr you can't vote unless it's a clean cr
00:46:09and then they vote and it's got a ban on all hemp phd products and it's got a windfall of money
00:46:17for senators of course for senators they're getting more money out of the clean cr so bullshit bullshit
00:46:29there was no clean cr you voted for this piece of crap it's going to kill people unless you do
00:46:35something so god damn it get up pappas get up shaheen get up get up all of you i don't give a shit which
00:46:42way you went get up all of you join together get your republican colleagues i agree with you
00:46:48put that bipartisan clean bill in that says extend these tax credits and then put it on a roll call
00:46:57and let's get this puppy done and if it doesn't get done which i suspect it might not it will be
00:47:02the role of the republicans who absolutely no i agree with you not going to be the other side voting
00:47:07against it so i guess that's right well unless we peel and i think there's a possibility that we
00:47:13could peel off enough to potentially get something like that through it is no i agree with you i do
00:47:18agree with you yeah i need the charge they need to do more than come home and glad hand us give me a
00:47:24town oh absolutely 100 like a damn bull in a china shop and stop breaking some shit until we get our
00:47:30absolutely i think uh i think that i think this is going to be a case of short-term pain but long-term
00:47:35gain i think right i i'm not optimistic anything's going to get done uh in the short term uh and and
00:47:42premiums are going to skyrocket um but the long-term gain will be that pain is going to bring and we know
00:47:49obviously you know democrats are going to pick up because this is just how the how it goes with the
00:47:54ebb and flow of it uh in the midterms democrats are going to win big and i think the more pain that
00:48:00there is the bigger democrats are going to win in the midterms so that's that's how i see this playing
00:48:05out no absolutely and and i do think that um you know that's that is the reality and um you know
00:48:14i'm not saying that that that i mean that is the argument supposedly that they went with like i and so
00:48:21i do want to get clear though that there is some truth to the argument i'm not saying i agree with
00:48:25the argument because like i said many times and everybody i know including pappas and and goodlander
00:48:31voted no on on opening the government again so everybody i know and everybody i've helped get in
00:48:36office did what they should do so in that respect other than my senator on this vote right right
00:48:42absolutely well you know i wouldn't claim that title blanketly no no of course not but on this
00:48:48vote yeah but i have no of course not absolutely not but it's it's each vote it's on this one
00:48:54no no i get it i get it but um where was i going with this yeah so so what you're asking for i think
00:49:01it's very reasonable i think town halls that's a great idea i think all these things are great um
00:49:07you know and but i we also have to what i mean some of them do it already i mean i at least goodlander
00:49:16does i know she will do town halls okay um i know i don't know as much about her because she's not my
00:49:24right well she is mine and i have to say i'm happy i supported her like you know she's doing a good job
00:49:29good i'm glad yeah i'm very glad so so you know i i guess that's why i have hope i mean i you know
00:49:36and it is interesting and this is the other thing i think that's really good in this moment
00:49:41as activists as whatever as like people that are in politics but not inside the politics of it
00:49:48we do have the power to shape the movement and move things in the direction we want them to move
00:49:52and we can in some ways which is very interesting i'm seeing this with goodlander it seems like we're
00:49:57seeing this with pathos to some extent although i'm a little more hesitant because his track record
00:50:01isn't as great but it's possible still right and i'm gonna sell and i am gonna like give him credit
00:50:08when he does something good because let's face it people like yeah you know people like to get
00:50:14gold stars yeah but anyway like i'm gonna play on the you know they're like we all have it's all
00:50:19our psychology right we like to get applause so um you know but i but i yeah i i agree with you i think
00:50:26that um in this moment though it's it's not a a bottom down it's it's it's a top it's a bottom
00:50:34it's a bottom up mentality right like we do have the ability because some of them and it sounds
00:50:40weird until you're like kind of inside and you see what they go through it's not easy to be the
00:50:46opposition right like even aoc they shut her out for two years because she didn't get in line with
00:50:51the establishment so if they see people like us support them then they're more inclined to do so
00:50:58and i do think we're moving some of these people that are quote-unquote establishment
00:51:02into a more left progressive way and i think that's important and and honestly in some cases
00:51:08they almost need us to give them permission to do it and even with the republicans i think at some
00:51:12point they're going to say like look it's all wonderful mr trump that you want what you want
00:51:17but you're gone you're bye-bye i still have to like you know go back to my constituents i still want
00:51:24to run again and frankly i'm not going to win if i keep on that's why they're trying to buy us off
00:51:29right right two thousand dollar carrot because that's going to cover your health care for all
00:51:35year right yeah two grand that'll do it right oh that's all it was was two thousand yeah yeah
00:51:40two thousand maybe next but not this year i mean not next year maybe the year oh i see well the good
00:51:46news is is that even they're give people the money to spend on their own health care
00:51:51but it's two thousand dollars and it's a one-time payment how's that working for you
00:51:55that's gonna know it's foolish it's ridiculous i mean it's clearly ridiculous but of course not
00:52:00but the good news is record matt matt's matt's is going up over 200 percent january 1st his premium
00:52:08is going up no it's all it's extremely frustrating but i think that um you know at the end of the day
00:52:15it isn't even going to benefit at some point and it's starting to already it's not going to benefit
00:52:21the republican party to continue to go in lockstep with the maga side of it like it's just not going
00:52:25to work because you know i keep hoping for that but they keep getting worse and they don't fall off
00:52:32that's what cares me well if you study let me qualify that sure you know what the health care
00:52:38we've seen a couple but that's about it yeah no i hear you but here's the thing at least from a big
00:52:45picture from a from a macro level if you look at any of these um autocracies dictatorships wannabe
00:52:52dictators whatever they are unfortunately it's almost what you said there's more when they're
00:52:58failing when they're starting to collapse they get crazier yeah more violent they get more aggressive
00:53:05because it's like they're holding on to the last bit but this ship is sinking i mean if you look at
00:53:09that's why they're dialing up the volume they're not even calculated anymore about it they're just
00:53:13you know so so that's good i mean it sucks because in the short term it hurts but right it's a good
00:53:21sign yeah like i said it's going to be short-term pain for long-term gain yeah yeah for sure i really
00:53:26do i really do um we we're coming up on an hour should we start to to wind this one down or uh i mean
00:53:33yeah we're at 53 and change yeah maybe you know we can get get to that other you want to show that
00:53:39other video that would be interesting i you you want to do that now yeah let's see what it is i
00:53:44would like to have it if anybody's up for it oh absolutely yeah we can we can do that maybe not
00:53:48the whole thing but but yeah this is um this is dr oz on with uh dana bash on cnn future of health
00:53:55care welcome back to state of the union republicans successfully ended the shutdown now comes a really
00:54:01hard part figuring out what to do about health care costs when enhanced obamacare subsidies expire
00:54:07on december 31st here with me now is one of the president's top medical advisors the
00:54:11administrator for the centers for medicare and medicaid services doctor does he look like he's
00:54:18aged significantly since he's been in this job he doesn't look like the same guy to me yeah not to
00:54:24mention it's kind of you know maybe it's too bright in there maybe i don't know he used to kind of look
00:54:28like jason bateman a little bit now i mean evil evil kind of ages you that's true yeah he might have
00:54:32got a dorian gray uh experience right exactly yeah let's see memet oz thank you so much for
00:54:39being here appreciate it the president said he will be willing to talk about these subsidies once
00:54:43the shutdown is over the shutdown is over so is he willing to extend the subsidies at all i think
00:54:50the president's willing to look at all options but we have some major flaws with the way these
00:54:54covid era subsidies were added just so everyone's on the same page in this issue our goal is what's
00:54:59that a non-answer non-answer yeah we're going to look at everything well he he says something too
00:55:06pretty pretty uh uh absurd coming up here yeah people covered especially want people covered who
00:55:16are trying to work they're trying to climb their way up financially as they get jobs and evolve how do
00:55:20you do it wisely so the original obamacare had fundamental flaws in it for example when you make
00:55:26more than four times poverty there was not an ability to get continued enhanced subsidies um but
00:55:30there are other issues that are also present that the democrats tried in early covid uh to rectify by
00:55:36throwing money at it the problem with the approach that was taken and if it was a great approach i
00:55:40actually think they would have made those changes permanent the fact that they're designed to expire now
00:55:44is reflective of the fact that the current system is not the system that anyone really thought would
00:55:48work can we remember trump was president when during the period of time he's talking about right now
00:55:55right early covid this is trump not right they never they never blame trump no no that's true they just
00:56:02pretend he wasn't there like during covid yeah yeah it creates incentives for fraud and i'll just give
00:56:11you one example because i keep reading about this in different contexts but you can by the way this is a
00:56:16common uh republican uh talking point when whenever any any kind of government program or anything
00:56:22that they object to they just start using that word fraud yeah yeah you know and of course
00:56:28and and the reality is obviously anything there's the potential for fraud nothing is ever perfect
00:56:35nothing is the thing that's interesting too if you're the they it's really like they lack foresight if
00:56:40you're the if you're the people holding power do you want to keep broadcasting that the government
00:56:45is unstable and um you know there's all this fraudulent activity because guess who's doing the fraudulent
00:56:51activity if you're the ones in power right right yeah that's a good good point that in a very
00:56:55straightforward way health insurance is different from other kinds of insurance you don't want to use
00:56:59your fire insurance because you don't want your house burning down health insurance you tend to use
00:57:03every year in fact on average 80 percent of people use their health insurance during the day if you're
00:57:08watching right now think about whether you fill the prescription went to a doctor's office you use your
00:57:12insurance so let's say 20 percent of the time you don't use your insurance that was also the number
00:57:17he literally just compared yeah fire insurance for your home to health care and the problem is that
00:57:25you're using the health care yeah exactly i mean you have insurance that you're using that's an issue
00:57:31we want more people to be covered but you're using it yeah you're actually using it how dare you
00:57:37you're supposed to pay into premiums and never use it yeah and the the crazy thing too about that
00:57:44is if you think of it in a broader sense people using their health insurance that's a good thing
00:57:50because using your health insurance might prevent having to spend even more money on your health
00:57:55long term right you know preventative medicine right yeah yeah it's such an absurd thing well it's
00:58:01all silly it's all ridiculous and it's like he's implying i think he stopped short of actually
00:58:06saying it but he mentioned fraud before it's like so it's like he's implying that if you're using more
00:58:10health insurance you're obviously using it fraudulently oh absolutely just bizarre for the
00:58:16obamacare exchanges that number has now doubled doubled we have last year 24 million people on the
00:58:22exchanges 11 million people never filed i hear you talking about how okay did you catch that what did
00:58:30say that he's complaining because when obamacare started the first exchange there was only so many
00:58:38people on it and now there's so many more people on it oh wait we insured more people and that's your
00:58:46complaint oh the horror exactly what we were trying to do get more people covered by health insurance
00:58:51have less underinsured and uninsured folks out there in the world and now he's complaining that it did
00:58:59just that right even from a cost benefit problem now there's so many people on the marketplace
00:59:04right even from a cost benefit healthier pool even from 101 insurance right not to mention that that
00:59:12uh proactive treatments and preventative treatments are a heck of a lot cheaper
00:59:16than catastrophic treatments emergency treatments and serious terminal illnesses
00:59:22that's right insurance companies won't let you have preventative care but it's ridiculous they're
00:59:28stupid yeah time to teach you anything because he's trying to pick up the pieces of what's broken
00:59:34because he didn't get to teach you anything it's it's our whole health care system
00:59:39oh it's broken absolutely money at the expense of poor people's lives yeah yeah all right let's hear
00:59:46more of his uh absurdity here it is and and there is potential for fraud but the reality is time's ticking
00:59:53and there are people who are really going to suffer because the system is the way it is unless these are
00:59:59at least extended temporarily while you try to figure out a reform will that happen we encourage the
01:00:04president to do that there are ways for us to continue to cover americans without allowing the widespread
01:00:09fraud and i don't want to underplay this 4.4 million people right now we believe are getting full
01:00:14insurance coverage with the obamacare many of them don't know they have that coverage they're
01:00:19duly enrolled both in medicaid and this duly enrolled thing that he's talking about too this is
01:00:26the first time hearing of this are there there are people who are duly eligible you could be on
01:00:32medicare and medicaid yes it's supplemental it can be supplemental right and you can have exactly what
01:00:37it is just like snap is supplemental nutrition these are supplemental things but he's making it sound
01:00:44like something fraudulence going on he's making it sound like people are double dipping yeah yes
01:00:49and somehow that gets them money remember this yeah they're teaching people that you are getting ripped
01:00:55off yes okay you mean somebody went to the doctors more than once like how it you're not getting money
01:01:03nobody's handing somebody your name no your neighbor who has medicaid is not getting a paycheck
01:01:09yeah they're getting to go to the doctor they're getting to get an x-ray they're getting to have
01:01:14surgery they're getting to have prescriptions but that's it there's no effing money yeah free ride
01:01:21of anything like that it's simply basic medical care and it doesn't cover some things like it's
01:01:30ridiculous we these people and he makes and he'll continue to do it to demonize people who are poor
01:01:38and underinsured of course and struggling and making it sound like there's some scam artist
01:01:44fraud who's getting a paycheck in the mail from the government every month yeah yeah and they're
01:01:49taking something away from you that's the whole republican talking point summed up meanwhile they're
01:01:55the biggest fraudsters and criminals uh on the face of the earth right now he even gets worse than
01:02:00this oh yeah yeah yeah there's more that it's it's the middle of november can you fix that in the
01:02:04next five weeks we can definitely put in incentives to remove that as a possibility i'll give you a good
01:02:08example get people to pay five dollars five dollars is that what does that matter paying five
01:02:13dollars a month means at least you have to opt into the program you can't get falsely put on the
01:02:18program by some broker a month have to do with the question she asked are you going to do anything
01:02:24to prevent these tax credits these subsidies from disappearing on january 4th and with that millions of
01:02:32people's health care well are you going to do anything and oh can't you just pay again back
01:02:38to poor people the scapegoat you're getting free medicaid except that half these well then everybody
01:02:44else can have a tax credit i guess except that half these poor people voted against their best interest
01:02:50because they listen to this word salad so well of course you know yeah republicans love to vote
01:02:55against their own economic interest if we go back to worshiping billionaires there's two videos
01:03:02shaheen do i'm sorry matt i stepped out over you no what were you saying about shaheen well because
01:03:08shaheen did that with constituents she stood up there and said she had constituents coming to her begging
01:03:14her to not vote to hold out that they needed these health care subsidies and she said that she was
01:03:20going to hold their feet down and then in the next breath she's in front of the camera saying
01:03:24she had to vote for it because she had constituents coming to her saying she had to so we're her
01:03:29scapegoat for her right oh yeah oh yeah well there's i mean there probably were i mean not that i'm
01:03:35defending her i'm not at all i hate how she voted but i'm sure there were people that that thought that
01:03:40the um you know that believe the republicans and thought that holding off on snap um you know and
01:03:46all of that you know because it did affect snap yeah of course it was the republicans that made it
01:03:51effect snap right um and republicans that were fighting in court to prevent the funding of it
01:03:58right and then further trying to force new hampshire to claw the money back oh yeah you can't sure had
01:04:04given to people for the month yeah right right all right all right there's a little uh a little more
01:04:10here conversations about doing things like you just said with the republicans in congress maybe even
01:04:16with democrats in order to get these subsidies at least extended in the short term there there are
01:04:23discussions around extending subsidies if we deal with the fraud waste and abuse that right now is
01:04:27paralyzed in the system there are ways of using our money wisely by putting it in the pockets of
01:04:31americans there are things we actually put into the one big beautiful bill like uh these csrs which are
01:04:37these cost saving reduction tools that make insurance more efficient that would have saved us a lot of money
01:04:43that democrats took out so they're already ideas we put out there we would have saved 10 on premiums
01:04:48if we'd allowed the these uh csrs to be uh enacted in the one big beautiful bill i don't even know
01:04:56anything uh do you do either of you know anything about these csrs i don't even know what that is
01:05:00this is the first i'm hearing of it it's just a bunch of mumbo jumbo bullshit that's what i figured
01:05:04it's credits it's the health care credit it's just wow he's just spewing nothing yeah he's spewing
01:05:11nothing what he's not talking about is the over five percent increase that the trump administration
01:05:17and republicans just gave to every insurance company for medicare tax dollars from our tax dollars
01:05:24they have been given to administer medicare advantage and plans like that they're reaping profits
01:05:33for example united health care is the third largest company in the united states period not just health
01:05:39care period that's how much money they make they make over 400 what no what was it excuse me
01:05:46scratch that they make over eight billion billion with a b dollars every three months in profit
01:05:54before this raise but that's not enough for them they need more so the trump administration and
01:06:01all these lovely little bills all waste fraud and abuse waste fraud and abuse you just gave medicare
01:06:07tax dollars the one could say maybe the biggest raise ever yeah to these insurance companies and
01:06:14you nickel and diamond us and you won't let us have tax credits you're letting americans go up like you
01:06:21matt over 200 increase in your premium and that has to do with waste fraud and abuse really are you
01:06:28right so i don't think we're ever going to i mean in summation these people this is what i call the
01:06:35the 20 write-off right like these people i'm not trying to convince oz of anything uh anybody in his
01:06:42cabinet i i could care less like these are not the people i'm ever going to sit down at the table with
01:06:46and try to negotiate with and try to talk to is my what i ideally like to do is you know get things
01:06:53moving forward get um you know get certainly the independents maybe some of the people that like
01:07:00held their nose and voted for trump all of this like to come to my side as well um not put me in
01:07:05or not put me in personally anyway but not put people that i support in as democrats put them in as
01:07:10change makers and as people that are going to move the needle and it didn't come from politics
01:07:15actually got into this fight because they wanted to force the change not because you know they happen to
01:07:22be there already and then um you know and then hold the these people accountable because at the end of
01:07:28the day you know these people are ripping us off they're ripping it regardless and they don't care
01:07:34if you're red blue or or purple whatever you are they're all that they're all the really uber rich who
01:07:41don't live in our world odds does not live in our world no right and they're all losers you know
01:07:48they don't face what we face they don't but here's the thing right the grocery store and having enough
01:07:53money at the checkout line because if they don't have enough money they just take it from us right
01:07:57but here's the thing that's very interesting is that like we just have to get to the point where
01:08:01um because these people are really inefficient and they're and they're they don't have like i mean
01:08:07look at hexath look at all of them we can go on another show and talk about this but they're all
01:08:10incompetent they're all like none of them are good at their jobs none of them if it was on real
01:08:16merit would their resumes wouldn't even make it probably past the first level so they're all in
01:08:21office because there's some basically mobster uh pyramid scam you know uh snakes snake oil salesman
01:08:31that's running the country and he employed all his cronies it's like a mafia it's it's a low-end
01:08:36mafia and it's the b team because most of the people from the first administration right wouldn't
01:08:41come back or couldn't come back because many of them are in jail right he's afraid of people with
01:08:46real skill and real talent oh absolutely absolutely we just have to continuously shine a light on this
01:08:51and make sure that the public is aware that this is what dr oz the administrator for cms is saying
01:08:58they're going to do with our health but i think if we don't do anything about it now but i think the
01:09:04bigger thing we need to do is just come up with solutions and enact those solutions because i think
01:09:08at the end of the day especially the ones that voted red they're low information people they're not
01:09:14interested in getting involved in all of this and so let's give them what they want let's let's give
01:09:20them a better you know quality of life let's give everybody a reasonable quality of life and then
01:09:26let's move on like i you know i don't i just don't think it's like and ideally let's put some of these
01:09:32people on trial because they're criminals i hope that there will be a reckoning someday for all of the
01:09:38damage and all of the lives that are being lost because right right exactly absolutely and that
01:09:44if anything this country needs to learn that we got to rein in the abilities of executive orders
01:09:48i've never liked them i've never been a fan but now now is even more to say that maybe this is a
01:09:54power we shouldn't allow the president to have no matter who's in that i would definitely have to
01:09:59minimize it for sure i mean there definitely needs to be more checks and balances i mean god forbid i think
01:10:04we're going to have to do it we're going to have to make constitutional um amendments we they're
01:10:09supposed to be checks and balances and congress and the senate and everything are supposed to be
01:10:13upholding that but we're not going to anymore we don't actually i should say we don't have that
01:10:17anymore because the people who are violating it aren't being held to task they're just getting away
01:10:23with running over yeah and we have all the thing that people don't realize though because this is what
01:10:28i mean we don't want to get caught up in the doom and gloom either none of these things have gone
01:10:31away we still have these things it's just a matter of enforcing these things so it really does come
01:10:36down to accountability and it comes down to any of us that are able in either small ways or large ways
01:10:41to hold these people accountable to insist they are accountable and it also right now they're voting
01:10:47the wrong way and it also if you don't like how they vote primary them out i mean i am totally for
01:10:53that yeah and we have to start doing that across the board this like fealty to like a party simply
01:10:59because they're of our party if they're not doing their job has to go away yeah 100 well i think uh
01:11:06on that note that's probably a good place to put a pin in this one episode 11 hanging left i'd love to
01:11:11do i'd love to do this more often if absolutely this was really fiery and great absolutely absolutely
01:11:17uh any anything uh we didn't mention i mean todd i mean you probably want to remind us where people
01:11:22can go to learn more about sarah's campaign right yeah go to sarah c603 uh dot com and there's
01:11:30everything there we just revamped the website it's really beautiful there's even a section that says
01:11:34ask me so um you know we're running a little bit lean of a team right now but that's okay we're going
01:11:40to get on that because really it really is all about like right in the front it says you know people
01:11:46over politics power uh people over power people over whatever any any of the any of the terms you
01:11:53can think of i'm not definitely a big fan and yeah my vote in the primary no me too because i think
01:11:58that you know the the importance about sarah is that there's a lot of people even a lot of of our um
01:12:04you know people running against us they're they're very good i wouldn't say any of them are bad people
01:12:09they're all good people they all mean well what they're just all variations you just right right
01:12:15all variations but here's the thing that's here's the thing that honestly what this whole podcast has
01:12:20been about sarah has the the key to the city sarah has options to go into these doors and talk to
01:12:27these people and in some cases especially like in international relations she has the numbers of
01:12:33these people that have been kicked out of their positions that still talk to her on a daily basis
01:12:38that we are going to need to build back the soft power and do these things that some of her
01:12:43opponents they're going to be like thanks but no thanks i don't know who you are right because i'm
01:12:47sure they're like yeah you know they don't well that's the difference between a politician and a
01:12:52statesman right correct and that's what we need right now is states people and also people with some
01:12:56experience and in the ability to get things done uh todd i have a question to uh put you on the spot a
01:13:03little bit but have you seen the the uh clip of jenny on uh the john oliver show i have not that's
01:13:08awesome yeah yeah we'll have to check that out four million views now nice congratulations jenny
01:13:15yeah yeah send me that link absolutely a lot of good folks in it and i will tell you it is the most
01:13:21comprehensive and best report i have ever seen on medicare advantage they truly listened to us
01:13:28nice hours on the phone i spent hours on the phone with the producer and they really that is awesome
01:13:34to know everything and they presented the best descriptor i've ever seen you'll i highly encourage
01:13:40you to see it i highly encourage you to share it with other people absolutely why we're in open
01:13:45enrollment even if you've already picked you can still change it i'll tell you what we'll check it out
01:13:51and definitely do that right and i think that you know as long as sarah's okay with it well we could
01:13:56even share it on our social media pages excellent um you know as long as it's which i don't think we
01:14:01would be a problem people of the risks of getting a medicare advantage plan and what can happen um
01:14:07if it just quickly uh in my case they were talking about how i was a dana fiber patient for like a
01:14:14decade and then suddenly the doctor network but the building wasn't even though the no surprises act
01:14:20passed there's still a loophole that they go through and medicare advantage jumps right through it
01:14:24preventing people from new hampshire from going to arguably one of the best cancer institutes in
01:14:29the nation dana farber yeah absolutely yeah all right well very good very good all right so we'll
01:14:36uh we'll end on that note uh thank you to everyone who joined us for the live stream much guys and of
01:14:41course uh if you get the show in the podcast uh forum uh make sure you uh subscribe to hanging left
01:14:47on your podcast a platform of choice and uh todd thank you so much yep thank you and thank you jenny
01:14:54and thanks everybody and uh we'll talk to you soon bye
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