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This episode delves into another chilling case from the infamous Elm Street. The Real Murders on Elm Street series uncovers true crime stories.

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00:00Musique
00:30This is lead number 14-1 with the Major K-Squad.
00:40I want to interview you in reference to what transpired on 3rd.
00:46You're right.
00:46Okay.
00:47I was working that day and I went home on lunch.
00:53And actually I live thoroughly right around the corner.
01:00I heard somebody knock on the door, knocked on it again, and Willie that works at the convenience store, he was there.
01:20And he said, Ross is dead, Ross is dead.
01:23So I just ran out.
01:29I didn't know what kind of situation it was.
01:42Went up, the door was cracked.
01:43I could see the TV on.
01:45You know, the stench, I mean, it was bad.
02:03I just put my head inside the door.
02:04I called the chief.
02:09Like, hey, we got a party over here.
02:11We got a party over here.
02:41I was the deputy chief for the Cahokie Police Department.
03:08I was contacted about a body found on Elm Street in Cahokie.
03:16We believe the deceased was Jermaine Ross, the barber in the area.
03:20But we didn't know it for sure.
03:21Apparently, Jermaine had missed some appointments with some clients, and so they decided to go check on him at his home.
03:28And when they got there, they noticed the smell, and they noticed that the windows were covered with flies, like a black tarp across the window.
03:38When I arrived at the house on Elm Street, I could tell something wasn't right.
03:50I met with the officer from Cahokie PD, and he said, he's just dead.
03:58It's natural.
03:59Don't see any injuries.
04:01It really smells in there, and I'm going to wait outside, and you can do what you are supposed to do as far as taking pictures and processing the scene.
04:10The deceased is immediately on the right, sitting on the couch as you walk through the door.
04:26He's completely unclothed, naked as can be.
04:30The smell of a decaying body is very, very putrid.
04:37You have to sort of turn your mind off to it and focus on the job at hand.
04:44The home is fairly disorganized, but nothing in the home appeared to have been the result of a struggle.
04:54There are a lot of flies.
04:56The flies tend to like the body, so they'll eat until they're full.
05:00They'll fly away to lay eggs, and then they'll crawl as maggots back to the body.
05:06And it was obvious by the level of decomposition that he had been dead for at least a couple of days.
05:16Examining the body, I didn't observe anything that I could readily say was an injury.
05:22After a body starts to decompose, it makes it very difficult to see if there's any type of a puncture wound or entry wound or exit wound or anything like that.
05:32But there was something very unusual on the body.
05:36There's a coffee table in front of him.
05:38On the coffee table, there was a can of abrasive cleaner that is not normally used in the living room.
05:48And the victim also had it dusted all over his crotch.
05:52I also located what appeared to be the cleaner moistened and wiped onto the deadbolt and the interior doorknob.
06:05Seeing things like that out of place leads me to believe that it wasn't a natural death.
06:13Because I was just weird, like very strange, and then like seeing it on the door and having that, aha, like this is definitely wrong.
06:23At this point, we had no idea what had happened.
06:27So we needed an autopsy to be conducted.
06:31The coroner's office had x-rays done.
06:34And the forensic pathologist found the bullet projectile that pierced the heart.
06:41The entry was in the buttocks.
06:43It traveled up through his body, through the core of his body, and struck his heart.
06:45We knew it was no longer a mystery.
06:52Jermaine Ross, he'd been murdered.
06:54After we completed the autopsy, I returned to the house and found a bullet defect or a bullet hole from the wood frame of the back of the couch.
07:08Of course, we didn't know who has wanted Jermaine dead.
07:16May could have been anybody at that point in time.
07:18So the Major K Squad was immediately activated.
07:29The Major K Squad is the NATO of police.
07:37This is an alliance of local law enforcement.
07:40So when there's a big case, the Illinois State Police, local police departments, everybody pitches in to move with a great deal of speed.
07:48We started the canvas just looking for any bit of information, anything at all.
08:00Maybe that somebody saw something.
08:04People that we talked to about this are like, oh, is that because Nelm Street?
08:09Anytime the Major K Squad is activated, it is certainly noticed by the media.
08:14The media was definitely paying attention to this case from the very beginning.
08:18Cahokia is right outside of St. Louis, and the community is very small, so it's very tight-knit.
08:26It was shocking because Jermaine Ross was a well-liked guy.
08:31He owned a local barbershop not far from his house in Cahokia that had been closed down.
08:37He had had a fire, so that put him out of business for a period of time.
08:42He was still trying to cut hair, but he was cutting hair out of his house, or he would just go to other people's houses.
08:48Mr. Ross knew a lot of people.
08:51He had a lot of social connections from people coming in the barbershop.
08:55So you could have a potentially large pool of people who could be suspects.
09:001-42.
09:01We didn't have much information.
09:03But all of a sudden, we get a neighbor saying that she has some information about Jermaine Ross.
09:13Yeah, and obviously, as you can see, we are recording now.
09:17I know it's kind of repetitive, but go over again what you told me.
09:19And Sunday night, around between midnight and one, I heard two gunshots called Hop Hop.
09:28I looked out my back window.
09:42Spaces.
09:43Spaces.
09:43Ross' kitchen window.
09:45Pitch dark out.
09:46No lights aren't in Ross' house.
09:47Is there any reason that it made you look out to bed?
09:52That's where the sounds sound like it came from.
09:55And I didn't see no movement of nobody, no vehicles.
09:59And I went back to bed.
10:01And now we have a good time frame of when this murder occurred.
10:11And apparently, Mr. Ross was having some other issues in the neighborhood.
10:16You were neighbors with Ross, neighborly with him.
10:19Um, we spoke.
10:21You know, I mean, I lived here for years.
10:25Ross always told us before his door has been kicked in.
10:29And that people was after him.
10:31But I didn't know what was going on.
10:49Clearly, investigators had to find this person that was threatening Jermaine Ross.
10:53Because they are still somewhere out there within the community.
11:01I was at home.
11:18And I received a call.
11:21It was like 12 o'clock at night.
11:23And I was trying to go to sleep.
11:2415 minutes later, I got another call from my sister.
11:30And that's when I realized something was going on.
11:33She told me that, uh, they found our uncle dead.
11:39It was devastating.
11:40I broke down and started crying because I couldn't believe it.
11:43If you knew him, you knew he was a good person.
11:51Jermaine was my baby brother.
11:53He wasn't perfect.
11:55But Jermaine was a person that reached out and helped people.
12:01He was a community person.
12:04You know, he had a heart.
12:05His passion was barbering.
12:11He loved to cut hair.
12:15After the shop burned down, he was cutting out of his house.
12:19You know, he was going to figure out a way.
12:21Children whose parents did not have money for cutting their hair for school,
12:28Jermaine felt that these children needed to keep their appearances.
12:32Even though they didn't have money, Jermaine reached out to do that from his heart.
12:38It was vibrant.
12:40You know, some of them just come in just to hang out with him.
12:43That's the kind of person he was.
12:45His barbershop was really just a people's barbershop.
12:51And for them to walk away and leave a person's body like that is not...
12:57Yeah.
13:02Yeah, it...
13:04Jermaine was the type of person that speaks his mind.
13:11The last time I seen him, he told me that I have some problems with some people over here.
13:21He never told me why was he into it with anybody.
13:26He just said that, you know, he had problems with people.
13:33He says, I got to take care of, you know, I keep a gun on me and whatnot.
13:36I said, a gun ain't gonna matter, Jermaine, if somebody run up on you, you know.
13:39And so he said, okay, whatever, man.
13:43And then he told me that he wasn't afraid to die.
13:49And sure enough, two months later or so, he was dead.
13:55It was almost like he knew something was gonna happen, but he just didn't know what.
13:58Cahokia is almost literally in the shadow of the St. Louis Arch.
14:10It's part of the state of Illinois that is right across the Mississippi River from the city of St. Louis.
14:16This is a very tight-knit community.
14:21People care about each other.
14:24But you do have some really challenging poverty.
14:29Some of the conditions are pretty difficult for some people.
14:34Sometimes you have situations where people don't trust the police,
14:39and so they don't want to say anything, or they may be fearful for their own safety.
14:43They just don't want to be involved.
14:46But in this case, you had many people in the community immediately call the police.
14:53You got in your hair cut by Ross before?
14:55Yeah.
14:55Okay.
14:56He was a pretty cool dude, man.
14:57You know what I'm saying?
14:58He ain't really bothered nobody, you know what I'm saying?
15:00Yeah.
15:00Talked a lot, you know what I'm saying?
15:01And drunk a lot, but he didn't seem like he was troubling me, you know, like that.
15:05Yeah.
15:05Jermaine Ross is well-known within the small area that he lived,
15:10and when we did our campuses, people were willing to talk.
15:14Ross cut all of my hair.
15:15No, man.
15:16But when he cut out hair, it was funny, because he had a pistol in it, and it's the barbacoy.
15:24Finding witnesses who maybe observe some things that can explain how things unfolded,
15:29that is absolutely critical to these type of investigations.
15:32He had a gun that was a chrome and black, a .380.
15:37Somebody had stolen it from the shop.
15:38They stole it from his barbie shop.
15:40He was mad about them.
15:41He said he'd be having a lot of problems over here.
15:44Yeah, he had a lot of problems.
15:45What was causing those problems?
15:49I don't really know.
15:51I don't.
15:51There will be gossip.
15:53There will be rumors.
15:54There will be a lot of speculation.
15:56Yeah, because I've heard something about one little guy, a little young guy beat him up maybe like four or five months ago.
16:02I'm like, man, what you should need me hanging out drinking with these little guys?
16:04Big challenge for law enforcement is to be able to find, within all those various strands of information, good, cold, hard facts.
16:15What did he come into this money for?
16:17The insurance off his bills, his barbie shop he had in.
16:21His barbie shop, it caught fire, correct?
16:23Yes, sir.
16:23And how long ago was that he got there?
16:24He got it about two weeks ago.
16:27Investigators learned that Jermaine had recently come into some insurance money after his barbershop burned down.
16:40And this is something that he talked about very openly.
16:45Jermaine grew up working at an early age, but he never had a lot of money.
16:52The money that he got from the insurance company, and he told me he had 25-something, but, you know, that's my baby brother.
17:00And sometimes he's telling me things I don't feel like it's really accurate, you know.
17:07But apparently it was true.
17:11So he said he had ran into a little money?
17:13Yeah, because he was telling everybody he had about $10,000 in cash.
17:17So he wasn't hiding it?
17:18No.
17:18Yeah, he showed it.
17:19He showed it to me.
17:20It was in a yellow envelope, about that thick.
17:25And I asked him, man, what is you doing, right?
17:27You need to have that much money in the bank.
17:29I said, you've got to be crazy.
17:32It seems like he was actually flashing large amounts of money, kind of showing it off.
17:37He's having issues with people.
17:39He comes into some money, and then he's getting threatened.
17:41Was he talking about anything?
17:42He told me a guy was talking about robbing him.
17:44I said, you need to keep your mouth shut and stop telling these people that you got money.
17:48Best for you over here by yourself.
17:49Then he pulled out his little gun he had on the side.
17:52He said, I got something for that ****.
17:53Did he say who that was that was talking about robbing him?
17:56No, he never told me.
17:56I don't know none of the guys he deal with over there.
17:58I don't know none of them.
18:03But the only cash that investigators found was a couple hundred dollar bills that were crammed under the mattress.
18:09The large amount of money was not found.
18:13If there had been cash there, that cash was gone.
18:17On October 3rd, earlier in the day, we get a call at the police department.
18:25A lady saying that she has some information about the death of Jermaine Ross, a lady by the name of Melinda Graves.
18:34They lived in the same area, and she knew him as the barber.
18:38When Melinda Graves arrived at the police department, she was scared, nervous.
18:44She said those people were saying, I killed him, and I stole his money, and listen, I didn't do that.
18:49But she had been at Jermaine's house, and she was afraid that she was being accused of it, and she felt threatened.
18:57Melinda is being threatened by a man in a black car.
19:02This man is demanding that she turn over to him whatever money she stole from Jermaine Ross.
19:10And so she wanted to tell the police what she knew.
19:13Melinda says that she has a friend that she was hanging out with on the Saturday night, and that woman's name was Jasmine Madison.
19:25Jasmine has a relationship with Jermaine.
19:28So they walk from Jasmine's house over to Jermaine Ross' house.
19:34Jasmine says that Jermaine recently acquired a lot of money,
19:39and he was going to spend that money, having a good time.
19:45They were partying with him.
19:48They left, and he was still alive.
19:55Melinda is very adamant that she did not kill Jermaine Ross, and that Jasmine didn't either.
20:02Her story made sense that if she was being accused, that she might feel that she was in harm's way.
20:06And in cases like this, it's almost always a male shooter as opposed to a female shooter.
20:16Clearly, one of the people that needed to be found as quickly as possible was whoever this is that's driving around in a black car threatening Melinda Graves.
20:25And we knew someone had been threatening, Jermaine Ross, as well.
20:29At this point, police were concerned that if Melinda was right, the killer wasn't just hiding.
20:34They were circling.
20:36The other person to find is Jasmine Madison.
20:45Melinda's only person that we had talked to who said,
20:48I was there, and we knew that Jasmine was with her.
20:51So we needed to find out if she was telling the truth.
20:54And we were reaching out to anyone and everyone in the community who may know Jasmine Madison to figure out where she may be hanging out.
21:02But at that point, Jasmine Madison is nowhere to be found.
21:08And we became very concerned about Jasmine.
21:12And we had to think about the worst possibilities.
21:16Was she abducted or was she killed?
21:21Or did she have something to do with it and she was just hiding out?
21:26It's likely she's an important witness in this case.
21:34And so she is particularly vulnerable from whoever was involved in this murder.
21:38After Jermaine was murdered, he was cremated.
22:05They gave my oldest sister his ashes.
22:12And Jermaine used to always say, if he ever died before her, he's going to come back and get her.
22:18Okay.
22:18So anyway, I'm at her house and she's saying some black things flying around, flying around.
22:24And my sister said, it's Jermaine.
22:30And that's what he said he was going to do.
22:32And believe it or not, yes.
22:36He said he's going to fly in there a million times.
22:38I believe he would try to do that, just to be funny, because that's the kind of person he was.
22:46You know, he wants you to know, I'm here.
22:48I'm around.
22:49I'm around.
22:49Jasmine Madison and Melinda Graves were the last people to see Jermaine alive.
23:07This is according to Melinda, because Jasmine's nowhere to be found.
23:14Jasmine lived within walking distance of Jermaine.
23:17And we knew that she might be in harm's way.
23:23And we didn't know if she was still alive.
23:27Jasmine Madison needed to be found as quickly as possible.
23:34It became even more urgent for the police to go back to Melinda to see if they can pull any more information out of her.
23:45She was scared.
23:46Somewhat frantic.
23:50And her story changes.
23:51So, can you just go through your story one more time?
23:55It was frustrating.
23:57But that turned out to be a key moment.
24:00So, we walked down the street to the blue house.
24:03I said, I'm glad you were drinking my liquor and smoking my cigarettes.
24:06Melinda says that Jermaine actually goes to the bedroom, gets some money out, shows it to him.
24:16And he takes the money back to the bedroom.
24:20Melinda goes to use the bathroom.
24:21Melinda told investigators that Jasmine and Jermaine had been hooking up.
24:37She decided to make herself scarce, to give them some privacy, and began wandering around the house.
24:43She's admitting that they're going to do this lick, a robbery.
24:53Obviously, it looks bad for Melinda and for Jasmine both.
24:56She told police, I know it looks bad, but I have a good reason.
25:02Melinda takes care of her younger brother.
25:06I believe she was his guardian.
25:09Oh, good, brother.
25:10What?
25:10No.
25:11So, you're just in a bad spot right now?
25:14Yeah.
25:14I'm enjoying it.
25:15Yeah.
25:17Her house burnt down.
25:19And she needed a deposit for this new place that she was going to take her brother to.
25:24So, this was her opportunity.
25:25And she was desperate.
25:26I didn't find the money, so it was pointless.
25:31Eventually, she rejoined Jermaine and Jasmine, and that's when she heard Jermaine make a phone call.
25:46And you made a phone call for some cocaine or whatever.
25:53Five, maybe seven minutes, though, the dude come in the door.
25:56He's not even not going to do anything.
25:57He just comes straight in.
25:58Melinda said that she did not know who it was.
26:03It's not somebody that she'd ever seen before.
26:04When he do, I leave this couch right here, and this couch right here, and the windows right here by this couch.
26:10So, when he come in, he's going right here.
26:12So, when he come in or whatever, he's standing like this sort of dude, but his hand on his side.
26:17He had a black vest on with a collar on him.
26:20We should pop this right here and whatever.
26:21Melinda said she and Jasmine ran for their lives, but she did have one piece of information.
26:51They did see the killer's car outside.
26:57It was black, four doors, with a dent in the passenger's side.
27:01So, the guy's just still standing there after he's shot?
27:04I don't know. We ran out.
27:06Melinda was genuinely afraid that the man would try to find her and kill her as well.
27:10How come you didn't call the police, sir?
27:14Scary.
27:16You didn't think that it was going to be a point in the night that you were going to be sitting in that chair?
27:20No.
27:21Why not?
27:22I wasn't thinking.
27:22As we go along in the investigation, Melinda Grace's initial story was so simple.
27:29We went from just partying to going home and everybody's alive to, yeah, we went over there and now Jermaine Ross is dead and the drug dealer did it.
27:39What seems off is the fact that she's changing her story.
27:42Investigators didn't know if Melinda was a sadistic, cold-blooded killer that they needed to get off the streets or if she might end up the same as Jermaine.
27:53It could be that Melinda didn't mention the drug dealer because it was somebody that she knew.
28:00Maybe he knew her.
28:01Maybe she was afraid of him.
28:03Or maybe she really didn't know who he was.
28:07But Melinda gave us a description of the drug dealer's car.
28:12So, a big part of any murder case that's being investigated is a neighborhood canvas.
28:19And we had a bit of good luck.
28:21There's video evidence that's obtained.
28:23From the security cameras.
28:28We locate a car that's driving in that area that matches that description.
28:32There was a man in the neighborhood in the immediate area there who drove a car very similar to what Melinda had described.
28:40He went by the name of Modi.
28:43So, we did talk to him.
28:45And the driver just so happens to know Jermaine.
28:49And so, that seems like a connection.
28:57At this point, police were thinking this could be their killer.
29:00So, what do you know, man?
29:02Tell me what you know.
29:04Oh, man.
29:05Okay.
29:05Jermaine Ross' murder was shocking.
29:07And investigators had no idea if this is a crime.
29:10I don't know.
29:11I don't know.
29:12I don't know.
29:12I don't know.
29:13I don't know.
29:14I don't know.
29:14I don't know.
29:15I don't know.
29:16Jermaine Ross' murder was shocking.
29:33And investigators had no idea if this was an isolated incident.
29:37But they located the vehicle that Melinda Graves described at Jermaine Ross' home the night of the murder.
29:45It turns out the driver also knows Jasmine Madison, the only other witness to the crime, who has disappeared.
29:51So, let me ask you something.
29:53Do you know, do you see?
29:55I move up on.
29:57Okay.
29:58So, you mean something on the wall, something?
29:59Yeah, I just used to run those doors most of the time.
30:01I'm going to cut her.
30:02I'm going to come out of it.
30:03Why was your car identified the night of his passing?
30:09Of Mr. Watson's passing?
30:11Yeah, that's been positive.
30:13What were you going to say?
30:14I was at home.
30:15Ooh, I'm going to verify that you were at home.
30:17Oh, everybody.
30:18Everybody.
30:19So, do you know where Jasmine was at?
30:23No.
30:24Does Jasmine come over and get on us?
30:26Uh, yeah.
30:27She's coming over and get on us.
30:28She knows what time she's over there.
30:30What, Sunday?
30:31Okay.
30:32Where's she at?
30:33No, 12.
30:34Oh, man.
30:35Stop.
30:36Hold on.
30:37Just have a second.
30:39At that point, I thought that we were onto something.
30:42We'll be back.
30:43All right.
30:49It turns out the driver wasn't a drug dealer, like Melinda had claimed.
30:55And he had an alibi the night of the murder.
30:57So, he wasn't their guy.
31:03Even though he didn't know Jasmine, it's such a close-knit area right there.
31:06Everyone knows everybody.
31:08We follow up on every single lead.
31:13And that particular warrant ended up being a dead end.
31:16It was nothing.
31:21It was frustrating.
31:23Without any leads, we're back at square one.
31:25As police continued to canvass the neighborhood, a resident came forward who said Jermaine had fallen on tough times.
31:39To have a pretty good understanding of how difficult the financial circumstances were for Mr. Ross, it turns out, he didn't even have running water at that residence.
31:50And you've got to be pretty down on your luck if you don't even have water coming into your house.
31:58So, when he got some cash, he was working on getting his water turned back on.
32:06He was just happy to have some money.
32:09And that night, he probably just wanted to have a good time, which was something he probably wasn't able to do very often.
32:16He didn't splurge about his money at all.
32:21He didn't have a lot, but you wouldn't think that.
32:26He let people stay with him that needed the place to stay.
32:30No charge, no rent, no nothing.
32:32You know, he'd give his shirt off his back.
32:34He was that person.
32:35He was a giving person.
32:36The night of the murder, Melinda said that she was at Jermaine's home with her friend Jasmine.
32:56And that's the one person who could corroborate her story.
32:59But there's no word on her whereabouts.
33:03If we're looking for somebody in the day of modern technology, it's relatively simple to find people.
33:10And so, if it becomes a little bit difficult, you start to wonder, has something happened to that person?
33:16Jasmine Madison was a very critical witness in this case and potentially a suspect.
33:24The Major K Squad does a very good job of being able to find people.
33:29And in this case, they were able to locate where she was through other witnesses and people that knew her.
33:38She was afraid to talk to the police because she had some outstanding warrants.
33:42And she was hiding out.
33:44And through some sweet talking, we convinced her to come in and talk to us.
33:52Once they were able to talk to her, a picture of what happened began.
33:59To emerge.
34:00Unless you're here to tell me the truth about me.
34:02I didn't tell you the truth.
34:04You told me your story that I didn't talk to you anymore.
34:07That turned out to be a key moment.
34:09I'm not a mother.
34:10Are you here to tell me the truth now?
34:12I didn't know.
34:13I didn't know.
34:20I don't care what she says.
34:22I know what happened.
34:24I would care what she says if I were you.
34:26Well, I do.
34:27I don't care what she said.
34:28I don't care what she said.
34:30So at this point, we have three stories.
34:34We have the first story that Melinda Graves told law enforcement.
34:39And then we have the second story that Melinda Graves told law enforcement that accuses some unknown male of being the person that robbed and killed Mr. Ross.
34:50And now we have a third story.
34:53And that is the story from Jasmine Madison of her involvement.
34:58And she gave a story that some points were similar to Melinda's but were a little bit more extreme.
35:08Like I said, we were going to be speaking to Melinda again.
35:14That's what?
35:15And I have heard she tells a pretty compelling story.
35:20I don't care.
35:21You don't care that she told a compelling story?
35:23I don't care. I'm telling the truth.
35:25Jasmine's story actually started similarly.
35:30Her and Melinda did walk over to Jermaine Ross's house.
35:35Jasmine says that she and Jermaine did have a romantic relationship, an ongoing one, and that she knew that he had a sum of money from an insurance settlement.
35:45And Jermaine did bring out some money.
35:50Then after he put it away, she and Jermaine were having intercourse on the couch.
36:00And that Melinda showed up with Jermaine's handgun.
36:06Melinda wanted the money.
36:08She ended up shooting Jermaine two times.
36:15I don't have nothing to do with this.
36:18I have nothing to hide.
36:20Jasmine's story was that after Melinda had shot Jermaine, Melinda tells her to pour this cleansing agent on his genital area and in his legs.
36:29And Jasmine says she just grabs her clothes and just bolts out of the house naked and heads for home.
36:33One of the things that makes Jasmine Madison's story more believable is that, unlike Melinda Graves, Jasmine Madison's story does not change.
36:48In addition to that, it was established from multiple sources and multiple witnesses that very quickly, Melinda was spending some of that money.
36:58One of the key individuals that law enforcement speaks to is the younger brother of Melinda Graves.
37:19He overheard Jasmine Madison and Melinda Graves talking about going over to Mr. Ross's house and they were going to take his money.
37:35Part of her brother's interview was that they took the Metrolink to St. Louis and that the gun was in a lunchbox and that it was disposed of somewhere on the arch grounds.
37:45So the big question of where is the firearm is answered by this young man who is simply telling the truth.
37:55We went back to Melinda Graves confronting her with this new information, confronting her with these facts and trying to see if she ultimately will tell the truth.
38:07Tell the truth.
38:08This is, this is a Chuck Axe right here and I'm slowly chunked apart with all your lines.
38:13But there are things that you put into your story that just didn't happen, okay?
38:18And we got Jasmine's side, okay?
38:20We got a story and you're trying to make it up.
38:23This is your opportunity to come clean.
38:25To come clean.
38:28What are you worried about?
38:33Losing my brother.
38:34I can see that you feel bad about it.
38:37How much time would this be taken away from my brother?
38:39We don't have that answer.
38:42But you know, I can tell you that truthfulness is always something that's taken into account.
38:48What if they gave me life?
38:51It's only one of the what happened.
38:53In the game, like I said, I know you didn't think for any of this to go this way.
38:57So tell me what would happen.
39:01How many times did you shoot him?
39:03Twice.
39:07What did you do when you shot him?
39:09A planet.
39:18Any loose ends, they're followed up on.
39:23And some of the things that we did not ever locate was money or the murder weapon.
39:30But the facts were overwhelming.
39:32And her own statement were the basis for the state's attorney's office issuing charges of first-degree murder.
39:41Melinda Graves pled guilty to first-degree murder and was sentenced 25 years to life.
39:46Jasmine Madison pled guilty to obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence.
39:56I just asked this woman, Melinda, why did she kill my brother, Jermaine?
40:01What did he do?
40:03You know, she couldn't even answer me.
40:07My brother left in a very rude way.
40:11Jermaine did not deserve to die like that.
40:14to die like that.
40:16He did not deserve to die by the hands of another.
40:21But I'm glad, though, the justice system prevailed and gave us some closure.
40:27But it's still hurtful and hard.
40:38The street Jermaine lived on Amp Street.
40:42Jermaine's spirit was there.
40:43If the spiritual situation is unsolved, then there's an ease, and crossing over is a very major thing to do.
40:53But after solving his case, his spirit went on.
41:06It would be very common to find bones in the state game lands.
41:14But extremely uncommon to find human remains.
41:20The fractures were very clear that it was trauma.
41:24Somebody wanted this person to disappear and never be found.
41:26You're thinking, could this happen to me?
41:29A
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