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00:00:00Hello and welcome. Just taking my morning stroll.
00:00:04You know, one of the joys about the English countryside
00:00:06is you never know who you're going to bump into.
00:00:08Morning, Alan.
00:00:08Morning.
00:00:11It was him, wasn't it?
00:00:13Time to love you weekend.
00:00:30As the leaves turn and the air takes on that familiar crispness
00:00:54and slightly sour tang,
00:00:56what better time to celebrate the joys of the British countryside
00:01:00and with Bonfire Night just around the corner,
00:01:03the landscape seems alive with the crackle of fires,
00:01:06the scent of wood smoke and the sparkle of fireworks
00:01:09lighting up the night sky.
00:01:11And lighting up the show today,
00:01:14from Paddington to Notting Hill to W1A,
00:01:17Hugh Bonneville on saying farewell
00:01:19to the phenomenally successful Downton Abbey.
00:01:22And he's got a new book too.
00:01:23From Treading the Corridors of Power
00:01:26to Trilling the Lawns here at Manor Farms,
00:01:28Sir John Major on Family Passions,
00:01:31Finding a Path to Power,
00:01:33and his love of the music hall.
00:01:35And getting us in the mood for Bonfire Night
00:01:37without needing to light a single sparkler,
00:01:40Jonathan Mosley gets creative with flowers
00:01:42with his fireworks-inspired display.
00:01:44And it's the story that embodies eternal childhood
00:01:48with the boy who wouldn't grow up.
00:01:50Peter Pan, actress Lolita Chakrabarty
00:01:53and the Neverland Adventures
00:01:54with a place in all our hearts.
00:01:57And they're one of the oldest English long-haired sheep breeds.
00:02:01In a first here at Manor Farms,
00:02:02say hello to our new flock of border lesters,
00:02:06known for their adorable rabbit-like ears.
00:02:08First, time to meet today's salubrious line-up,
00:02:17all of whom are making their Manor Farm debut.
00:02:20Sir John Major,
00:02:21Lolita Chakrabarty
00:02:22and Hugh Bonneville.
00:02:24Welcome to you all.
00:02:25First time here,
00:02:25which is very nice.
00:02:27But all three of you,
00:02:29well-connected with the countryside.
00:02:31Hugh, you do live in the countryside now,
00:02:32not too far from here,
00:02:34so you clearly do enjoy living in the countryside.
00:02:35Well, I'm half and half.
00:02:37I sort of grew up in my early years in London
00:02:39and have had the benefit of both parts.
00:02:42And being around here,
00:02:44I absolutely love the South Bounds.
00:02:45It's one of my happy-go-to places
00:02:48and anything between sort of Winchester and Eastbourne
00:02:52at the end of the South Bounds Way,
00:02:53I'm familiar with that part of the landscape.
00:02:55So you walk on?
00:02:56I have been.
00:02:57I do walk occasionally, Alan.
00:03:01But doing the South Bounds Way,
00:03:03I heartily recommend it.
00:03:04It's both beautiful and therapeutic.
00:03:06I mean, John, when you were Prime Minister,
00:03:08every county you must have visited.
00:03:10So you know the land well, presumably.
00:03:14Reasonably well, yeah.
00:03:16But I suppose my principal thought
00:03:18about all that over the years
00:03:19is that, thank God,
00:03:22I was born in a country that has seasons.
00:03:24I can't imagine living in a country that doesn't.
00:03:27I've worked in some,
00:03:28but I think the seasons in this country
00:03:32are something that will always bring me back.
00:03:34Favourite season?
00:03:34Which one?
00:03:35Spring, summer, autumn or winter?
00:03:36Spring or autumn.
00:03:37Yeah.
00:03:38It's a toss-up.
00:03:38Probably spring.
00:03:39Yeah.
00:03:40Renewal.
00:03:41Yes, I mean, it's beautiful.
00:03:43When you see the trees begin to bud
00:03:44and the flowers begin to bud
00:03:45and everything comes to life
00:03:47from being naked,
00:03:50as many of the plants are,
00:03:51and they begin to leaf.
00:03:52It's a wonderful time.
00:03:54Lita, countryside or are you a city girl?
00:03:56I'm totally a city girl,
00:03:57but I really love the countryside.
00:03:59So when I come back to the city,
00:04:00I feel at home.
00:04:01I grew up in Birmingham,
00:04:02so I'm very city.
00:04:03It's in my blood.
00:04:04But when I go to the countryside,
00:04:05I'm like, oh, why don't I live here?
00:04:07I'm a true Gemini.
00:04:09Yeah.
00:04:10Splits personality.
00:04:11Yeah.
00:04:11Looking at you all from your disparate areas,
00:04:14from theatre, from writing,
00:04:17from politics, the whole thing,
00:04:19it strikes me that the people
00:04:21that you three have met over the years,
00:04:23whether they've been members of the public
00:04:25who tell you exactly what they think,
00:04:26John,
00:04:27or fans or great people
00:04:30that you've worked with,
00:04:32actors in particular.
00:04:33I mean, are there things to you
00:04:34that have stayed with you
00:04:35that you've been told by folk
00:04:38that perhaps in a moment
00:04:40that you didn't really expect
00:04:41and suddenly you're aware
00:04:43that that's going to stick with you for life?
00:04:44Actually, yes.
00:04:45One that has occurred to me
00:04:47is my very first day
00:04:49at the National Theatre
00:04:50when I was very, very nervous
00:04:51and holding a spear
00:04:52and understudying
00:04:53and this other actor
00:04:55came up to me
00:04:56at the tea urn
00:04:57as we were both
00:04:58sort of mixing our coffees and teas
00:05:00and it was Celia Imry
00:05:01and she said,
00:05:02this is nerve-wracking, isn't it?
00:05:04I thought, gosh,
00:05:05well, she's pretty well established
00:05:06and if she's nervous,
00:05:07you know, then...
00:05:08And she then,
00:05:09later in the conversation,
00:05:10she said something
00:05:11that her mother had said to her
00:05:13which was,
00:05:13do it now.
00:05:14And I thought nothing of it
00:05:16at the time
00:05:17but on reflection
00:05:18it became a real
00:05:19sort of mantra for me.
00:05:20We're only here once
00:05:21and I lost my brother
00:05:23very suddenly overnight.
00:05:24He died, you know,
00:05:25very unexpectedly
00:05:26and so the next day
00:05:27I went and planted
00:05:28that copper beech
00:05:30that I'd been meaning
00:05:31to plant for ten years
00:05:32and had never got round to.
00:05:34I thought, do it now.
00:05:36Gosh, gosh.
00:05:37Lolita, for you,
00:05:39things that have stuck.
00:05:40So my first play,
00:05:41Red Velvet,
00:05:42was a really hard-earned
00:05:44piece of work
00:05:45and we were lucky enough
00:05:48to transfer it to New York
00:05:49and when we went to New York
00:05:51I invited someone
00:05:52I'd met a few times,
00:05:53James Earl Jones,
00:05:54to come and see
00:05:54the opening night.
00:05:55Oh, what an important one.
00:05:56Oh, what a lovely voice.
00:05:58And the main character...
00:05:59That was a name drop.
00:06:00I'm just going to pick that up.
00:06:01Really well.
00:06:02I'm just going to pick that up.
00:06:03But the main character,
00:06:04in my head,
00:06:05as I'd written Ira Aldridge,
00:06:06elements of him
00:06:07were James Earl Jones.
00:06:09Anyway,
00:06:10he came to see the show
00:06:11and afterwards
00:06:12he said to me,
00:06:13I had no idea.
00:06:14He said,
00:06:15I thought Ira Aldridge
00:06:16was an English actor.
00:06:17I had no idea
00:06:18he was American
00:06:19and that he did all that.
00:06:21I thought,
00:06:21my God,
00:06:22James Earl Jones
00:06:22is saying that to me.
00:06:24I thought,
00:06:24OK, I've done my job.
00:06:25Yeah, I've done your job.
00:06:27In the political arena then,
00:06:28John,
00:06:28I mean,
00:06:29things that you've been said
00:06:30that have stuck with you
00:06:31that you've not forgotten.
00:06:33Gosh, there are so many.
00:06:35Let me offer you one.
00:06:36All right.
00:06:37I was walking in the Kremlin
00:06:39with Boris Yeltsin
00:06:40That's another name,
00:06:41John.
00:06:42I don't think anybody else
00:06:43can sit here
00:06:44and say to me,
00:06:46I was walking in the Kremlin
00:06:47with Boris Yeltsin.
00:06:48Well, I was.
00:06:49I was walking in the Kremlin
00:06:51with Boris Yeltsin
00:06:52and I said to him,
00:06:53tell me, Boris,
00:06:54in one word,
00:06:56what is the state of Russia?
00:06:58He said,
00:06:59good.
00:07:00I was surprised
00:07:01it was falling to pieces
00:07:02at the time.
00:07:03I said,
00:07:03tell me in two words.
00:07:04He said,
00:07:04not good.
00:07:07And I thought,
00:07:08there's more to this man
00:07:10than I thought.
00:07:13You all over the years
00:07:14had,
00:07:14you know,
00:07:15royal connections
00:07:16or connections
00:07:17or done things.
00:07:18You were part of the
00:07:19coronation concert
00:07:20at Windsor Castle.
00:07:22Yeah.
00:07:23Hugh was with someone
00:07:23extraordinarily famous.
00:07:25Here's Hugh
00:07:25in the coronation concert
00:07:26at Windsor.
00:07:27Wait a second.
00:07:30Are you single,
00:07:31your lordship?
00:07:32Well, look,
00:07:33I mean,
00:07:33I'm flattered.
00:07:35Oh,
00:07:35you feel it too.
00:07:37Lady Piggy,
00:07:38it just sounds so right,
00:07:40doesn't it?
00:07:41Does it?
00:07:42Oh, good grief.
00:07:44Just point us
00:07:45to the royal box,
00:07:46Hugh,
00:07:46and we will both
00:07:47be out of your way.
00:07:48Yes, darling.
00:07:50Show him the way.
00:07:51King Charles,
00:07:52he whirls,
00:07:53he is expecting him.
00:07:55Well,
00:07:56are you sitting in
00:07:56the royal box as well?
00:07:58Oh,
00:07:58not anymore.
00:07:59I'll get him to the box,
00:08:01but then I have
00:08:02a wedding to plan
00:08:03for a lord
00:08:05and future lady.
00:08:08Well,
00:08:08I can't wait.
00:08:09So, look,
00:08:09it's up the stairs,
00:08:11chaps in tall,
00:08:12fuzzy hats.
00:08:13They'll show you the way.
00:08:14Thank you so much,
00:08:15Hugh.
00:08:16Let's go,
00:08:16Piggy,
00:08:16come on.
00:08:17Oh,
00:08:18back soon.
00:08:19Don't forget
00:08:20to get a ring.
00:08:22A big one,
00:08:24too.
00:08:24Being flirted with
00:08:27by Miss Piggy.
00:08:28That was a career
00:08:30point,
00:08:31let's put it that way.
00:08:33Yeah,
00:08:34she's not as cool as that
00:08:35in real life.
00:08:35Can you forget about the puppetry
00:08:35and all that's going on?
00:08:37You're going to start
00:08:38telling me she's not real.
00:08:39She'll be furious.
00:08:40She's at home.
00:08:40Sorry, darling.
00:08:41I'll be back soon.
00:08:43Was Paddington
00:08:44more trouble?
00:08:44Yeah,
00:08:47he had different issues
00:08:48for John.
00:08:50Lisa,
00:08:50you got your OBE
00:08:52at Windsor Castle.
00:08:53I did,
00:08:54yeah.
00:08:54It was an amazing day.
00:08:55Amazing day
00:08:56from Princess Anne,
00:08:57yeah,
00:08:57and just with so many
00:08:58extraordinary people,
00:09:00unforgettable experience.
00:09:02It's very special,
00:09:03and John,
00:09:04you particularly,
00:09:04I mean,
00:09:05you know,
00:09:05all those years
00:09:06as Prime Minister
00:09:07and meetings
00:09:08with the Queen
00:09:09and encounters
00:09:10at Buckingham Palace
00:09:11and Balmore
00:09:12and Windsor Castle,
00:09:12a whole lot,
00:09:13all the sort of
00:09:13royal residences
00:09:14you've encountered,
00:09:16presumably.
00:09:17Yes.
00:09:17I remember
00:09:18staying with the Queen
00:09:19in Scotland,
00:09:20getting up
00:09:21very early in the morning
00:09:22because some
00:09:24wretched pipe
00:09:25was piping
00:09:26around the building.
00:09:27You wouldn't have said
00:09:28that when she was alive.
00:09:30Well,
00:09:31not to the Queen,
00:09:31I wouldn't know.
00:09:33And I looked
00:09:34out of the window
00:09:34and there was this
00:09:36lady in her
00:09:37headscarf
00:09:38and a raincoat
00:09:39in rather grotty weather
00:09:41with dogs,
00:09:43corgis,
00:09:44and it was the Queen
00:09:45out very early
00:09:45in the morning
00:09:46walking her corgis.
00:09:47I remember that
00:09:48very plainly.
00:09:49And saying,
00:09:49come in,
00:09:50it's wet.
00:09:51Get yourself in the air.
00:09:52She seemed quite relaxed
00:09:53in the wet.
00:09:54Yeah,
00:09:54I think she is,
00:09:55particularly up in Scotland,
00:09:56which she used to love,
00:09:57really.
00:09:58Much more from
00:09:59Lolita,
00:10:00Sir John and Hugh
00:10:01coming up.
00:10:02Now,
00:10:02tuck into today's offerings
00:10:03with the best china
00:10:05out today
00:10:05and there's some
00:10:07Madeira cake,
00:10:08courtesy of
00:10:08Mrs Patmore,
00:10:09you'd be pleased to know.
00:10:10Oh, very good.
00:10:10Still to come.
00:10:11You thought you'd shed it here,
00:10:12I'm sorry.
00:10:13Still to come.
00:10:14In the latest
00:10:15Weekend With,
00:10:16we join the punk icon
00:10:17singer Toya,
00:10:19welcomes us to her home
00:10:20and reveals her passion
00:10:21for living life
00:10:22on the river
00:10:22and long upright ears
00:10:25and elegant arched
00:10:26Roman nose
00:10:27and his sheep
00:10:28aren't too shabby either.
00:10:29Tom Davies presents
00:10:30his Border Leicesters,
00:10:32a first for Manor Farm.
00:10:34I'll be back with Tom
00:10:35and his stately sheep
00:10:36right after this.
00:10:38Slice of Madeira,
00:10:39anyone?
00:10:40Did you say yes,
00:10:41Prime Minister?
00:10:42Oh,
00:10:43I've always wanted to say that.
00:10:44In the other gardens
00:11:00and all up in the vale
00:11:02from the autumn bonfires
00:11:04see the smoke trail.
00:11:06Pleasant summer over
00:11:07and all the summer flowers.
00:11:10The red fire blazes,
00:11:12the grey smoke towers.
00:11:14Lovely words
00:11:15by Robert Louis Stevenson
00:11:17and timely
00:11:17with Bonfire Night
00:11:18just around the corner.
00:11:20Before the fireworks
00:11:21with our own
00:11:22sparkling line-up.
00:11:23Coming up,
00:11:24the only thing exploding
00:11:25is his creativity.
00:11:27Florist Jonathan Mosley
00:11:28reveals his
00:11:29firework-inspired
00:11:30floral arrangements
00:11:31to light up
00:11:32the inside of your home
00:11:33this bonfire night.
00:11:35And clandestine affairs,
00:11:37family secrets,
00:11:38social ambition,
00:11:39joyous young love
00:11:40and dark doings
00:11:42of the scheming
00:11:42and the scurrilous.
00:11:44Hugh Bonneville
00:11:44on the worldwide success
00:11:46of Downton Abbey
00:11:47and his own success
00:11:48as a children's author.
00:11:51But first,
00:11:51recognised for their
00:11:52characteristic Roman noses,
00:11:54prominent upright ears
00:11:56and superior fleece,
00:11:59Border Leicester sheep
00:12:00are one of our
00:12:01most distinguished breeds.
00:12:02As the largest
00:12:03indigenous sheep
00:12:04in the British Isles,
00:12:05the Border Leicester
00:12:06is highly regarded
00:12:08for its dual-purpose qualities
00:12:09offering both
00:12:10rapidly maturing
00:12:11high-quality meat
00:12:12and exceptional wool.
00:12:14Here to learn more
00:12:15about this rare
00:12:16and versatile breed,
00:12:17welcome Cassandra
00:12:19and Jumbo
00:12:20with our resident farmer,
00:12:22Tom Davies.
00:12:23We should talk about
00:12:24the colour first of all,
00:12:25Tom.
00:12:25So we've got Cassandra here
00:12:26who's what you might call
00:12:27normal sheep colour.
00:12:28What's with Jumbo
00:12:29and his tint?
00:12:31So this is called
00:12:31bloom dipping
00:12:32and there are a few breeds
00:12:33of sheep in the UK
00:12:34where, you know,
00:12:35for showing and sale purposes
00:12:37they're bloom dipped
00:12:38and you can get a range
00:12:39of different colours
00:12:40and in some of the days
00:12:41gone by
00:12:42it would have been
00:12:43maybe peaty soil
00:12:44or even like a more natural
00:12:46sort of grey colour
00:12:47that would have
00:12:48covered the fleece
00:12:50and what it does
00:12:51is it just makes
00:12:52those white legs
00:12:53and that very iconic face
00:12:55of the Border Leicester
00:12:56pop out that little bit more
00:12:57and because Jumbo
00:13:00is a recent addition
00:13:02to the flock
00:13:03at Mud Chute
00:13:04that's why he's
00:13:05in his show clothes.
00:13:08In his show attire
00:13:09and they originated
00:13:11where?
00:13:11In Leicester?
00:13:12Well, Northumberland
00:13:13the sort of border
00:13:14counties
00:13:15is said to have been
00:13:16created around
00:13:17in the sort of 1700s
00:13:19mid to late 1700s there
00:13:20and as with
00:13:22all breeds of sheep
00:13:23if we go back
00:13:24to their sort of origins
00:13:25they will have changed
00:13:26dramatically
00:13:27since that sort of
00:13:29initiation.
00:13:29A lot of hybridisation
00:13:30between different breeds.
00:13:31Yeah.
00:13:31And the ears
00:13:32are so distinctive
00:13:33aren't they?
00:13:33I mean they're like hairs
00:13:34they're so long.
00:13:36They are
00:13:36and it's one of the things
00:13:37that makes the breed
00:13:38stand out
00:13:39once you see
00:13:40a Border Leicester
00:13:41you will never forget it.
00:13:42So the life cycle
00:13:43of them then
00:13:44is when
00:13:45when is the ram
00:13:46put to the sheep?
00:13:47So the ram goes to
00:13:48the old sort of
00:13:49wives' tale
00:13:49or farmer's tale
00:13:50is you put the ram
00:13:51in on bonfire night
00:13:52and you'll have lambs
00:13:53on April Fool's Day
00:13:54so that's generally
00:13:56the cycle
00:13:56but with breeds
00:13:58like this
00:13:58if we're wanting
00:13:59early lammers
00:14:00early lambs
00:14:01for some of the shows
00:14:02you'd be lambing
00:14:03anywhere between
00:14:04sort of December
00:14:05or January
00:14:06right the way through
00:14:07to sort of
00:14:08you wouldn't want them
00:14:08any later than
00:14:09the beginning of March
00:14:10really.
00:14:10But also if you're
00:14:11in a colder part
00:14:12of the country
00:14:12you wouldn't want them
00:14:13too early would you?
00:14:14No.
00:14:14Are these sheep
00:14:15which tend to be
00:14:16more lowland?
00:14:17Well they are used
00:14:19up in sort of
00:14:20higher country
00:14:21for producing
00:14:22crossbred sheep
00:14:23this fantastic
00:14:24white face
00:14:24these big framey
00:14:25bodies
00:14:26they'll produce
00:14:26what's called
00:14:27a mule ewe
00:14:28you know
00:14:28a big framed
00:14:29female crossbred sheep
00:14:31that will be able
00:14:32to milk well
00:14:33and carry big lambs
00:14:34inside that big
00:14:35deep frame
00:14:36you know
00:14:37so they will need
00:14:38a bit of looking
00:14:39after
00:14:39you know
00:14:40and you'll need
00:14:41to potentially
00:14:42if you're lambing
00:14:43early
00:14:43you will need to
00:14:44lamb them inside
00:14:45as opposed to
00:14:45outside
00:14:46but later on
00:14:47in the country
00:14:48especially up north
00:14:49more
00:14:49you'd be sort of
00:14:50lambing around
00:14:51about sort of
00:14:51April time
00:14:52if they're outside
00:14:53Now looking at you
00:14:54saying he's new
00:14:55to the flock
00:14:56as it were
00:14:56it's very important
00:14:57obviously
00:14:58whatever your flock
00:14:59wherever you are
00:14:59whatever the breed is
00:15:00is to keep new
00:15:01blood coming in
00:15:03and is that something
00:15:04you know
00:15:04you're constantly doing
00:15:05is introducing
00:15:06new stock
00:15:07with a different line
00:15:08obviously still
00:15:08the same breed
00:15:09but from a different
00:15:11branch
00:15:11just to keep
00:15:12the hybrid vigour
00:15:13going then
00:15:14really
00:15:14Yes
00:15:14so these are
00:15:16one of the more
00:15:16recent additions
00:15:17to the Rare Breed
00:15:18Survival Trust
00:15:19watch list
00:15:19over the last
00:15:20few years
00:15:20and since they've
00:15:22come onto the list
00:15:23there seems to have
00:15:23been an increase
00:15:24in keepers
00:15:25which is fantastic
00:15:26you know
00:15:27but you always
00:15:28want to keep
00:15:28that genetic diversity
00:15:29as wide
00:15:30as possible
00:15:31and you know
00:15:32you need to look
00:15:33for what you want
00:15:34your rams
00:15:35and your females
00:15:36to do
00:15:36and always looking
00:15:37at the next generation
00:15:38what you're improving
00:15:39so with
00:15:40the purchase
00:15:41of Jumbo
00:15:42there
00:15:43we're looking
00:15:43at improving
00:15:44the size
00:15:44and the length
00:15:45in the borders
00:15:46that we produce
00:15:47you know
00:15:48and having that
00:15:48presence
00:15:49and that power
00:15:49and the flock
00:15:50that he comes from
00:15:51is a prize winning
00:15:52flock
00:15:52you know
00:15:53wins up and down
00:15:54the country
00:15:54at a lot of the
00:15:55big major shows
00:15:56so he's a fantastic
00:15:57new addition
00:15:57and his life
00:15:58and his life as a ram
00:15:59will be
00:15:59how long
00:16:00serving
00:16:00well for us
00:16:01I mean
00:16:01unfortunately for him
00:16:02we've only got
00:16:02three years
00:16:03this time
00:16:04but you know
00:16:04who knows
00:16:05we may expand
00:16:06that in the future
00:16:07and also as well
00:16:08you know
00:16:09he may go out
00:16:09to a few other places
00:16:11on a working holiday
00:16:12and hopefully
00:16:14leave the ladies
00:16:14that he goes
00:16:15and sees
00:16:15with more than
00:16:16just happy memories
00:16:16Jumbo
00:16:17a lot's resting
00:16:18on you
00:16:19for Mud Chute
00:16:19you know what to do
00:16:21go out and do it
00:16:23go on
00:16:24enjoy yourself
00:16:25we have a lot about wool
00:16:26and about how difficult
00:16:27it is now
00:16:28to get a good price
00:16:29for wool
00:16:29but this is quality wool
00:16:30presumably they do
00:16:31better than most
00:16:32yes they will
00:16:33and what you would
00:16:34want to do
00:16:34is leave it
00:16:35until that length
00:16:36has grown
00:16:37full staple length
00:16:38and you shear it off
00:16:39incredibly carefully
00:16:40and that lovely fleece
00:16:41with beautiful crimp
00:16:43right the way down it
00:16:44is a more premium price
00:16:46the long wool breeds
00:16:46of sheep in the UK
00:16:47are the ones
00:16:48that you get
00:16:48a premium price for
00:16:49right well we wish
00:16:50you luck with them
00:16:50Jumbo we hope
00:16:51you'll do well
00:16:52for Tom
00:16:52you know
00:16:53he's chosen you
00:16:54so just do right
00:16:55by him
00:16:56all right
00:16:56still to come
00:16:57the cricket loving
00:16:58politician
00:16:59who became
00:17:00Prime Minister
00:17:00Sir John Major
00:17:01on his dowering
00:17:03street years
00:17:03and his life
00:17:04after politics
00:17:05and from the
00:17:06bill to Broadway
00:17:07Lolita Chakrabarti
00:17:08on the runaway
00:17:09success that won
00:17:10five Olivier's
00:17:11and three Tony Awards
00:17:13I'll see you with
00:17:14the multi-talented
00:17:15Lolita
00:17:16and more
00:17:16right after this
00:17:17welcome back
00:17:31to Love Your Weekend
00:17:32still ahead
00:17:33as the late
00:17:34great Noel Cowan
00:17:35famously said
00:17:36a perfect martini
00:17:37could be made
00:17:38by filling a glass
00:17:39with gin
00:17:39and waving it
00:17:40in the general
00:17:41direction of Italy
00:17:42well he may not
00:17:43be waving
00:17:44in the general
00:17:45direction of Italy
00:17:45but he does
00:17:46know how to
00:17:46fill the glass
00:17:47Tom Sergi
00:17:48is Master of Ceremonies
00:17:49in today's
00:17:50Best of British
00:17:51and it's a
00:17:52martini special
00:17:53can't wait
00:17:54and buckle up
00:17:55for the adventure
00:17:56of a lifetime
00:17:57Hugh Bonneville
00:17:58and his hilarious
00:17:59debut children's novel
00:18:00inspired by his
00:18:01own childhood
00:18:02but first
00:18:03West End
00:18:04and Broadway success
00:18:05is never a given
00:18:07but when it does
00:18:08come
00:18:08it's a reflection
00:18:10of a show
00:18:10that's like a magnet
00:18:11to audiences
00:18:12which brings me
00:18:13to my next guest
00:18:14whose stage adaptation
00:18:16of Jan Martel's
00:18:17Life of Pi
00:18:18was nothing short
00:18:19of a masterpiece
00:18:20with its innovative
00:18:21storytelling
00:18:22that had audiences
00:18:23gripped from the word
00:18:25go
00:18:25I will tell you
00:18:27everything
00:18:28because my story
00:18:31will make you
00:18:33believe in God
00:18:34I lived in
00:18:37Pondicherry's
00:18:38botanical gardens
00:18:39it was a huge zoo
00:18:41spread over
00:18:42acres and acres
00:18:43and now it's so small
00:18:45it fits in my head
00:18:48why are you looking
00:18:58at me like that
00:18:59is it me next
00:19:00is that what you think
00:19:01you scare me
00:19:11but when I'm with you
00:19:13I feel better
00:19:15welcome to writer
00:19:17and actress
00:19:18Lolita Chakrabarti
00:19:19who did the screenplay
00:19:20the stage
00:19:21the dialogue
00:19:23the play
00:19:24from the book
00:19:25Life of Pi
00:19:26do you know
00:19:26as a reader
00:19:28so often
00:19:29when you see
00:19:29adaptations
00:19:30or whatever
00:19:30they're good
00:19:31but the colour
00:19:32isn't quite like
00:19:33it was in your imagination
00:19:34but oh my goodness
00:19:35it most certainly
00:19:36was with that
00:19:37but the pressure
00:19:38Lolita
00:19:39of taking that book
00:19:40which was prized
00:19:41by so many
00:19:42book a winner
00:19:43ok Lolita
00:19:44here you are
00:19:45we'd like you to
00:19:45turn this into a stage play
00:19:47hey there must have been
00:19:48the thrill of it
00:19:49but be closely
00:19:50following on its heels
00:19:51I suspect it was
00:19:51oh my goodness
00:19:52I mustn't break this
00:19:53is that what it was like
00:19:55it was exactly like that
00:19:56I'd loved the novel
00:19:56when it first came out
00:19:57in 2002
00:19:58and so 15 years later
00:19:59when I was asked
00:20:00to write the play
00:20:02I thought yeah
00:20:03I loved it
00:20:03great
00:20:04so I just worked at it
00:20:05and it wasn't until
00:20:06about two years later
00:20:07when we had the first preview
00:20:08in Sheffield
00:20:09at the Crucible
00:20:10we were about to open
00:20:12in front of our first audience
00:20:13I thought
00:20:13what was I thinking
00:20:15I don't know
00:20:16what this is
00:20:17and I don't know
00:20:18you know
00:20:18this is a loved book
00:20:20read by 15 million
00:20:21plus people
00:20:22and a film
00:20:22that won so many prizes
00:20:24but actually
00:20:25it turned out alright
00:20:26it's a bit like
00:20:27Alec Guinness
00:20:27in Bridge on the River Kwai
00:20:29when he says
00:20:29what have I done
00:20:31what have I done
00:20:31about to stop the bridge
00:20:33being blown up
00:20:34that moment of realisation
00:20:35but you must have been
00:20:36thrilled at the reaction
00:20:37oh so thrilled
00:20:38and so proud
00:20:39because on that first show
00:20:41watching it with an audience
00:20:42is a totally different experience
00:20:44to just doing it on your own
00:20:45so when we would watch it
00:20:47together with no one
00:20:47in the audience
00:20:48you're thinking
00:20:48oh that doesn't work
00:20:49this doesn't work
00:20:50we need to change that
00:20:51and then the audience
00:20:52comes in
00:20:53and it just
00:20:53it changes it
00:20:55it becomes electric
00:20:56in the room
00:20:56and everybody's work
00:20:58in the piece
00:20:59all the different creatives
00:21:00the cast
00:21:01everybody
00:21:01just put their top game
00:21:03into the place
00:21:04and now we have great
00:21:06I'm so reluctant
00:21:07to call them puppeteers
00:21:08because it's not
00:21:08even close to what they do
00:21:10having seen them in War Horse
00:21:12I think if you describe to somebody
00:21:14you know
00:21:14who'd come through the age
00:21:15of Muffin the Mule
00:21:16and Bill and Ben
00:21:17and marionettes like that
00:21:19that one day puppets
00:21:20could actually take your breath away
00:21:22you wouldn't believe it
00:21:24but with War Horse
00:21:25and with this
00:21:25it's so emotional
00:21:27watching the way they operate
00:21:28you really don't see the people
00:21:30who are operating them
00:21:31something happens
00:21:32they breathe together
00:21:33and watching how they learned
00:21:36to be the different animals
00:21:37is a skill in itself
00:21:39and you're right
00:21:40they're actor puppeteers
00:21:41they're performers
00:21:42they're collaborators
00:21:43it's really emotional
00:21:45and I think puppetry
00:21:46as you say
00:21:47from Muffin the Mule
00:21:48has just sort of graduated
00:21:49into this place
00:21:50that they can make
00:21:51the impossible happen
00:21:52on stage
00:21:53I remember being allowed
00:21:55to ride War Horse
00:21:56Joey
00:21:57actually sitting on it
00:21:58but it moves like a horse
00:22:00the confirmation was right
00:22:01it doesn't just look like a horse
00:22:03it feels like a horse
00:22:04when you're actually sitting on it
00:22:05yeah absolutely
00:22:06to come from acting
00:22:08you know
00:22:08trained at RADA
00:22:09to come from that
00:22:10and then into riding
00:22:12is a journey a path
00:22:13a lot of actors take
00:22:15because there's often
00:22:16a lot of down time
00:22:17between acting
00:22:18but to achieve the success
00:22:19you've achieved
00:22:20has been quite remarkable
00:22:22and now you're keeping
00:22:23the acting going
00:22:24because at the moment
00:22:25you're in Wendy and Peter Pan
00:22:26for the RSC
00:22:27I am
00:22:28tell us about that
00:22:29so this is a production
00:22:30that was done 10 years ago
00:22:31at the RSC
00:22:32and has since had
00:22:33great revivals
00:22:34in Leeds and in Japan
00:22:35but it's never come home
00:22:37to London
00:22:38because J.M. Barry's story
00:22:39is obviously a London story
00:22:41it's a spectacular piece
00:22:43I mean I'm coming in
00:22:45for the first time
00:22:45playing Mrs. Darling
00:22:47and Ella Hickson
00:22:48has done the version
00:22:48the adaptation
00:22:49and it's so clever
00:22:51because it's really
00:22:51very truthful
00:22:52and loyal to the original work
00:22:54but it has a spin on it
00:22:56that is just about now
00:22:58and introduces the environment
00:23:01of 1910
00:23:02you know suffragettes
00:23:03and political situation
00:23:05in the background
00:23:06of London at the time
00:23:07that's all kind of
00:23:08it's not part of the story
00:23:09but it's there
00:23:09and the focus is on Wendy
00:23:12so Wendy is definitely
00:23:13part of Peter's story
00:23:14but in this
00:23:15it's Wendy's story
00:23:17and Ella has introduced
00:23:18something that makes sense
00:23:20for me for the story
00:23:21really
00:23:22there's a loss
00:23:23there's a family loss
00:23:24in the Darling house
00:23:25and that is what
00:23:26creates the need
00:23:28for Peter to come
00:23:29and for Wendy to go
00:23:31oh it's a charm
00:23:32I remember seeing it
00:23:33many many many years ago
00:23:35at the Leeds Grand
00:23:37the original Peter Pan
00:23:38with Alistair Sim
00:23:39as Captain Hook
00:23:40and Julia Lockwood
00:23:41as Peter Pan
00:23:42but your Captain Hook
00:23:43and Mr. Darling
00:23:44two parts played by the same person
00:23:46you've got Toby Stephens
00:23:48we have
00:23:48he's not bad is he
00:23:49oh he's not half bad
00:23:50he's amazing
00:23:51and he's brilliant
00:23:53in both the roles
00:23:54and it's going to be exhausting
00:23:56I mean he's going to be
00:23:57I mean he's fit anyway
00:23:58but he's going to be fit
00:23:59at the end of this
00:24:00it is constant changes
00:24:01and coming on and off
00:24:03and it's delightful
00:24:04it's really funny
00:24:05you were born in this country
00:24:06you were born in Birmingham
00:24:08your sister is Rita
00:24:09Rita Chakrabarti
00:24:10and we know from the news
00:24:12yeah
00:24:12you then were taken
00:24:14by your parents
00:24:14back to India
00:24:16for a while
00:24:16did they want to go
00:24:17back to
00:24:18yeah my parents
00:24:19are from Kolkata
00:24:21and they always wanted
00:24:22to emigrate back
00:24:23they never meant to stay here
00:24:24so we emigrated back
00:24:26when I was three
00:24:27for three months
00:24:27and then we did it
00:24:28when I was ten
00:24:29for 18 months
00:24:31so that's the bit
00:24:31that I lived in Kolkata
00:24:32yeah which was
00:24:33life changing really
00:24:34and then we came back
00:24:35for educational reasons
00:24:36and then they left
00:24:38when I was 19 again
00:24:39from your own point of view
00:24:40the acting
00:24:41we know we've seen you
00:24:42in the bill
00:24:43we've seen you
00:24:43in lots of different things
00:24:45particularly on television
00:24:46and on stage
00:24:48but as well as
00:24:49adapting Life of Pi
00:24:50you also wrote
00:24:51your own play
00:24:51you wrote Red Velvet
00:24:52I did yeah
00:24:53your first play
00:24:54and a huge success
00:24:56and award winning
00:24:57okay so the nerves
00:24:58in terms of doing
00:24:59Life of Pi
00:25:00were sort of there
00:25:02the nerves in doing
00:25:03your own play
00:25:03you were responsible
00:25:04for everything
00:25:04must have been
00:25:05even higher
00:25:05weren't they
00:25:06it was although it was a very
00:25:08slow burn success
00:25:09so it took me a really long time
00:25:11to get that production together
00:25:12a because it's based on a historical
00:25:15a real person
00:25:16so it took me 15 years of research
00:25:18to find out who Ira Aldridge was
00:25:20and then it took about seven years
00:25:22to actually get the play on
00:25:23so by the time I got it on
00:25:24I was a bit tired
00:25:25I was like oh god it's on
00:25:27thank goodness
00:25:28it's on
00:25:28get it done
00:25:29yeah get it done
00:25:30so when it was successful
00:25:32I was really surprised
00:25:34really surprised
00:25:35but thrilled
00:25:36because I'd had
00:25:37with a real character
00:25:38you feel
00:25:39well with this one particularly
00:25:41I felt very responsible
00:25:42for him
00:25:43yeah
00:25:43yeah
00:25:44how was he received
00:25:46in truth
00:25:48originally in truth
00:25:49originally he came over to England
00:25:50in 1824
00:25:51and he played Othello
00:25:53at the Theatre Royal Covent Garden
00:25:54in 1833
00:25:55which was a huge deal
00:25:56it's like playing the National Theatre
00:25:57the main actor at the National Theatre
00:25:59and although he was very well received
00:26:01in the provinces in Britain
00:26:02and he was really well received abroad
00:26:05he went to Russia
00:26:05Poland
00:26:06Sweden
00:26:06France
00:26:07he toured internationally
00:26:08and was the highest paid actor ever
00:26:10in Russia at the time
00:26:12at the Bolshoi
00:26:13but in London
00:26:14we were voting about
00:26:17colonial rights
00:26:19and so the reviews were pretty racist
00:26:22and so he didn't play London again
00:26:24gosh
00:26:24so it was mixed
00:26:25well you kind of did right by him
00:26:27in the end
00:26:27didn't you
00:26:28yeah he came back to the London stage
00:26:30yeah he came back to the London stage
00:26:31congratulations on what you've given us so far
00:26:33thank you
00:26:33keep doing it
00:26:34I mean it's just fascinating
00:26:35what you've achieved
00:26:36and you've been
00:26:36you know I hope
00:26:37artistically well rewarded for it
00:26:39thank you very much
00:26:40thank you very much indeed
00:26:41time now for us to take a moment
00:26:43to enjoy all the extraordinary images
00:26:45that you've been capturing
00:26:47right across Britain
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00:40:13Es just, I love this tree.
00:40:16I come and give it a hug from time to time.
00:40:18Do you?
00:40:18Yes, I do.
00:40:19I just climb it.
00:40:20I might be too old to do that now.
00:40:23No, you're not.
00:40:24There you go.
00:40:31My wife's inner child continues to rock.
00:40:33And if I don't feel like a child, I just go in the river and then I feel very young.
00:40:40I don't want to go to school.
00:40:46When my little Abby is on the boat, she is in charge and she is completely free in her own
00:40:54world, the world which she's known since her childhood.
00:40:57When I was a child, I used to volunteer with my parents to run the locks on every Sunday.
00:41:06And I used to go to an old mill and break in and I would play underneath in the water.
00:41:12I now own that mill.
00:41:14This is my life.
00:41:16Working the land, working in water.
00:41:19This is the highest flood level I have ever seen.
00:41:26I think we're going to be okay.
00:41:30So at the height of my success in the 1980s, you'd find me on a caravan here.
00:41:36Or on a boat, just hiding.
00:41:38And no one would give the game away and I could have a normal life here.
00:41:43I mean, I love my audience.
00:41:44I love my music.
00:41:46And I love the fact that here I am at 67 and I'm still touring.
00:41:50That's fantastic.
00:41:52But I would do anything to get back every single night.
00:42:05Thanks, Toya and Robert.
00:42:06It's great to see their passion for protecting our precious waterways.
00:42:10Coming up, Martinis and Hugh Bonneville.
00:42:14Well, it doesn't go much better than that, does it?
00:42:16And it's been claimed he was one of the late Queen's favourites.
00:42:20Sir John Major, on his warm relationship with Queen Elizabeth.
00:42:23His life at number 10 and his passions away from politics.
00:42:28I'll see you with Sir John right after the break.
00:42:30Welcome back.
00:42:45Coming up, the Earl himself, Hugh Bonneville, on saying farewell to everyone's favourite sumptuous period drama.
00:42:52And a drink that I think the Earl of Grantham would approve of.
00:42:55Tom Surge is turning up the style stakes in today's Best in British as martinis are on the menu.
00:43:01The ultimate in sophisticated indulgence.
00:43:04My next guest is one of Britain's best-known politicians, serving as Prime Minister from 1990 to 1997.
00:43:11Recognised for his commitment to public service and the instrumental role he played in advancing peace in Northern Ireland.
00:43:19He also secured a record number of votes for the Conservatives to win the 1992 general election.
00:43:27A moment when the typically reserved man shared the emotion of his greatest triumph with the British public.
00:43:34After 16 months on an uncertain lease, Mr Major is already a different man.
00:43:40Downing Street is now, he says, home.
00:43:42Thank you very much indeed. I've only got one thing to say. It's nice to be back.
00:43:47The boost to his confidence was obvious as he strode into Downing Street,
00:43:51a street which is normally closed to the general public,
00:43:53but which today was opened up to let supporters and well-wishers come and say hello.
00:43:58Someone called for three cheers.
00:43:59To John Major, the fact that he's now been chosen by the people, albeit a minority of the electorate,
00:44:09rather than by the secret committee room votes of his fellow MPs, is important.
00:44:13I can now accept that the country have elected me in my own right to be Prime Minister.
00:44:19I'm immensely proud of that.
00:44:21I shall try and ensure that I reach the aspirations of people and that I let no one down.
00:44:27That is, I'm delighted to have it.
00:44:29John, you must recall the feeling at that time of, you know, walking up Downing Street
00:44:35and knowing that you live there in a way legitimately, you know, more legitimately.
00:44:39And looking now at what happens in politics,
00:44:43nobody more than you knows the ups and downs of politics
00:44:47and the feelings of those in that seat of power.
00:44:50You must look at it now, reflecting on those times alongside the times of today.
00:44:56Well, my principal reflection looking at that bit of film was, was I really that young once?
00:45:02It was a very long time ago now, of course.
00:45:04It's over 30 years ago.
00:45:061992.
00:45:06But you do.
00:45:07Politics is a rollercoaster.
00:45:09There are some very good times and there are some very bad times
00:45:12and there's quite a lot of times in between that could go either way.
00:45:15But that's the nature of the game.
00:45:16You can't complain about it.
00:45:18It's what you choose to enter.
00:45:20When you were young, did you have aspirations from a really early age to be in government?
00:45:24I did. I did.
00:45:26I can tell you exactly from when.
00:45:28From the age of 13.
00:45:30I'd been to the House of Commons, a seat, tickets given to me by a local Labour MP, actually, Marcus Lipton.
00:45:38But I went to the House of Commons and when I walked into the house for the first time,
00:45:42the atmosphere gripped me.
00:45:45I was interested in history.
00:45:47It was one of the few things at school that I actually worked at.
00:45:51And I knew a lot about the history of the Commons, but suddenly it just reaches out and envelops you.
00:45:58Or it did me.
00:45:59And I thought, this is where I wish to spend my life.
00:46:02You left school at 16.
00:46:04Your father, famously, a musical artist and told brilliantly in your book, My Old Man, said Follower the Van, all about your dad.
00:46:15And growing up, you grew up in a household, very working class, but as you always said, comfortable, but, you know, but working.
00:46:23And so you were in this milieu of real life, you know, in Brixton, growing up there as well.
00:46:30So, you know, although you became a Tory prime minister, your upbringing was very much in and among proper working class people.
00:46:37What swayed you to go Tory rather than Labour, which must have been most of the people around you?
00:46:43Well, that's quite complex, but at its most basic.
00:46:47I looked at the two, I think instinctively I was conservative, not extreme conservative, but moderate conservative.
00:46:56But when I looked at the political parties, I thought the one that is most concerned with aspiration,
00:47:02that opens doors for you to move from where you are to where you wish to be, seemed to be the conservative party.
00:47:08And I was dazzled by some of the politicians in the 50s, notably one man, Ian MacLeod.
00:47:13So is it, do you think, harder today to be a politician?
00:47:17I think it is harder. And it's mainly the advent of social media and 24-hour-a-day media.
00:47:24Those two things together have made life much more difficult for politicians.
00:47:29They're expected to have the answer to something complex that's just happened immediately.
00:47:33And, of course, being forced to answer immediately, they answer casually and imperfectly.
00:47:38They really need some time to think.
00:47:41And they should be thinking forward, not back.
00:47:45Forward, not how do I repay the last hostile speech against me with a hostile speech against the person who made it.
00:47:52That's not politics.
00:47:54We need a kinder, gentler form of politics if we're really going to improve the status of the House of Commons
00:48:01and the public's view of politics.
00:48:03It does not help that politics is often, to such a very high extent, the subject of negative publicity.
00:48:12Some of it is deserved.
00:48:14Certainly, on many occasions, I think the hostility of the public and the media has been well deserved.
00:48:20But not always.
00:48:21What strikes me looking back is that the degree of agreement between the parties is much greater than you would possibly know.
00:48:30The disagreement is not, we want more people to be well housed, we want a better health service, we want our defence to be more secure.
00:48:37Every party would agree with that.
00:48:39The difference is on how you achieve it.
00:48:42And that's a point.
00:48:43That's why I think there are occasions where a coalition is a good idea.
00:48:48When a country is in particular trouble, it's not a bad idea if the main parties, well, you could put it this way, all have a finger in the blood.
00:48:57But if there's difficult things to be done, it's worth listening.
00:49:01There's often a case where you can look at your opponents, you may not agree with everything they say,
00:49:06but part of what they say will be justified and part of it will be right.
00:49:11That's why we mustn't move to the extremes of the far right or the far left, because they are cut off from the mainstream.
00:49:20And once you're cut off from the mainstream, you get a very angry and aggrieved nation.
00:49:26And we are at this moment...
00:49:28Angry and aggrieved.
00:49:28Angry and aggrieved as a nation.
00:49:30There is that famous...
00:49:31And we need to change that.
00:49:32Famous saying that says, all political careers end in failure.
00:49:36You must look back with great pleasure and pride on the Northern Ireland Agreement and the creation of the National Lottery.
00:49:42Two great achievements, though.
00:49:43You must be really pleased about those two.
00:49:44Well, the lottery figure is now over 50 billion.
00:49:46Gosh.
00:49:47And that isn't prizes to prize winners.
00:49:49That's separate.
00:49:50Yeah.
00:49:50This is to good causes.
00:49:54And it hasn't all gone to great big causes like opera houses and millennium stadiums.
00:49:59The vast bulk of the money has gone in relatively small amounts to villages in every part of our country.
00:50:05And Northern Ireland was such a long-running thing.
00:50:08It must have seemed at the time completely insoluble.
00:50:12It did look like it, but I didn't believe it was insoluble.
00:50:16And neither did Albert Reynolds, whom I came to know very well, who was by then the Taoiseach in the Republic of Ireland.
00:50:24And I remember how we began it.
00:50:27He came over for a visit and we talked about the problems of Northern Ireland.
00:50:32And I remember saying to him very clearly, if this violence had been going on in any county in England, we would not have tolerated it.
00:50:40We shouldn't tolerate it in Northern Ireland.
00:50:42And he agreed.
00:50:43And we decided we would have a go at starting a peace process, which we did.
00:50:49We continued for a couple of years till Albert lost his position as Taoiseach and then with his successor.
00:50:55And we were within stretching distance.
00:50:57We weren't there with the peace agreement, but we got a very long way towards it.
00:51:01And then I rather think the IRA stopped negotiating about 1996 because the hostility they had to the Conservative Party because of things like the hunger strikes and Bobby Sands was visceral.
00:51:17And I don't think, I don't think they wanted to proceed.
00:51:21They thought that Labour would win the next election and in that, of course, they were quite right.
00:51:26And I think they thought they would get a, would be more and more agreeable for their volunteers if they reached an agreement with the Labour Party.
00:51:34And, of course, the Labour Party, Tony Blair and his colleagues, picked up where we were and settled an agreement, which has utterly changed the face.
00:51:45Occasionally there are problems and a little bit of violence moves.
00:51:48But, by and large, Northern Ireland is a different place from anything anyone imagined in the early 90s.
00:51:55During your time as PM, you had the weekly audience with Majesty the Queen.
00:52:01We've got some footage here of you at Balmoral and a remarkable lady.
00:52:05And we'll talk about your relationship with her.
00:52:08The feeling in Moscow in the period I was there was just astonishing.
00:52:12It was actually like living with history.
00:52:15One was in the middle of a meeting and somebody burst into a room and said,
00:52:19I've just finished talking to Gorbachev or Yeltsin or Solayev and this is what they're going to do.
00:52:25I mean, certainly here one can't take it in, but there it must be even more traumatic, mustn't it?
00:52:30Well, it was absolutely amazing.
00:52:32I laid a wreath near the Kremlin at the site where the three demonstrators were crushed and killed.
00:52:40And there were huge crowds there.
00:52:41And I had the opportunity of stopping to talk to some of them.
00:52:44Not too many of them spoke English.
00:52:46I found one man who spoke beautiful English.
00:52:49And I asked him how he felt.
00:52:50And he said he was extremely interested, but he came from Woking.
00:52:56It's the sort of thing that happens to me when I talk in a crowd.
00:52:59You see, that's so rare to see these meetings, which are never talked about.
00:53:05You keep your counsel as indeed you should.
00:53:09But wonderful to see that relaxed atmosphere between you and the late Queen and the wisdom that she has there,
00:53:17which, in terms of sovereigns and now the king, of course, he's been involved since he was in his teens of seeing things come along.
00:53:25Such a useful thing.
00:53:26I should think a bit of a safety valve for a prime minister, isn't it, to have the one person who knows how difficult it is up here somewhere.
00:53:33Well, the monarch is the one person the prime minister can absolutely talk to in perfect confidence.
00:53:40I don't propose to talk about what the Queen and I talked about.
00:53:42I'll say two things about it.
00:53:44Firstly, my meetings were expected to last three quarters of an hour every week.
00:53:48They were rarely under an hour.
00:53:50I think we averaged about an hour and a quarter.
00:53:53Secondly, they were fun.
00:53:54It wasn't just grisly business about this or that particular topic.
00:54:00There was a lot of gossip.
00:54:01There was a lot of looking forward, not to what had happened, what was going right or going wrong,
00:54:06but what we thought might happen in the future.
00:54:08And it was a lot about people.
00:54:10All of those were there.
00:54:11And the only audience were the corgis, invariably there, invariably sitting in a sort of semicircle,
00:54:19unbugged, fortunately, or all our secrets would be out.
00:54:22But it was a part of the week that I looked forward to.
00:54:27She has, you would be surprised, I think, to know how much she knew and understood
00:54:34about how people lived in all levels of income.
00:54:40She knew not only reading the red boxes and knew what was going on in terms of politics and diplomacy,
00:54:47but in terms of the problems that people faced and how they lived.
00:54:50And the king is the same.
00:54:54I haven't had these discussions with the king, but I do think he's gone off to a fabulous style.
00:54:59You have become, like it or not, an elder statesman, if not the elder statesman of the UK.
00:55:06Oldest.
00:55:08It's the word you're searching for.
00:55:10But you're listened to.
00:55:12And was there a decision where you thought, either I go away and pipe down now or I can contribute?
00:55:17Was there a moment that you remember thinking, you know, I will say something?
00:55:21Because I often think when retired heads of the armed forces start chipping in to the current heads of the armed forces,
00:55:28the current heads must think, well, you've had your turn to sit down quietly.
00:55:31You've managed to avoid that kind of criticism by offering wisdom, I think, really,
00:55:36which is now apolitical in a way in terms of it's not a lie to one particular party,
00:55:39but it's a lie to the country.
00:55:41Well, I decided I lost the election rather heavily in 1997.
00:55:49I left parliament in 2001.
00:55:52And I thought, really, there's a new generation there.
00:55:55I'm not going to get into the day-to-day scruffy nature of miserable parliamentary disputes and parliamentary debates.
00:56:02But there are things relating to the well-being of the nation or international matters.
00:56:07If I think I have a contribution to make, I will contribute.
00:56:11But rarely.
00:56:12You didn't go into the House of Lords?
00:56:14No, had no appeal for me at all.
00:56:16I mean, I think the House of Lords is a remarkable place.
00:56:20But it...
00:56:20I had left politics when I left the House of Commons.
00:56:25There's a great world outside.
00:56:27Mostly cricket?
00:56:28Well, a lot of it, but not only that.
00:56:32I mean, there are all sorts of other things that I...
00:56:34It's all sports, really.
00:56:35Cricket is my premier sport.
00:56:36But there are many other things I do.
00:56:39I love the theatre.
00:56:41I love music.
00:56:43I've learned a lot travelling.
00:56:44You must tell me the last time you drove a car.
00:56:481989.
00:56:49Lucky man.
00:56:50And the traffic statistics are far better than I'm not on the road.
00:56:57Thank you very much, Tom.
00:56:58Now, coming up, Tales from the Martini Glass.
00:57:01It must be the best of British time.
00:57:03Tom Serges serving his finest versions of the classic cocktail,
00:57:06each with a famous yarn to go with it.
00:57:09And from the Crawley family estate to my own country pile,
00:57:12swapping Downton Abbey for Manor Farm actor Hugh Bonneville,
00:57:16who joins me right after this.
00:57:17Welcome back to Love Your Weekend.
00:57:32Still ahead.
00:57:33Immortalised by James Bond.
00:57:36Served by Tom Sergi.
00:57:37Well, you cunt of it all, can you?
00:57:39Tom's back behind the piano bar.
00:57:41And he has a melange of martinis chilling till his guests arrive.
00:57:45Not long now, Tom.
00:57:46On our way.
00:57:47But first, it's like saying farewell to an old family friend.
00:57:51As the Crawley household faces a changing world,
00:57:55secrets are revealed, old flames rekindled,
00:57:58and long-standing loyalties tested
00:58:00when tradition meets transformation
00:58:03and every ending opens a new beginning.
00:58:07It's hard to accept that it's time to go.
00:58:13Your friendship has never been more important to all of us.
00:58:18But the future of Downton Abbey is now in Mary's hands.
00:58:25You will be a sensation.
00:58:26Lady Mary must go now.
00:58:47She's divorced.
00:58:48I'm very sorry.
00:58:51I shouldn't have come.
00:58:52Oh, almost as much frisson as when Mr Moseley curtsied to Queen Mary.
00:59:03You know, one of our favourite moments there.
00:59:05You know, 15 years it's been.
00:59:06I mean, from our point of view as an audience, it's flown by.
00:59:10All those series and then three films
00:59:12and finally we'll say goodbye to the Crawley.
00:59:14Well, like you just said, it's like a family friend
00:59:17who perhaps doesn't know when to leave, but we finally have.
00:59:21You do like it as well.
00:59:21Without doing the washing up.
00:59:22But no idea, presumably, when you started doing it quite
00:59:27what a big hit it would become.
00:59:29I mean, did you, you know, when you sent a script like that,
00:59:31Julian Fellowes, Gosford Park, you know, good reputation,
00:59:35got an Oscar for that.
00:59:36What did you think when you saw it first off?
00:59:38Well, when I read it first, before it was cast,
00:59:41the characters popped off the page and were very vivid,
00:59:44which isn't always the case.
00:59:45Sometimes the characters can be interchangeable,
00:59:47but everyone had a distinct voice
00:59:49and I think that's, a lot of that's down to the fact
00:59:52that Julian Fellowes is an actor himself
00:59:53and so has a very good ear for dialogue and character
00:59:56and also I couldn't put it down when I got to the last page.
00:59:59I wanted, like everybody else, wanted to know what happened next.
01:00:01So it had that soap page-turning quality
01:00:03as well as rich characters you enjoyed spending time with.
01:00:06I remember Ian Fleming saying
01:00:08the secret of writing a good novel and the same story
01:00:11is just to keep people wanting to turn the page,
01:00:14wanting to find out what happens next.
01:00:15Yeah, yeah.
01:00:16And they very cleverly kept that going.
01:00:18You had a cast, a lovely cast,
01:00:21all of whom become friends of ours,
01:00:22but one in particular, Dame Maggie Smith,
01:00:25who absolutely lit up the screen
01:00:28and we were all in awe of her.
01:00:30I suspect you were pretty much in awe of her too
01:00:32because she was also working with another great screen icon,
01:00:36Shirley MacLaine.
01:00:38What have you been up to?
01:00:39As a matter of fact, I've found myself a new occupation,
01:00:43but I'm afraid Cousin Violet doesn't think it's quite appropriate.
01:00:46Can we talk about it afterwards?
01:00:48Are there still forbidden subjects in 1920?
01:00:51I can't believe this.
01:00:54I speak of taste rather than law.
01:00:57Well, it's not my taste.
01:00:59What about you, Cora?
01:01:01I agree with my mom.
01:01:03Some subjects are not suitable for every year.
01:01:06Oh.
01:01:06A part of only domestique?
01:01:10Come on, my dear.
01:01:11Carson and Alfred know more about life than we ever will.
01:01:15Can't we stop this?
01:01:17How?
01:01:18It's like a runaway train.
01:01:20Working with two grand dames in theatre.
01:01:24I mean, you're sitting there.
01:01:26It's rather like watching verbal ping-pong, isn't it?
01:01:28It really is.
01:01:29But, you know, yes, you're playing a character, but even so, daunting people to act with.
01:01:33Oh, and they were wondering.
01:01:34Do you know, I'd forgotten that Dan Stevens was still in it.
01:01:37So, season three.
01:01:38I thought it was later.
01:01:39But anyway, they were both great titans, obviously, of the screen.
01:01:42And sitting there in between setups and just thinking, my gosh, you work with, you know,
01:01:47Billy Wilder and Jack Lemmon on the one hand and, you know, Maggie having worked with Olivier
01:01:52and all the other greats and won two Oscars.
01:01:55It was quite an experience having them both there.
01:01:58And I'll never forget Shirley teaching Michelle Dockery and Laura Carmichael, two of my screen
01:02:03daughters, some Bob Fosse moves from, you know, when she was on Broadway.
01:02:08I mean, it was great to see this, you know, these two legends just, A, sparring with us
01:02:13or rather educating us, our generation, but also having a twinkle with each other.
01:02:18It was great.
01:02:18They'll never forget that.
01:02:20And interesting for you watching, then, when the show started, unknowns, Michelle Dockery
01:02:25and Laura Carmichael, you know, unknown actually, first jobs, really.
01:02:29So, for them to be in such august company, particularly with Dame Maggie, who could be quite fearsome.
01:02:36I met her once or twice and she was actually, I actually really enjoyed being with her.
01:02:39But testing, you know.
01:02:41Oh, yes.
01:02:42Exactly.
01:02:43Yeah.
01:02:43Every new director, she'd test out on the first day and sort of virtually say,
01:02:47oh, we're doing it like that, aren't we?
01:02:49You know.
01:02:51And she was, yeah, she was quite a force.
01:02:53But, you know, I mean, just even that one of the, a couple of those lines, the inflections
01:02:57she uses, which, you know, just really make the lines sing.
01:03:00It's just the magic of technique and talent.
01:03:02And they had an auction a month or so ago of props and costumes for it, including your
01:03:08suit, which I was quite tempted by.
01:03:10Then I realised we're a slightly different building.
01:03:13So, I didn't go for it.
01:03:14But Maggie's walking cane went for about 28,000 or something.
01:03:18I couldn't believe it.
01:03:19It's only made out of plywood or something.
01:03:20But it is amazing.
01:03:22I went to see the exhibition of it.
01:03:23And I found it rather touching because it was the first time I'd seen all the, so many
01:03:27bits of memorabilia in one place and to see the passion with which people were bidding
01:03:32for it and how much the show meant or a piece of the show meant to them was really lovely.
01:03:38And I was particularly pleased that people got to see up close the art department's work,
01:03:42the letters and the telegrams and all the things that the camera doesn't really see
01:03:46close up.
01:03:46But we all did on set.
01:03:48All these things that really gave it a touch of authenticity, even though we're in a fake
01:03:54environment, that really added to what we were doing on set.
01:03:57And so, for the visitors to come and see that and go, oh, my gosh, there's a letter from
01:04:01Lady Rose explaining that she's in wherever she is on her trip abroad or Tom Branson talking
01:04:08about his car firm.
01:04:09And, you know, there I am at breakfast reading it, you know, and the camera never sees it.
01:04:14And I was always so blown away by that sort of detail.
01:04:16In the show.
01:04:18Talking of things you don't see, Paddington, whom you never saw, or if you did, he didn't
01:04:25move much.
01:04:26That's been a wonderful series of films there which have brought Michael Bond's Bear to
01:04:32life.
01:04:32And you got to meet Michael, I think, before he died.
01:04:35Lovely man with those glorious points.
01:04:37Oh, yes.
01:04:37He was a dear man.
01:04:39And we were all very nervous.
01:04:41And this is a great credit to David Heyman, the producer who did the Harry Potter films as
01:04:46well, and Rosie Allison, our principal producer, who, you know, we all cared so much about
01:04:51getting it right for him, really.
01:04:53It's like trying to, you know, please your parents, get it right.
01:04:56And we were so touched when he came out of the first screening of the first film and said,
01:05:00I came, I saw, I was conquered, which was very diplomatic of him, even if he hated it.
01:05:07But no, he passed away on the final day of shooting on the second film.
01:05:11But his spirit is very much there, particularly in the second film, I think.
01:05:14And he appears as a cameo in the first, raising a glass of wine to his creation who goes by
01:05:20in a taxi, which is rather lovely.
01:05:22And beautifully voiced by Ben Whishaw.
01:05:24Here we are.
01:05:28Left a bit.
01:05:31Right a bit.
01:05:34Oh, there are a lot of rocks.
01:05:36What on earth are you doing in there?
01:05:39I appear to be driving the boat, Mrs. Brown.
01:05:42But where's Gina?
01:05:43She's not here.
01:05:45I don't think Mr. Hunter's here either.
01:05:46I can put it in reverse.
01:05:47Put the boat in reverse.
01:05:48Good idea.
01:05:51Reverse.
01:05:52That will do it.
01:05:56It's awesome!
01:06:02Now, you're going to tell me that you weren't on a river in Peru, aren't you?
01:06:05You're going to ruin the impression that I had, wouldn't you?
01:06:08Well, we got wet.
01:06:09Put it that way.
01:06:11And I'm sure it says wet in Peru as it is in Boreham Wood.
01:06:13And also, presumably, you've got to work only with...
01:06:18Do you get the voice of Ben Whishaw?
01:06:20Because you don't get the movement and all that.
01:06:22No, it's a complicated process.
01:06:24Ben records, I think, a sort of guide track.
01:06:27But we actually have an actor who provides the voice, as well as having physical representations
01:06:34of the bear.
01:06:35Because I do need to break it to the audience, that sometimes the bear doesn't turn up.
01:06:38And so we have various stand-ins.
01:06:41And the bear emerges from its trailer about 3pm for its close-up.
01:06:46But that's all you're getting that day.
01:06:48You've had, well, I can say the great good fortune to be in so many years.
01:06:51But then they've had the great good fortune to have you.
01:06:53And one of the things that really blew us all the way and surprised us hugely was that
01:06:57the fact that the BBC put on a programme called W1A, which actually took the mickey out of themselves.
01:07:04Did they know what they were letting themselves in for with this?
01:07:07Because W1A, in which I didn't realise I was going to have a little role.
01:07:11However, W1A, let's have a look, which is so cracking.
01:07:14You're playing head of values.
01:07:16I'm head of values at the BBC.
01:07:19And you really, you were the only kind of, what you might call, real ordinary person.
01:07:24You were us.
01:07:24You were every man, really, weren't you, in this role?
01:07:26Yeah, well, I think it sort of works on many levels because it's not really about the BBC.
01:07:31It's about management.
01:07:32And I think anyone who's sat on a village hall committee or a FTSE 100 boardroom knows
01:07:39that certain people around the table say they're going to do something by Thursday
01:07:41but really haven't a chance of doing so or aren't listening or will, you know, do the wrong thing.
01:07:46And Ian Fletcher is our sort of guide through these chicanes of perhaps, you know, educated idiots around one.
01:07:54Here we are. Let's have a look at him in action.
01:07:56So, like, peanut and butter, two things. Peanut butter, one thing.
01:08:00Yes.
01:08:00Yes, no, very strong.
01:08:01BBC and Wimbledon, two things. BBC Wimbledon, one thing.
01:08:05Yes, no, I think we've got that.
01:08:06No, sure, it's like, what's not to get?
01:08:08And this is an area where you could have some ideas?
01:08:10Well, hang on.
01:08:11Well, we could have ideas?
01:08:12Yes.
01:08:12Like there are areas we don't.
01:08:14Right.
01:08:14OK, good.
01:08:15Shall we just have a think about exactly how we want to play this?
01:08:17The fact is, this is important.
01:08:19Yes.
01:08:19I've already made that clear.
01:08:20Yes, no, brilliant.
01:08:21But, Siobhan, I don't want to spoil this party we're all having now,
01:08:24but you can actually have other kinds of butter.
01:08:27Excuse me?
01:08:27I don't believe this.
01:08:28You can have, like, brandy butter or just ordinary butter.
01:08:31It doesn't have to be peanut.
01:08:32There's no such thing as monkey butter, OK?
01:08:34What?
01:08:35Brilliant.
01:08:35Get over it.
01:08:36Brilliant, very strong.
01:08:39How the Dickens, you all learned this quick-fire dialogue.
01:08:44There's no room for any kind of...
01:08:47No, it's genuinely the hardest job I've ever done,
01:08:50and every incarnation of it.
01:08:52The first one was 2012, all about the Olympics,
01:08:55and then we did W1A,
01:08:56and I swore I'd never do it again because I find it impossible to learn
01:08:59because it is nonsensical, most of it.
01:09:02And the dialogue, unlike something like The Thick of It,
01:09:04where they do have an element of improvisation,
01:09:06this is entirely scripted.
01:09:08Every um and uh is scripted, and it's all very rhythmical.
01:09:10So I swore I'd never do it again.
01:09:12So we've just done a show called 2026,
01:09:14which is about a major international football tournament next year,
01:09:18which will be coming to your screens in April, May, I guess.
01:09:20Wonderful.
01:09:21I'm going to be self-indulgent now because I'm going to show a clip
01:09:23which, in our household, is famous because we love this.
01:09:26Because having met Julia Roberts and having met you
01:09:30and seen you in Notting Hill making this wonderful gaffe with Julia Roberts,
01:09:35you just love this as much as I do, I hope.
01:09:38Always imagined it's a pretty tough job, though, acting.
01:09:40I mean, the wages are a scandal, aren't they?
01:09:42They can be.
01:09:44I see friends from university, clever chaps,
01:09:46been in the business longer than you.
01:09:48They're scraping by on 7,000, 8,000 a year.
01:09:51It's not life.
01:09:55What sort of acting do you do?
01:09:57Films, mainly.
01:10:00Oh, splendid.
01:10:01Oh, well done.
01:10:02How's the pay in movies?
01:10:05I mean, last film you did, what did you get paid?
01:10:10$15 million.
01:10:13Right.
01:10:18Because it's Julia Roberts that you're doing to it then,
01:10:21because you're having to be the best.
01:10:23There's a strange chemistry between the two of you during that.
01:10:26There's kind of surreality and reality to it,
01:10:29if that makes any sense at all.
01:10:31Fun to play with, Julia.
01:10:32It was, actually, but it was quite interesting
01:10:36because in the rehearsals,
01:10:38in the original script it was $10 million,
01:10:41and then in rehearsals she changed it to $12 million,
01:10:44and then on that final close-up of hers
01:10:47she changed it to $15 million.
01:10:48And when we finished the shot,
01:10:51I said, out of interest, why did you change it?
01:10:52And she said, I was kind of tired of low-balling.
01:10:55And then a week later it was announced
01:10:57she was getting $20 million for Erin Brockovich,
01:10:59so, you know, it's a different sphere.
01:11:01But she was lovely.
01:11:02Still on the plane.
01:11:03Well, it's good of you, though, to have another string to your bow,
01:11:06because we now have Hugh Bonaville,
01:11:08Rory Sparks and The Elephant in the Room.
01:11:11So, first, children's book.
01:11:12I've read your memoirs, you know, on the piano,
01:11:15on the piano.
01:11:16But children's books,
01:11:17have you always had a yen to write children's books?
01:11:19Absolutely not.
01:11:21It came out of the blue, rather,
01:11:22or came out from a colleague of my literary agent
01:11:25who, in my memoir, I'd written,
01:11:29I have no idea about writing,
01:11:30and they'd commissioned,
01:11:31they'd have said that we want 100,000 words.
01:11:34So I gave them 165,000,
01:11:36thinking they'd be thrilled,
01:11:37because they're getting nearly two for the price of one.
01:11:39And I said, well, what's the problem?
01:11:41They said, well, we're on page 100,
01:11:42but you're still only eight.
01:11:43Could we just move this narrative on a bit, you know?
01:11:45And so I cut out huge amounts of stuff.
01:11:48And for some reason,
01:11:49I'd written really vividly and from memory
01:11:52about my childhood.
01:11:54And so a colleague of my age and said,
01:11:55well, why not develop that into, you know,
01:11:57into a world that you clearly remember it well
01:12:00and liked visiting it,
01:12:02and it's quite funny and innocent pranks
01:12:04and all that sort of thing.
01:12:05So that's really where it sprung from.
01:12:07So there's a degree of autobiography, isn't it?
01:12:08Well, there sort of is.
01:12:09I mean, we had, back in the day,
01:12:11there was Billy Smart Circus
01:12:12that used to come and pitch on Blackheath,
01:12:14where I grew up.
01:12:15And the children from the circus
01:12:18would come and be in our school for a month or so
01:12:20or have along they were in town.
01:12:21And occasionally they'd come to school on an elephant,
01:12:24which, you know, it was quite different days then.
01:12:28And so, and then another example was,
01:12:32I obviously dug a grave for my sister
01:12:33because she needed to be got rid of
01:12:35when I was about nine.
01:12:36And so these threads sort of came together.
01:12:40And I sort of enjoyed exploring a bit of my childhood
01:12:44that some of it had been locked away.
01:12:45And you know what it's like when you're writing.
01:12:46You really do find your imagination takes over.
01:12:50And so you begin to blur fiction and reality quite easily.
01:12:53I know, Hugh, you also champion young authors coming along,
01:12:57particularly young children's authors.
01:12:59We have one with us today, Sam Sejman.
01:13:00Sam, come in.
01:13:01Sam, you've done a series of children's books.
01:13:04Isaac Turner investigates the clockwork conspiracy.
01:13:07I've got to read it back.
01:13:08It says,
01:13:08I mean, it's like that.
01:13:24You know, you read the first place and think,
01:13:26oh, yes, and you just want to go on, don't you?
01:13:29Have you always been children's writer, Sam?
01:13:31I've been a children's writer for about five years now.
01:13:34I've written stories ever since I was a kid.
01:13:36But I, much like Hugh, never thought,
01:13:37oh, I want to grow up and be a children's writer.
01:13:39I thought I wanted to write big, serious,
01:13:42important books for grown-ups.
01:13:43And then those ended up being quite boring.
01:13:46And the real thrill is when you get to write for children,
01:13:48you actually get to have a lot of fun.
01:13:50And no one asks you, but why is this book fun?
01:13:52Yeah, well, it just turns out to what you were saying, Hugh.
01:13:54You let your imagination go,
01:13:55you can be a child again.
01:13:56Ben Miller is a regular on this show,
01:14:00and Ben has become one of the top ten selling children's writers.
01:14:03But when you're in there and you get success
01:14:05and you feel you are speaking
01:14:07and the children are lapping it up and enjoying it,
01:14:10it's a sense of achievement, Hugh.
01:14:12Well, it's the same as when I remember doing Panto
01:14:15and, you know, you're in front of a pretty tough crowd
01:14:17and they tell you pretty damn quickly if they're enjoying it or not.
01:14:20And I'm sure the same will be,
01:14:22I'm dreading next week when this book comes out
01:14:24because I'm going to get, you know,
01:14:25peanuts and all sorts thrown at me
01:14:26from any number of schoolchildren who I go and read to.
01:14:29Do you get intimidated by your audience?
01:14:31Oh, I was terrified when I had to go into school for the first time.
01:14:34But if a kid loves a book,
01:14:36they love it more than any adult loves a book.
01:14:38And there's nothing like the joy of when you meet a kid
01:14:41who absolutely loves your books or loves reading generally
01:14:44and nothing is as good as that feeling.
01:14:47Lovely to talk to you both.
01:14:48Good luck both with Rory Sparks and The Elephant in the Room.
01:14:52And I know this is one of the first ones, isn't it?
01:14:54Isaac Turner-Vessay, it's Clockwork Conspiracy.
01:14:56Thank you both indeed very much.
01:14:58Good to see you.
01:14:59Thank you so much.
01:15:00Time to sit back now and relax for a moment of calm
01:15:03in today's Ode to Joy.
01:15:05Thank you.
01:15:10¡Gracias!
01:15:40¡Gracias!
01:16:10¡Gracias!
01:16:40Tom Sergis put his black tie on
01:16:43and he's serving up decadent martinis
01:16:45and you're all invited
01:16:47I'll be back with Tom, our guests
01:16:49and those toe-tappingly good martinis
01:16:51right after this
01:16:52Welcome back to Love Your Weekend
01:17:07Time for today's Best of British
01:17:10and a cocktail so iconic
01:17:12it's become a byword for Hollywood glamour
01:17:14and British sophistication
01:17:16From its storied past
01:17:18to the endless variations enjoyed today
01:17:21the martini stands out
01:17:23as a symbol of style and elegance
01:17:25Given our esteemed guest list today
01:17:27it seemed only appropriate
01:17:28we laid on the good stuff
01:17:30guiding us through classic recipes
01:17:32inventive modern twists
01:17:34and the stories that made this cocktail a classic
01:17:36our very suave martini maestro
01:17:39Tom Sergis
01:17:40Welcome Tom
01:17:40Come on
01:17:41Thank you Alan
01:17:42What a joy
01:17:42I was over the moon
01:17:44when I was asked to put together five martinis
01:17:46it's my favourite category of cocktails
01:17:48it's the best
01:17:49I'll hear no alternative opinions
01:17:51it's the best
01:17:53in many ways
01:17:54it's the original cocktail
01:17:55you know
01:17:56the birth of the martini
01:17:57essentially was the birth of the cocktail
01:17:59as we know it
01:18:00you had stuff like sherry cobblers
01:18:02and things like that before
01:18:03but the martini
01:18:04is the birth of vermouth
01:18:06being used
01:18:07so these are drinks that are
01:18:08spirit and vermouth
01:18:09and pretty much nothing else
01:18:11which is alright
01:18:12but they're all different
01:18:13they're all different
01:18:14so yeah
01:18:15we've done funky little twists
01:18:16on each
01:18:17shall we begin?
01:18:18yes
01:18:18so the first drink you're going to have here
01:18:20is with an olive in it
01:18:21that's what you want to find
01:18:22I've done my favourite type of martini
01:18:25it is a vodka martini
01:18:26people think that martinis must be gin
01:18:28and in fairness
01:18:29gin martini's been around
01:18:30since the late 1800s
01:18:31but vodka turned up
01:18:33within about 40 years of that
01:18:34so it's pretty much as old
01:18:35and whatever you choose to garnish it with
01:18:37is fine
01:18:38as long as it's an olive or a lemon
01:18:39but this is a classic
01:18:41modern
01:18:41or contemporary
01:18:42vodka martini
01:18:43five parts vodka
01:18:45one part
01:18:47very dry vermouth
01:18:48and we're using
01:18:49Edward's vodka
01:18:50which is made in Lincolnshire
01:18:51from King Edward potatoes
01:18:53so it gives you this nice
01:18:54textural
01:18:55soft character
01:18:56and sacred
01:18:57which is beautiful
01:18:58English dry vermouth
01:18:59made in North London
01:19:00stirred down
01:19:02not shaken
01:19:03we'll get there
01:19:04stirred
01:19:04oh
01:19:05right
01:19:06gorgeous
01:19:07come on
01:19:07do you notice we've all gone silent
01:19:09it's delicious
01:19:10there's a sort of gentle sensation of fear
01:19:13isn't there
01:19:13there's translation
01:19:14there's definitely that
01:19:15of a Sunday morning
01:19:17why are martinis so scary
01:19:18is it because they're so strong
01:19:20they're powerhouse cocktails
01:19:21aren't they
01:19:21I think it sets the tone
01:19:23so if you walk in to see a friend
01:19:25or someone
01:19:25you go to their house for Sunday lunch
01:19:26they offer you a glass of wine
01:19:28if you say
01:19:28should we have a martini
01:19:29there's an immediate naughtiness
01:19:31it sets the bar
01:19:32doesn't it
01:19:32which I think is lovely
01:19:34how different would it be
01:19:35if it was stirred
01:19:36not shaken
01:19:36that's a really good question
01:19:38so stirring martinis down
01:19:40creates this kind of liquid silk texture
01:19:43it chills them down enormously
01:19:44and you end up with this really fine
01:19:46really refreshing texture
01:19:47silky
01:19:48silky
01:19:49and then if you shake drinks
01:19:51what happens is you get more aeration
01:19:53they get richer
01:19:53they get fuller
01:19:54they get more creamy in texture
01:19:55so all of this stuff about James Bond
01:19:57shaken and not stirred
01:19:59the classic martinis are stirred
01:20:01it really is a stirred drink
01:20:02but shaking it
01:20:03if you're into that
01:20:04if you like a bit of extra texture
01:20:05it's fine
01:20:07let's see how this has gone down
01:20:08Hugh do we like
01:20:09I'm a big
01:20:09I'm very keen on a dirty dry martini
01:20:12and often I find that the vermuth can overpower
01:20:16and this is actually a very good proportion I'd say
01:20:20you need very little really don't you
01:20:22and it's not even lunch time
01:20:23it's delicious
01:20:27I'm not a martini person
01:20:29but it's my gosh it's packs a punch
01:20:32but I really liked the olive
01:20:34the salt of the olive
01:20:35against the sort of the flavour of it
01:20:37it's yeah
01:20:38John do you indulge in a martini ever?
01:20:40I do yeah
01:20:41I only discovered them about 20 years ago
01:20:43but I love martinis
01:20:44made up for it since
01:20:45well I have a bit
01:20:48I mean often I don't drink a great deal
01:20:51but often at the beginning of a meal
01:20:52I'll take a martini
01:20:53and nurse that through the meal
01:20:55rather than moving on to wine
01:20:56so yes I love them
01:20:57P.G. Woodhouse always called it a stiffener
01:21:00exactly
01:21:00and I think it's just a wonderful phrase for it
01:21:02lovely
01:21:02next one
01:21:03next one
01:21:04the original martinis in the late 1800s
01:21:06in London and in America
01:21:07would have been much more what we call wet
01:21:10and the wet martini is when it is half
01:21:12or at least a lot more vermuth
01:21:13and a little bit less spirit
01:21:15so this is a 50-50 martini
01:21:18in the style that you might have found in a bar in America
01:21:21or in London
01:21:21in the sort of 1880s
01:21:23into the early 1900s
01:21:24and what I've done with this is
01:21:26I've combined gin
01:21:27so a switching spirit
01:21:28this is forest gin
01:21:30which is made from foraged botanicals
01:21:33in the Macclesfield forest
01:21:34which is absolutely lovely
01:21:35berries
01:21:36there's junipers and citruses in there
01:21:38which they bring in
01:21:39but there's also mosses and ferns
01:21:41foraged from the national park around Macclesfield
01:21:43which is absolutely beautiful
01:21:44distilled up there
01:21:45and mixed with
01:21:46one of my favourite vermouths
01:21:47absolutely sensational
01:21:48Vault Meadow
01:21:50and so this is
01:21:51so very floral
01:21:52very fragrant
01:21:53very grassy
01:21:54dandelion
01:21:55this is so different
01:21:56to that first one
01:21:57completely different
01:21:59much softer
01:22:00much less
01:22:01firm alcoholic attack
01:22:02it's a lot lower in alcohol
01:22:04but not low in alcohol
01:22:05by any stretch
01:22:05I like that one
01:22:07this will be my favourite
01:22:09for sure
01:22:09this is lovely
01:22:10I'm still trying to focus on
01:22:12foraging in Macclesfield
01:22:14I know
01:22:14I know
01:22:15it's a thing
01:22:16it's one of the highest altitude distilleries
01:22:18in the country
01:22:19it's a beautiful place to go and visit
01:22:20the mountains of Macclesfield
01:22:22the mountains of Macclesfield
01:22:23absolutely
01:22:24you as our connoisseur of martinis
01:22:26how does that one compare with the first one
01:22:27do you know
01:22:28I've never really liked gin martinis
01:22:30and this is the first one
01:22:31I've really
01:22:32this is lovely
01:22:33you
01:22:33come on
01:22:34I'm even getting the acorns
01:22:35from the woods in Macclesfield
01:22:37no it's really delicious
01:22:39Tom we have three to go
01:22:41we do
01:22:41move on
01:22:42now
01:22:43I thought I'd give you a bit of a gap
01:22:45what I've done here
01:22:46is I've created
01:22:47a non-alcoholic
01:22:49French martini
01:22:50it's a martini from the 1980s
01:22:52it looks like a martini from the 1980s
01:22:54doesn't it
01:22:55it's got shoulder pads
01:22:55a bit of pineapple
01:22:56shoulder pads
01:22:58and this is a twist on
01:23:00a classic style of martini
01:23:01that sort of martini purists
01:23:03don't think is a martini at all
01:23:04the original cocktail is vodka
01:23:06pineapple juice
01:23:07chambol
01:23:08raspberry liqueur
01:23:09you know
01:23:10shaken together
01:23:11it's a much more viscous sweet thing
01:23:12Tom be on this
01:23:13this is very nice
01:23:14but it's a fruit juice
01:23:15it is well
01:23:15isn't it
01:23:16this is not a martini
01:23:17it's a fruit juice
01:23:18it's a good palate cleanser
01:23:19after those first two
01:23:21and before the last two
01:23:22but it's fruit juice
01:23:23this is using something called sentia
01:23:25so I love this
01:23:26this is made in the UK
01:23:27and it is a
01:23:28what they call
01:23:30a functional non-alcoholic spirit
01:23:32so instead of alcohol
01:23:33what they're trying to do
01:23:33is combine
01:23:34so as opposed to
01:23:35non-functioning alcohol
01:23:36exactly
01:23:37exactly
01:23:37so these are
01:23:39it's created with lots of
01:23:40different botanicals and herbs
01:23:41brought together
01:23:42the combination of which
01:23:44is meant to trigger
01:23:45feelings and sensations
01:23:46in your GABA system
01:23:47which is your
01:23:48kind of emotional
01:23:49regulation system
01:23:51in the body
01:23:51so
01:23:51Lolita do you feel
01:23:52you're being triggered
01:23:53in your GAMAs
01:23:54I hope so
01:23:56I think this is delicious
01:23:57it is delicious
01:23:58and the martini glass
01:23:59makes me feel like
01:24:00I am having a martini
01:24:01it's a good
01:24:01I really like it
01:24:03John?
01:24:03I think my GABA system
01:24:04approves
01:24:05Hugh
01:24:07my mother always said
01:24:09if you haven't got
01:24:09anything nice to say
01:24:10don't say it
01:24:11just leave it at that
01:24:12move on
01:24:13move on
01:24:13we're moving through
01:24:14we're moving through
01:24:15now
01:24:16back onto the booze
01:24:17we have got
01:24:18a brilliant take
01:24:19on a martini
01:24:20so this is from
01:24:20the early 1900s
01:24:21created at the Savoy
01:24:23by a lady called
01:24:25Ada Coleman
01:24:25who was the head
01:24:26bartender at the
01:24:26Savoy at the time
01:24:27and it's called
01:24:29the Hanky Panky
01:24:30which I like a lot
01:24:31for the love of Ada
01:24:33absolutely
01:24:34so it is gin
01:24:36heavily gin
01:24:37and the vermouth
01:24:38added to it
01:24:39one fifth
01:24:40vermouth
01:24:41like the first
01:24:41martini we had
01:24:42is Rosso vermouth
01:24:43and this is made
01:24:44by the brilliant
01:24:45Astley Brothers
01:24:45in South London
01:24:47but crucially
01:24:48just a little dribble
01:24:50of something called
01:24:51Fernet
01:24:51is put into there
01:24:52and that is a
01:24:53super bittersweet
01:24:54Italian style liqueur
01:24:55bit like a vermouth
01:24:56but much more
01:24:57alcoholic
01:24:57minty
01:24:58it's got myrrh
01:24:59in there
01:25:00for you three
01:25:01wise men
01:25:01enthusiasts
01:25:02bit of air
01:25:03and it's a much
01:25:04more kind of
01:25:04intense thing
01:25:05the gin in here
01:25:06is Mouse Hall
01:25:07which is from
01:25:08East Sussex
01:25:08and it's sensational
01:25:10it's much more
01:25:11punchy
01:25:11yeah
01:25:12John do you like
01:25:13that one
01:25:13with the
01:25:14Rosso martini
01:25:16in or
01:25:16the myrrh
01:25:17might be good
01:25:18I think it
01:25:18misses the incense
01:25:19I'm not so sure
01:25:23about this one
01:25:24not so sure
01:25:24it's a bit too heavy
01:25:25for it
01:25:25it is
01:25:26it is much heavier
01:25:27it does
01:25:28for me
01:25:29the pleasure
01:25:30in a martini
01:25:30is that crisp hit
01:25:32and this is just
01:25:33a bit rounder
01:25:34slightly medicinal
01:25:36that's true
01:25:37it is
01:25:38it's become
01:25:38the bastion
01:25:39of the kind of
01:25:40food scene
01:25:40in London
01:25:41if you like
01:25:41so amazing chefs
01:25:42like Fergus
01:25:43Henderson
01:25:43at St John
01:25:44and things
01:25:44you know
01:25:45this is their
01:25:45absolute
01:25:46kind of
01:25:46benchmark cocktail
01:25:47Anthony Bourdain
01:25:48was a big fan
01:25:49it's a very
01:25:50gastronomic drink
01:25:50let's move on
01:25:51to the last one
01:25:51thank you Ada
01:25:52thank you Ada
01:25:53thank you Ada
01:25:54now finally
01:25:56and this is a bit
01:25:57of an easy option
01:25:58really
01:25:59but look
01:25:59it is the classic
01:26:00the quintessential
01:26:01you can't go on
01:26:03a hen party
01:26:03without one
01:26:04the espresso martini
01:26:06which is a thing
01:26:07now
01:26:07the espresso martini
01:26:08despite being ubiquitous
01:26:11and everywhere
01:26:12is one of those
01:26:13bartender
01:26:13classics
01:26:14ooh
01:26:15stunning hey
01:26:18oh yeah
01:26:18that is lovely
01:26:19that is lovely
01:26:21you want to
01:26:22down it in
01:26:22wonderful
01:26:23like a chocolate
01:26:24for you I guess
01:26:25it is
01:26:25it's chocolatey
01:26:26and rich
01:26:27this is made with
01:26:28the toasted
01:26:29coffee bean vodka
01:26:30from Portobello Road
01:26:31distillery
01:26:31which is a sensational
01:26:32potato based vodka
01:26:33again like Edwards
01:26:34great textural vodka
01:26:35made in London
01:26:36they make good gin too
01:26:37and Conker
01:26:38which is from Dorset
01:26:39which is a coffee liqueur
01:26:41mix that with
01:26:42a little bit of sugar
01:26:43some actual espresso
01:26:44fresh espresso
01:26:45shake it
01:26:46and you've got this
01:26:46and it was invented
01:26:48as a style of martini
01:26:49by Dick Bradsell
01:26:50arguably the UK's
01:26:51greatest and most
01:26:52influential bartender
01:26:53in 1984
01:26:54in Soho
01:26:55Lolita
01:26:56what do you think
01:26:57I think this is delicious
01:26:58it's very dangerous
01:26:59isn't it
01:27:00it's very dangerous
01:27:01because it's already
01:27:01moorish
01:27:02it slips down
01:27:03John
01:27:04I think I'd better
01:27:05get some invitations
01:27:06to hen parties
01:27:06we'll see what we can do
01:27:10this is absolutely delicious
01:27:13and I particularly like
01:27:14that I'm intrigued
01:27:15by the vodka
01:27:15I'm intrigued by
01:27:17the date
01:27:171980
01:27:18whatever it was for
01:27:19what inspired him
01:27:21was it someone
01:27:22falling asleep
01:27:22at the counter
01:27:23so I wonder
01:27:25if you're leading me
01:27:25into something
01:27:26that could get me
01:27:26into trouble
01:27:27but it was invented
01:27:29in London Fashion Week
01:27:301984
01:27:30and the legend goes
01:27:32that a supermodel
01:27:33of the time
01:27:33who I know who it is
01:27:34and will remain nameless
01:27:35walked into the Soho
01:27:36Brasserie one morning
01:27:37and said to Dick
01:27:38we're in the middle
01:27:39of London Fashion Week
01:27:40I'm exhausted
01:27:41and I need you
01:27:42to make me something
01:27:42that's going to wake me up
01:27:44and shake me up
01:27:45we'll say for the sake of TV
01:27:46and he responded
01:27:49by turning around
01:27:50to the Illy Espresso machine
01:27:51had just been given
01:27:52which was a rare thing
01:27:53in 1984
01:27:54made an espresso
01:27:55chucked some vodka
01:27:56and hey presto
01:27:57a legend was born
01:27:59and so that is
01:28:00the origin story
01:28:01London Fashion Week
01:28:02I'll drink to that
01:28:03I'll drink to that
01:28:04that's it for today's show
01:28:06where are we going
01:28:07for lunch
01:28:07it'll need to have
01:28:09a lot of stodge in it
01:28:10soak it all up
01:28:11thanks to all my guests
01:28:12to Sir John
01:28:13to the leader
01:28:14to Hugh
01:28:15and of course to Tom
01:28:15for cheering us
01:28:17with all these
01:28:17join me next week
01:28:18for some more
01:28:19barn side banter
01:28:20but until then
01:28:21well you see
01:28:22it's difficult to speak
01:28:22now isn't it
01:28:23till then
01:28:24in the words
01:28:24of US comedian
01:28:25Jackie Gleason
01:28:27you try saying that
01:28:28after a sip of his
01:28:28espresso martini
01:28:29a man must defend
01:28:31his home
01:28:31his wife
01:28:32his children
01:28:33and his martini
01:28:34I'm defending this
01:28:35cheers all
01:28:36cheers
01:28:37cheers
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