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GQ sits in one a trialogue between Men of the Year cover stars Clipse and GQ editor Frazier Tharpe at the Chateau Marmont. Clipse duo Pusha T and Malice talk Grammys Album of the Year for Let God Sort Em Out and changing the rap game (again).Credits:Director: Nick CollettDirector of Photography: AJ YoungEditor: Parker DixonTalent: Clipse; Frazier TharpeProducer: Cara MarceanteCoordinating Producer: Sam DennisLine Producer: Jen SantosProduction Manager: James PipitoneProduction Coordinator: Elizabeth HymesTalent Booker: Ernesto MaciasCamera Operator: Shay Eberle-Gunst; Oliver LukacsGaffer: Lucas VilicichDIT: Lauren WoronaSound Mixer: Justin FoxProduction Assistant: Fernando Barajas; Hollie OrtizMake-up Artist: Holly Silius (for Frazier Tharpe)Post Production Supervisor: Jess DunnPost Production Coordinator: Stella ShortinoSupervising Editor: Rob LombardiAssistant Editor: Justin Symonds; Billy WardSpecial Thanks: Chateau Marmont
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00:00People know me they see me they see me you know in my highs they see me in my
00:04lows they see me in my conflict you know what I'm saying so if you know
00:08anything about me you can't say that guy's crazy. You also get to talk that
00:13shit again too. Yeah oh oh man man.
00:24Fellas. Yo. What's up brother. Good to see you again. Yeah. Long time no see.
00:28Yeah not that long. Not that long. Not that long. One thing that we heard this
00:33year was a lot of people were really into the rollout. Yeah man. Especially like
00:37just just the intention behind it but the funny thing about that is like it it
00:41was traditional in a sense like it wasn't anything shocking or any gimmicks
00:44but right I think that speaks to like a again like a feeling that was missing.
00:48Right yeah. You had to restore or help restore. Right right yeah but because you
00:54got to understand too we're trying to you know we're creating this music but
00:59we're also trying to really recreate the the the enthusiasm amongst you know
01:07ourselves like we got the enthusiasm but like we're trying to see it and feel it
01:11in the world. Yeah yeah. You know I'm saying it's not man I'm not I'm not getting up
01:16going to you know 7-eleven picking up a mag arguing with my man about somebody got
01:23three and a half mics and and you know and then just a large yeah you know I'm
01:27saying or or not hearing it at all or not hearing it seeing him like oh man I got to
01:32go hear that like those touch points aren't really out here like that anymore.
01:36Yeah. You know I'm saying people aren't sitting down with Frazier they're not they
01:41won't they won't do it bro. Yeah. Like they're surprised dropping the music so
01:47they don't have to get no feedback on nothing. Yeah. This is what they'll do you
01:51know versus like yo now let's let's let's put it on the table like let's we
01:56really standing on it like people don't stand on business like this is the best
02:00way to do it musically like yo let's just stand on it like you the best I'm the
02:06best we all the best. And then it means that much more when you come out on
02:08stage and say album of the year. Exactly you know when you talk about just the
02:11nostalgia of music hip-hop journalism what it meant being hot in the streets the
02:19chatter the the opinions the the the school the lunch table lunch table
02:24arguments the barbershop arguments that's what the whole rollout was about
02:29that's what the whole mindset of that rollout was about. In the midst of that too
02:33did you feel a sort of protectiveness over your brother like the one thing that
02:37came up when we spoke last time was like the foolishness that can surround
02:41the industry in a lot of these games like especially bringing him back into the
02:45fold stepping into this not being like was there a sense of like all right let me
02:49I'm not gonna I'm not gonna bring you to this yeah well that that was that was my
02:54mentality yeah that was definitely my mentality no I know what come with this
03:00for sure but but I feel like me I mean just me and my heart I was like man you
03:06know we're gonna get everything do us we're gonna get everything do us it's
03:10gotta look a certain way be a certain way feel a certain way man the trifecta of
03:15myself my brother and Pharrell there's nobody else that we need musically to do
03:23what we gotta do just you know just our circle like we got it yeah so it's like
03:29people who are not with the agenda who are not with that agenda that's it you
03:35can't you you know we don't I don't I don't want to be connected to it I don't
03:39want to there's nothing selfishly selfishly I don't want nothing to do
03:43with anyone how about that I just don't like that's just what it is so you kind of
03:49drew that line in the sand right right right you got not to get too meta but
03:53you got a lot of criticism a little bit for some interviews like ours and others
03:58of being confrontational right and people would say that you're doing that to
04:03promote you're stoking that to promote yeah look who's saying that though yeah
04:07man look who's saying that because on the other end of that spectrum there are
04:12people who really see clearly that push it don't lean on that kind of stuff is
04:18crazy stuff that could be he's very the counter the counter I would have said is
04:24that you didn't really engage like you could have drawn stuff out like yeah
04:30responded to you people and look how long he sat on what has been going on but
04:35that's what I do on the other side you know what I'm saying so they think that we
04:39play that over here now we don't and we don't snitch and we don't tell standing
04:43on it yeah for sure say what I had to say that's it and that's it and I mean you
04:48know and it was just about again you mentioned the rollout and when you
04:54mentioned those scenarios you can't let the journalism be a main focus of the
05:01rollout and you tiptoe around shit yeah that's what you know I'm saying like I
05:06wasn't gonna come in it be an open book yo critique the music yo you know give
05:11you to give you the stories give you the scenarios and be tiptoeing around the
05:15story talking about this yeah like you can't do that or so it's like you know
05:19I'll take the criticism that's fine but never call me a liar because I never lie
05:25I never lie I think let me tell you something I think lions for bitches if you
05:31lie about shit that's because you scared of something and you know I'm not scared of
05:35anything or anybody so what I say is what I say or and as long as you know I'll
05:41take the criticism as long as you know I'm not lying though and that's it so take
05:46it back to this time last year 2024 right mm-hmm I'm sure you were probably a
05:51little bit frustrated with having this great body work on deck right bullshit
05:57label politics holding it up games holding it up right but in a way it's like
06:01there's a sense of divine timing here because this year is unfolding
06:04incredibly in a way that could have only unfolded with that series of events
06:08right it's something that I feel like I've learned and I've learned it a lot from
06:13watching my brother too like he he doesn't get ruffled by anything that
06:18happens like you know man he goes with the flow of everything he was like man this
06:23is how it's supposed to be I've never had that approach man I try to keep
06:28everything in line in order like this how I supposed to go yeah and with this
06:34with this particular project man I I couldn't have been more wrong and having
06:39that attitude I've always had the same approach he had I learned this yeah I
06:44was taught this approach and what ways for both of you did you have to come to
06:48learn because you know life life will hand you a bunch of curveballs you know
06:53and being trying to be in control and trying to manage everything you know and
06:59it can put you at your wits in yeah and then it still happens the way that it was
07:05meant to happen right right what I'm saying so that that's just something that I
07:09learned in this 16 year absence for sure like I'm picturing the one video the
07:15classic video you banging on the wall to drop numbers on the board right I know
07:19you were doing that this time last year right no for sure are you kidding me like
07:23I demand you know and to think we had the heat heat we feel like yo you know like
07:29that's one thing about it when we make it we were extremely confident about it and
07:34happy to you like eager to yeah eager to put it out like we want everybody to you
07:38know I mean come on man it's all about letting people hear it you know I'm
07:43saying and just getting yourself in the conversation and you know taking the
07:48critiques the good with the bad and just hearing it all like that's the type of
07:51energy that we look for in in making rap music that's the type of energy we
07:56thrive off of yeah it's always competitive but it's it's always about hearing the
08:02opinions man and just being like damn you know what they might be a little right
08:05about that or whatever the case may be I just love to hear it all yeah but not
08:10being able to get it out man it's stifling yeah you know what the hell we
08:15doing at all times probably it was almost dry bro like it when it's cooked
08:20it's cooked work like and we know it's cooked and it's like the same way we
08:26don't make a lot of records you know when there's never extras and leftovers and
08:30things like that we have that same energy when we actually create with what we
08:37create and we know that that's what it is yeah like it's not it's not a lot of
08:41going back and re-tinkering and retooling and you let I let Pharrell do that I let
08:47him do that on production or stuff but as far as these raps go no way yeah can we
08:53talk about process a little because now that we've been sitting with the album
08:57for a close to a full year now and like picking up all these different bars and
09:01nothing last time we talked malice he described it as like stickiness yeah I
09:04think T said that as far as stickiness but yeah yeah and then but also like
09:09the like Pharrell was cooking up like a la carte right with him making beats
09:14and you said one thing I think you said this to Joe Budden about how you have to
09:17sometimes tell him what you don't want or take things back scale things back
09:20right what is that that process like to like fine-tune everything the three of
09:26you have been working together for so long but still chasing new highs I think
09:30that's what we find we find so it's a lot of different emotions that go into
09:34that process because I think you find the childhood fun oh definitely you know
09:39you find the childhood fun of of exploring and and finding you know new
09:45sound sonics and flows right or but then you just get into the stubbornness of
09:50just knowing exactly what you want and not wanting to like waver yeah I'm extremely
09:56passionate about hardcore lyric driven hip-hop word I think that's where you
10:05show your skill set yeah okay so it's like I don't think that ever goes out of
10:09style and I don't think a lot of people can do it yeah with taste and swag you
10:14know I'm saying it's like man I feel like that's our lane so that's not the the
10:19target or the bullseye you know after song one two or three I'm getting pissed he's
10:25like nah man you need these colors and these colors is what's going like people
10:30gonna feel this and I'm like man listen you better get to it and then this you
10:35know is you know it gets we get into a big tug of war sometimes but the process
10:42is the process yeah you know the product and you got to go through the process man
10:46sometimes we'll be in there and he'll be tinkering with something that we
10:51absolutely hate but you know you sit back and you let him go through his
10:58process because he's while he's going through his process he's also watching
11:02you and he's he's knowing that you're not moved all right and he's you know he'll
11:06he'll find something or strike a chord that actually does make you move and
11:12he'll be like oh I got you just strip everything down he was doing and then hone
11:16in on that and then he starts building again sometimes you just got to sit
11:20through the process was there any song that made the cut that you remember was
11:24like that Mike Tyson blow to the face Mike Tyson yeah that's my favorite yeah
11:30wow wow that's crazy Mike or POV which were two songs that I believe yeah yeah
11:38all right oh yeah yeah almost off I started hearing whispers about that song
11:43it's not gonna be on it and it it was no way in the world I was gonna let that
11:48happen man yeah well I'm a man okay play up to that that process was one
11:53where where it started one place and ended up and loving yeah yeah for sure the
11:59process for both of those were kind of similar and you know Pharrell just wouldn't
12:06let up mm-hmm he wouldn't let up I believe the POV portion of it there was a lot of
12:14production tinkering yeah and he was watching him battle himself even with the
12:19switching of the beat on Malice's verse man that's my favorite that that part is
12:23hard and see in that and that says a lot or speaks to what we're saying about the
12:28process because I was hot that the beat change or yeah I was totally upset totally
12:34upset when I write you know to to a beat in the flow it's like I'm married to it
12:39this is what I'm it's the canvas it's the foundation it's what I'm laying to so I
12:43don't want it changed later so you wrote to the original the original yeah yeah
12:48and it seemed like you know people the response to it is not crazy
12:51when that change hits in the in the whip I go extra but that's what's crazy
12:56because you have to learn you you have to trust Pharrell with what he knows yeah you
13:00know when he's doing what he does and he knows it you know you just got to trust
13:04him with it yeah you know okay so when you guys describe it like that that way I
13:07can I can understand why you are more reticent to rap on other producers beats
13:11now oh yeah yeah definitely I don't think I just don't think everybody's a
13:16producer yeah I think there's a different the huge difference between beat
13:21makers and producers right and I think there's a level of cohesiveness that our
13:26fans are accustomed to in the raps in the production in the flow and the
13:32marriage of it all yeah I think that other producers I don't know if their
13:37vision is as intricate as our process whereas though they may have like fire
13:43beats and you know I mean it's a lot of people dope beats out there but um there's
13:49always been a big emphasis put on composition in dealing with with Pharrell
13:56even even as far back as the Neptunes it's always been about composition so I
14:01think that has set us apart in all the albums yeah yeah the actual song of it
14:09all I think that's what actually broke the clips through and cut through when man
14:15spit is out yeah it was lost yeah a lot a lot of real spit is out a lot of talk
14:20this year has been about malice especially coming back after so long and
14:23embodying pretty much every verse appreciate it thank you you guys are
14:28going like 50 back 50 50 on the album I say right yeah but no really 50 50 I
14:33don't know I've been that you know you know 70 30 80 20 but what I've been here
14:40well here's what I want to talk about though because I don't want with it man I
14:44want malice to speak to your work and because a lot of the songs are like you
14:51like laying the foundation or on the hook and you're kind of building the
14:54framework for gene to come in and body it so I wanted right I wanted gene to talk
14:59about that process from your his point of view about you what I think it is as far
15:04as me in the verses is that pushing been the only one rapping all this time in my
15:10opinion you know sitting back like the only one like rapping to me in a lyric
15:16driven hip-hop so I I think people do get taken back a little bit when they
15:21understand that he has a brother we come from the same school you know I'm saying
15:24so I think that's all that is but this has always been our setup this isn't new
15:31push it come in usually he'll do the first verse most times push up make it to
15:37the studio before me so that's it you know it starts building from that point
15:41or whatever I don't mind being the cleanup man yeah
15:44pinch hitter yeah yeah for sure you know people call it a comeback but it's not
15:49it's not correct because you're not making music in between yeah I get like two
15:53albums yeah what did you learn about yourself during that time of being like a
15:58solo artist as a rapper I can appreciate that question because I didn't really
16:04start hearing how much people enjoyed my two solo projects until we're out
16:09doing interviews and you know all the video and yours is with fires fires fire
16:13you know and I'm like oh yeah so you know it didn't get that light but I
16:18definitely understand why you know it didn't get the mainstream light but I
16:23even feel on those projects like I was rapping my best mm-hmm what I learned
16:27about myself it's what I was learning in life my experiences the inventory that I
16:38was taking on myself the corrections that needed to be made I just felt totally
16:45free to just to speak it you know I wasn't sharing a platform you know I
16:51didn't have to share anything it's just me uninhibited and just going crazy so it
16:58was good it was definitely therapeutic and then how do you apply that when you
17:03come back into the to the group because it's a applicable period you know everything
17:11that I've learned everything that I've experienced in the fact that I've walked
17:16the walk that I walk makes me relatable and it's not like some strange doctrine
17:25that I'm talking about people know me they see me they see me you know in my
17:29highs they see me in my lows they see me in my conflict you know what I'm saying
17:33so if you know anything about me you can't say that guy's crazy if you ever
17:39related to me you can't say you know he's off you know who I am you've been
17:43seeing who I am you know all this time you've experienced my my music my art so
17:49I'm definitely who you think I am you also get to talk that shit again too yeah
17:53oh man next to this guy yeah now like when the albums cut in the midst of
18:01coming out right and people ask more it feels like a crazy thing to ask because
18:06you guys are just putting this one out it's like let us get this one out then
18:09we'll think about it now they're at the end of the year if it's is there any
18:13trepidation to continuing with clips because this has gone so perfectly and
18:19it's like how do we meet this no I don't think so no you know at the end of
18:23the day the the skill set is speaking volumes yeah man you know bro it'd be so
18:32easy man I'm telling you it's so easy man yeah and it is not it is not even you
18:39know about us trying to outdo what the last thing we've done mm-hmm it is so
18:45much opportunity like people are when they speak about the album it's it's
18:51incredible because I'm hearing healing people I feel like they have lost the
18:56the sense of this kind of intellect exists like where have y'all been you know
19:01what I'm saying and that's not no kind of arrogance it needs to be shared you know we
19:06all everybody needs to uplift each other you know and uh just to know that this this
19:12thought process exists this art exists we heard from the beginning that this the
19:18feeling has been restored yep you know so it's not like uh people weren't aware of it
19:24we just haven't had it in so long and we're bringing it to you and I believe that is
19:28gonna be more yeah oh man back in the lab already more music coming man oh okay
19:33let's it's more coming man let's get it you know it how could we not bro how could
19:38we not one thing that got people really excited too I think was um it's one thing
19:42for you guys to be back together but the Jid feature specifically was like oh man
19:47they're collaborating again now too like all right scary shout out Jid you got out
19:51yeah yeah shout out Jid man shout out Jid and like just cuz he cuz he rap he raps he
19:58raps man he raps man and it's Jid and those and those who do have the skill set who you
20:05know again we we find the we find the enjoyment in that steel sharp and steel yeah man you find
20:12a competitive spirit but you also just find that love of hip-hop that we know you know I'm
20:19saying when when this was only the criteria yeah like you know this takes it back to a time it's
20:24artists like Jid they'll take it to a time of where like you had to know how to rap to be on a song
20:31but you know I'm saying every verse had to be a killer yeah come on man in addition to clips
20:37though you were kind of on a solo journey I think last time you and I talked for almost dry kind of
20:46talking about your process and like how it was you were in the midst of like perfecting your style
20:51and and becoming like a perfectly honed version of what you've already been mm-hmm is that solo
20:56evolution still continuing yeah I think you know I can't you can't let it go you know I'm saying you
21:01can't let it go now could you through some projects out there yeah I get like a drama mixtape yeah yeah
21:06yeah I mean man I listen I'd love to I love to do it all yeah but specifically drama work yeah
21:14specifically drama all right good um man it's been it's been therapeutic to like be doing the clips
21:20like I mean you you know you mentioned all the solo stuff yeah but it's like it's like a weight lifted
21:26off my shoulder and I feel like it was so much centered around my solo projects you know I'm saying
21:32it's always drama it was all always so much going on right being able to take a step back from it
21:37uh-huh and oh you with my brother still bled over it still bled over yeah it bleeds over but but be with my
21:46brother and um I don't know man just just just uh kind of create from a different mindset you know
21:54I'm saying just like a partner just uh right hive mind oh right but you know I feel like I feel like
22:00my solo mindset was just all war you know what I'm saying I feel like my clips mindset like you
22:06you tap into those things but you get to tap into other emotions as well which is more me that's
22:11interesting yeah I feel like other people would describe it differently like and say that oh now
22:15I'm solo I can talk about more things by myself but it's interesting that being with your brother
22:20opens you up to talk about because you are you guys are talking about more like all things considered
22:23yeah yeah yeah everyone talks about birds but all things considered especially like you're talking
22:28about like miscarriage and wanting to have another child and stuff like that like you're getting
22:32rawer in ways that we haven't really heard you we've been an open book we talk about everything
22:36concerning us yeah you know and things that we think the you know our our fans want to hear
22:42and anything that uh lends itself to to good music and good art the truth yeah yeah because you know
22:48we we don't make a record and hide behind it we get in front of it we talk to you know people
22:55like yourself and and let you look at it and let you you know pick it apart if you want to say what
23:00you like about it what you don't like about it but either way we face it or you know what I'm saying
23:05and that's what we're about now when um we talked about the divine timing of the release when people
23:11try to crash that did it spoil the moment or try to take away or listen listen they definitely tried
23:17everybody has a right to do what they do whatever you have the power to do whatever tools you have
23:23to utilize that goes for everybody you know so yeah I wouldn't expect no one don't you fall back
23:30for me don't do let's let's just play do it what it is yep and see how we embrace it yeah yeah and love
23:36it all yeah ain't no sitting around moping and wishing nah let's rock okay let's rock yeah you cheat
23:43we cheat everybody cheat everybody cheat what's up they were trying they were ony they had the bot swarming
23:51the tour data oh man let me tell you something that's corny like let me tell you something though
23:55if you knew what I thought about botting and like just people like all of that if you knew what I
24:02thought you wouldn't even do that to me like niggas are becoming a chart projection right like come on
24:07bro like we're talking about the data bro what you know you know how fire let god sold my tour was
24:13fire I went and actually let me tell you because so um I live here now I live in LA okay but I was
24:19I was I had like FOMO not being in New York because I'm used to I'm used to like you're listening right
24:23right right right I would have been like that you guys have a very like east coast energy right and
24:28I'm gonna be in there with like 50 of my niggas going bar for bar right but then come to find out
24:33like the LA show was a little crazy the LA show was harder yeah yeah LA show might have been tough
24:40yeah uh why was Virginia not in the set at first because New York people told me that I was like
24:46wait what and then when you guys did in LA I was going crazy I think we started that when we did it
24:50at home right yeah yeah that's what we were just saying we have to do Virginia at home word yeah I guess
24:56waited yeah I guess yeah pretty much tapped it's but it's a mainstay everywhere we yeah honestly that
25:02setlist could have gone like six or seven more songs from me you think so I need it I know so
25:07oh I need it riding around shining you man I'm good I need it EBITDA let me tell you a problem
25:15that we have that we have that we discuss when it comes to the setlist we like to say the fans are
25:2216 to 60 right and you had the one the kids popped up that was like you got 16 to 60 sometimes skews a
25:30little lower a little younger sometimes skews a little higher right and there are many different
25:35points it when people got introduced to clips right pusher malice right you know yo you got some
25:45people from 02 you got some people who started 2010 yeah you got some people who started 20 you know
25:512024 2023 all right you got kids going back like oh man yo I just found out about Lord willing hell
25:59have like yeah and ultimately you're trying to please the crowd got you collectively you want everybody
26:09to kind of be in unison with their energy yeah you know I'm saying so first and foremost the new album
26:16is what it is the nostalgic moments and the highs that most can relate to but man listen we sit up
26:25there we sit on stage I watch the crowd divide in half when mama I'm so sorry comes on really and
26:33you can see who was there in 06 and you can see who's being who's like oh you know who's getting
26:40FOMO what's this and why is why are all these people going crazy over this and they don't they're
26:46just they're just tuned in and then you got the kids who actually did the history lesson so we're
26:51fighting a lot of different okay battles that's fair and trying to maintain that energy yeah that's
26:57that's that's what you're that's what you're witnessing and that's what you're noticing when you
27:03don't have those other six or seven it's funny too cuz when artists I'm gonna see is on tour I try
27:10to like avoid any of the social media to like preserve the experience before I go in mm-hmm but
27:15obviously I knew that you guys are doing birds I'd seen some videos of like you guys putting up
27:19pictures of your parents and so going in I was like oh man this is gonna be it's gonna be heavy
27:23right how they're doing this it is heavy well every night I'm sure it is but it also felt like not as
27:31heavy as listening to the actual song it felt like more of like a tribute like a proud oh right it
27:36is and it is a cathartic almost of course yeah absolutely absolutely it is definitely a proud
27:42moment but like every night man every night someone cries yeah every night every night a lot of people
27:49oh yeah yeah yeah to be honest yeah people feel it man it's a major moment in the set list that uh we
27:58feel like we got everybody's attention and everybody can relate you know whether they've been through
28:04it whether they're you know feeling like that day could be coming yeah you know I'm saying you see
28:09parents with kids you know feeling it and I'm hearing a lot of people saying that uh it's helped them to
28:16process their grief yeah and I and I think uh just us putting it on display and seeing that uh you get through
28:26it and life continues to go on and it's something that everybody goes through and and to be able to
28:32talk about it and give language to it helps a lot of people we talked a little bit about this at the
28:38top but uh you know when you guys dropped it was a little bit of a drought right after coincidentally
28:43it became a much livelier year yeah now we're going into Grammy season steel sharp and steel gonna be up
28:51against a couple of heavy hitters yeah you know probably Gibbs maybe for sure Kendrick G and X maybe
28:57for sure how you guys feeling about about going into award season and and like really that's something
29:03you still want right like that's a oh yeah yeah yeah some artists fall the Grammy conversation gets
29:09split amongst hip-hop right sometimes people are like do we want that validation does it matter
29:13other times you know you gotta understand to us we have already been validated with our art form you
29:21know and and the music that we we put out so to be able to walk it into a Grammy nomination that's you
29:29know you gotta first have the product yeah then you connect to the plug you know what I'm saying I'm
29:34hearing buzz for beyond the rap categories too man I'm hearing it I'm hearing it they heard you
29:39it's the album of the year yeah bringing home that hardware would mean everything work yeah for sure
29:45we we're going for it okay we're going for it we we made the album we looked at it and was like oh this
29:51is that strong yeah we need to take something home for this heavy yeah so when the album dropped and
29:58everyone's going crazy did you get the uh the my bad text from hove no man nah nah nah we didn't get
30:07that one we didn't get that text you know that that's that's a lot of the fan in us like I there's
30:14always time for a whole verse yeah you know in our eyes right whether he looks at it that way or not
30:19you know it that's just how we think yeah you know right and and I think we make music on such
30:26a level that um we'll always be able to find one and be like hey man this one for you you know more
30:32opportunities to come for sure for sure how are you guys feeling about the the state of rap overall
30:37so it's been an interesting year there's a lot going on there's a lot of different surges and
30:42different dramas and tensions and also boredom like how does it feel in 2025 looking looking out from
30:49it especially when you guys can be so like hermetically sealed and just watching it I think it's great
30:54for us yeah I think it's great for us but I think you know we also have blinders on right now to
31:03everything everything that that does not root itself in the skill set so some shit is fun it's cool
31:13but when it come to this it's like man this is speaking volumes over everything yeah like god
31:21sort of mouth speaking volumes over everything to me I'm watching people I'm watching artists like
31:26you know people now care about the rollout now they want to sit down you know so I'm like you know it's
31:33it's it's it's cool man as far as us right now I feel like you know we we can see we we see light at
31:43the end of the tunnel and the curtain been pulled back yeah the fans now know what they ain't been getting
31:50you know right you know what I'm saying and they know the tricks of it all they see it all they
31:54hear it all they see it they know what's up they see it the people are saying next time still we
31:58got to get a full verse with you guys yeah I mean listen it's whatever was still word yeah
32:04like whatever if it leave you wanting more than we did it right yeah but I think I think this was
32:08yeah I think I think that him doing the hook was a great showcase to it and showed like how much we
32:16think of like him right you know I'm saying I think that that was like how we seen him and I think it
32:21got across to the public like yo nah this is the guy who made that yeah that that that may be hook
32:27of the year bro I mean like close like if not it's close now I also want to talk about some of your
32:33endeavors outside of music too Malice we'll start with you because I heard you've been thinking about
32:38wanting to start a podcast yeah definitely um well some that's funny first of all because you know
32:43you're a meme this year for for like just being like stone-faced during a bunch of interviews
32:50and stuff yeah so so you know I like talking about what I like talking about right you know what I'm
32:57saying and um just seeing uh that the people the things that they are in need of that we are all in
33:07need of I see it in my comments I see it in the dms um things that I've spoke to that lit up the
33:15listener you know what I'm saying and they want to hear more of it and I have tons of information that
33:20I cannot die with it in me so yeah I just want to share more you see it as like a I see it all top to
33:27bottom yeah in and out the format and everything really yeah another thing that I thought was
33:32interesting is that a lot of people talk about malice and um your faith because you've been
33:37very vocal about that but I wondered if you could speak about your faith a little bit too because
33:40you are faith driven as well it just doesn't come up as often but kind of like we said at the beginning
33:46like I think this process too especially like there's a divine timing that you have to submit to
33:51and and start to learn and accept right I feel like we we came up very faith-based you know I'm
33:59saying uh uh kids in church kids in Sunday school um had to go yeah you know I know that go like um
34:07I you know I don't speak about it as much yeah I'm also not as well versed word you know I'm saying
34:13so I I don't but I definitely know you know yeah I know who's responsible for it all thanks that's
34:20right and anytime my nephew is praying for me and and yeah saying grace and all of that like yeah for
34:28sure well I was gonna ask about about big bricks yeah he's getting up there how's how's fatherhood
34:33treating you oh man it's it's the best thing you don't see the change in it it's the best what's
34:38the change oh man listen first of all one of the things is when we're in the studio like he's ready
34:44to get out of the studio what yeah you know get back home come on get and get and get to nudge and
34:50even being on the road and you know ready to get off the road and get to nudge like yeah yeah yeah
34:56he's a different man that's a different like not being home is like the biggest struggle word yeah
35:02it's the biggest struggle now now he sees how I felt first go around right right and now you just
35:08get to watch that all play out no it works in my favor I'm ready to go too word okay yeah I'm ready
35:13go too yeah does that impact the creative process at all like it I would imagine gives you better
35:19drive right oh it yeah I mean everything is um everything I do he just said everything I do the
35:25other day I mean I mean to cut you off but since I witnessed it I had to speak to it he just said
35:31that to me the other day he was like all this is for nudge and his wife you know what I'm saying
35:35word that's who he comes out here and works for you know and that's where his mindset is for sure
35:41you know do you feel a is there like a difference in your music when you didn't have that family
35:46center grounding you and driving you no I don't think there's a difference I think um I'm just
35:52more intentional about everything like you know you don't have to make the mistakes you don't have to
35:58you know you can just be very don't take much yeah you know I'm saying but just be being very
36:03intentional about everything and that's all it is you ever hit your brother up for fatherly advice
36:09now since he's been through it I haven't I haven't I probably should or I don't know how good of a
36:16parent I am I reward for bad shit and all type of shit I mean I'm crazy I'm crazy I'm not and I'm not
36:23home a lot too so it's like when it comes to reprimanding and all of that I'm I'm not the one
36:29I can't just come in I can't yeah I can't yeah I can't I can't he does great man he does great
36:36very inspiring that's what's up for sure does Nigel have like a understanding of what you do yet
36:41like this he isn't starting to get it 1000% word it's like dawning on him oh my god man are you
36:48kidding me listen man just because you said it word yes he has a clear understanding oh my
36:55we gotta show that to the camera later that's hard he knows
37:07wow that's crazy man that's a great note to end on yeah yeah so then next time you guys are putting
37:17a blowtorch we know what it's for right oh what's going right right just to tease for the people man
37:21so we got some new stuff coming soon like we got push the solo music we got mala solo music yeah
37:27definitely clips for sure clip is loaded yeah clips loaded let's go yeah and one in the head one in
37:34the head that's for the grammy boy let them know believe that guys uh hopefully we get to do this
37:39again soon but every time it takes you two years I understand because listen man you set this off bro
37:45you yeah you set this off you know you set this off
37:48hey
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