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00:00Straight away we knew this was going to be a big job and that media interests
00:29would be intense not just in our state but across the country but we could never have
00:34estimated at that moment how big it would become.
00:40There's been a strong response to appeals for public health in solving the shocking Wanaka
00:44suitcase murder.
00:45Major crime detectives hoping to uncover a clue as to who the young murder victim was.
00:50The victim is most likely a little girl.
00:53You can't have a child go missing in Australia and no one notice.
00:57The investigators naturally form the belief that something has also happened to the mother.
01:02Police say they won't draw any conclusions about human remains found in the Belanglo State Forest.
01:08This was Ivan Milath's chosen killing field.
01:11This was a case that had crossed three state lines.
01:15This is the kind of person who for five years thought he'd gotten away with murder.
01:30I'm Des Bray and I'm the officer in charge of Major Crime Investigation Branch within the South Australian Police.
01:35So basically our branch has responsibility for the investigation of all homicides and deaths in custody in South Australia.
01:43On July 15, 2015, I was in my office when I got a call from our investigators to say that the remains of an infant had been found in a suitcase.
01:58Alongside the highway in South Australia, about 128 kilometres east of Adelaide.
02:04Some young people have been driving down the road and seen it.
02:16And they saw what they thought were human remains and they contacted the police.
02:33Warnock is a very small town in South Australia's sheep and grain farming region.
02:41It has a population of only around about a hundred people.
02:45I quickly secured a car and drove to the scene with Detective Sergeant Paul Ward.
02:51By the time we got there, the scene had been shut down.
03:04So perimeters had been set up to exclude people.
03:11It was clear that the human remains were many years old.
03:15But we had no idea how long they'd been in the suitcase.
03:21That's the Lanza suitcase that we saw on the side of the road.
03:26At the time it looked grey like in the photo.
03:29However, in reality it had been a black suitcase and with years and years exposed to the weather, it had turned grey.
03:38Our forensic response investigators set up a tent and during the course of the night,
03:43gradually removed the contents piece by piece and as best they could reconstruct a skeleton in that tent.
03:51We now know that the child is between about two and seven years.
04:10Major crime detectives joined by other police and SES volunteers as they scoured scrubland, hoping to uncover a clue as to who the young murder victim was.
04:22It was right in the open and easily able to be seen.
04:25And it had been seen by locals and other passers-by.
04:29Some had stopped to look at the case.
04:32But we had no evidence that anybody had ever opened it.
04:36Initially it was concerning because we had such a young child and nobody had reported the child missing.
04:43The initial theory we had was there were a number of possibilities.
04:49Firstly, the mother of the child was involved in the child's death.
04:55Or that the child hadn't been reported missing because the mother was dead herself.
05:02So, it could be a male partner who had murdered both the child and the mum.
05:09But all of the investigation team and myself were firmly at the view that we would find who this little child was.
05:18Because you just can't go missing. You can't have a child go missing in Australia and no-one notice.
05:22Obviously, once we had the remains, we wanted to know whether it was a little boy or a little girl.
05:31We thought we would be able to readily extract DNA.
05:36But that was a process that took many, many weeks and many failed attempts.
05:42Because for children of that age, it's very difficult when they're exposed to the elements like that.
05:46We were fearful at one point that we might not actually get a DNA sample that could be analysed.
05:57One thing we knew, but we would never reveal to the public,
06:01was that the child had been subject to an unspeakable death.
06:04It really hit home at that point, the significant murder that this was.
06:19Young children just don't disappear without people noticing.
06:22Someone must have missed this child.
06:26One lead we had to work with was the clothing found with the child's body in the suitcase.
06:31It appeared most likely to be worn by a young girl.
06:36And while there were issues with the fibres being degraded,
06:39a few things stood out to us.
06:42There were two dresses.
06:44A pink one and a distinctive black one,
06:47which had survived for years more or less intact.
06:50There was also a homemade quilt in the suitcase.
06:54Very small fragment remaining with what looked like some teddy bears.
06:59We went to quilt makers and quilting associations and we found out that that quilt would be difficult to make for a novice and most likely an older person.
07:09So that immediately told us that somebody that made that quilt and went to that effort really loved that child.
07:15We thought if we could recreate the quilt and publicise that, somebody out there would be able to identify that quilt.
07:23Detectives hope new pictures released today will provide much needed leads in the baffling suitcase murder investigation.
07:30A mannequin dressed in a blonde wig and a distinctive black dress.
07:34It's the haunting figure now at the centre of a gruesome Murray Malley mystery.
07:37The victim is most likely a little girl, two to four years of age, who would be about this size.
07:45Detectives desperate to hear from anyone who recognises the bag or these girls clothes found inside it.
07:52A dress, a shoe, shorts and t-shirts among the items.
07:56Police hope this display will trigger someone's memory.
07:59That strategy brought about, ultimately, caller 1267.
08:09Caller 1267, it's a number that's etched in my mind.
08:14That was an amazing moment when I got a phone call that Crimestoppers had received a call.
08:17The pink dress, which was the subject of the call, as well as the quilt, and caller 1267 contacted Crimestoppers to state that friends of hers, Carly and Candelis, had not been seen for over seven years.
08:37The victim is most likely a little girl, two to four years of age.
08:54Tanya Webber had called Crimestoppers on that day to state that friends of hers, Carly and Candelis, had not been seen for over seven years.
09:06It was your call that helped police unlock this mystery.
09:12Yep.
09:14You were the breakthrough that they needed.
09:15Yeah.
09:16I'm glad I called.
09:17Really glad I'm called.
09:19Yeah.
09:21She was the call that they had been waiting for, in many ways had been waiting five years for.
09:27Carly.
09:29Tanya Webber was a close friend of Carly, Pierce-Stevenson's mother.
09:34And I met her when we were filming a 60-minute story.
09:41Carly Pierce-Stevenson grew up in Alice Springs, surrounded by loving family.
09:47It was the perfect place for the 20-year-old single mum to raise her two-year-old daughter Candelis, or Candels, as she was affectionately known.
09:57So when Tanya Webber saw the police appeal to help try and identify the remains of this young girl, she noticed something familiar.
10:07My husband walked through the door and I said, oh, you know, these could be candles.
10:12After identifying the pink dress and the quilt was belonging to Candelis, Tanya Webber then provided photos to us that would unlock the case.
10:22This photograph shows Candelis in the pram, and it's an earlier shot of her, but importantly it's got the quilt behind her used as cushioning.
10:36And you can see the distinctive musical notes that were around the edge of that quilt.
10:46In the later photograph you see Candelis wearing a little pink dress.
10:51We had no doubt as a result of receiving those photos that it would be Candelis, but it was just too early to confirm that without proof.
11:05The proof we needed came on October 12, 2015.
11:10Using medical records obtained from Adelaide, we were able to finally identify the body in the suitcase as being Candelis Chiara Pierce.
11:22Candelis, two and a half years old at the time of her death.
11:28A little, blonde, child.
11:35Who had the rest of her life ahead of her, but it was cut short.
11:41Candelis had left Alice Springs with her mother, Carly, and had not been seen by friends or family since 2008.
11:49And so the investigators naturally formed an assumption or a belief that something has also happened to the mother.
11:57The mother of a two-year-old child wouldn't generally leave the child alone to end up the way she did.
12:06Victimology is a big part of detective work and South Australia Police commenced the victimology profile of Carly.
12:20And through that victimology, they identified that she'd been associating with and travelling with a fellow named Daniel Marshall.
12:30He used more than one name throughout his life.
12:35I know him as Daniel Holden from my investigations.
12:40I remember talking to Tanya about when Carly first met Daniel.
12:46I think they knew him as Daniel Marshall back then, but Tanya didn't like him.
12:50He was, well, A, he was much older than Carly.
12:54There was something about him, Tanya said to me, that just irked her.
12:58She just felt uncomfortable in his presence.
13:00Tanya resented the fact that this older man, this unfriendly man, had come into Carly's life and almost brainwashed her.
13:09You know, he had found a vulnerability in Carly and exploited it.
13:13She was packing up her life, packing up everything she'd ever known and taking her two year old daughter with her to start a new life with this mysterious man who no one liked, who everyone had a bad feeling about.
13:31How long was it before you next heard from Carly?
13:35About a week or a week and a half after she left.
13:38She rang me up. She was crying.
13:43She just said to me that she thought she'd fucked up.
13:47She wanted to come home, by the sounds of things.
13:49And I said, well, I can book a flight. I can pay for a flight. Do you have money? No, no, no. You know, it's OK.
13:55And by the end of the conversation, she was sort of back to her giggly laughing self.
14:01So I didn't think too much more of it.
14:04That was the last time you heard from Carly?
14:06Yep.
14:09Carly's mother had been in contact with Carly.
14:15She had had last contact with Carly through phone calls in 2008 and received some messages from Carly via SMS in 2009.
14:26After those SMS communications ceased, she reported Carly as missing person in 2009.
14:36We found out that Carly had been reported missing in 2009 in the Northern Territory.
14:46Candelise hadn't been reported as a missing person because Carly was the person the report was made out to.
14:52And although I mentioned she was with Candelise, Candelise didn't appear on any databases as a missing person.
14:59What we learned from Northern Territory was that they'd made contact with Daniel Holden.
15:05And he had said that she'd left and gone to Queensland.
15:09Not long after that, her family received a text message from Carly's phone saying that she was OK.
15:18So in their mind, Carly was still alive.
15:28They reported that to the Northern Territory Police and that was enough for police to pull Carly's missing persons report from their database.
15:36Carly's bank cards were still being accessed.
15:39Money was still being withdrawn from her accounts.
15:42In the minds of police at the time in Northern Territory, Carly was alive and well.
15:50As the investigation progressed, that information was reviewed and it was established that the contacts in 2009 from Carly via SMS were not Carly at all.
16:12When the remains in the suitcase were identified as two-year-old Candelise, the next step was to find her mother Carly.
16:24The two had left Alice Springs with Daniel Holden in 2008.
16:29Even though texts had been sent to family and friends, seemingly from Carly, she had not been seen for nearly seven years.
16:42Good evening. Police say they won't draw any conclusions about human remains found in the Belangelo State Forest.
16:59The bones were found by trail bike riders and the homicide squad has been on the scene all day.
17:04On the 29th of August 2010, some trail bike riders riding through the Belangelo Forest took a break from their riding for a short comfort stop.
17:18And one of the gentlemen that were riding the trail bikes located some remains lying beside a large tree.
17:24They were skeletal remains on the forest floor.
17:29And they were remains that were scattered across about a 60 square metre area.
17:37Once the gentlemen reported the matter to police and the state homicide squad responded, Strike Force Hickson was commenced.
17:47The discovery of bones in the Belangelo Forest obviously drew an inference to Ivan Milat.
17:59It may be coincidence, but this was Ivan Milat's chosen killing field, assigned by the road with an eerie message.
18:16Please be careful.
18:17In addition to Ivan Milat, his nephew had also committed a murder in the Belangelo Forest.
18:26And so those two lines of inquiry were prolific for the initial investigation team.
18:32Police still don't know who the victim is, but they say the bones are those of a young woman aged between 15 and 25.
18:39Investigators have one vital clue, a piece of clothing found with the bones, which they hope will help them identify this young woman.
18:47I remember back in 2010, first hearing about the angel of Belangelo.
18:55She was given that name because of a T-shirt that was found, basically discarded, you know, on the side of a track that was discovered by a few dirt bike riders.
19:05And you just automatically feel for the family who doesn't have answers, right?
19:09Because this person didn't have an identity. They were just bones at that point.
19:13They were simply remains and a T-shirt, discarded on the side of a track.
19:17Some of the lines of inquiry that Strife Force Hickson pursued were a detailed crime scene examination, looking into all the things and artefacts discovered at the crime scene within the forest.
19:32DNA and forensic procedures. They utilized a facial approximation process where the skull that was recovered was recreated into a facial image and that was circulated across the media.
19:48They reached out to the Australian Dental Association through the Australian Dental Journal to try and identify the remains through the teeth that were recovered at the crime scene.
20:01The victim is most likely a little girl.
20:20After our public appeal for information regarding the suitcase remains, Tanya Webber called Crime Stoppers to say she believes that Candelis was the victim.
20:28Before DNA testing confirmed she was correct, investigators from Task Force Mallee started looking for Candelis' mother, Carly.
20:39She was no longer registered as a missing person, even though she hadn't been seen since 2008.
20:47We established that Carly and Candelis were last seen in Canberra in December 2008.
20:53That was just a two hour drive from where the Angel of Belangelo was found in 2010.
20:58Could Carly be the Angel of Belangelo?
21:01So, once the DNA of Candelis had been confirmed by our State Forensic Science Centre, I made a call to Sydney Homicide and asked them if it would be worth running the DNA results from Candelis against the body in the Belangelo.
21:27I thought it was a long shot, but we thought it was a long shot, but we thought it was a shot we needed to take.
21:37New South Wales Police were fantastic. They got on board. Forensic Science in South Australia ran the DNA.
21:46The Belangelo Angel was positively identified forensically through medical records.
21:54Carly, Pierce Stevenson, Candelis' mother.
21:58A significant day in the investigation.
22:05To find out that we had two murders 1,100 kilometres apart, years and years apart, were linked, was unbelievable.
22:28And it supported the original thought we had on the day that Candelis wasn't reported missing because her mother was dead.
22:37The key people for us in New South Wales was Detective Superintendent Mick Willing, Detective Inspector Jason Dickinson and Detective Sergeant Darren Gunn.
22:49We were in contact with him constantly, regardless of where we were.
22:55My name's Jason Dickinson. I'm a Detective Superintendent in the New South Wales Police Force.
23:00In 2015, I was a Detective Inspector attached to the Homicide Squad.
23:07When the link between the two cases was identified, we moved very quickly.
23:11And from that point on, it was about coordinating our effort, identifying what was known by both investigations, where our gaps were.
23:19And it was then a case of formulating our strategies going forward so that we were working collectively and that we were coordinating our effort.
23:28The major factor was that they hadn't been seen for over seven years, which meant the suspect or suspects were seven years ahead of us.
23:43Now, the question was, who was responsible?
23:47The evidence and victimology pointed to one suspect, Carly's boyfriend, Daniel Holden.
23:53And we didn't have to look too hard to find him.
24:03When police located Daniel Holden, he was already in prison.
24:10He was already serving time for the sexual assault of a nine-year-old girl.
24:13This is the kind of person we're talking about.
24:17This was the kind of person who had a track record for abusing and preying on young, vulnerable women and girls.
24:25This is the kind of person who, for five years, thought he'd gotten away with murder.
24:28The South Australia police quickly established that Holden was in custody in New South Wales.
24:43So they had to investigate his association and history with Carly to progress further.
24:50Since 2014, Holden had been in Cessnock jail serving a four-year sentence.
24:59What we needed to establish was his whereabouts in the days following the last known sighting of Carly and Kenderleafs in Canberra in December 2008.
25:08So basically we sought to identify anybody associated with Carly and Daniel Holden.
25:18We knew Daniel Holden had been with Carly for a period of time.
25:23We started building profiles on everybody to look at who we would have to speak to.
25:28And it was decided that that would be done simultaneously across the country.
25:37The date we picked was the 21st of October 2015.
25:43The most important, as we saw it, was the interview of a key suspect, Daniel Holden.
25:49He was taken to the Cessnock police station for interview.
25:52In the preparation for our interview with Holden, Detective Hupperts and I established that should Holden be prepared to talk to us about the matter,
26:08we would seek to establish his association with Carly and the history of their movements throughout Australia in the time that they were together.
26:19We were prepared to listen to his version and his story about what had taken place whilst he and Carly were together.
26:35So for the seven hours and 24 minutes the interview took, Holden did talk to us.
26:42And he talked to us a lot.
26:43He talked to us about his relationship with Carly.
26:48He talked about the last time he saw Carly.
26:52He talked about Carly leaving him and then him returning to South Australia after living in the ACT.
27:00He was prepared to talk a lot.
27:04But he denied being involved in their murders.
27:09Categorically denied being involved in their murders.
27:14On the 21st of October there was a lot going on away from Cessnock.
27:33There was witnesses being spoken to.
27:36When the South Australian Police was speaking with his former partner, Hazel Passmore, she provided information to them about Holden's involvement in the murders of Carly and Candelise.
27:59That included the existence of photographs which were potentially connected to the crime.
28:10On October the 22nd, a relative of Holden's partner, Hazel Passmore, walked into the police station and handed the SD card to detectives.
28:22When that SD card was handed in, everybody was shocked at the contents of it.
28:35And it was clearly evident from those photographs that Carly was dead and there was terrible photos of her remains being defiled.
28:59Yeah, this is a picture of Hazel Passmore, who was the partner of Daniel Holden in 2008.
29:10In about September 2008, she was with Holden, travelling in a vehicle with three kids.
29:21Holden was driving, the vehicle rolled and unfortunately two of Hazel's children died at the scene.
29:28And she herself was trapped for a number of hours in the vehicle.
29:33As a result of that, she lost a leg.
29:38And it was while Hazel Passmore was in hospital that Holden commenced his relationship with Carly.
29:47Hazel Passmore became prolific in this investigation.
29:52It was very clear that Hazel and Holden had a relationship, I think, that can be best described as perverse in many ways.
30:05They shared some dark secrets when Carly died.
30:12Holden re-commenced his relationship with Hazel Passmore.
30:19It appears for the following year or year and a half that Holden kept Carly's phone active.
30:29He took on her social security identity and through that process defrauded large sums of money under Carly's name.
30:42But it wasn't the revelations of their perverse relationship or the confirmation of the social security fraud which stunned us.
30:52It was clear to us that Hazel had seen those photos of Carly, didn't notify the police and kept those to herself.
31:04Hazel told us she'd given the SD card to a relative in 2012, telling her to keep it in case anything ever happened to her.
31:15She said she was fearful of what Holden was capable of.
31:19Once we got it, our team began the arduous process of forensically examining every aspect of its contents, including photos of Carly's murder scene.
31:29Yeah, this is a really important photo and was critical to the success of the investigation.
31:46It's a zoomed in photograph of a forearm of Daniel Holden.
31:51We know it's Daniel Holden because on that photograph you can see two moles that were on his arm.
31:59And that photograph had him and Carly in the photograph at the same time.
32:04I won't talk about the other photos because they're too graphic and too disturbing.
32:10There was one series of photographs important to the investigation I can talk about.
32:15The SD card contained photographs of Holden attending an event at a school in Alice Springs following the death of Hazel's children.
32:25And it was a memorial, if you like, that was put in by the school.
32:30And Holden went back for that.
32:32And he's photographed with the classmates of the deceased children and the school teacher.
32:38One of our detectives, upon reviewing all the photographs and looking at the metadata, realised that the metadata and the time clock for all the photos was significantly out of time by many years.
32:53When he saw this photo, he identified there was a faint image of a watch being worn by a school teacher.
32:58So he contacted the school, identified the date of this and was able to identify the exact time this photograph was taken.
33:08And he was able to use that to adjust the timings on the metadata, not just for this photo, but every photo on the SD card.
33:15And that meant that we could put Daniel Holden in Belangelo Forest at the critical time when Carly was killed.
33:25And could also put Daniel Holden in Wanaka, where the lifeless body of Carly's daughter Candelis was dumped in a suitcase.
33:36An amazing piece of work.
33:37Further to the metadata breakthrough, Hazel Pasmore recalled a conversation she'd had with Daniel Holden regarding the murder of two-year-old Candelis.
33:51Partway through Hazel's interview, she described graphically the murder of Candelis and what she had been told by Holden.
34:01We began to feel quietly confident. We were not only pursuing the right perpetrator, but the evidence was mounting against him.
34:12We had the confessions that he'd made to a number of people, including a person in Canberra to Pasmore.
34:19We had cell tower movements that supported the fact that he'd gone to Belangelo.
34:23We had the photographs.
34:26We had him identified as being in the forest with her body.
34:29We had the moles.
34:32We had the purchase of the duct tape and the cloth that was used in her murder.
34:36The Lancer bag.
34:38Yeah, we just had an enormous amount of evidence.
34:44The only thing we didn't have was the truth from Holden.
34:47On the 28th of October, I received the notification from Correctives New South Wales that Holden wanted to speak to us.
34:58And we were really excited that he may be going to tell us about his involvement in the murders of Carly and Candelis.
35:06We commenced the interview with him and Holden produced a seven page document consisting of handwritten notes.
35:18And in doing so, implicated his cousin, Derek Dover, and his partner, Christine.
35:28It was a self-serving process for Holden, who had no intention of admitting his involvement in the murders of Carly and Candelis.
35:39Daniel Holden gave three accounts of what happened to Carly and Candelis.
35:46His first version on the 21st of October.
35:49His second version on the 28th of October.
35:52And then a version he provided to a psychiatrist in pre-sentence screening for the Supreme Court.
35:58Every version is different.
36:02I have difficulty believing anything that Daniel Holden says.
36:09I believe he's a pathological liar.
36:12By October 28th, we were confident that Holden had killed the mother and child.
36:20However, there was a question mark over where he ended the toddler's life.
36:25It may have been in New South Wales, or it may have been in South Australia.
36:32While we put more work into that, we decided to only charge him for Carly's murder.
36:41It was at that point I arrested him for her murder.
36:44Tonight, a 41-year-old man is behind bars accused of murdering young mother Carly Pierce Stevenson.
36:59The face of an alleged killer.
37:01A man police say did the unthinkable.
37:04Daniel Holden.
37:05He's charged with murdering 20-year-old mother Carly Pierce Stevenson, dumping her body in Belanglo Forest.
37:13He has not been charged with murdering Carly's two-year-old daughter Candelise.
37:18We still didn't know where Candelise had been murdered.
37:28Ultimately, we were able to conclude that Daniel Holden had taken young Candelise hostage after killing her mother at Belanglo.
37:36He then kept the two-year-old as his prisoner for four days until he arrived at the Riverina town of Narrandera, where he checked into a motel.
37:47He killed Candelise there.
37:50And that he then continued from there through New South Wales into South Australia, through the Riverland.
38:00And once he reached Wanaka, he disposed of Candelise in a suitcase on the side of the road.
38:09We could have had trials in both New South Wales and South Australia.
38:21It would have been particularly cruel to subject the family to two trials, possibly many, many, many years apart.
38:29So the decision was made, the right thing to do was for us to relinquish control of the investigation and transfer the leadership role of the investigation to New South Wales Police.
38:45Now that we charged Holden for both Carly and Candelise's murders, the matter was going to proceed to court.
38:51Ultimately, through the work of the DPP Crown Prosecutor, Holden offered two pleas of guilty to both counts of murder in July 2018.
39:06This news came as a relief, as we expected a liar like Holden taking us through a drawn out criminal trial in the Supreme Court.
39:13It meant that all the witnesses that would have to come to a criminal trial would no longer be needing to go through that arduous process.
39:24And it meant that he'd acknowledged finally his involvement in the murders of Carly and Candelise.
39:34Something which he failed to do in our interviews.
39:37But Holden wasn't done toying with us.
39:42On the last day of his sentencing, he tried to change his plea on the murder of Candelise to not guilty.
39:48Justice Robert Hume was having none of it.
39:52And on November 30th, 2018, Holden's sentence was finally delivered.
39:57The judge described Daniel Holden's actions as despicable, as unspeakable.
40:10Violating her in a most callous and sadistic way.
40:14He compounded this further when he took photographs of his unspeakable mistreatment, which he kept as a vile trophy of his own inhumanity.
40:22From somebody who had no remorse, who cared not for his victims, who cared not for their family and loved ones, who was only thinking of himself and what he could gain from this.
40:33Not only had Daniel Holden killed Carly in Blanglow State Forest, he then took photos of her lifeless body as if this was some kind of trophy kill.
40:44And he kept those photos, he kept those photos on his device for years afterwards.
40:51He showed the photos of Carly's lifeless body to his next partner, to Hazel Passmore.
40:57And she said nothing.
40:58We were happy that Holden would never be released.
41:04And South Australia and Australia is a much safer place with him in prison.
41:13This was a case that had crossed three state lines.
41:18It started in Northern Territory, it made its way through New South Wales and it entered in South Australia.
41:22What was required to solve a case like this was incredible police work across three jurisdictions.
41:30It was really the work of the police in South Australia that had helped piece this mystery together.
41:36But the collaboration between jurisdictions that we saw here from police was really incredible work.
41:43This investigation was enormous.
41:46We had over 2,000 reports to Crimestoppers.
41:50We had 57 suspects that we identified.
41:54We identified 12,000 babies that were born in the relevant timeframe to try to identify potential victims from that.
42:05People like Tanya Webber, investigations couldn't be as successful as they are without the evidence.
42:13We had that assistance.
42:14And we were appreciative of it.
42:15Carly.
42:16I do this for the families.
42:32As detectives, we speak for those who cannot speak.
42:36This was a job that touched the hearts of everybody across Australia.
42:52I miss the freckles on your face.
42:56Look just like the Milky Way.
42:59I've never been involved in my 50 odd years in the police with a job where there was so much investment from everybody in the community.
43:10Everybody wanted to solve this case.
43:13You saw roadside memorials.
43:15We had flowers delivered to our office.
43:19We had cards sent to our office.
43:22Yeah, it was just an outpouring of grief, I think, across the country and a sense of relief nationwide when he was arrested and convicted.
43:31I think he was convicted.
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