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00:00:00We are one, two, one, two, one, two, one.
00:00:05Our first big gig, going to the table.
00:00:09We're really nervous, we're really scared.
00:00:11It's a real first big show, man.
00:00:13Give it up, we've got the Telepins!
00:00:16Come on, let's go!
00:00:26From a very young age, I remember literally saying,
00:00:29I'm telling you, I'm going to be famous, watch this space.
00:00:37I just thought everyone would love me,
00:00:39and it would solve all my problems.
00:00:42Oh, my God, oh, my God!
00:00:47They were doing everything to make us famous and big,
00:00:50and that's what we wanted.
00:00:52It felt like we could just go and conquer the world.
00:00:55I've got a way out.
00:00:57I'm going to be somebody, I'm going to make something of my life.
00:01:03But it just became so much more than that.
00:01:05That's something no one will ever, ever, ever, ever be able to prepare you for.
00:01:19This is the story of an unlikely group of musical disruptors, who sang, danced and wrapped their way to pop stardom.
00:01:33The Northern, working-class girls, they won the battle.
00:01:36You're back against the world!
00:01:38Cool, raw, sassy.
00:01:40We weren't one-hit wonders, and we were a force to be reckoned with.
00:01:43Propelled and shaped by musical visionaries.
00:01:46And they were still kids, you know, they were so young.
00:01:49Essentially, we became their parents.
00:01:51Cheering!
00:01:54They were idolized by millions.
00:01:56You're the best, the best women in the world!
00:01:59I associate fame with being loved, but it almost killed me as well.
00:02:04Wait, wait, wait, wait!
00:02:05Hounded by the media.
00:02:06You were too fat, you were too thin.
00:02:08The press were brutal.
00:02:10And pushed to the edge by an industry that wanted to tame them.
00:02:14They were controlling what we ate.
00:02:16That was crazy, but that's what they did.
00:02:21Girl bands.
00:02:23It's a hard world.
00:02:24It's a tough business.
00:02:25All safe, eternal!
00:02:27The Spice Girls!
00:02:29If it means that I need to leave this band to have this baby, I'm gonna leave.
00:02:34We battle the social media trolls together.
00:02:39You become a sisterhood.
00:02:41You can't really survive that unless you do.
00:02:44Ooh!
00:02:58Safely and successfully, the party's over and the bug stays away.
00:03:07As the reigning monarch and prime minister welcomed in a new era...
00:03:11If you want to download a CD off a website over a high-speed connection, you're talking minutes.
00:03:17The country switched on and became a nation of voyeurs.
00:03:22Craig.
00:03:23Melanie.
00:03:24Craig.
00:03:25Nasty Nick will be on the front page of the tabloids tomorrow, changing the nature of storytelling.
00:03:30And outside the house, gossip was becoming a national obsession.
00:03:34Every week, nearly five million people buy and enjoy magazines that are devoted exclusively to celebrity gossip.
00:03:41I do get approached. I've never done either. But if you don't do them, they do you anyway.
00:03:46Girl power had taken over the charts the previous decade.
00:03:50But by the early 2000s, the party was over for some of Britain's biggest girl groups.
00:03:54It looks like there's nothing eternal about being in the banditon.
00:04:0090s R&B chart toppers Eternal had unceremoniously parted ways with singer Kelly.
00:04:05PHONE RINGS
00:04:09You were dismissed by fax?
00:04:12I received a fax in 1998.
00:04:15Obviously, I knew that things weren't perfect.
00:04:18But I guess at the bottom of it, I just hoped that somebody could have told me, maybe,
00:04:23this is going to happen or no, this is what we've decided.
00:04:26That's all I would have asked for, just to be told, personally.
00:04:29Leaving rivals All Saints hoping to take centre stage with their second album.
00:04:36In the early 2000s, we were one of the last girl bands who hadn't split up.
00:04:44We'd already sort of, like, felt like we'd been in the game for a long time.
00:04:49We definitely all wanted something bigger and better.
00:04:51Now it's time for the lovely ladies, ladies and gentlemen.
00:04:59Ladies. Ladies.
00:05:01There's some ladies in the house.
00:05:03Manners, boys.
00:05:05Shaznay, Mel, Nat and Nicole, please give a huge welcome to the All Saints, ladies and gentlemen.
00:05:10Back in the house.
00:05:12Your new single, Pure Shores, is the lead song from the Leonardo DiCaprio new movie, The Beach.
00:05:18Is it a good performance by Leonardo?
00:05:19Yeah, that was brilliant.
00:05:20Yeah, that was wicked.
00:05:21In the film?
00:05:22Yeah, in the film.
00:05:24No, I'm not, I'm, Nicole.
00:05:29Hoping to dominate the charts, All Saints released their first single of the new millennium.
00:05:35A song all about escape.
00:05:38I've crossed the deserts for miles,
00:05:41Smiling water for time,
00:05:43Searching places to find,
00:05:45A piece of something to call a man.
00:05:50The piece of something to call a man.
00:05:54Coming closer to you.
00:05:58The beach was a big step up for us.
00:06:00It was a big Hollywood studio behind it and it was obviously Leonardo DiCaprio.
00:06:06Directed by Danny Boyle.
00:06:07Danny's history, he was very dialed in to music.
00:06:16I went in there and kind of told him for the first time about All Saints.
00:06:19Didn't go down very well.
00:06:20It was like, have you seen my other soundtracks?
00:06:23What I do?
00:06:25Aren't they a girly band?
00:06:26I was like, yeah, but they're cool.
00:06:28I'm moving, I'm going.
00:06:30Can you hear what I hear?
00:06:32It's calling you my dear.
00:06:35Out of reach.
00:06:37To love me.
00:06:39It had a hugely positive effect on the film and was a global hit.
00:06:43Coming out, drowning, swimming closer to you.
00:06:46It's All Saints at their best.
00:06:48It's an absolutely beautiful song.
00:06:51The best pop music is like being on holiday, going somewhere.
00:06:54You know, it transports you.
00:06:56You, I'm coming out, drowning, swimming closer to you.
00:07:01Pure Shores is still, I think, one of the best pop songs of our time.
00:07:07A brilliant record.
00:07:11I appreciate the fact that people are even talking about it still to this day.
00:07:16That's, you know, an honour.
00:07:19The track earned an Ivan Avello Award for the group's songwriter Shazney
00:07:24and sold almost a million copies.
00:07:26Hi, this question's for Shazney and I'd like to know where she gets her
00:07:31inspiration from to write the band's songs.
00:07:35Thank you for asking the last question.
00:07:36I was like, oh, gosh, you're going to get me.
00:07:38It just depends on my mood.
00:07:40I'm not very good at being forced to write songs if I'm not feeling,
00:07:43you know...
00:07:45Are you all into the same kind of music?
00:07:46No.
00:07:47We appreciate each other's.
00:07:49Shaz being the main songwriter means that by default,
00:07:51she would make the lion's share of the profits from what the record would make.
00:07:58In my experience, it can cause resentment.
00:08:02And I don't want to speak to anyone, but I think that probably did happen.
00:08:05The friendship and business took its toll on us.
00:08:11It was tricky. It was always tricky.
00:08:13Our communication wasn't great.
00:08:15But it's so nice, you know, when you look back,
00:08:18a lot of the things that were dramatic,
00:08:22you know, could have been so easily resolved.
00:08:25But that's, again, hindsight.
00:08:28It's a right cunt.
00:08:30A few questions that I need to know.
00:08:36One of the most successful pop bands of recent years, All Saints,
00:08:39were due to tour the UK this May,
00:08:41but it looks as though the foursome may no longer be together by then.
00:08:45And how long it's been going on.
00:08:47Why did you split up?
00:08:49Because we didn't like each other.
00:08:51We'd fallen out. It was hell.
00:08:53It was, like, separate everything.
00:08:55It was just so ridiculous.
00:08:56But literally one of the proudest moments of being in that band
00:09:02was calling it quits because we didn't stay for the money.
00:09:07We wanted to be done.
00:09:08We didn't want to be with each other anymore.
00:09:10And we made that decision.
00:09:13We were in control.
00:09:15We were supposed to go on tour to give the money back.
00:09:17And I'm so proud of that.
00:09:20That was one of the only decisions we were all happy to make together,
00:09:24is to tell each other to fuck off.
00:09:27I think it's a real shame that All Saints fell apart.
00:09:30There had been lots of talk for a long time about how they didn't get on,
00:09:34but I think that was exacerbated by media attention.
00:09:37By the 2000s, the media realised that people are interested in pop stars
00:09:42and what pop stars are doing and what pop stars shouldn't be doing.
00:09:44And so there's a real sea change in that, that, say, musicians are fair game,
00:09:49which they weren't, you know, a decade before.
00:09:52One of the last things we did before we split up was we were on the quite early cover of Heat magazine.
00:09:56And I think we dodged a bullet there.
00:10:00Because if we'd had the intrusion and the following around and the scrutiny that celebrities had from after that,
00:10:09we'd have been fucked. Absolutely fucked, yeah.
00:10:12It was a very toxic place to be in.
00:10:14In the 2000s, celebrities' private lives were big business.
00:10:21I think gossip magazines saw a huge exponential rise in the early 2000s because of reality TV.
00:10:27With the idea of reality TV. No one's got a private life anymore. We're fine with that.
00:10:32It's quite weird to think that we didn't use, we didn't have social media when Heat was at its most successful.
00:10:37People would wait until a Tuesday to get Heat magazine and that's where they got their gossip.
00:10:42It was the sort of gossip Bible.
00:10:45I would get Heat magazine every single week. It was so gossipy.
00:10:51I mean, looking back, the whole decade was quite mean.
00:10:54The hoop of horror. The circle of shame.
00:10:58Oh, you look a bit fat. Horrendous.
00:11:01But we all bought those magazines. And we all lapped it up.
00:11:05We share each other's secrets.
00:11:08I was very much there during the era where girl bands were our sort of fodder week in, week out.
00:11:14Not just their music. It was about their love lives.
00:11:17It was about the infighting between them that people were fascinated by.
00:11:20People just wanted more and more of these girl bands.
00:11:24The race was on to meet the demand for more girl bands.
00:11:29Looking to capitalise was a veteran of an earlier scene.
00:11:33When they said to us, you're the future of pop, people were like, fuck off, we're experimental.
00:11:38I must have mellowed if I could go from trying to change the world with electronic music to creating a girl band.
00:11:58After nearly 20 years and 40 million records sold, Andy had called time on his synth group OMD in 1996.
00:12:14I felt like I was banging my head against a brick wall.
00:12:19Nobody was going to buy my records because I was in an 80s synth band and times had changed.
00:12:24And Radio One wouldn't play us. Bastards.
00:12:26The race is on to get out of the bottom.
00:12:31I'd heard the Spice Girls and I just went, that is so infectious.
00:12:35People used to say to me, surely Andy McCluskey from My Customers in the Dark thinks that's shit.
00:12:39I'm like, no, it's bloody brilliant.
00:12:40And I just thought, if you want to carry on and write songs for somebody else, maybe that's the way to go.
00:12:50And then I thought, OK, what is the best type of manufactured pop group?
00:12:56I said, three piece girl band.
00:13:00Andy enlisted a young band manager, Martin O'Shea, to help form a group with a distinctly northern flavour.
00:13:07I don't think there's been a girl group out of Liverpool.
00:13:11Well, I didn't know of one.
00:13:15It was important that it was going to have a regionality, a distinctive flavour, a vibe.
00:13:21We didn't want a band made up from, pardon the expression, wannabes who'd all been to stage school.
00:13:27I was working at the Motor Museum studio, it was called the Pink Museum then.
00:13:31And Oasis had been recording in that studio and that sort of had an impact on me,
00:13:34that whole world of the way they just didn't care.
00:13:38I need to be myself.
00:13:41It was like full on. People loved them for that.
00:13:43They were northerners.
00:13:44And I thought, why not just do a Scouse group that's got loads of attitude and isn't like anything else?
00:13:51Then it was to find band members who were up for it, really.
00:13:54Come on, come on, come on, come on, come on.
00:13:59My mate, who was in a techno band called the Porn Kings, who had a couple of minor dances, said to me,
00:14:06are you still trying to do a girl band?
00:14:07I said, yeah. He said, you've got to meet this girl, she's a star.
00:14:11These exact words were, she's wasting her time behind me on stage.
00:14:14OK, well, I'm joined now by the Porn Kings. We've just been having a chat.
00:14:22We've got, come on, have a chat to the girls.
00:14:24This is the lovely Kerry.
00:14:26Yeah, that's right. OK.
00:14:28A week later, I'm sat here, the door opens, Kerry comes in.
00:14:33Hiya!
00:14:34Are we all all right? Is everyone happy?
00:14:38Come on with me, my little mate. Come on then, baby.
00:14:40You getting him?
00:14:42Baby, shush.
00:14:44It's about me today.
00:14:46It's about me today.
00:14:47Good boy.
00:14:51At the time, I was 18.
00:14:54You know, I was living in this council flat and I went to Liverpool.
00:14:57I'd never been for any audition in my life.
00:14:59I took my portfolio of pastry photographs, told a load of dirty jokes,
00:15:04sang a few karaoke songs.
00:15:09She doesn't give a shit what anybody really thinks, which is brilliant.
00:15:12She was incredible.
00:15:14The energy level coming out of the girl.
00:15:16The vision we shared, really, Kerry summed it up.
00:15:21Even though she had never really sung at that point, Kerry had a really good voice
00:15:25and people don't realise that she could do it.
00:15:29But I think, obviously, they weren't for me more because of the way I looked.
00:15:32I mean, it helps if you're fit.
00:15:35I know I wouldn't have been a fucking girl back if I didn't have a bit about me.
00:15:46Second to join the group was 17-year-old schoolgirl Liz McLarnan.
00:15:50I love every minute of it and I'm so excited about it.
00:15:55But Andy still had one last slot to fill to complete his trio.
00:15:59Do you have your bag?
00:16:01Mattress with me T-shirt.
00:16:03Made in Liverpool.
00:16:05She walked through that door to the mic and out came this voice.
00:16:10Makein' me feel that I want it
00:16:14Enter Natasha Hamilton, who was just 16 at the time.
00:16:18Hello.
00:16:22Those vocals are on the finished single.
00:16:24Her audition vocals, she was that good.
00:16:26She just had raw power.
00:16:28That was a really big moment.
00:16:31All I ever wanted to be was on stage singing.
00:16:37Because as a kid, like, I was bullied quite a lot.
00:16:41I was bullied because I was ginger.
00:16:43I was bullied because I wore braces.
00:16:45I was bullied because my dad was mixed race and I lived in a predominantly white part of Liverpool.
00:16:49So, for me, music was such a...
00:16:53It was escapism.
00:16:55With Andy's dream pop line-up complete, the group settled on a name.
00:17:02Atomic Kitten.
00:17:04The first time, the three of them in that room, Kerry said,
00:17:08Give us an hour, we'll do a dance routine.
00:17:13So I'm like, oh, that's really good, but what about this?
00:17:16Or what about this? You know, like, kind of like, give him my two pence worth.
00:17:20And that didn't go down well at all. It put Kerry's nose out.
00:17:25I couldn't stand her.
00:17:27She's very abrupt and very assertive. I went, I don't like her.
00:17:31Kerry went back to the studio and said, I don't like her and if she's in the band, I'm leaving.
00:17:36I was absolutely heartbroken.
00:17:39But my God, that girl couldn't sing in the way. Just give it two weeks. Just give her a chance.
00:17:45One time, we had a free weekend and I invited Kerry to mine.
00:17:49And my Dad cooked Spagball and we went out to Liverpool for a few drinks.
00:17:54And we actually ended up becoming the best of mates.
00:17:58We were like double trouble.
00:18:00That's it.
00:18:01Yeah, I loved her a bit. She was my best mate.
00:18:11I had a really close family and I think for Kerry, coming to my house was her sanctuary.
00:18:20She used to call my Mum and Dad, Mum and Dad.
00:18:22Like, I wanted her family to be my family.
00:18:27You know, they had stability, proper stability.
00:18:32Whereas, I didn't have that.
00:18:35I was in refuges and foster homes and my Mum was more my mate than a Mum.
00:18:41You know what, I love my Mum's bits, but my Mum had a really hard childhood and she had a lot of issues herself.
00:18:47Alcohol, drugs, you know.
00:18:51I was brought up in like the rough pubs, like I lived in the pubs.
00:18:55Me and my Mum and all her mates, I was more treated like an adult than anything.
00:18:58She was kind of the big sister I never had in the end.
00:19:04We were really close.
00:19:07The thing is, they were still kids, you know, they were so young.
00:19:11And essentially we became their pets.
00:19:14Say hi Martin.
00:19:16Hi Martin.
00:19:18I made a commitment to look after the girls.
00:19:20They're young people and I told them, I've got your back.
00:19:24Properly red hair. Proper red.
00:19:25There was a responsibility for us.
00:19:28You know, they were giving up school to do this.
00:19:30And then the pressure was on that we needed to get them a record deal.
00:19:38Do you hear what that guy just said to me?
00:19:41Oh, don't tell me.
00:19:43I could have any girl here, but it's your lucky night.
00:19:46But with their dreams of Bill Van Glory, the kittens were entering a crowded field.
00:19:49After the Spice Girls, when I just joined Radio One, we were deluged with girl bands.
00:19:57Ma na, ma na.
00:20:00No way, no way.
00:20:02No way, no way.
00:20:04Ma na, ma na.
00:20:06No way, no way.
00:20:08I mean, that's still quite iconic, that song.
00:20:11Actually.
00:20:13No way, no way.
00:20:15It's so shit.
00:20:16But brilliant.
00:20:18That was a hit.
00:20:19But it was probably just one hit, I think.
00:20:22It's a girl thing with the right swing.
00:20:25Yes, it's a little ball to go do our thing.
00:20:28Girl thing, everyone expected to be huge.
00:20:32Last one step back in.
00:20:34They were put together by Simon Cowell.
00:20:36On paper, that should have worked.
00:20:41Girl thing had this huge marketing machine, but it fizzled out pretty quickly.
00:20:45Because the key to a successful girl band is authenticity.
00:20:52People were quite quick to see and judge if the girl band was completely put together.
00:20:57The girl band marketplace craved realness.
00:21:12And three London teenagers were about to provide it.
00:21:16Sabrina.
00:21:18Come on, babe.
00:21:20I just had to show you my hair.
00:21:22I've got birds feathers in my hair.
00:21:24It's wicked though, isn't it?
00:21:25It's the night of our show, pigs.
00:21:27We've come here.
00:21:28The music seems like it's German, but the people ain't.
00:21:31Because there ain't nobody here but us chickens.
00:21:42I grew up in North West London.
00:21:46A place called Karlsland.
00:21:49With a lot of reggae.
00:21:51My parents were from Jamaica.
00:21:52But when I was at school, always loved girl groups, loved them coming together and being there for each other.
00:22:02I was making up a group with my friends.
00:22:05I think I was about 17 going 18.
00:22:08When I met Alicia and Sue.
00:22:10I met the girls at Dance Attic in Fulham.
00:22:15I grew up in South London and I loved dancing, I loved singing, I loved acting.
00:22:20And I did everything from a young age.
00:22:23I danced with the Royal Scottish Ballet when they were touring when I was a kid.
00:22:27The girls were beautiful, smiley and just had good energy.
00:22:32We connected like that instantly.
00:22:35We just wanted to make music.
00:22:40Put together without major backing, Mystique was signed to a small dance label and were embracing a sound from the underground.
00:22:47UK Garage was what we were going out raving to.
00:22:52And so we were like, yeah, we should definitely do a Garage track.
00:22:54For anyone that doesn't know what UK Garage is, where have you been?
00:23:16Soulful dance music with a big fat round bass line.
00:23:21UK Garage, mate, that was so much fun. It was so wicked.
00:23:33What is it about Garage music that attracts you to us?
00:23:37The bass line, good crowd, no trouble.
00:23:40Loads of lovely women, loads of lovely guys like ourselves, the brothers.
00:23:43For real, it's not no put together pop music.
00:23:46The scene was very aspirational. Dressed up, you know, there's champagne.
00:23:49It makes you want to dance. And it was very, very British.
00:23:57Uplifting, vibrant. It just screams energy.
00:24:00But it wasn't getting a lot of commercial support at the time. If you wanted to listen to it on the radio, you generally had to tune in to a dodgy radio station, or what do you call it, pirate radio stations.
00:24:11There are now more pirate radio stations broadcasting than ever before.
00:24:16Now, if you have a record, you can upload it and send it to thousands of people at the click of a button.
00:24:24Back then, you had to give it to a DJ on pirate if they had a prominent pirate radio show, or if it was a DJ that would be playing out loads in the clubs.
00:24:34The effort that we put in, touring up and down the country endlessly, seven nights a week, just trying to promote the song and get it in different DJs' hands.
00:24:42It's really, really cold here. We've got about a hundred layers on at the moment.
00:24:47People are working so hard, and although on the mainstream side of things, we weren't getting a lot of love and support in the early days.
00:24:55Where we were getting it was from those pirate radio stations, from those club DJs.
00:25:00I remember hearing the garage version of Y for the first time. My face was just like, hold on a second, what's going on here then?
00:25:14I was the senior A&R manager at Telstar Records, went back to my boss Pete, and I said to him, Pete, this band Mystique, we need to get them in, we need to sign them, and that was it. Basically, the deal was going to be done.
00:25:24Spotting the group's potential, Billy convinced the label to snap the girls up for a multi-album deal.
00:25:35Billy helped to push us, like, when we had ideas of songs or this, that, he pushed us forward, and we loved him.
00:25:44The videos just started being played, and people are getting to know of us, but we're yet to see how we're going to do, so we just have to see.
00:25:52The thing you've got to remember about back then is, like, we were a first. We were an all-black girl group coming from the underground urban scene, and we had a lot of doors and barriers to break down.
00:26:05It was really hard for black girl bands. Full stop.
00:26:11Yeah, Eternal was successful, they got chart hits, they got number one, but, you know, they're a particular type of band, okay?
00:26:17Mystique came from a different area. Everything about them came from the street, came from the underground.
00:26:25So, trying to get yourselves recognition at a mainstream level, you're head above the parapet. It was really, really, really hard.
00:26:33Hey. So, USP is everything. It's like, what is making you different?
00:26:38Why?
00:26:39Alicia was really interested and intrigued by the MC scene.
00:26:47My uncle inspired me to MC a couple of years ago, and I never wanted to do it. I just did it in my bedroom, in front of my friends, because I thought women don't do that, and from then I started taking it more seriously.
00:26:56She went in and, you know, spat some bars, and everything just came together.
00:27:10For three girls to be singing, and then one just flipping into an MC at that time, that was different.
00:27:16Also, we talk about the fact that girl bands find it a lot harder because they have to win over the girls and the boys.
00:27:31When she flipped into her MC, and the guys are going, whoa, look at that, yeah, she's cool as well.
00:27:40And the group's distinct sound caught the attention of three underground DJs who had just broken through to the mainstream.
00:27:49You're locked into the Dream Team.
00:27:52So, the Dream Team were three DJs.
00:27:55We met on London Underground Pirate Radio, but UK Garage, it just caught a wave, and there was a bit of an explosion.
00:28:04And we were giving the show on Radio One.
00:28:06Hi, I'm DJ Spoonie. I'm Mikey B.
00:28:08And I'm Timmy Banjik. And collectively, we are the Dream Team.
00:28:12Now, with the Radio One show, the doors to UK Garage have been blown clean up.
00:28:17So, we were on Radio One, we get this record.
00:28:20I remember the first time I heard Alicia emceeing those bars. It was like, whoa!
00:28:25Here we go, here we go.
00:28:28This is authentic.
00:28:30There weren't too many female MCs, do you know what I mean?
00:28:34She was about the culture, she got it, she knew it, she lived it, she understood it.
00:28:38So, all of the girls, Su-Elise and Sabrina, understood the scene.
00:28:43We were like, we're all over this, we're playing this every week.
00:28:46And then you just watch it catch fire, and it did.
00:28:48Now, this next song was championed by Radio One's very own Dream Team.
00:28:54A seal of approval, if there ever was one.
00:28:56Making their Top of the Pops debut with wine, this mystique.
00:29:02It's amazing. Top of the Pops was a dream.
00:29:04That was the show that everyone watched.
00:29:06And we were going because our song is now in the top ten in the UK. We're number eight.
00:29:15So tired.
00:29:17Are you kidding me? What a night.
00:29:18It was a good night there.
00:29:19You saw these three unapologetically black girls, you know.
00:29:23Shall we listen to the album?
00:29:25Oh, yes. Yeah, go on.
00:29:27They just really represented a very particular sort of like 2000s black girl experience and aesthetic.
00:29:33Or like the hair always laid perfectly, cute coordinating outfits, like wicked vocals.
00:29:37It was just, yeah, with my girls, like music.
00:29:41It was just perfect.
00:29:46Growing up, there wasn't a lot of representation of black girls on TV.
00:29:51And to be in that position, to be up there where little girls can then look up to you and see someone who looks like them doing well.
00:29:57Wicked.
00:30:02Like you said you would.
00:30:05Aha, yeah.
00:30:08Up north in Liverpool, yet to release any music.
00:30:12More singing and less dancing, please, all right?
00:30:15Atomic Kitten was sending out demos to the major labels.
00:30:19We agreed that they would do a showcase for Hugh Goldsmith.
00:30:23Hugh's label, Innocent in London.
00:30:24And, of course, Innocent were already having big success.
00:30:29A subsidiary of Virgin.
00:30:31They had Billy Piper.
00:30:32They had Martin McClutchin.
00:30:35And he sat down.
00:30:37And halfway through, Hugh Goldsmith was just put down and going,
00:30:41Stop! Stop!
00:30:42And we were like, oh, God, is it that bad?
00:30:44Are we really that deluded?
00:30:45Girls, come here, come here, come here.
00:30:47I'm going to sign you.
00:30:49I can remember calling my mum and just being like,
00:30:51Well, we've done it.
00:30:54God, I get emotional.
00:30:57Yeah, it was just, it was, that was it.
00:30:59It was like, I've got, I've won the golden, I've got the golden ticket.
00:31:03Like, I've got a way out.
00:31:05I'm going to, I'm going to be somebody.
00:31:07I'm going to make something of my life.
00:31:09And in the end, we did a phenomenal deal.
00:31:12It was going to be a priority for the whole label.
00:31:14They had to make it work to get the money back.
00:31:16So, yeah, exciting.
00:31:18We got a few grand deposited into our bank accounts.
00:31:21I remember giving my mum and dad some money and them getting the house painted.
00:31:25I was like, this is like, you know, I can help or buy shoes.
00:31:30What made you different from other girl bands?
00:31:35Probably my gob.
00:31:37Oh, there's so much room in this pop industry for another girl band.
00:31:42It's like, the thing is, we're not another girl band.
00:31:45Atomic Hitting came along and they were really different actually.
00:31:48And they felt kind of quite sort of hometown glam, I guess.
00:31:53They were a little bit more low rent.
00:31:54Um, but kind of unashamedly so.
00:31:57You know, Kerry Katona was like a breath of fresh air.
00:32:01You know, some bands are like, this host night, they're like,
00:32:02oh, you know, don't talk to me, you know, I'm too good for you.
00:32:05And like us, we're like, all out, love, how you doing?
00:32:07You're coming in the house for a couple?
00:32:09You know what, we're just out having a laugh.
00:32:11You know, we're not going to be any different just because you're on the telly,
00:32:14man, you know, get it sorted.
00:32:16You can try to tell somebody what's going to happen to them,
00:32:19but they're not going to listen.
00:32:21They're just, like, too excited.
00:32:22All their dreams are coming true.
00:32:25Or so they think.
00:32:27You know, because the reality is getting a record contract is being given a ladder.
00:32:31You still have to climb it.
00:32:34Now, with a major label behind them,
00:32:37no expense was spared launching the Kitten's debut single,
00:32:41Right Now.
00:32:43You know, Right Now to this day will always be my favourite song.
00:32:46Ever.
00:32:47Because it's the first time I ever walked onto a set going,
00:32:49oh my God, this is real.
00:32:51We're on our set, aren't we?
00:32:53It's our first film.
00:32:55Bit scary.
00:32:56It's amazing, innit?
00:32:58It was just unbelievable.
00:33:00I was like, fucking hell, this is really happening.
00:33:03This is, like, legit shit.
00:33:04Making me feel that I want it.
00:33:08Just making me see that you know what I need.
00:33:12With Right Now, the lyrics, they were a little bit spicy.
00:33:15We almost weren't allowed to perform it on live and kicking because of the lyrics.
00:33:19Mama, baby, do it to me good now.
00:33:23Do it to me slowly.
00:33:25At the time, I did not even know what that was saying.
00:33:28I was just saying the words.
00:33:30It was, like, hidden...
00:33:32Well, actually, it wasn't a very hidden meaning at all.
00:33:35Make me believe that you want it.
00:33:38If I saw my 16-year-old daughter on stage singing that, I'd probably go,
00:33:44oh, that's weird.
00:33:46But we weren't sexualised at all back then.
00:33:49Come on, girls, give me some juice!
00:33:50We were just, like, jumping around in trainee's jeans and, like, little crop tops really chaotically.
00:33:59So I think because we were so girl-next-door, it dampened down the meaning of the lyrics a little bit and we got away with it.
00:34:09So come on, baby, do it to me good now.
00:34:13I think it was a Sunday night, everybody would listen to the Top Ten.
00:34:17It was a thing back then.
00:34:20We're at my mum's flat.
00:34:22What number are you?
00:34:23Ten!
00:34:25And when we first heard that we were straight in at number ten, that was huge!
00:34:31Are you happy?
00:34:33Are you crying?
00:34:35It was a moment of validation.
00:34:39I think especially all the hardship I'd gone through as a kid growing up and the bullying.
00:34:43It was a bit like, yeah, but look at me now.
00:34:45The Kittens followed up with two more Top Ten hits.
00:34:50So, baby, see ya, alright.
00:34:54I wanna wanna be ya tonight.
00:34:58We've seen them loads, five times. We've seen them on concert.
00:35:03We saw them on concert.
00:35:05We good?
00:35:06Good job.
00:35:07And soon won fans across the globe.
00:35:10Prom stars.
00:35:11I wanna go to Top Keon.
00:35:14But it is a wicked joke, let me tell you.
00:35:17I'm excited.
00:35:18I did.
00:35:21It's like landing on a different planet in a sense of the furthest away I've been is probably Benador.
00:35:27I only went on a plane once with my foster parents.
00:35:29Next thing you know, I'm travelling the world.
00:35:31What are the chicks on now?
00:35:32The chicks on now!
00:35:33The chicks on now!
00:35:38It was incredible, but it was a million miles away from home and they've got no parents there keeping us in line, keeping us in check.
00:35:46I'm running amok maybe.
00:35:50A night on town!
00:35:52A night on town!
00:35:56When I look back, I wish there was more of a adult presence there all the time.
00:36:03Like, my chaperone used to take me back to my hotel at 9pm and she'd go home and I'd go out.
00:36:08Cos, you know, the reality of it was, we're always on this, like, fun escapade, but I suppose when all that quiet and down and you went to bed,
00:36:21it was like, oh, you know, there was a loneliness that came with it as well.
00:36:26I think that's why we drank a lot.
00:36:28Like, you know, we did like, we did like a drink, I think, you know, you have a drink, you get to sleep easier.
00:36:34You don't have to be in your head as much.
00:36:38Why?
00:36:44Ching ching!
00:36:46Mystique had scaled the charts with their debut single, but their dealings with industry gatekeepers wouldn't always be so straightforward.
00:36:55Ching ching!
00:36:57I think a lot of people, you know, make comments that they compare us to this and this child, but for us...
00:37:03The only comparison really is that we're three girls.
00:37:05Yeah.
00:37:06Black girls, yeah, because we don't get it compared to Atomic Kitten.
00:37:09Yeah, that's very true.
00:37:10She's got a point.
00:37:11Yeah, she's got a point.
00:37:13Was there problems at media level with exposure for black people?
00:37:18Yes.
00:37:20That is the answer.
00:37:21We didn't get initially the kind of support that maybe other girl groups that we would consider ourselves, you know, on the same level as we maybe weren't invited to the same premieres.
00:37:33It could have been anything.
00:37:34When we were, like, our PR company was pitching to get us covers for magazines, you know, some magazines would be like, oh, well, we can do something inside with the girls, but, you know, they wouldn't consider us for a front cover because they didn't think that three black girls would sell magazines.
00:37:51There was a lot of that, and at times it was offensive, but it was something that I was going to let live with me? No. Am I going to make that opinion stop me? No.
00:38:02It's not going to stop us? No. We're going to continue.
00:38:06I think, you know, you've just got to have self-respect and just don't let nobody treat you how, you know, treat others how you want to be treated.
00:38:12Our struggle to get there was definitely not as easy as it would have been had we had one white member or we'd been an all-white girl group, for sure.
00:38:22But I think that when you're in situations like that, you have to look at, like, how you're going to do it.
00:38:26And how we're going to do it is through our music is by being so successful that you cannot say no to us.
00:38:33And that's what we did.
00:38:36Mystique followed up with a string of hits.
00:38:39The group's debut album, Lickin' On Both Sides, smile on my side.
00:38:46The group's debut album, Lickin' On Both Sides, smile on my side.
00:39:00Here we come again with my vibing.
00:39:02Here we come again with my vibing.
00:39:06The group's debut album, Lickin' On Both Sides, smashed into the top three.
00:39:12Having a top three album as your debut album in this country as a black girl band, that was pioneering.
00:39:20Listen, people, everybody here that supported us from Day Dot, you know who you are.
00:39:23Thank you so much, girls and boys.
00:39:27Big up, Mystique. Big time.
00:39:29A ten out of ten. Definitely.
00:39:32It took a long time of us charting with our music to get people's attention and respect.
00:39:38And we did go to those things.
00:39:39We did end up doing really top-note, high-class stuff.
00:39:42We performed at Buckingham Palace, for Pete's sake.
00:39:45You've got to imagine, there are 200 million people watching around the world.
00:39:54And we're three black girls coming from the underground, urban scene.
00:40:00So, for us, to be asked to perform on that stage was such a big deal.
00:40:07It might have been William and Harry that requested Mystique, but we got that book in.
00:40:12OK, we've gone platinum, but, you know, in this country, there's so many other countries around the world.
00:40:20So many things we've still yet to do as Mystique.
00:40:27Just over a year after forming, the Kittens went on tour with the Smash Hits Roadshow.
00:40:32What's that? What's that?
00:40:34Playing gigs up and down the country with some of the biggest bands around.
00:40:38What's that? How are you?
00:40:41How's it chilling out?
00:40:43Apart from the Topic Kittens, I don't know what they're doing.
00:40:45One of my favourite jobs was going on the Smash Hits Roadshow.
00:40:49It was like the closest I'd get to being a pop star without being a pop star.
00:40:52Absolutely busy. Yeah.
00:40:54Are you? We are. We are.
00:40:56Soaking up that sort of chaos and the anarchy.
00:40:58Get out!
00:41:00I don't know who we are.
00:41:02Let me in.
00:41:04Westlife were definitely sort of one of the most popular pop bands in the country.
00:41:09What's your favourite member of Westlife?
00:41:11What would you do with him if he was here now?
00:41:16I mean, the Westlife fans were mental.
00:41:20I remember being backstage and Liz went, oh my god, oh my god, there's Westlife.
00:41:32Hello.
00:41:34Quick, quick, quick, quick.
00:41:38Do you want me phone number?
00:41:40That was so funny.
00:41:41Oh my god.
00:41:43I had to hold the bizarre and he went...
00:41:47We end up in the Westlife dressing room having a laugh and a giggle with them all.
00:41:52We've been in Westlife's room all day and they keep flirting with all three of us.
00:41:56No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, with Kerry.
00:41:59I'm not complaining to you.
00:42:01I think nearly every one of the Westlifers has asked me out.
00:42:04But, yeah.
00:42:05Brian took a shine to me and I was like, look, I'm not going to be another notch on your bedpost, mate, just because you're in a boy band.
00:42:12But he really made me laugh.
00:42:14And, yeah, I fell madly in love with him.
00:42:25This is my anniversary present to Brian.
00:42:28I was happy for her.
00:42:29Like, who doesn't want to see the mate all loved up and happy?
00:42:32Like, I was absolutely over the moon.
00:42:35There was not one part of me that thought, oh, she shouldn't be doing this.
00:42:42It was like Romeo and Juliet in the new millennium.
00:42:47The record companies were furious.
00:42:48The R went absolutely fucking apeshit.
00:42:53It was definitely bad for the band.
00:42:56Not from my point of view but from, like, the label and management.
00:43:02They were like, you cannot be seen with one of the boys in the biggest boy band in the UK
00:43:08because fan jealousy is a thing.
00:43:11They belong to the fans.
00:43:15No one else is allowed to go near them.
00:43:18Louis Walsh, the manager, he hated it.
00:43:22No, he was not happy about it.
00:43:25I remember Louis Walsh going, I don't like you.
00:43:28You're trouble.
00:43:30I was like, I don't like you either.
00:43:32I don't fucking work for you.
00:43:34The risk that I worried about was that it would hurt their business quite badly
00:43:37so we were very meticulous in hiding what was going on.
00:43:41Coats overheads and all that.
00:43:43So much so that many months went by, really, before the press really got onto it.
00:43:46I mean, I think when Kerry started to see Brian McFadden as a pop star crossover, wasn't it?
00:43:54They were on the front of those magazines every single week.
00:43:58They were tabloid fodder.
00:44:00My first job was working at the Daily Mirror in 2000,
00:44:03underneath the editorship of Piers Morgan.
00:44:06And the thing is, I think in general, the public didn't want to read that everything was brilliant
00:44:10so we were always looking for negative stories because misery sold.
00:44:16And I think everybody, celeb-wise, kind of must have lived a pretty nerve-wracking life,
00:44:22wondering if their life was going to be exposed.
00:44:25Oh, my God. The dreaded press.
00:44:29Oh.
00:44:31Obviously, when I started dating Brian, they start digging into your past.
00:44:35Oh, my God. My real life was, well, you know the story.
00:44:41It was just crackers behind the scenes, wasn't it?
00:44:45It eventually starts coming out and your page-free photographs get out there,
00:44:50and about my mum, about my foster homes.
00:44:55It was really tough. It was really, really hard.
00:44:59And then I fell pregnant.
00:45:01I got pregnant at 20.
00:45:04I was a baby. Me and Brian were babies.
00:45:07Then when it actually got out in the papers, I couldn't handle the press.
00:45:12I couldn't handle the fame. I couldn't handle it.
00:45:15I just wanted to be married and have kids and create that family unit.
00:45:21And I was just like...
00:45:23It's all yours, girls.
00:45:26We've got Atomic Kitten here, everybody.
00:45:30How are you?
00:45:34First up, Kerry, congratulations on everything that's happening to you.
00:45:37The baby and everything.
00:45:39Sad news this week, though, about you and the band.
00:45:41Yes, I'm leaving Atomic Kitten.
00:45:43You are? When are you actually going, oh, isn't it sad?
00:45:45It wasn't a surprise to me.
00:45:48When she left the band, she'd been struggling a lot up until that point.
00:45:56Like, she had started to miss a lot of work.
00:45:58And seeing my best friend so unhappy, so I just thought, if it made her happy leaving and going off with Brian and running off into the sunset and having a baby, then I just backed her. I was like, go do it.
00:46:16Even though I was gutted and I was absolutely terrified of what was going to happen to the band.
00:46:21And how did you feel about that?
00:46:24We were worried that it was going to be the end if Kerry left, because she was the focal point that we built the band around.
00:46:32We had to find a replacement.
00:46:34So I was praying that it was all going to work out.
00:46:39Were you hoping that when you left the band that the press attention would die down?
00:46:43Yeah.
00:46:44I actually thought, if I just leave the band, go be a mum and a wife, I'll be grand.
00:46:55Nah.
00:46:58And Brian left me anyway.
00:47:03Turned to drugs to cope with it.
00:47:07It was just a really tough time.
00:47:10And I got so much shit for it.
00:47:12They were vile. The journalists were vile over the years.
00:47:17Me mum had done rounding the routes all the time.
00:47:19I think one of them went to me mum's with a bag of coke.
00:47:23She ate a load of cash and she did a story on me.
00:47:26You know, everyone just ends up selling you out.
00:47:31And all you want to do is be loved.
00:47:33You just want to make people proud.
00:47:34It can be quite evil, you know, when you just try and do the best you can do.
00:47:41And sometimes it's not good enough and you make mistakes along the way.
00:47:45A lot of it, most of it was my own doing.
00:47:47You've got to take responsibility.
00:47:49But fame's a really fucked up thing.
00:47:51I think that as we got further, towards the middle of the noughties, the scrutiny that celebrities, especially female ones, had to deal with, got a lot worse.
00:48:07It was a pretty relentless time.
00:48:08Multiple different sort of magazines all sort of competing against the newspapers for stories and exclusives.
00:48:18So the stories themselves then became more and more extreme.
00:48:25It was catching them unawares.
00:48:27They don't want to be seen like that.
00:48:29There definitely was this sort of dark undertone around the celebrity world.
00:48:33I think sometimes the lines are crossed too much is the point that it becomes a little bit out of control.
00:48:38Yeah.
00:48:39And I think that people need to pull back the reins.
00:48:41You won't find any scandal on us.
00:48:43We're good girls.
00:48:44We sing about scandalous things, but we're not scandalous.
00:48:45No, we're not scandalous.
00:48:46We're really good girls.
00:48:48There wasn't, like, heaps of bad press about Mystique.
00:48:52I mean, there were a few things, you know, a couple of made-up stories here and there.
00:48:57But we didn't really get bashed.
00:48:58But we weren't really giving them much fuel, either.
00:49:03Because we just kept going, kept moving, kept working hard.
00:49:07And having conquered the UK charts, Mystique set their sights on the ultimate prize.
00:49:22As an urban artist growing up in the UK, your eye is always on America.
00:49:28Because America was always held on its own pedestal.
00:49:32If you've got something coming out in America, you have to work it.
00:49:38So you have to go radio, you have to go everywhere.
00:49:40And obviously we know how big that place is.
00:49:42We do, like, we need something special to make this happen for us in America.
00:49:51The girls' answer was a song they co-wrote for their second album.
00:49:56You know you want to sing with us.
00:49:59The anthemic Scandalous.
00:50:01That's why you know you should be scared of us.
00:50:03Woo!
00:50:04Woo!
00:50:05Woo!
00:50:06Woo!
00:50:07Dangerous, just get it out.
00:50:08Don't pay you more.
00:50:09So Scandalous, it's all about the two of us.
00:50:13A one-night scare just ain't...
00:50:15The track soon captured the attention of Hollywood and the makers of a $100 million blockbuster.
00:50:22Scandalous was selected to be the theme song for Halle Berry's Catwoman movie.
00:50:29That was just huge for us.
00:50:37We're really happy to be here.
00:50:38Big, big fans of Halle Berry.
00:50:40Everybody loves Catwoman.
00:50:41She's sexy.
00:50:42She's dangerous and she's Scandalous.
00:50:44So it makes sense.
00:50:46I remember at the time being like, oh my gosh.
00:50:48I mean, Halle Berry.
00:50:50It's got a character that I think women will really relate to.
00:50:53I think we like to see ourselves become empowered.
00:50:56We were doing pretty well in the States.
00:50:58Our promotion had been going well.
00:51:00We were charting and really starting to get some momentum.
00:51:04And what happened next?
00:51:07I try not to remember all of that.
00:51:10I don't really remember the downs, but I do remember the highs.
00:51:15In the background, in the UK, our record label that we were signed to, Telstar, was going bust.
00:51:25And they went bust.
00:51:27And we were owed a lot of money.
00:51:30A lot of money.
00:51:32It was a really stressful time.
00:51:34Just couldn't believe it.
00:51:35Like, how?
00:51:36How does that happen?
00:51:38At the time, I wasn't working with Mystique.
00:51:41I'd already left Telstar.
00:51:43And then the news came that Telstar had gone down.
00:51:46And I have to admit that I was quite sad.
00:51:49And also probably wasn't that surprised because they were spending a lot of money.
00:51:54If you think about it, where they came from, when it's small and embryonic, which Telstar was at the beginning, it becomes manageable.
00:52:01Then all of a sudden, they become successful and there's lots of different elements.
00:52:04It becomes a lot bigger.
00:52:05And it can become very unwieldy.
00:52:07Things just start to spiral out of control, particularly cost-wise.
00:52:11And they really suffered from it.
00:52:13We did have the momentum of our recent success in the States behind us.
00:52:23So we didn't think that it would be hard to move on and get another deal.
00:52:30But apparently it was.
00:52:34It's weird.
00:52:35Like, it happened so quickly.
00:52:38And then it was done.
00:52:41After 12 million records sold, Mystique's journey came to a sudden end.
00:52:46My management at the time, they ended up getting Alicia a solo deal instead of getting Mystique as a group their deal.
00:52:59At the time, I didn't really, like, understand why.
00:53:04But also, I'm never, like, one to, like, want to stomp on people's dreams, you know?
00:53:10And if she had that opportunity, she should take that.
00:53:13That's the whole point of, like, Mystique and that sisterhood.
00:53:16And so I just cheered for her from behind the scenes and was just like, all right, go on, just do your thing.
00:53:22I don't know if I would have been a good solo artist because I need the ensemble.
00:53:27I need the group.
00:53:28I need that girl power.
00:53:34Mystique were no more.
00:53:36In 2001, Northern Girl Band Atomic Kitten was still very much in the game.
00:53:42And with three top ten singles, it was the album market where they now set their sights.
00:53:47The album came out, got to number 39.
00:53:54It was a disaster.
00:53:56Disaster.
00:53:57And, er, we get the call from the record label.
00:54:01Our parent company have said, you've spent too much.
00:54:04I think they've already spent, like, at least one and a half million.
00:54:06The album's done nothing.
00:54:07Drop them.
00:54:08I went, oh, God.
00:54:11Virgin had spent a lot of money.
00:54:12He weren't going to get it back unless they sold ten million records.
00:54:15Please give me one more shot.
00:54:17I've got to do this.
00:54:19So we were told, right, we're going to do one more song.
00:54:22We then had a problem, though, that we'd already recorded all of Kerry's vocals.
00:54:27How are we going to replace her?
00:54:29When it was decided that there would be a new member of the band, a few names were thrown about.
00:54:35And I was like, I have the perfect person.
00:54:44I should say I'm Jenny Frost, who was in Precious originally.
00:54:48And then from a summer kitten.
00:54:51Say it again, say yes.
00:54:54Say the words I heard you whisper.
00:54:57Mancunian singer Jenny had already had a taste of girl bands
00:55:00when she performed with Precious in the Eurovision Song Contest.
00:55:04You said to me, say it again.
00:55:08The Eurovision, I think we came second to last or something.
00:55:11You know, it was political, obviously, because we were amazing.
00:55:17We were amazing.
00:55:19But the record label dropped us.
00:55:22Me and Jenny were like party friends.
00:55:26Like, we always bumped into each other when we were out at the weekend.
00:55:30Natasha Hamilton, God bless that ruthless girl.
00:55:34She said, it's all right, I've already had a word with Jenny Frost from Precious.
00:55:37Could have been seen or felt quite brutal to Kerry.
00:55:41But the other side of it is, we've got no time to stop the train.
00:55:47Tash's words actually were, we've started the press.
00:55:51It's been released in two weeks.
00:55:53If it doesn't go well, we're going to get dropped.
00:55:56But would I join them and perform whole again the next day?
00:56:00I think it was.
00:56:01I was like, yeah!
00:56:02Yeah!
00:56:03That sounds great!
00:56:04Yeah, let's do it!
00:56:05Now it's time to meet three other wild girls with a new look.
00:56:08So get your claws out for the kittens.
00:56:11With new bandmate Jenny, the kittens debuted their new single,
00:56:17knowing their entire musical future depended on it.
00:56:23If you see me walking down the street
00:56:26Staring at the sky
00:56:29And dragging my two feet
00:56:32You just passed me by
00:56:34But it still makes me cry
00:56:37That you can't make me whole again
00:56:40Looking back on where we first met
00:56:46I cannot escape and I cannot forget
00:56:52Baby, you're the one
00:56:54You still turn me on
00:56:57You can make me whole again
00:57:01The first live performance, that was scary.
00:57:04But also, they've already done the video with Kerry.
00:57:07But baby, if you change your mind
00:57:10So they said we need to reshoot the video with you in it
00:57:13Just can't go on
00:57:14It's already been too long
00:57:17But you can make me whole again
00:57:20We were up against U2 at the time
00:57:24So we both released on the same day
00:57:26We didn't think we'd touch anywhere near U2
00:57:29And after the first day, we'd like outsold them double
00:57:32And then all of a sudden it was number one
00:57:34It's absolutely brilliant
00:57:38It's such a... I'm speechless
00:57:40It's just such an achievement, you know
00:57:42We beat one of the biggest bands
00:57:44You know all feelings lads
00:57:46Pop has bitten us on the arse
00:57:48It's a fag
00:57:49We are definitely, definitely, most definitely up for a few jobs
00:57:52It was like David and Goliath
00:57:54And that was not supposed to happen to us
00:57:57It's like the three northern working-class girls
00:58:02They won the battle
00:58:04Not only did we win it, we annihilated those around us
00:58:08Now on top of the pop's three very happy girls
00:58:11It's Liz, it's Jenny, it's Tash from Atomic Kitchen
00:58:13Hello! Hello!
00:58:15If Kerry decided she wanted to come back, right, ever
00:58:18Would you be a four-piece?
00:58:20I don't think she would have to come back
00:58:22But what if she did?
00:58:23If she did, I don't think it would work
00:58:25I never felt bad for Kerry because she'd made a decision
00:58:29She had chosen she wanted to be with Brian and have a baby
00:58:32And blah-de-blah, so that was her path
00:58:36I don't know Jenny all that well
00:58:38I've got nothing bad to say about Jenny because I don't know her
00:58:40But I wish her the best of luck
00:58:42I mean, she was handed it
00:58:44She was
00:58:46You're welcome
00:58:48I went for it and it worked out
00:58:51Maybe she regrets leaving the band
00:58:53Whether she admits it or not, I don't know
00:58:55Jenny took a massive risk, but that risk paid off immensely
00:58:59Because she came into a band who had an instant number one
00:59:02And we flew from that moment on
00:59:07Following the runaways' success of Hole again
00:59:09The record label decided not to drop the band
00:59:12Instead, they re-released the album with Jenny's vocals replacing Kerry's
00:59:16Number one
00:59:19This time, it made it to number one
00:59:23The Hole again just propelled us to, I'd say, superstardom
00:59:27Before that, we were just, you know, some kids in a pop band
00:59:30Welcome to party in the park, everyone for the Princess Trust!
00:59:33Hey!
00:59:34Now we're playing in the top league
00:59:40It was like grow up quick
00:59:42Time to get my shit together
00:59:45I believed that what we'd achieved career-wise up until that point
00:59:50Was only just scratching the surface
00:59:53And there was so much more to come for us
00:59:55And there was!
00:59:57This is China to my ex
01:00:02Social media was dark
01:00:04Little mix!
01:00:05It used to really hurt
01:00:06People would pick us apart
01:00:09We wanted to be the biggest girl band there was
01:00:13Not in a million years did I think that I'd be like, hello ID, Keisha
01:00:19Atomic kick!
01:00:20I couldn't wait to get off stage every night
01:00:26And I don't think I've even ever sold that to anyone
01:00:50No plans for my kids for free
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