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Seth and Sean react to Steve Palazzolo calling out Seth as a turncoat against the Jaguars on the Check the Mic podcast, and Seth sets the record straight.
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00:00All right, so maybe it's all this brain trauma that's turned you into such a turncoat, according to Steve Palazzolo, formerly of Pro Football Focus.
00:08And thanks to one of our listeners for pointing this out.
00:10I tend to listen to these guys once a week because they do a pretty good and succinct recap of the Texans games, every game in the NFL.
00:17But Steve Palazzolo and Sam Monson, when you listen to this audio, you'll have to know that Steve Palazzolo is a Jaguars fan.
00:24And he looks at me as a former Jaguars player because he watched me when he was a young kid growing up.
00:30And they were talking about some Jaguars writer who was kind of a jackass when they brought up my name.
00:37I know Seth's watching, covering the Texans.
00:39Seth wouldn't stand for that.
00:40No.
00:41Seth wouldn't.
00:41He wouldn't allow that to happen.
00:43No.
00:43Seth would never.
00:44Where does he stand in this?
00:45Because he's a former of both teams, right?
00:48He's a Texans guy now.
00:49Okay.
00:51I mean, he's a 99-jax legend.
00:53When they play, what does he do?
00:54Twice a year.
00:55Does he have to have that split jersey that Mama Kelsey wears?
00:58No, he's all Texans.
01:00Okay.
01:00He's all Texans now.
01:01Bit of a turncoat, I would say.
01:04Seth.
01:06I can't argue with him.
01:08Yeah.
01:08Bit of a turncoat.
01:09Bit of a turncoat.
01:10That's not fair because, as I've explained many times, the Jaguars cast me out.
01:16Right.
01:16And, as soon as that happened, I said, well, listen, I ain't one of these newfangled athletes,
01:21you know, who's just a mercenary.
01:23I'm not no easy money sniper, as Colin Coward chose to misinterpret Kevin Durant's handle
01:30on Twitter or whatever.
01:32I commit to a team.
01:35Yeah.
01:35So, when they cast me out, I'll tell you one thing, Sean.
01:38I didn't, you know, Coughlin tried to get a hold of me for a good year after that and
01:43to further explain the scenario, and I didn't accept his calls.
01:46Hold up.
01:47Tom Coughlin was trying ferociously to get in touch with you for a year because he put
01:53you into the expansion draft.
01:54Yeah, Chris Palmer.
01:55So, he called to tell me that they were putting me in, and I was like, okay, that's cool,
01:59whatever.
02:00And then, after it all happened, he tried to call me multiple times.
02:03I remember Chris Palmer, the first offensive coordinator for the Texans, he had been in
02:07Jacksonville as well.
02:08Yeah.
02:08Knew Tom Coughlin really well.
02:09Yep.
02:09One day, before we were going into a meeting, Chris came up to me and he said, hey, Seth,
02:13you know, you should really give Tom a call back.
02:15Ah, he had reached out to Palmer, too.
02:17Like, hey, man, can you have Seth give me a call?
02:19And I said, no, not going to do it.
02:22I can see that.
02:23Then I put my finger in Palmer's chest and I said, I hold grudges.
02:27Yeah.
02:27And I don't want you coming up to me one more time.
02:30You're telling me I need to go.
02:33You go take care of David Carr, okay?
02:34Because it ain't going so hot.
02:36All right?
02:36Little man.
02:37Stop trying to run this.
02:38Chris Palmer comes in trying to run the damn run and shoot with his rookie quarterback.
02:41Oh.
02:41Yeah, it's a mess.
02:43It's a fiasco.
02:44You're sitting here wasting time trying to be a liaison between me and a guy I'm holding
02:47a grudge against?
02:48Right.
02:49Not a chance.
02:49Right now, I'm a Texan.
02:51I have no reason to have a relationship with that guy.
02:53Hell, Coughlin might be trying to pump you for information.
02:56That's right.
02:57To give the Jags a better chance against the expansion Texans the next season.
03:00I hold grudges.
03:02Yep.
03:02I keep it old school.
03:03I hate the opponent.
03:04Yeah.
03:04Hey, I know we talked about this yesterday with the expansion draft and you had said it
03:08was kind of like a, and I know it's out there, like it was kind of an arrangement that you
03:12and Buscelli and Gary Walker were all sort of a package deal in the whole thing.
03:15Yeah.
03:15It was a cap relief and Buscelli had his injury issues.
03:19When Coughlin called you to tell you that you were going to be put in the expansion draft,
03:23did he tell you that too?
03:25No.
03:25Or did he say, hey, there might be a chance you're back though.
03:27They might not pick you.
03:28No, because that would have been, well, I knew the rules of the draft and everything.
03:32I can't remember if he explained it that way or not.
03:35It was, it was kind of, um, I, it was, boy, I don't want to misrepresent anything for one.
03:42It wouldn't technically be legal.
03:43I don't think for the Texans to say that, Hey, uh, that you guys, we're going to expose
03:48all these guys.
03:49And the Texans, if, if basically as long as you take all of them, we won't pull any of
03:55like, we won't pull anybody back because they needed the cap relief.
03:58Let me, let me frame it differently.
03:59A little more simply.
04:01Did you think there was a chance you were still going back to Jacksonville?
04:03I didn't get to swim in that swimming pool that you put in your backyard.
04:06Yeah.
04:07That's what I was trying to explain is that at first I went in and I just went and cause
04:13I didn't know, I didn't know the deal right off.
04:15Gotcha.
04:16And, uh, and the first day I was in there working out, I'm still technically on the
04:20team and everything.
04:20I'm just exposed in the expansion draft and the head athletic trainer, Michael Ryan, Mike
04:24Ryan came in and, uh, and said, Hey Seth, you know, I, I called Coughlin and told him
04:29you're in here working out.
04:30And he, and he said, that's okay.
04:31It's okay.
04:32And I'm like, I had no idea that it might not be okay.
04:34Yeah, exactly.
04:35That's what I'm saying.
04:36Now I'm going to get my workout done.
04:37I'm totally intrigued.
04:39That's when the grudgery started because it was like, wait a second.
04:42Oh, wait a second.
04:42I didn't know I was an unfavored citizen here in this, in this scenario.
04:48That's what I'm going to make it real uncomfortable for you, old man.
04:50I didn't mean to rip the scab off for you on that, but that's what I was getting at.
04:53I I'm, we're not going to have another expansion process in the NFL, maybe in our lifetimes.
04:5832 is really a perfect number.
05:01And I don't know that the NFL owners are all that hepped up about splitting their pie with
05:05two more teams or something like that.
05:06They might put a team in Prague for all I know.
05:08They might.
05:09And, and, and the expansion fee might be $6 billion literally to get a new team.
05:13Cause that's what it would cost to buy a team.
05:15And I'm just fascinated by that process.
05:17Like the, it's a very rare process, you know, the expansion, it's not like the draft is every
05:22year.
05:22The expansion draft happened like three times in our lifetime.
05:25And it was the first time that I think I have to go back and check my history on this,
05:29but that year, at least there were more viable starters in the expansion draft than there
05:34ever had been before because, because of cap scenarios and whatnot, they look in because
05:39the way they structured it, you know, we got a, we got a bunch of guys, you know, we
05:43got Marcus Coleman and Aaron Glenn from the Jets, got Jamie Sharper from the Ravens.
05:46Like, so that was the first time the expansion draft wasn't just a bunch of journey mess.
05:53Text message at the shoot.
05:54If you're up early in texting, we'll read you.
05:56Always a place for pettiness.
05:58I would have been the same, Seth.
06:00That's good.
06:00I do.
06:02That's a part if, not that, you know, I need to plead the case for the, a little bit more
06:08humanity.
06:09Why you're not a, why you're not a turncoat.
06:11Yeah.
06:11No, but when, you know, when people, yeah, people love the concept or the idea of players
06:15that want to be on a team for life.
06:17And I had that mindset when I was in Jacksonville, I had some good times.
06:20First time in my life, I'd ever been on a really good football team.
06:23And I just, I wanted to be on one team for my entire career.
06:27So all of a sudden, when the harsh reality is thrown in your face, you're like, oh, all
06:31right, well, I guess this is the business.
06:33You get a little bit, you get a little bit, uh, the calloused to the more emotional side
06:39of the game.
06:39Yeah.
06:39What's the percentage.
06:40And when I say percentage, I'm not talking about guys that play for one team for their
06:44whole career.
06:44Cause they were a rookie and then got cut.
06:46I'm talking about guys like, what's the percentage of guys that get, let's say they get to a second
06:50contract.
06:51They'd end up playing their whole career with the same team.
06:53It's gotta be, it's gotta be less than 3%.
06:56It's got to be low, especially because by the final, you know, by your third or fourth contract,
07:01if you're kind of on your way out, that's where in feeling guys, if feelings get hurt
07:05because they feel like, Hey, I wanted to stay here and you're insulting me with this offer.
07:09JJ Watt and Andre Johnson didn't finish their careers as a Houston Texan.
07:13I mean, that's all you need to say.
07:15I guess the one that I'm thinking of for the Texans.
07:17Oh, no, no, no.
07:18Well, Teddy, yeah, Teddy, Teddy Bruschi kind of committed to, Hey, I'm going to stay here.
07:22He played for less than probably his market value.
07:24The reason this guy pops into my head is because I just saw a video yesterday in which we are featured
07:28prominently.
07:29Hey, Brian Cushing was who the, like the 10 greatest Texans are or the 10 most, 10 most
07:36popular Texans of all time.
07:38And, and it not including the young guys on this team.
07:41Like I think Will and CJ are in that, in that realm, but guys who are retired, let's say
07:46Cushing's the only one I can think of that, that went his whole career with, with Houston
07:50Texans.
07:51Yeah.
07:51Cause you have to kind of make a decision at some point where, okay, do you really, usually
07:56most guys get to a point where the team they're on, I, you know, they've drafted a replacement
08:01or somebody who's younger at that point, it just makes more financial sense that you got
08:05to say, okay, do I want to keep playing or do I just want to retire and call it?
08:10Hey, I was, I was with this team forever.
08:11And most guys just, most guys, most guys are a year or two behind on realizing when it's
08:17time to pack it in.
08:18You know, even if there's no financial component to it, it's just, you don't, you're in denial.
08:22You don't want to accept it.
08:23You can't, you can't judge yourself and whether you're good anymore or not.
08:26For most guys, they're not going to find another job that pays $4 million a year or something
08:30like that.
08:31That's true.
08:31I've learned that.
08:32Yes.
08:32Yeah.
08:34You're not making $4 million bucks.
08:36I'm making, yeah, that's a point.
08:38It's one thing I discovered.
08:39Sorry, I didn't mean to make, I didn't mean to let that slip.
08:41Um, no, that is a, that is a, that is a one part of the dynamic of everybody's, if you're
08:48playing the league, you get your judgment so thrown off about how, like, honestly, I
08:53remember talking to my friend, Don Davey, who's a very successful businessman.
08:55Yeah.
08:56Very, very successful.
08:57Like incredible.
08:58Like he might be making way more money than he made when he was in the NFL.
09:01Yeah.
09:01You've talked about him.
09:02Yeah.
09:02Yeah.
09:02But I remember having a conversation with him and this was while I was still a player,
09:06but I was at his house and talking about Don.
09:11I'm saying, and it's just how genuinely difficult it is to even make $100,000 per year.
09:18Yeah.
09:18The guys understand that they're going to make, they're going to be making a lot less money
09:22doing whatever they do in retirement, but they don't genuinely really understand or grasp
09:26how hard it is to make a hundred thousand, certainly $200,000 a year is still a very small
09:32percentage of the population.
09:35Way less than 1%.
09:36Right, right.
09:37So it's, uh, yeah, that's one of the things like the kind of the readjust, even if you know
09:40it intellectually, you don't really feel it until you get out on those streets, you know,
09:44you get that pay stub, you know, like, Oh, this, I, these checks are not as big.
09:50What's going on?
09:51Plus the concept of a hard worker in the league is so far out of whack of a hard worker in
09:55real life.
09:56Yeah.
09:56Because if you're a hard worker, I was always considered a hard worker, but I was lucky
09:59enough to grow up, uh, you know, working on farms where I knew that hard work is getting
10:05up at 4am and doing miserable, miserable stuff all day long.
10:10So I was, I was, I was a quote unquote hard worker in the NFL, but it always felt like I
10:15was getting away with something because there's only so much physical work you can do before
10:20your rest becomes the primary thing.
10:22You can't work out for 12 hours.
10:24And, uh, yeah.
10:26So that's, that's the other part of it is, Oh no, if you want to make $200,000 a year
10:29in the real world and be thought of as a hard worker in the real world, that's a whole different
10:34deal.
10:35It is.
10:35It is a text message.
10:37John Weeks is the living legend Texan.
10:39Even John Weeks is a San Francisco 49er.
10:41Yeah.
10:42He wanted to finish his career as a Texan.
10:44I would imagine he's in San Francisco now.
10:46Arian Foster.
10:47Someone said, no, Arian Foster was a dolphin for like nine.
10:52I come up with that Achilles tear.
10:54I am surprised by how many of, uh, I shouldn't say how many, but there were, we have some
10:58listeners who will text in when we have these discussions and they always bring up all these
11:02names where no, no, they're there.
11:05A lot.
11:05Arian Foster gets brought up a lot.
11:07Yeah.
11:07I think it's because I think people go into a little bit of denial.
11:10I mean, the Texans played against Arian Foster when he was a Miami dolphin, right?
11:14Yeah.
11:15Yeah.
11:16And, uh, it's, uh, yeah, I think people just try to, they try to, uh, selectively forget.
11:21Yeah.
11:21No, wait.
11:21No, no, no.
11:22The, the, the Dolphins game was the game in 2015 where he tore his Achilles.
11:26Yeah.
11:27Yeah.
11:27Yeah.
11:27And then he played like half the season the next year and he's like, nah, I'm done.
11:30Uh, I'm going to go do my podcast.
11:32Um, question, how did the Jags fans feel about Cecil shorts?
11:37He's got to be viewed as the biggest turncoat.
11:40I know.
11:40Well, cause he was an actual draft pick by the Jaguars and played four years there.
11:44Yup.
11:45He spent one season with the Texans.
11:47One season with the Texans, but now he's the hype man on game day for the Texans.
11:50Oh yeah.
11:51That's what I'm thinking.
11:52Like he's, he's, he's full bore in Texan.
11:55And it was just one season.
11:57Yeah.
11:57Yeah.
11:58Oh man.
11:59You got to text Cecil and find out.
12:01Have you been, have you gotten any turncoat heat from Jags fans?
12:04Cecil and I were the exact same draft pick.
12:07If I remember correctly.
12:08One 14 different years.
12:09One 14.
12:10Yup.
12:10Yup.
12:10Thank you for knowing that when I don't.
12:12Well, two of my very good friends in the business are the 114th pick in the, in their
12:15respective NFL drafts.
12:16So yeah.