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Wiggy blaming Joe Mazzulla for the slow start??
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Wiggy blaming Joe Mazzulla for the slow start?? Was that the worst 3pt shooting game EVER? (min. 50 attempts) Tatum's absence is obvious- Thoughts on JB thus far? #NBA
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the worst three-point shooting performance of all time by any team that attempted 50 or more
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threes in a basketball game. Wiggy was surprisingly somewhat critical of Joe Missoula earlier on the
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program. Shocked me, shocked Curtis. Because I think when I look at this basketball team,
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they're not the same team. And say what you want. And I like, listen, I think Joe Missoula is a
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great coach. But you have to coach. What does he do great? I think you have to coach differently when
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you don't have Jason Tatum. So what I would do, I told you, I would not start Pete Pritch. I would
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start Anthony Simons. He would be starting for me because I feel like there's a lot of pressure on
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Pete Pritch for him to like perform at a level that he might not be used to as a starter now.
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Well, I mean, he was the NBA. He was the sixth man of the NBA last year.
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Six, yeah. Six man. Yeah, but you have the expectation with everybody that in the absence
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of Jason Tatum, they're going to have to find a way to step up. Right, but not everybody can handle
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the new roles. You know, some guys are just better off coming off the bench. But I do think we need
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to give them more than, you know, less than 10 games. I mean, I am. We're getting close though.
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Yes, we're getting close. I am, but if this is Jason Tatum. I get it. And I listen. If Jalen was
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hurt and this was Jason Tatum, we would not be saying that. I was just going to say to you,
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as a Jalen Brown stan, I want to first say he's the reason why they're in these games that they're
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losing so closely, first and foremost. Secondly, Jason Tatum, his absence is as obvious as it's
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ever been. And I thought that we were going into this season and Jalen was going to immediately
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jump into that leadership role and be able to take over and be the leader that I believe he is
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and that we weren't going to miss Jason Tatum as much as we have been. So I was completely wrong
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on that. He was 100% right on that. But I do think that we need to give them a bit more time to
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figure each other out and also learn how to get into those new roles. I'm with you. If you want to
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put Simons in to start and take Peyton Pritchard out to start, that's fine. But I think Jalen Brown
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is going to figure it out. And all these other guys are going to figure it out as well.
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But my thing is like, Wiggy, you're talking about Joe Mazzoula. He hasn't changed anything.
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Their offense is the same offense and they don't have the players to hit the threes,
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which shows that anybody could coach the team. They're winning games, doing the exact things
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they do when they're losing them because the players on the floor have changed. That's what's
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gone on. To say that Mazzoula is a brilliant coach, this literally shows the opposite.
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Well, I'm saying he's not doing well this year. His coaching style.
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But he did the exact thing and they won games because he had Jason Taylor.
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But I also think his style of coaching is what unlocks players to play at a certain level
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and has them playing hard and granted, they haven't been doing that.
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I understand that when you look at basketball, when your superstar player goes down, it don't
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matter who the coach is. You're not going to be able to withstand that unless the other
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guys are able to step up. Who's the more talented team, the Jazz or the Celtics?
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The Celtics.
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Okay, so where was the game? In Utah or at home?
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It was at the Celtics. I got it.
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Okay, and they lost?
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Yeah.
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Okay, so it's not about the inferior opponent or the lack of talent on the team. They were
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more talented than the team they lost to.
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No, I understand that. But you can start to see, and I think what this shows is the difference
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that Jason Tatum makes as a player. Because not only does he help you with scoring, assisting,
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making everybody better, but he averages eight or nine rebounds a game. You're getting killed
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on the offensive boards.
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No, but how do you go into a season after an offseason in which you knew you were going
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to be without Jason Tatum for a considerable amount of time? And that means without his points
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and not figure out from a strategy perspective what you're going to do to make up for them
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short of just throwing up an additional 10 three-point attempts.
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And this is not like, if the Celtics had lost Tatum in the first game, who was the guard
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that got injured really horrible, that horrible injury years and years ago with Kyrie?
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Oh, you're talking about Gordon Hayward?
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Gordon Hayward. If this were like a Gordon Hayward injury in the first game of the season,
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I would say, totally understand it. Eight games in, this was thrust upon them in a way
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they couldn't prepare. They've had six months.
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Right. But see, if you want to look at it that way, then you have to start to look and go,
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well, the decisions that Brad and ownership made to ship out a lot of these guys and bring
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in a completely different team. Like your starting lineup went from, let's say you knew Tatum
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was going to be out because of injury. So you're at the starting lineup.
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Yeah, you don't have Drew Holiday.
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You don't have Drew Holiday. You don't have poor Zingas. You don't have Al Horford.
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Yeah, you don't have Al Horford. Yeah.
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But you have Chisholm.
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Right. So that's like, when you look at what your team was last year, and that meant
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Pete Pritch and Sam Hauser came off the bench.
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Well, that's why it shocked me when you said that you expected them to be a top three team.
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Well, because I looked at the rest.
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Finishing the season.
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Right. You can't have both of these things with you.
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No, because I looked at the rest of the Eastern Conference, and I'm like, oh, they still
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got enough talent. I was in the camp of, oh, Jalen Brown is going to have a great opportunity
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to put this team on his back and kind of do...
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Scoring, he has put this team on his back.
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Yeah, scoring, but you've got to be more than just a scorer.
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But I think the rest of it can come with time.
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Yeah, they don't have a lot.
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It's very early.
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So they either have to start winning basketball games or rush Jason Tatum back.
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But Greg, do you understand my frustration with this conversation?
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Wiggy says they're a top three team, and then he says you can't blame Missoula because
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they're not very good.
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No, I didn't say...
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I blame Missoula.
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What part of the conversation did you not hear me say, I blame Joe Missoula?
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I mean, I don't know how many different ways you want...
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You said you blame Brad Stevens for not putting a good team together.
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I said, I put a lot of this on Joe Missoula.
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I then said, if they knew about this six months ago, because you said that, I said, they should
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have been...
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Brad Stevens should have did a better job of building a team that would work towards Missoula
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his coaching style or not get rid of those guys.
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Or maybe they're tanking.
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Like, maybe we should appreciate the tank.
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No, we can't do that, because when they win, we get the call saying, Curtis, you're wrong
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about Missoula, and then they lose and they disappear.
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I don't think they're tanking.
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I think...
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I don't either.
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I think that Missoula hasn't done a good job as a coach in the sense of, we have to
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change our offensive philosophy.
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But he's doing exactly what he's always done.
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I understand that, Curtis.
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I said, without Tatum, you have to change that philosophy.
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But they were without Tatum when you said they were a top three team.
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But you did, and I said, because I was thinking he was going to change his philosophy, be a
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little bit more up-paced, play with energy.
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You have to change your philosophy when everybody on your starting five could knock down threes.
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When Al Horford could do it, when Porzingis could do it, when Drew Holiday could do it at
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times, you could say, oh, we could get away with it.
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But now your team is different.
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Josh Minard is not a three-point shooter.
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They launched 51 attempts at threes last night.
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They made 11 of them.
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That's not adjusting your style at all.
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And I am blaming Missoula.
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What part of that am I blaming?
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How many times have I said that?
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Yeah, you said yesterday.
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Am I the one who's a sickle in them?
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You pivoted to Brad Stevens.
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No, I pivoted to Brad Stevens because Curtis said, well, they should have been prepared about
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this six months ago.
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And I said, well, if they knew about this, then maybe Brad should have said, you know
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what?
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Maybe let's not give away Porzingis.
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Maybe let's not give away Drew Holiday or Al Horford.
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But they did.
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So when they did that and I saw them in the preseason, I said, okay, they're going to play
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with more energy.
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Get to the rim.
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This is Kelvin.
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Hey, Kelvin, what's up?
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Yeah, I was wrong about Brown.
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He needs to go.
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And you guys lost the opportunity to trade it for three or two good people.
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Now he showed that he's not a leader.
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Well, I mean, that's a whole different thing.
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Courtney's right.
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Like he's what he had last night, 36.
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Yeah.
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Like point wise, he's giving you the points.
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I just don't know that he's the guy to lead the basketball team.
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He is a leader.
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He's shown us over and over again that he is a leader on this team.
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So like, give me a break about that.
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Like, you got to get rid of him because he's a bad leader.
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He's a great leader.
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That's never been Jalen Brown's problem.
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People just don't like him.
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They don't like the way he leads.
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But Jalen Brown has always been a vocal leader.
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He's not leading this team.
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How do you know that?
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Oh, I feel like all the guys buy into him.
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I just look at the results.
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Like the results are not.
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Yeah, they're losing games.
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But then you hear all of the guys saying they're figuring each other out.
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That's not going to happen overnight.
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They're eight games in.
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I just think that jumping to conclusions saying Jalen Brown is a bad leader and you got to get
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rid of him is an absurd thing.
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I wouldn't say he's a bad leader, but he's he had 36 last night and he could score, but
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he was averaging over 30.
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No, he's averaging like 25.
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Oh, it's close.
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Right.
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So, so, so, so he's, he's, he can get you points, right?
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He can get you points, but the only thing you need from him, but you got in the absence
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of Jason, you need more from him.
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You need more points, but you need more assists.
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You need more rebounds.
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That's the difference.
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It's like Tatum could get you points, but he could also do other things.
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And I think that's the role where Jalen Brown has to be better.
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And he only had what?
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Three assists last night.
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Yeah.
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And Wiggs, the one thing that you have been spot on about as it pertains to Jalen is
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that no matter how many points Tatum had, if the Celtics lost, it would be a discussion
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about how Tatum didn't hit a final shot.
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Tatum didn't do enough.
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And that conversation has not been surrounding Jalen Brown in these games.
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