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00:30And we're asking if we need to militarize European societies.
00:33Before we meet our guests, let's just get you up to speed.
00:38So far, Ukraine and Europe have remarkably been sidelined in negotiations aimed at ending
00:44the war with Russia.
00:46US Special Envoy Steve Witkoff met Russian President Vladimir Putin to push a US-sponsored
00:51peace deal.
00:52Initially concocted with the Kremlin, the plan was amended with European and Ukrainian inputs
00:57after concerns emerged that Kiev would be pressured into unacceptable concessions.
01:03Yet, Europe is having a hard time finding a seat at the negotiation table.
01:07French President Emmanuel Macron welcomed Vladimir Zelensky at the Élysée Palace and stressed
01:12that no agreement would materialize without European participation.
01:16Voices are also rising in Brussels for Europe to have its own plan to ensure a lasting peace
01:21in Ukraine and deter Moscow from future military action.
01:25Only the 27 can't agree on how to proceed.
01:28So, what next for the EU?
01:35And should the 27 remain a soft power or transition to a military might?
01:40The questions we'll be putting to our contenders.
01:42Let's meet them.
01:43Cynthia Newarku, Irish MEP for the Liberal Renew Group.
01:48A former journalist and lawyer, she's a devoted pro-European who believes in dialogue
01:53and negotiation under the right circumstances.
01:56Any credible peace plan must involve Ukraine, the EU, the United States and Russia, and it
02:02cannot be imposed on Ukraine or come at the expense of its sovereignty, territorial integrity
02:06or democratic future, she said.
02:10Christian Terhes, Romanian MEP for the European Conservatives and Reformists Group.
02:15Former candidate for the country's presidency, a defender of national sovereignty, he has
02:20dismissed the guarantees given by the US, Great Britain, Germany and Russia to Ukraine
02:25in order to give up its nuclear arsenal in 1994.
02:29Now he warns against the acceptance of a peace agreement with Russia at any cost.
02:34In the natural tendency, man wants peace immediately.
02:38But history shows us the price of hasty decisions, he said.
02:42Cynthia Newarku and Christian Teresh, welcome to The Ring.
02:48Thanks so much for having us.
02:49Hi, Christian.
02:50Hi, Cynthia.
02:51Great to have you with us.
02:51Well, look, ladies first, perhaps.
02:53We'll kick off with Cynthia Newarku.
02:55Why is the European Union not at the driving seat in the talks to end the war in Ukraine,
02:59but always reacting?
02:59No, the EU is at the driving seat.
03:04But the driving seat is shared and should be shared between the nations and the countries
03:09that have a vested interest.
03:11Obviously, we're in a particular space whereby America has withdrawn somewhat from its previous
03:19historical support through NATO and so forth.
03:21So we are in a new geopolitical atmosphere, as we all know.
03:25And therefore, we are in the driving seat very much.
03:28But we can't take over in the driving seat.
03:30We also need our partners.
03:32So Russia is involved with the United States.
03:34And obviously, we have Europe.
03:35But most importantly, we have President Zelensky and Ukraine.
03:39And in your clip, you indicated that the coalition of the willing, indeed,
03:43Zelensky was welcome to the Palace of Licea.
03:45But he was also welcomed to my country and my parliament in the Dáil.
03:49And I can tell you that Europe stands firm, very firm with Ukraine, because I think my
03:54friend will agree with me.
03:55If we don't stand in Europe with Ukraine, who is next?
03:59Probably your country, Romania.
04:01But messages of support in New York who are not enough.
04:03We have Kaya Callas.
04:05She's the EU Foreign Affairs Chief.
04:06But she's nowhere to be seen in any of those images.
04:09Well, I think Europe, European Union right now has to take the lead in this fight,
04:13because at the end of the day, it's not in the U.S. main interest to resolve the situation
04:18in Ukraine, but it's in our own interest in European Union, and especially on countries
04:23that are on the eastern flank of NATO.
04:25As Cynthia rightfully mentioned, we are very concerned in Eastern Europe, because if Ukraine
04:31collapses, who is next?
04:33It's someone from the Baltic region, it's Romania, who's next?
04:36I mean, concern is one thing, messages of support is another thing, but has the EU done enough?
04:39I'm sorry, Maeve, I mean, I watched the news overnight.
04:43Putin has withdrawn from the peace talks.
04:45Putin does not want peace.
04:47Russia does not want peace.
04:48Europe has bent over backwards in their very professional, organized way, bearing in mind
04:53we have 27 member states, and has really negotiated very skillfully and very hard.
04:58And I don't really accept any criticism of Kaya Callas.
05:01She may not be seen in pictures, but I'm not depending on her being seen in pictures.
05:05I'm depending on her and her team negotiating hard.
05:08And they have been doing that.
05:09But bear in mind, they didn't withdraw.
05:11Putin has withdrawn.
05:12He's no interest in peace.
05:13Why did the EU get sidelined by the Trump 28-point peace plan?
05:16That's very, very simple.
05:18And I mean, again, I'm sure Christian will agree.
05:20President Trump has set up these so-called collaborative talks, which are not collaborative in any way,
05:26because the United States did not come as the arbitrator, as the mediator, with its proposed plan drawn from both sides.
05:34He came with a Russian plan.
05:36And we saw Steve Whitcoff.
05:37He's been to Moscow around six times, but never visited Kyiv.
05:41As you can see right now, we talk too much about what the U.S. does or what the U.S. wants.
05:45The question is what the EU does.
05:47Exactly.
05:47And when you talk to Russia, historically speaking, you have to negotiate with Russia from a position of power,
05:53because the only language that the Russian would listen to is the language of power.
05:59We talk too much.
06:00We don't act enough.
06:01Not only that we don't act enough, we don't act strong.
06:03I'll give you an example.
06:04Nord Stream 2, for example.
06:05When Trump was elected in 2016, he sanctioned the companies that were built in Nord Stream 2.
06:11When Biden was elected in 2020, he lifted the sanctions.
06:14That's how Nord Stream 2 was finalized.
06:15Then we saw what happened in 2022.
06:17For so many years, there were so many talks, even here in the European Parliament.
06:20But behind the scenes, many EU countries, you know, still conducted business with Russia.
06:26So we paid for this work.
06:28Yeah, I totally agree with Christian when he says about, you know, not acting up quickly enough.
06:32Because if we look back at the initial invasion of Putin into Ukraine,
06:36that's when Europe should have acted more comprehensively, more firmly.
06:40And they didn't.
06:41And we really are paying the price of that now.
06:42But I don't accept the premise that Europe is in some way way too weak or way too ineffective.
06:48I do believe that progress will be made.
06:51Look at how Trump is stymied.
06:53Every time he says there's a deadline made, every time he says it's a deadline,
06:56that deadline is passed and we move to a next phase.
06:59He wants a quick fix.
07:01He won't learn the lesson, Trump, that we can't get a quick fix when he's asking Ukraine to give up its sovereignty.
07:06And then he's going to ask Romania to give up their sovereignty and Poland.
07:10And where I was standing in Estonia some weeks ago, looking across at the Russian border
07:16and realizing how threatened all these countries on the eastern flank.
07:19But you know what?
07:20It's only a hair's breadth away from Ireland.
07:22And you say, of course, the Kremlin only understands the language of power.
07:26How would you react to Vladimir Putin's comments this week when he said he's ready for a war with Europe?
07:30I would not react with words.
07:32I would react with actions.
07:33We need to build up our defense.
07:35But on top of that, we need to set ourselves the proper mindset in dealing with Russia.
07:41And I paraphrase what the former Taliban leader told many U.S. generals when they had a meeting.
07:46The general or the U.S. general said, well, we got to finish this fast, fast, fast.
07:49And the Taliban says, you know, what is the difference between you and us?
07:51What?
07:52You have the watch.
07:54We have the time.
07:55So the Russians right now are using exactly the same strategy.
07:59Yes.
07:59Cynthia was right when she mentioned that Trump is always, you know, coming up with these deadlines, you know, from one day to another.
08:06You cannot have, in such a complicated situation, a peace deal from one day to another.
08:11In order to do that, you need to take, you know, enough time to do it.
08:14But on top of that, you need to have a strong defense behind your words.
08:19So for many decades, the European Union expected that if something happens, U.S. is there to defend us.
08:25U.S. can help, but U.S. apparently right now cannot drive this anymore.
08:30Christian, not only do we need to stand up and smell the coffee with regards to the mindset of Putin, which I think Europe did a long time ago when they failed to interact and investigate what was going on in the late, in the early 2000s, I should say, when Russia invaded first.
08:45But unfortunately, we have the mindset of Trump thrown in for good measure.
08:51And of course, we realize that all the power, all the might, all the money, which Ukraine has been so dependent on, as well as the huge investment from Russia, it's a very delicate balance.
09:00So, Sarri, you talk about mindset.
09:02There still is a wonderful aspect of politics called diplomacy.
09:06But of course, Trump doesn't have that in his dictionary or his lexicon.
09:10It doesn't exist.
09:10And so, therefore, Kaya Callas and the negotiating team have to negotiate in a completely different way.
09:17It has to be deferential.
09:18It has to be sycophantic.
09:20And it has to allow the bully in the room to triumph.
09:23Kaya is coming from one of the Baltic countries.
09:25And she had very strong statements, which is very important.
09:28But it's important also, she even mentioned in some of her speeches, to understand the lesson of history.
09:34The first country that was attacked by Russia in the 21st century was Georgia in 2008.
09:39Because Georgia, in April of 2008, was not accepted in NATO because two NATO countries vetoed their accession.
09:46So, what happened after the war in Georgia in August 2008?
09:50Russia occupied South Ossetia and Akhazia.
09:54But in 2009, a new U.S. president took office, Obama.
09:58The first thing that he did once he took office was to resume the relationship with Russia.
10:02Russia came with a precondition.
10:05That said, and I quote, you need to forget everything that happened in 2009, we start from scratch.
10:10Well, they do not start from scratch.
10:12They keep everything that they got so far.
10:14And from this point on, they want to negotiate.
10:16But on fourth, back to Europeans, to our viewers watching here today, Cynthia Newarku, is it time to militarize our societies?
10:21Is it time for your voters, your children to start learning how to fight?
10:24I'll tell you what, it's time for now.
10:26It's time to realize that the cooperative military organizations that we have in relation to procurement, in relation to training, in relation to sharing intelligence, that needs to be ramped up.
10:39And yes, Europe has already reacted to the fact, in the last couple of months, that the budget of each country, we have to commit a certain percentage.
10:48Should we have voluntary military subscription for all Europeans?
10:51And we need to understand that the biggest security guarantees that any country has, it's its own military.
10:57No, no foreigner and no stranger is going to come and die for your country.
11:00And we politicians, elected officials, we need to make this point very clear.
11:05Nobody is going to come and die for your country.
11:08If you, whomever you are in what elected office you are, you need to make this clear to your people.
11:14So you have to have, you have to build up your country to be resilient to any kind of interference from outside.
11:20Either military interference, you know, electoral interference, any kind of malign interference.
11:25So building up your military is one step, but not the only step.
11:29Because you need to, we need to defend, for example, and make sure that we safeguard our correctness of the electoral process, for example.
11:36But we also need negotiation, Maeve, and we need diplomacy.
11:39So we need both.
11:39Those two elements which Trump doesn't like.
11:42Let me stop you there, because it is now to take, time to take the gloves off here.
11:49That means, Cynthia and Christian, you can challenge each other directly, just like you do in the hemicycle.
11:54So, Cynthia, you can kick off with your very first question for Christian.
11:57Certainly.
11:58Are you worried at the statement of Putin overnight, which stated, if Europe want war, we are ready for war?
12:08And how do you think Europe should react to that statement?
12:11I have to say that Putin said it from 2007, fall of 2007, in Lisbon, during a summit between EU and Russia.
12:21And he said something, and I paraphrase him, if the foreign, if the international community is going to recognize the independence of Kosovo, all the frozen conflicts from Eastern Europe are going to melt.
12:29And he nominated South Ossetia, Pazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria.
12:34So that was fall of 2007.
12:36We saw what happened in 2008.
12:38We saw then what happened in 2014 and what happened in 2022.
12:42He's tricking us with words.
12:44Russia was preparing for this war, not from today or from, like, 2014.
12:50He was, Russia was preparing for this war a few years after Putin took power.
12:55So what should the reaction be, yes, Cynthia?
12:56Well, we need to react.
12:57You need to prepare yourself for war.
12:59You need to, not for war, not to attack someone, but to be able to defend yourself.
13:04Because is that not scaremongering?
13:04Are our viewers not sitting at home fretting?
13:06I'm not scaring anybody.
13:08I'm realistic.
13:10Look at what Churchill said, for example, during the Second World War.
13:13It's exactly the kind of leadership that we need and we are missing right now.
13:16I think we need to have a nuanced, mature conversation with our voters,
13:20whether we're on the western periphery in Ireland or we're in Estonia and we're right up against it,
13:25the country of Kayakalas.
13:27We need to have a mature conversation that about the militarization and the investment in militarization.
13:33No, it doesn't mean a united European army, but it does mean massive cooperation, massive investment.
13:40But can we afford it?
13:41We will have to afford it, even though there are competing interests,
13:45whether it's farmers, which are very dear to my heart, whether it's businesses, whether it's education, Erasmus.
13:51But right now, at this point in time, we are under threat.
13:55This is the closest we've been to the Cold War that I can remember.
13:58Christian, your question now for Cynthia?
14:00You were mentioning about the price.
14:03I have to say that it's cheaper to invest in your own defense than to support the war.
14:06And we see the situation in Ukraine.
14:08It's way cheaper.
14:09Christian, your opportunity now to address a question to Cynthia.
14:11Yes, considering the...
14:12I hope it's a simple one.
14:13Well, we'll see.
14:14You know, so do you think you could have done more to help Ukraine?
14:19And if so, what?
14:21Absolutely not.
14:22I don't believe they could have done more.
14:24I think the amount of money that Europe has put in, more than the United States,
14:29and the amount of talks, time given to talks, preparation given for talks and leading out,
14:36they couldn't have done any more.
14:38I think they have ramped up and reacted with regards to the commitment of the member states
14:41to their military spend, to their defense spend.
14:45I don't think with 27 member states who have very different constitutional setups and structures,
14:51I don't see how Europe could have done more.
14:53Are we perfect?
14:54Of course not.
14:55I'm not suggesting that.
14:56But sorry, this is in real time, Maeve.
14:58But certainly not enough has been done, Cynthia, if we're entering the fourth winter of war.
15:02Ursula van der Leyen, and I wouldn't be the biggest fan of Ursula van der Leyen or President van der Leyen,
15:07but Ursula van der Leyen has reacted as swiftly as she can to a devastating new geopolitical situation
15:14that Christian has referred to, which is no support anymore from Europe, stand on your own two feet, get on with it.
15:19Well, would you agree with Cynthia?
15:22Up to a point, yes.
15:22But I think the EU could have done more sooner because now we have the 19th package of sanctions.
15:29You know, many of these sanctions could have been done right at the beginning of the invasion of Ukraine by Russia.
15:35On top of that, we could have, you know, cut their finances.
15:38You know, even right now, for example, the transportation corridors, for example, from Central Asia and China,
15:44all the goods that are coming to Europe, they are still coming through Russia, which is absurd.
15:48So on one side, you're claiming, and rightfully so, that Russia declared war to Europe.
15:53On the other side, you do business with them.
15:54It doesn't make any sense.
15:56This is what I'm calling on public officials, you know, to be correct and to be straightforward with the population
16:03because it's the only way to be able to properly defend from this kind of attacks.
16:08And briefly, what leverage do the Europeans have over President Trump, for example,
16:12who seems to trust the Russians more than he does the EU?
16:15I think the leverage that we have over the United States is to show the United States
16:19that we have heard the message loud and proud for President Trump.
16:23We are standing on our own two feet and we do have a plan.
16:26But Christian is right.
16:27There can be certainly a ramping up, particularly in relation to, excuse me, the financial sanctions,
16:33a ramp up of that instead of having so many talks about talks.
16:37Now, bearing in mind that countries, some countries in Europe are more adversely affected
16:41if we do impose the trading sanctions.
16:43So we have to be careful that we don't create another crisis.
16:46But you're quite right.
16:47Perhaps more could be done in that regard.
16:49But with regards to America, I think Christian is right.
16:52We have to stand up with a powerful voice.
16:54Kaya Callas is doing that.
16:55She's doing it in a feminine way, which obviously juxtaposes against President Trump,
17:00who's calling journalist Miss Piggy on Air Force One.
17:03But at the same time, I would prefer to have her leadership rather than the likes of what we're seeing across the pond.
17:09Cynthia, we're a big fan there of Kaya Callas.
17:12Look, we've heard some points of view from our MEPs here.
17:14And now I would like to bring in another voice.
17:21And I'd like to bring in the voice of Ben Hodges, the former commanding general of the U.S. Army Europe,
17:27speaking to me earlier here on Euronews.
17:29He said the U.S. really sees Europe as inconsequential, except maybe for some business purposes.
17:35Europe, he said, is slowly waking to the realization that they cannot count on the U.S. to be a fair interlocutor here.
17:43Christian, are we inconsequential?
17:45Up to a point, yes.
17:47He said we're fourth on the list of the priorities of the Americans.
17:50Yes, because for so many years we allowed ourselves to be fourth on their list.
17:55Trump said when he was asked recently or a few months ago, what is his position on Ukraine and how U.S. is going to react to what is happening there,
18:04he said, you know, there are two oceans between U.S. and Russia, which geographically is correct.
18:08There are two oceans, Pacific and the Atlantic Ocean.
18:12It should be us, the Europeans, the driving force of the peace deal in Ukraine.
18:17And we are not right now because we talk too much and we act soft.
18:22Russia, this is the important.
18:23Look, every time when Putin speaks, he makes reference to certain historical events.
18:29Russia developed a technique to twist historical events to their favor.
18:34Yeah.
18:34And they use that in a way to shape the narrative and to influence the population.
18:39We come with this sometimes tough talks but with soft actions and we speak and we talk publicly about immediate consequences.
18:50Let's do something right now.
18:51They have the time to wait and then when they make any reference to history, they twist what happened in the past.
18:57Can I just say, Trump has forgotten that he's got a major trading bloc and he's got major economic ties to Europe.
19:03And he's kind of forgotten about that because he's speed dating China and he's speed dating Putin.
19:08But he's after finding out now, he's after sending Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, and he's after sending Steve Widkoff and so forth.
19:16And they're after being given, as we say in Ireland, the bums rush, the shut door.
19:20They're gone now.
19:21And their proposals about more business ties between America and Russia have come to zero, zero.
19:26And now Trump is going to think, hmm, we do have an awful lot of dependency in terms of our business benefits from Europe.
19:34And interesting this week as well, NATO foreign ministers gathered in Brussels without the US Secretary of State, Marco Rubio, around the table.
19:40A very unusual move.
19:42But on that point, we can close this conversation to take a very short break here on The Ring.
19:46But do stay with us because we'll be back very soon with some more political punch from the heart of the European Parliament.
19:52Welcome back to The Ring, your news's weekly debating show broadcasting from the European Parliament here in Brussels.
20:09I'm joined by the MEP's Cynthia Niwarku from Renew Europe and Christian Teres from the European Conservatives and Reformists.
20:15And the idea here is to bring the European Parliament debates to your very couch.
20:19So, what about you? How do you feel about the war in Ukraine? Has the EU done enough?
20:25And would you be willing to fight if Russia invaded your country or another EU member state?
20:30Well, your news's reporters talk to the streets of Athens, Madrid, Bucharest and Warsaw to find out. Take a look.
20:36For respect to my family. I don't want to go anywhere, I don't want to stay with my family here, when I can be able to help.
20:44I think that we should fight as a country, if we are to fight as a country, because as a team, I would not be afraid to fight.
20:53I always fight for my country, of course.
20:55I think that it's an honor to be left for my country.
20:59So, of course, I'm left for my country.
21:01It's a joy.
21:02Es una pena que tengamos que estar pensando en este tipo de formación.
21:06En Europa hemos vivido, entre comillas, muy bien.
21:09Y quizá ahora nos toca dar el do de pecho, pero creo que antes que a nosotros, a nuestros jóvenes que nosotros llevamos teniendo una edad.
21:16Yo sí, yo incluso este año me planteo ser reservista, pero si hubiera una mili yo me apuntaría.
21:22No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
21:24No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
21:28interesante right to see how many people said they would actually be happy to die for their
21:32country Christian but we don't get to that point where somebody has to physically die war is the
21:37last resort when you go to war you know that's the that's the collapse of diplomacy so in order
21:43to prevent a war you need to prepare for war everybody talks right now and understand the
21:48reason why and they are afraid or you know in supportive of going to war but that's the last
21:52resort we need to prepare you know with all these things before that and I'm telling you
21:57if you're strong and you project power russia is not going to attack you russia is like a bear
22:02a bear is going to attack a weak animal what is this on people's minds do you think cynthia newarku
22:07in ireland for example yes i deal with ireland and ireland wasn't box but but what that shows is
22:13the difference the diversity but we have to have inclusivity for me europe is full of diversity
22:19inclusivity and liberal values that might be different for christian's party but having set
22:23that aside it shows that we as elected representatives in europe need to speak to our
22:29voters in a very reasonable informative intelligent way about the fact that militarization doesn't mean a
22:36european army it doesn't mean the destruction of neutrality in ireland it doesn't mean that
22:40youngsters in ireland are going to be signed up for conspiration it means different things to
22:44different countries but there's got to be a unity amongst europe in relation to the protection of
22:50europe and fortress europe but it doesn't mean capital f so what answer what answer cynthia
22:55would you have gotten if you went out to speak to your voters about that topic oh i think the answer
22:59in ireland would be that people are very very afraid of a militarization that destroys our
23:05neutrality attacks it in any way because that is held very dearly and of course it's in our
23:10constitution so it's different for each country it's very easy to be critical of the eu in terms of
23:16its negotiating skills and its sanctions and so forth but we have a job to do as well it's not
23:20all about the higher echelons of europe leading out so has the message been wrong from brussels and
23:25they haven't got it right this idea of rearming europe well rearming europe it's a it's a it's a
23:29good project and we fully support it but we need to go back to to the narrative he who friends the
23:34argument wins the debate the whole debate right now in both in brussels and in dc it's about let's
23:38have a peace the the narrative in moscow is let's win yeah so we don't talk anymore in europe
23:46nor in dc about winning a war that we did not started we were attacked we didn't we always talk
23:52about sf peace so that putin knows that and christian i was and christian and i at the break
23:57discussed putin wants more he wants to grab the conversation in russia is about grabbing more
24:02exactly because if you give land in exchange for peace tomorrow you'll have another war so they can
24:08take more land exactly pretended peace i was in an official delegation in latvia and i could see
24:13into russia the first billboard in russia once you pass the the the checking point it's victory
24:20so their mindset since their young age kids in russia are educated to win this war against the west
24:27this is not the war that started in 2014 or in 2008 started way earlier than that if we don't change
24:33our mindset to understand that we have on the other side it's not even the other side of the table
24:37because they're not at the table the the other side of the of the battlefield pretty much an opponent
24:42that really wants to wipe you out you will not be able to win this war so i would use exactly the
24:47same narrative as ronald reagan used to say when he was asked how do you think the cold war is gonna
24:51end very simple we win they lose and on that point we can bring this segment to an end and move on to
24:57our fifth and final round
24:59our guest meps are only allowed answer my question with a yes and no answer is that doable christian yes
25:09bring it on
25:10should you crane join the european union yes yes should they be fast-charged into the european union
25:17yes yes uh should ukraine be allowed join nato and that is still on the that's a very that's not a
25:27binary yes or no christian yes what about peacekeepers should we be sending eu peacekeepers to ukraine
25:32christian we should send more weapons to ukraine and peacekeepers when the time comes yes we should
25:37indeed absolutely and i would be absolutely delighted if our irish peacekeeping forces could go to ukraine
25:43they have a wonderful history should the eu have an army yes or no but he already has a national army
25:48we need to make sure that they work together and fight for the same cause should the eu have a national
25:53a european army with the european flag if i understand in the way you're putting the question
25:57no i don't believe in that should we use frozen russian acids to fund ukraine most definitely yes
26:05should we block then the belgian veto for this well we need to talk more in inside of eu to make
26:11sure that they they understand the the game that that is played here yes to his answer i agree with
26:17his answer and if the war nuanced did end and russia did come around should we lift the sanctions
26:23against russia cynthia and yes i believe in the spirit of finality of the war but of course putin
26:30doesn't believe in finality he just wants more he wants to make the russian empire great again
26:36are better than it is now christian we need to make sure that russia loses this war the sanctions
26:43should be uh kept on place until they fully pay ukraine for the damage that they've done have you
26:49agreed with each other i think quite a lot right well this is a topic that despite our ideological
26:53differences you know this is a topic that unites us and i know the the the this this show is more
26:59about fighting and stuff sometimes politicians from different political groups will need to
27:05understand that there are issues that exceed their political differences and this is one i i hope this
27:11program renews the viewers interest and support for the european project we certainly have shown our
27:17viewers i believe a glimpse of the european hemicycle where sometimes meps disagree and sometimes in fact
27:22they agree cynthia newarku and christian teresh thank you so much for being our guests on the ring thanks
27:28me and thank you so much for watching if you have any views on anything you've heard today please get
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