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Up 3-1 in series, Celtics fall to Philadelphia in Game 7, 109-100. What are your thoughts on the series/season? Was season a "failure"? Jayson Tatum DNP in Game 7- Thoughts on Tatum's absence?
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00:00worst sports weekend around here in my 59 years of life say it again say again say again i mean
00:11why are you here it's a big show why are you showing up i am just i i i don't
00:18know where to
00:18start i where do you guys want to start you have to start the celtics right i let's be honest
00:24with
00:24ourselves yes is is jalen brown still on twitch talking about how there's a referee conspiracy
00:31against him oh is that he's crashing out is that is that still going is he still is he still
00:36streaming
00:36like at least he showed up i mean are you kidding me are you kidding me i might strangle chime
00:44today
00:44by the way really the text this man was sending me saturday night while i was at the game while
00:50i was
00:51working the text that he sent in me that that he sent me that became increasingly unhinged
00:56shiny you mean about widow baby tatum and his little off way unhinged he's gonna go down that road i
01:04mean curtis just mentioned yeah didn't you hear him just cackling back there he he didn't he didn't
01:08show up i mean what are we talking about are we gonna go down that road what other road would
01:14you go down me and mego did a show that morning and she's like yeah he's definitely playing today
01:19i thought i thought he was playing i thought so when he was questionable on the injury report so let
01:23me get this right the dude rushes back right because it was about him all his power when he
01:30rushed back and he did a documentary on it to do everything he can to come back from the achilles
01:34injury to prove that he came back the fact that in game seven he bitches out he taps out yep
01:40but he
01:41could play so you're saying he could have played it a thousand percent wasn't even the same leg
02:00so you're questioning his toughness and basically saying he didn't he could have played yes but he
02:07didn't play but he he rushed and did everything his power to come back from an achilles right but
02:12it was about him wow why did they why did they not just say he was going to be out
02:17why did they
02:17have to wait until an hour and a half no because jalen brown didn't find out until an hour by
02:21its
02:21very nature it was questionable because i think he was trying in his power if he could have played he
02:27would have played what would have happened if he played he said he had stiffness in his right leg
02:31there's no way you go wiki you played professionally what would have happened if he played right he
02:37wouldn't he probably would have made it through five minutes of the game
02:41come on wiki come on i love you man i love so you so wait i love your loyalty is
02:48this the road we're
02:49going down what we're going down like what other road would you go down we go down several roads this
02:54is this is one of them i'll go down this listen i'll go down this dumb road with you thank
03:02you
03:02that will go down the dumbest road possible thank you so much so the guy tapped out because
03:09he wanted so what's the reason why he tapped out because he's not who he professes selfish so he
03:14tapped out you guys really believe he didn't want to play in a game seven he didn't feel comfortable
03:19that he could be at his best and he didn't want to not be at his best and be judged
03:22poorly for a poor
03:24performance so i'm gonna i'm gonna go through a little history lesson very quickly and my lead
03:29related to this okay okay no not even i've been fielding a lot of these in my dms all right
03:38i bet
03:38you guys i i love the dms but it was it was tough in there i was battling in there
03:44oh yeah you definitely
03:45gonna battle i already i already entered the twitch chat i'm prepared to battle today well down all right
03:50there's a road to go down when it comes to the coach of this basketball team oh yeah that was
03:56horrendous and what a starting five that was horrible so that i have have you ever heard the
04:03expression that when it like and i go right to food that you don't that you don't start experimenting
04:11with the menu on thanksgiving have you ever heard have you ever heard that yeah the patriots thing
04:16what was their thing yeah like so he they thought they saw they they thought they saw something or
04:24we'll hear from joe mazul later like they thought they maybe could mix things up a little bit and give
04:30it a give it a try in a game seven when when you are about to blow a 3-1
04:37lead and have the worst
04:39collapse in the history of the storied boston celtics franchise joe mazulah that was get out of here
04:47dude but you have to kind of appreciate that it was even worse than you could have expected oh my
04:53god
04:54i had to check 16 twitter accounts i'm like what oh my god is this this rod harper still in
05:00the oh
05:01it's his son you are zeros around the board you are down by two with three minutes left yep you're
05:10the celtics you have jalen brown and others and you can't close that game out like and you're
05:18continuing to launch threes when threes aren't going in and and to i mean i oh that's like jalen
05:27brown on his stream last night which we'll get to all morning was defending the play where they got
05:35the board derrick white brings the ball up there's two minutes left they're down by one and derrick
05:42white passes a ball to jalen brown and jalen brown basically looks at nemus kata who's underneath the
05:50hoop all alone and then goes out to the corner to peyton pritchard for a three which he doesn't make
05:57no way he missed yeah he's wide open in the corner he missed he missed it curtis and so did
06:04you think of
06:04office space looking at missoula like what would you say you do here like if it's just chuck up threes
06:12why isn't greg the coach of the celtics yeah i did coach a little bit of uh summer league for
06:18neshoba regional high school after i left the basketball program there that's great i have i
06:22could i could i if if necessary i could draw up uh a pretty good like several pretty good plays
06:29off
06:29of motion oh so you're kind of like a brad steven there you go i was a big motion guy
06:33but i just as a
06:36coach i am i they there's got to be things that change oh yeah like there there have got to
06:44be
06:44things that change and you know if not for joelle and bead flopping all the time then they would have
06:50won that game that's that's what jalen brown told me all night on his on his endless stream
06:55you got to play defense if you're gonna hawk up a million threes and go 29 percent they were only
07:00calling the elbow on him yeah they weren't calling the elbow on anybody else everybody
07:04this is mike from florida to get us started this morning hello mike
07:11i want to say good morning but to hell with that yeah this this is not a good this is
07:15not a good
07:16morning you can't call us a good morning what we just watched over the course of this weekend
07:20the bruins weren't supposed to be there should should they have probably put something better
07:24together for that game yes but they weren't supposed to be there mike i'll take the blame
07:29for that i jinxed that i shouldn't i i even yeah it's all i i i was on instagram i
07:34mentioned the
07:34jinx i shouldn't have done that i but yes they weren't supposed to be there but they also got
07:40bounced so we got to hold them accountable also so but anyway good when it comes to the celtic
07:45when it comes to the celtic so you look at just look at tatum's face sitting there he just looked
07:51so lackluster and like it was almost like he knew that everyone was looking at him thinking the
07:57same thing what are you doing like if i'm sorry wiggy you're i'm gonna call fraudulent on this because
08:04if it was any other sport if it was if it was baseball maybe not baseball but if it was
08:09football if
08:10it was hockey and you had your leader the guy that's supposed to lead your franchise and and step
08:16up when it's time to step up regardless of his injury history over the course of the past
08:21year you would be calling for them tatum is different for you for whatever reason i wasn't
08:26calling for this guy i didn't call for patrice bergeron i didn't call for patrice bergeron
08:31when he missed wait didn't you didn't you say they should trade patrice no no no yes i did yes
08:36no that but then we're talking about the injury when when patrice bergeron heard him
08:40he even had a boo-boo when he heard his back and he looked like he had a boo-boo
08:44on his ego
08:45that's where he had a boo-boo on his ego no one wants to have a conversation now come on
08:49no one wants to have a conversation now they're out for their pound of flesh when patrice bergeron
08:54hurt his back which i thought was a dumb move for him to play in montreal the last game of
08:59the season
08:59and then cost me a relationship and then ultimately and then ultimately came back in the postseason but
09:06i think he ended up missing like the last couple of games in the playoffs that year because of the
09:11back injury he did i'm the one to play one last time for his dad and i said that was
09:16a that was a bad
09:17idea because they had already wrapped things up and then ultimately he hurt his back and then he
09:22missed playoffs games with the back injury and wiki's a thousand percent right on that one you
09:26couldn't even talk about it you were like dumped like if you mentioned so i was talking about when i
09:31said trade bergeron this was before the injury this is when he was healthy and the team was like okay
09:36could you get something with him because it's time to maybe rebuild and so that the tatum thing i look
09:41at it like this you knew something was coming because you saw it with kobe you saw it with katie
09:46both guys returned some type of injury afterwards i didn't know something was coming when mego had
09:51said it i was it was a little concerned but he's like yo i'm gonna play the fact that the
09:56road i'll
09:56go down the road but the road you're going down is that he tapped out because he was afraid to
10:01play
10:01hurt and if he performs poorly you people are not going to come down on him that because he's already
10:07made an unbelievable return and playing wiki i think people are coming down on him
10:12well if he plays if he performs and plays bad yeah off the uh achilles injury i look does he
10:19seem
10:19like does he seem like a guy to you who has who has a giant heart and a giant drive
10:25to be successful
10:26yes yeah to win yes when you do what you did to come off the achilles now you're going to
10:32question
10:33his toughness yes which dedication yeah one was about him and one was about a team
10:38like guys he before before the part of what people are examining with the achilles injury that he
10:44suffered last year is that he is year in year out one of the players who plays the most minutes
10:50and
10:50that's what he was doing leading up to this he was playing 40 minutes a night and you're telling me
10:55he's not dedicated he doesn't have heart no i don't think those words what i would use i would say
11:00that it is championships are not the most important thing to him what how can you say that when he
11:06hasn't made a serious run for mvp this entire point of his career because he's like i know that the
11:13championship has to come first he said you talked to people in his circle that's what they say he
11:18doesn't even talk about mvp he talks about the championship publicly he's talked about mvp voting
11:24and i think that candidly there's no if and i would even stipulate mago if it was the leg he
11:31hurt
11:32no it was the other leg can i yeah right you said you can't have a conversation it's a conversation
11:37of
11:38it though okay i'm just happy i'm just telling to mago i i would stipulate that if he missed the
11:42game
11:42and it was the leg that he had came back from in record time can i say one thing about
11:46this whole
11:47thing and this is just like me i i i'm look maybe i'm more on wiggy's side of the street
11:53and i'm
11:53going to be more defensive of this player because of what i think he went through over the last year
11:57and people clown on him for talking too much about his recovery even though the way that he recovered
12:02up until this point was pretty unprecedented for this injury you don't know what the medicals were
12:10everybody's sitting here acting like they got the chart in front of them saying oh i guess he had
12:14a sore knee and he decided he didn't want to play because he thought that he wouldn't put up the
12:18stats that he would expect you don't know like we don't know from the world that's coming from the
12:23world i'm just saying i mean his words were knee stiffness can we take into account that perhaps
12:28it was a calf strain that perhaps it was the kind of injury of overcompensation on the other leg
12:34but of course we don't have the medicals of course we don't know everybody else in a game seven a
12:40player of that magnitude in a game of that magnitude who doesn't play is going to be
12:46discussed yeah and we're discussing it this is the other side of it like we discussed kevin
12:51if you dissent on this it's like oh well okay well you're just completely i'm like okay agree to
12:57disagree we don't have the information by the way it goes both ways wiggy just said nobody else can
13:02comment on it because they weren't athletes no no no i said no i i said i i said yes
13:07fans fans have
13:08no right to say anything about jason datum because they didn't play professional sports because out of
13:13here because you said because i understand the criticism no no if you're gonna if you're gonna talk
13:18about it curtis said because it was the other leg and most people don't know he's compensating i think
13:25i could figure that part out he's more likely to hurt so when you go oh why didn't he play
13:28wasn't
13:29his bad leg and you thought he was gonna miss the game no i didn't think he was gonna miss
13:33the game
13:33why because he said oh i'll be good shots went on espn and said he was gonna play yeah so
13:39i didn't
13:40think he was gonna miss the game that's the whole point that's our whole point so and everybody in
13:44the world told us he's gonna play including him in order for him to miss the game that must have
13:49meant that his leg was so bad that he couldn't even gut it out and give you 25 minutes that's
13:56what
13:56that tells me why after the game did he tell us it was just knee stiffness because shine there's
14:00you can have knee stiffness and not be able to bang your knee because you make fun of all the
14:04hockey
14:04players after the series that tell you all these different injuries they have but they tell you the
14:08actual injury they have jason tatum's been telling you it's knee stiffness also to wiggy's point there
14:13were seven players who informed us over the weekend of their injuries and you want to know who's not
14:19making excuses for the boston bruins anybody because they blew that i have a super cut i'm putting
14:24together for later wait wait wait you just said nobody's making excuses for the bruins the caller
14:29just called in and said well we knew the bruins weren't supposed to be there in the first place
14:32but for the celtics is a different case which is fine we all agree that our expectations change
14:37i never i never as a as a former athlete i'll never question anybody's toughness because i understand
14:43how injuries you might think oh knee stiffness he could get through that there are times that you're
14:48or a stiff back or something along those lines there are times that it is so bad that you can't
14:54push through it and all you're doing is being becoming more of a liability to your team yeah i
14:59know what you know who had a stiff back and uh in the nba playoffs who's that your guy larry
15:04joe you
15:04know what he did he laid lay on the part earlier than he had to he lay on the parquet
15:11and i know
15:12larry did until he could get back in there and win a game for his basketball team that's what larry
15:18joe
15:18did the craziest thing is that since the late 80s early 90s there have been no advances in like
15:28medical imaging or anything for athletes to figure out what's going on with them in real time yes
15:33well and and to tatum's to megal's point tatum plays damn near 70 plus games a year he's one of
15:41those guys that doesn't miss games and so i'm not going down the road of oh he didn't play he
15:47could
15:47have played he could have gave you 25 minutes but he was too afraid that if he didn't perform well
15:51he didn't want to deal with the criticism so the season's on the line in need so you're gonna
15:55but do you think in his mind if he plays 25 minutes i don't know is he gonna no i'm
15:59asking the
16:00question is he gonna get criticized more for that or is he gonna get criticized for not playing at all
16:05not playing i believe i criticize more for not playing exactly but then he doesn't have to risk
16:09the game seven commentary that exists around him he everybody is not what's most important to him
16:15but the commentary's worse than why do you do a docu-series like on his return the comment sharing
16:22his story sharing his story doing something highlighting a personal achievement in a regular
16:28this makes no sense the commentary is worse because he didn't play if he would have gutted it
16:33out for 25 minutes and had a horrible game people might have still criticized him but it wouldn't
16:39have been as bad as the criticism that he's getting for sitting out i'll tell you what bothers me more
16:44is the other guy who told you all season long that he was the best two-way player in the
16:51world
16:51and nearly as soon as the game is over he's streaming away and blaming the refs and a conspiracy
16:59against him and joelle and bead flopping like that bothers me more and and we'll have plenty of time
17:06to talk about that as well so there's a lot to get to we've reached the point in the red
17:11sox season
17:12where the veterans are blaming the young guys and then the young guys are snapping back at the
17:17veterans this city is it is it a spiral so we will get to all of that mike rabel had
17:23a great weekend
17:24well i i mean up until last night on television oh um oh i saw that yeah up until inside
17:33the nba
17:33and they're the little uh art art piece that they put together on the ss the titanic homage uh with
17:42with mike rabel and diana russini yes certainly yeah all right well a lot to get to obviously this
17:48morning this is keith from my adopted home continent of maine hello keith
17:53hey how you doing what's up i just wanted to reach hey i wanted to reach out about uh tatum
17:58being a little bit soft i mean he's a great player but look at the uh duration of his career
18:03and how many times have they collapsed in the in the playoffs when they're trying to close out or
18:11any time of adversity between him and the jays they need to they need to pick it up if they're
18:16as good as they say they are and i'm i love the celtics but man this was this was pathetic
18:20this weekend
18:21pathetic all right i'm gonna flip that on its head they advance when tatum is out there
18:29and so i understand the criticism that he couldn't play in game seven i think if you think that he
18:34chose like he's like you know what game seven just not for me this close out game just i just
18:40don't have
18:41it today i think it's gonna be a bad look right i mean it's gonna be tough the commentary around
18:45this like i just don't why didn't he play because i think i think that they that he was concerned
18:51about a serious injury risk and i think that that after what he went through over the last year
18:57like i know we're gonna disagree on this curtis and i love it i know a lot of people are
19:02gonna
19:02this is gonna piss them off and they're gonna disagree with me i get it like what you went through
19:08over the last year and how hard you work to come back and sitting there and it's not the finals
19:14guys like i'm sorry but there's a difference between it being game seven of the eastern conference finals
19:18getting back to the finals and the finals and round one like they lost this game in game six i
19:23mean they
19:23lost this series in game six well let me ask you this does it concern you at all because you
19:27know the
19:28team inside and out does it concern you at all when it comes to the future that they were this
19:35playoff series they were a better basketball team when jaylen brown was not on the floor
19:42is that when jay you talk about the plus minus stuff yes yes i think plus minus is like a
19:47super
19:48flawed stat that people jump to and i do it too because sometimes it does demonstrate in like a
19:53short span of time no i think that there are other big i think there are other big issues with
19:59this team
19:59and my big question is in the off season is this going to be a team with the new owner
20:05who looks
20:05and says okay we're pushing that was our gap year everybody we we mocked it and everything but now
20:11we're pushing and we're going to go get a real big well let's see that's part of my starting big
20:15off
20:16season is the direction
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