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00:00welcome back to next gen console watch our show following the latest gaming hardware news i'm
00:14damon hatfield and as always i'm joined by max goville host of podcast beyond and ryan mccaffrey
00:18host of podcast unlocked and we had a whole show planned this week about how nintendo is poised to
00:22be the last console standing after years of xbox de-emphasizing the need to own an xbox and sony
00:26updating the playstation portal to handle cloud streaming negating the need for a ps5 it would be
00:31a good it would be a good discussion maybe we can do it on a future episode but then one hour before
00:35we were planning to shoot this we got word that grand theft auto 6 is being delayed again originally
00:40scheduled for this fall then delayed to may 26 2026 gj6 is now set for november 19th 2026 a huge six
00:50month delay this will obviously send shockwaves through the fall 2026 release schedule all of a
00:55sudden nobody will want to be anywhere near november next year affected games would likely include
00:59fable gears of war e-day and halo campaign evolved from xbox there's wolverine from sony there's
01:05marvel 1943 rise of hydra there's whatever ubisoft has planned possibly the prince of persia sands of
01:10time remake there's pragmata from capcom call of duty launches in november this year and i think even
01:15that would want to get out of gta's way so there couldn't have been a bigger bomb dropped into fall
01:192026 ryan xbox possibly has the most at stake in that release window what do you make of all this
01:24yeah they are uh i think you know you just you just rattled off quite a list but i do think
01:30microsoft granted microsoft is i guess the biggest publisher in the industry at this point so maybe
01:35it's it's not a huge surprise but yeah they they had a massive massive fall lined up they still do
01:43but maybe some things are going to have to get pulled forward uh as much as they can from from what
01:49they were initially thinking because yeah you you mentioned it so uh we to be fair we don't have
01:54release dates for any of the games that i'm about to mention right but uh it stands to reason that
02:01halo campaign evolved would ship in the fall probably very close to the actual anniversary
02:07of the 25th anniversary of one which would be november 15th uh that's a i believe i looked it up
02:14looked it up that's a sunday this year so it's not going to be on the actual day but odds are the
02:19remake of halo one that i've recently previewed on ign would be coming out next fall same thing with
02:26gears of war e-day as you mentioned damon that is almost certainly a big fall game and i'm basing that
02:31off of the fact that we've seen next to nothing of it if it were coming out in the spring we probably
02:37would have seen something on that game uh the same can be said for fable we still have barely seen
02:44anything on that game and so could that one come out in the spring yeah i mean if microsoft does
02:51another developer direct in what late january early february as they've done the last few years
02:56could fable sneak out in what would have been gta time like may yeah that could happen but i think
03:03odds are that's going to be a fall game as well you mentioned call of duty uh that i mean normally
03:11nothing normally games get out of call of duty's way but this is one instance where they're probably
03:17i mean at least the good news for them is they're typically late october or early november so maybe
03:24they're not super affected and they're still they'll still have at least two maybe three weeks
03:29of uh of time on the shelf before the gta nuke drops but then uh the then there's one there's
03:36still one more one more big one and that's forza horizon 6 and that one has been announced we don't
03:42know a release date we know it's a timed exclusive for xbox that's the one where could it be in the
03:49fall yes but that one to me seems like the most likely one that that might have been planning to ship
03:55in the spring and if that's the case or really if any of these were planning to ship in the spring
04:00well they all just breathe the sigh of relief but um but everything else yeah i think i think
04:06microsoft is is probably the most negatively affected publisher in the entire industry by this
04:12this big news yeah so to to add some context we're in november 2025 now even now gta 6 is the only game
04:22that was announced for may the only one and since it's late may literally no games have been announced
04:26for june literally none and so now there's this huge vacuum in uh in in the first half of 2026
04:33but talking about the delay itself max you are you are you surprised or is this not not in the
04:39not in the slightest okay if you look back at rockstar's track record for announcing games uh they
04:45are they are almost always delayed like they multiple times if you look at every single gta uh they
04:50always get pushed some amount and usually it's multiple times like this uh so deeply unsurprising
04:56but uh that said you know to your point a lot of people were steering very clear of may and now
05:02they're i guarantee there is a lot of frantic shuffling around of calendars going on in many
05:06boardrooms behind the scenes a lot of frantic emails being sent uh the only big sony game that we
05:11knew about was um wolverine which was targeting fall nebulous uh time frame um i'm curious if that means
05:18you know early september or if that means hovering around you know closer to black friday uh yeah
05:24this is a for gta this is an interesting date because it's so it's so close to the holidays
05:29like it's so close to you know the big the big shopping shopping time uh it's good news for uh it's
05:35good news for sony because it's going to sell a lot of consoles um i mean it's going to sell some
05:39xboxes too i imagine but uh you know sony's right now has like what 80 million units out in the wild
05:44probably probably you know plenty more than that uh this gives anybody who is you know hadn't jumped
05:50onto this console generation plenty of time to save up and you know take the plunge and actually do
05:54it and uh you know that many more players out there means that many more copies of the game getting
05:58sold so it's going to be it's going to be yeah like a it's quite a quite a nuke quite a big game
06:03to drop max well i wonder if there's any chance now if wolverine could end up pushing like if
06:09they're close and they think well maybe we'll just kick it to spring have some extra polish time
06:14i guess yeah like you said it depends where in the fall they were looking at for that one yeah that
06:19wouldn't surprise me one bit we're also still waiting to hear about marathon uh that got delayed
06:23indefinitely um and yeah i mean sony's got stuff in the works but you know as we've got what sorrows
06:30uh early next year i think and yeah i mean i it's it's nice that this is this much lead time
06:36for delays because you know we don't have any other games that are announced for this time
06:41period like it's it's far enough away that other games don't have to delay because they haven't
06:45announced their date yet you know and internally i'm sure there's plenty of people who are targeting
06:48a you know fall release window but uh you know if you haven't announced it you don't have to
06:53announce a delay that's true uh for some historical context i think astrobot was a september release and
06:59then spider-man 2 was an october release so it you know it's right around there that sony has
07:03recently liked to release its big first party games maybe if it can get wolverine out in september
07:07it's fine it can have a couple months before gta we have a statement on the reason for the delay
07:11from take two uh said it was giving the they're giving the team some additional time to finish the
07:16game with the high level of polish players expect and deserve rockstar has our full support of course
07:20and we are confident they will deliver an unrivaled blockbuster entertainment experience so
07:24putting need more time to polish another six months of polish but you know we were expecting
07:28this release to be a system seller because it's only coming to ps5 and xbox series x and s at
07:34launch not coming to pc until a later date as is tradition for rockstar but i wonder you know
07:402026 it's possible that could be the last fall before the beginning of the next generation it's
07:47possible that or at least xbox maybe could have their their console ready for uh 2027 release
07:54i don't know ryan do you think that i don't know does that hurt gta 6's chances at all if you're if
08:01you're only one year away from the release of a new console would people think maybe i can wait one
08:05year i don't know what do you think uh no i i think i mean certainly if anything and i think we maybe
08:11we've talked about this on this show before but it's yes take two slash rockstar is going to be
08:18spending another year's worth of a lot of money in development of gta 6 but uh because as you as
08:27you reminded us damon there's no pc version of course pc gamers are also uh they're not happy
08:33today either because they're gonna have to wait even longer just as just as console gamers you're
08:39gonna have to wait even longer i don't think there's any real room for optimism of the pc version
08:44still coming along at when it would have come along anyway i think it's it's also going to be
08:50pushed back i'm sure but but uh but yeah the the number of copies of gta 6 that can get sold in at
08:59least the first year is hard hard capped by the number of ps5s and xbox series consoles in the wild
09:07so yeah another year of of uh of growing the installed base for for sony for microsoft that
09:14certainly that helps rockstar and then in terms of looking ahead to the next gen system the supposed
09:22kind of pc console hybrid we've been hearing about from microsoft no i i don't think gta is the game
09:30nobody's gonna wait to get gta 6 for the next xbox uh or or even a playstation 6 they're buying it
09:38as soon as they can possibly buy it and i still think to your point like this is going to sell
09:44a lot of consoles current gen consoles i'm i'm one of them i i already bought a ps5 pro
09:51specifically for gta 6 and now it's okay like i'll play i'll play some other sony stuff on it in the
09:59meantime while i wait one more year for for gta 6 but yeah i mean i wanted to get in ahead of the
10:06tariffs and history showed that that was a good move on my part but nevertheless we're still yeah
10:13we're gonna see a lot of uh a lot of consoles get sold maybe now instead of in march april may
10:21in the fall when at least for gamers maybe there'll be some better sales at that point that there wouldn't
10:28have been in the springtime so for for those people that are going to be buying a console
10:32just for gta 6 the timing of this delay and the new timing of the release in november could end up
10:41to their benefit maybe they might they might be able to catch a deal we've talked about how the
10:46playstation 5 pro will likely be the best place to play gta 6 uh max do we still feel that way i know
10:53i think it's been out for a year now haven't gotten any sales data from sony yeah i i feel
10:59like there's considerably less uh less buzz about it than there was the ps4 pro there's again there's
11:03not that much more you can really sell it on like it's it's more powerful that's cool but it's also
11:09you know it's not it's not the jump to 4k uh that the uh ps4 pro was um that said like again more
11:15more lead time more more time to kind of just like think do i want a ps5 pro like do i want to think
11:20about that i feel like also you know by the time next november rolls around the ps5 uh you know
11:26it'll be it'll be showing its age a little bit like it's already it's it's been out for a cool
11:30minute i don't think it's gonna you know it's not necessarily chugging exactly but i think there's
11:34also that point where people are like well doesn't have that new car smell anymore do i want an upgrade
11:38do i want to you know get a nicer model or whatever it's very possible um i'm one thing i'm curious
11:45about is november 19th is it that's yeah is that after the cutoff for game awards consideration
11:51oh it might be i'm sure it won't be if it is now yeah it'll that'll get changed yeah no that's the
11:58mountains will be moved to accommodate that game uh but it is also like it's i don't know it's kind
12:03of nice it's right before the holidays we get to just you know hang out over thanksgiving break and
12:07play it uh you know the weather the weather's crappier i feel bad like staying inside playing a big
12:12game about a beautiful sun-filled florida-like paradise when i'm could just go outside and
12:17enjoy california but you know november's good i guess i didn't have anything planned that far ahead
12:22i mean other publishers usually do october and november are just huge months for release dates
12:27and man now it's gonna be really weird that nobody's gonna be announcing any games in november
12:32uh spring 2027 baby is gonna be a really big time yep yep i wonder if we're gonna see any games
12:39get rushed like any games get moved up a bit um because again there's a there's plenty of sort
12:44of calendar real estate there that to fill that void that the gta left but uh yeah you don't usually
12:50games don't get moved up you know usually they get pushed so yeah curious to see that how that plays
12:54out damon can i bring up one other way too early crazy thought about all this uh with how long
13:04gta how long rockstar's games take to develop like oh in in essence gta 6 has been in development
13:12more or less since 2018 when red dead redemption 2 shipped like the whole of rockstar all their
13:20different studios around the world led by rockstar north out of scotland like they all just work on
13:27one thing now it's why we don't get bully anymore it's why we don't get mad max paint anymore it's why
13:33we don't get midnight club anymore and so with how long this is ultimately going to be uh this it's
13:40going to be eight years from basically the time that they roughly started on gta 6 to when they're
13:48finally shipping it will we even get a rockstar game on the playstation 6 depending on like development
13:58times are only getting longer if we do it's probably going to be at the tail end and granted
14:02i mean that game is probably red dead redemption 3 because they've they've been going back and
14:08forth now that seems to be their cadence almost like uh what bethesda was doing for a while with
14:13fallout and elder scrolls before starfield snuck in there but whatever the next rockstar game is
14:19after gta 6 i know it's like we want to play gta 6 first but it it is i think fair to question
14:25if we'll even see it in the next console generation or if rockstar is going to end up skipping an entire
14:32generation as far as new releases yeah we're definitely going to get that uh you know the
14:37ps6 version of gta 6 that adds peyote and first person view or whatever camera mode
14:42my my thought about the you know the the length of time it's taking to make this game pushing it
14:48another six months that's another six months they have to you know spend money making the game
14:52does this uh increase its the likelihood of this 100 price tag that we've been talking about
14:59it doesn't decrease the chances that's for sure yeah yeah um i don't know that so i as a fan
15:09ryan are you are you disappointed do i have to wait under the six months or are you okay with
15:13cooking as long as they need of course i'm disappointed just because i want to i've been
15:19waiting we've all been waiting years for this game but at the end of the day we all want a polished
15:24like as polished of a grand theft auto 6 on day one as we can get and that's like take two slash
15:30rockstar they know that that's why they did this like we've i think we i'm sure we said i said this
15:36exact same thing from the first delay from the fall of fall of now fall of 2025 to may where they
15:45like their entire almost their entire company i mean nba 2k is a big revenue driver every year for
15:53them and wwe has got makes money and i'm not saying it's all or nothing but like they have so so so much
16:02riding on the financial success of grand theft auto 6 and if they were to ship it in in any sort of
16:11rough or unfinished state i'm not saying like a cyberpunk on old gen consoles kind of scenario
16:18that's the worst case but but if they just can't they can't it it can't be shipped in anything less
16:25than a than a pretty solid smooth state so i i totally get them taking an extra six months and
16:33old at the end of the day as long as it is polished i'm gonna be thrilled and and uh at least november
16:4119th like you're gonna see like on monday morning if not even tomorrow probably a lot of people
16:49watching this listening to this are gonna be uh just quietly canceling their paid time off requests
16:56that they'd set for for me for the end of may and then filing new ones for uh oh i'm gonna be out
17:03of town in uh from you know november 19th oh you know right on through thanksgiving i'll be back
17:08i'll be back after thanksgiving i i think we're gonna see a lot of that in corporate workplaces
17:13around the world well it's pretty wild news uh i i can't say that i was um uh i was certain that it
17:20was going to be delayed again so i was a little bit surprised viewers listeners we want to know about you
17:24what do you think of the latest gta 6 delay are you disappointed because you just want to play
17:28gta 6 or are you okay with it rockstar can take as much time as they need make sure to vote at
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18:19today and that's our show thank you to both max and ryan for joining me today thank you to everyone
18:24working behind the scenes to make this episode possible my name is damon we'll be back next week
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