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00:01We've got breaking news out of Fresno today.
00:04A 16-year-old girl is missing,
00:06and the man she was last seen with
00:08says Bigfoot might be to blame.
00:11We have so many missing people,
00:14missing hikers, missing campers.
00:16It's nonstop in the Sierras.
00:22A local wilderness expert named Skip Welch
00:25had taken the girl up to Ghost Canyon
00:27for a Bigfoot adventure.
00:30He returned, but she is still missing.
00:35So what do you think of that story about this guy, Skip,
00:38took this 16-year-old girl up in the hills,
00:41and Bigfoot took her?
00:44Bigfoot's out there!
00:49I want to know if she actually is gone
00:50or if she's still out there.
00:52There's got to be some kind of evidence of her.
00:54The search continues today,
00:55but the Red Town has lost
00:57she must have multiple periods.
00:58It's been almost 40 years since Theresa Beer vanished without a trace,
01:11and I believe she deserves to be more than just a headline.
01:16My name is Jessica Chobot.
01:18As an investigator of The Unexplained,
01:20I have spent years investigating Bigfoot all across the country.
01:25But I've never seen a case like this before
01:27where Bigfoot was involved in a missing persons investigation,
01:31let alone a possible suspect.
01:42A 16-year-old girl vanishes into thin air,
01:47and there's all these human suspects.
01:49But the town took Bigfoot's involvement really seriously,
01:56and I want to know why.
01:58I've been obsessed with the Theresa Beer case for decades.
02:02So now I'm launching a brand-new investigation
02:04to finally solve this case once and for all.
02:07And I've recruited one of the smartest investigators
02:10on the West Coast to help me bring someone to justice.
02:14I want to find out what happened to Theresa Beer up on that mountain.
02:19My name is Robert Collier,
02:21and I investigate missing juvenile cases in the state of California.
02:25You name it, I've seen it all.
02:27And I've closed over a thousand cases in my career.
02:30I believe the truth always comes out.
02:33And the Theresa Beer case has always intrigued me.
02:36I want to solve this case both for Theresa Beer and her family.
02:44I would love to crack this case.
02:46Let's do it.
02:47Let's go find her.
02:48All right.
03:06So let me pull up the map.
03:18All right.
03:19OK.
03:20You ready?
03:21Yeah.
03:22All right.
03:23Take a right.
03:24All right, taking a right.
03:27You know, I'm going to tell you from an investigator's point of view,
03:30a lot of things are not adding up.
03:32And it's just so frustrating because there is no answer to really what happened to Theresa that day.
03:40Where is she?
03:41Where'd she go?
03:42Even though it's been almost 40 years, I really feel that we can solve this.
03:47A good investigator will look at every angle and listen to everybody they interview
03:53and piece everything together like a puzzle.
03:55The fact that Bigfoot is a suspect in a missing person's case blows my mind.
04:06We've got this teenage girl who's missing.
04:09Why is everybody focused on Bigfoot?
04:14I've explored some of the craziest mysteries of all time.
04:18From your standard ghost story all the way to cryptid to UFOs.
04:23I mean, pretty much anything paranormal or weird.
04:26But I've never seen or heard of anything honestly like this.
04:37Look at the town we're in.
04:39People out here truly believe Bigfoot exists.
04:42Based on everything that I have studied about Bigfoot, this type of behavior, Bigfoot attacking someone, is so rare.
04:59In 1980s in Fresno, they're big into Bigfoot, right?
05:04Yeah.
05:06Locals have probably experienced some things that would lead to them believing that Bigfoot is real and actually living out there.
05:13But why does this case remain unsolved?
05:16That's what I want to know.
05:18You know, looking at the newspaper articles, the information we got, the media, I mean, they really ran with that.
05:24Yeah.
05:25You know, I think there's a whole back story here we're missing.
05:28When I conduct an investigation, I want to know the background of somebody.
05:32How they grew up, where they grew up.
05:37I think there's two key figures in this case that we need to look at.
05:41The first is Teresa's uncle, Blind Johnny.
05:44He was her guardian and he was the only one willing to take her in.
05:47And then there's Skip Welch, a local expert who researched Bigfoot in the 1980s in this area.
05:55He agreed to take Teresa to the mountains to Ghost Canyon to look for Bigfoot.
06:00And he claimed that Bigfoot took her.
06:04It's huge when you don't have two of the main people in her life, like Blind Johnny and then obviously Skip, right?
06:12They're both deceased. It's not like we can question them.
06:15Right.
06:16So the witnesses and her family members are the only people that we've got left to learn more about what actually might have happened.
06:27I've got it arranged so that we can meet and speak with Teresa's stepsister.
06:31The first thing I want to do is to figure out what type of person Teresa was from somebody that knew her best.
06:37Luckily, Mandy did agree to meet with us, Mandy being Blind Johnny's biological daughter and Teresa's stepsister.
06:46I want to know that family dynamic.
06:47Yeah.
06:48It's important to the case.
06:50And then Teresa herself, what was her mind frame? Was she trying to get away from something?
06:54By all accounts, Teresa was a loving teenage girl with her whole life ahead of her.
07:03And it's sad to me that that was tragically cut short.
07:06I'm just hoping that at least we tell a little bit more of her story so that she's seen as a person and not just this headline.
07:17Oh, yeah. There's somebody over there.
07:18Somebody sitting over there.
07:19There we go.
07:20Hello.
07:24Hi.
07:25Hello.
07:26Hi, I'm Jessica.
07:27Mandy.
07:28Mandy, nice to meet you.
07:29Robert.
07:30Nice to meet you, Mandy.
07:31Right.
07:32We understand that this is a very sensitive subject.
07:35Can you give us a little bit more detail on, like, the type of person Teresa was?
07:43Like, me and her were close.
07:45She was, like, the one I wanted to be around.
07:47See what I mean?
07:48So you guys were really close.
07:49Yeah, until she went.
07:55How different were you guys in age?
07:56She was, like, I think five years older than me.
07:58Five years?
08:00We're always together.
08:01Okay.
08:02Like, we're the dorks.
08:04She was the oddball, and I was the oddball, so...
08:11She was just happy.
08:13Not girly, like, you know what I mean?
08:14Tomboyish?
08:15Not really super tomboyish.
08:16Mm-hmm.
08:17Like, climbing trees and just not caring about getting dirty.
08:23You know, we went camping and stuff. Like, we just had fun.
08:26Okay.
08:27Loving, loving each other and just, you know, being sisters.
08:30It's very obvious that Mandy still feels a lot of pain about what happened.
08:39I don't know if you ever truly can get past something like this.
08:43There's pictures of all of us from back in the day.
08:45You describe her as a really fun going.
08:47Oh, yeah.
08:48She's always smiling.
08:49She's smiling.
08:50Good-hearted girl.
08:51Oh, yeah.
08:52Simple kind of, like, if someone wanted to manipulate her, they probably could.
08:56Oh, okay.
08:57So she would be, like...
08:58Very trusting?
08:59Very trusting.
09:00Okay.
09:01Okay.
09:02If you told her that the sun was purple, she'd leave you.
09:04She could be convinced.
09:05She can be convinced.
09:06Okay.
09:11But do you remember or know why she left to go live with Johnny?
09:16I don't think that the grandparents could handle her.
09:18Because she was, like, super energized.
09:19It was all over the place.
09:20You know what I mean?
09:21And they were old, old.
09:22So I think that's why he ended up with her.
09:25This is a very difficult-to-track family dynamic.
09:32What we know about Teresa and her home life is that she was essentially passed around from house
09:36to house and eventually ended up with her uncle, Blind Johnny, out here in Fresno.
09:40And he's really the only one that seemed to take an interest in her.
09:43And I want to know more about him.
09:45Johnny, which is Blind Johnny, is your biological father.
09:50Biological father.
09:51Okay.
09:52My dad went blind at 18.
09:54Okay.
09:55He played Russian Roulette.
09:58He spun it, shot it.
10:00The bullet stayed inside his head.
10:01It didn't come out.
10:02Wow.
10:03Okay.
10:04That's how he picked up that nickname, Blind Johnny.
10:06Yeah.
10:07Okay.
10:08My upbringing with him was not good.
10:10That's the main reason why I don't really care for him.
10:13Okay.
10:14Okay.
10:15Do you know if your dad knew Skip for a long time?
10:20Were they friends?
10:21I don't know.
10:24Okay.
10:25Okay.
10:26Do you think Skip took her up there to the mountains and then tried to hurt her in a way?
10:37Maybe.
10:38Maybe.
10:39Like I said, easy to manipulate, easy to convince.
10:45Skip was the last person to be seen with Teresa, but we don't know a lot about him.
10:51He was a dark unknown in Fresno, just like everybody else.
10:56Let me ask you something.
10:57Do you put any thought into the Bigfoot theory that the media came out?
11:01I don't believe in that.
11:02What is your opinion on that?
11:03I don't believe in Bigfoot.
11:04Okay.
11:05I think that's just his excuse.
11:07Mm-hmm.
11:08I want to know if she actually is gone or if she's still out there.
11:12It's like, I want to know.
11:19Because if she did die and if she did run away, there's gotta be bones out there somewhere.
11:26There's gotta be some kind of evidence of her.
11:29That's all I want to know.
11:31Where's my sister?
11:33Going over everything that Mandy told us, I feel like I'm on an emotional roller coaster.
11:49Sure.
11:50And this is day one.
11:51Yes.
11:52So I'm hoping that it actually gets easier as we go because we understand more of the facts.
12:00The next thing that we want to do is talk to an expert who has researched this case.
12:05Well, this place looks kind of awesome, actually.
12:08Right?
12:09Cool coffee spot.
12:10Yeah.
12:11And if there's anyone that can shed light on what happened to Teresa, it's local historian Jay O'Connell.
12:16You're Mr. Robert.
12:17Yeah.
12:18Nice to meet you.
12:19Great.
12:20He's been studying this for years and years and years.
12:22He's really done his research.
12:25So let me ask you a question.
12:27How did you end up collecting all this information?
12:29Well, on a fluke, I was listening to this Bigfoot podcast.
12:34And one of the disappearances was this 16-year-old girl in 1987 who disappeared from Fresno.
12:43There's a Bigfoot culture alive and well in Fresno.
12:46Oh, yes.
12:47I mean, it's still alive and well, right?
12:48Yeah, huge.
12:49All over here.
12:50Yeah.
12:51You know, I mean, this ran into Fresno B, man, myth, or monster.
12:54So, I mean...
12:55And so when did this come out?
12:5685.
12:57Bigfoot was definitely a part of pop culture.
13:00To me, the central irony here is the thing that's blamed for her disappearance is, ironically,
13:07the thing that's kept her story alive.
13:10This story, it really just kind of tapped into exactly what the newspapers and the public wanted to hear.
13:20Not to mention that in a town full of believers, I mean, this was right up their wheelhouse.
13:25From their perspective, I could see where they might seriously consider Bigfoot as a legitimate suspect.
13:31So you're saying Bigfoot was the headline on this?
13:34Yes, that was the hook that got me interested in it.
13:37And so I contacted Fresno Police Department on a public records access.
13:41Right.
13:42This is a police report.
13:43This is a remarkable document.
13:44And I'll give this to you.
13:45That would be great.
13:46I got a whole box of stuff here.
13:48Jay did some hard work.
13:50I mean, what better information to have than the original police report and the interviews that the detective made in this case?
13:57That's huge.
13:59If you guys are going to go deeper into this, it's going to get weird.
14:05What have you learned about Teresa?
14:08She got taken to social services and she lived in foster care for a number of years.
14:12Right.
14:13And then she went to live with her great-grandmother.
14:16Got it.
14:17So she lived with her for a short time.
14:18I mean, this woman must have been in her late 70s by this time.
14:20Right.
14:21Yeah.
14:22And then, to blind Johnny, her uncle.
14:24Now, there could be some times when maybe she shuffled around a little bit more.
14:28Okay.
14:29But in broad strokes, that's the, you know.
14:31That's the timeline.
14:32Here's this article about blind Johnny.
14:37And he says something here that I think illustrates his character.
14:41They're talking to him like he's this bereaved uncle.
14:43And he says, man, she's dead, or she's been sold into slavery.
14:47Okay.
14:48Who says that?
15:02You're saying blind Johnny was probably in on this?
15:12That's the theory.
15:14And then you get into Skip.
15:16He was a avid Bigfoot believer.
15:20He went to Fresno State to this anthropology professor and had a whole stack of photographs.
15:25Oh, he actually pursued, like, solidly pursued it.
15:28Skip was well known.
15:29You go up into Sierra National Forest, you can find people up there today that will say,
15:33oh yeah, that guy, he was crazy for Bigfoot.
15:35Yeah.
15:36Okay.
15:37Okay.
15:40Skip would take college students to a place called Gus Canyon.
15:43You won't see Gus Canyon on a map anywhere.
15:47If you guys talk to Skip's nephew, James Welch, he will tell you that there is a rock up there with a design etched in it.
15:56And Skip believed it was a sacrificial rock.
15:59Skip was into sacrifices to the devil.
16:02I mean, there's some weird in this story.
16:04Okay.
16:05Oh, my God.
16:06I know, I know, I know.
16:07Skip actually does, on top of believing in Bigfoot, also practices, for lack of a better phrase, dark magic.
16:15Oh, yeah.
16:16Okay.
16:17Yeah.
16:18That's a big part, in my mind, of the Ghost Canyon sort of weirdness.
16:22Okay.
16:23If you want to get into this, talk to Michelle.
16:26Michelle went up there with them in 86, the summer before.
16:31Teresa.
16:33She'll tell you some that will knock your socks off if she tells you half the things she told me.
16:37Okay.
16:38Luckily, she had a couple guys with her on this trip up there with Skip.
16:43They're convinced they were seeing Bigfoot.
16:45Scared the out of them.
16:52Now, I don't believe in Bigfoot, but I was up in Gus Canyon by myself.
16:56Do you know what I heard?
16:57What?
16:58I heard a series of loud knocks.
17:00So I stopped.
17:03Walked again.
17:04I heard it again.
17:05I don't know if I ever want to go back.
17:11What would it mean to you if we were able to get further answers into this case and actually find out what happened to Teresa officially?
17:18Well, if you found answers, that would mean, you know, yes, that would mean a lie.
17:22I just felt for this little girl.
17:25Everybody counts or nobody counts.
17:29Teresa Beer counted.
17:30Yeah, she did.
17:31Yeah.
17:32That was interesting.
17:34I mean, my head's spinning.
17:36Mine is too.
17:38So knowing what we know, who do you think we should hit up first?
17:41We need to talk to Michelle.
17:43He took her to Ghost Canyon a year prior and she had a traumatic time there with Skip.
17:48Okay, yeah, I agree.
17:49Hello?
17:50Hi, is this Michelle?
17:51Yes.
17:52Hi, this is Jessica Chobot and I'm with Robert Collier.
17:53We're looking into the Teresa Beer case.
17:54Who is this?
17:56Jessica Chobot.
17:57Okay, what do you think we should hit up first?
17:58We need to talk to Michelle.
18:00He took her to Ghost Canyon a year prior and she had a traumatic time there with Skip.
18:03Okay, yeah, I agree.
18:05Hello?
18:06Hi, is this Michelle?
18:08Yes.
18:09Hi, this is Jessica Chobot and I'm with Robert Collier.
18:14We're looking into the Teresa Beer case.
18:18Who is this?
18:21Jessica Chobot and Robert Collier.
18:24And we were just wanting to know if we could get your point of view in regards to Skip.
18:30Oh, what do you guys want to know?
18:34Just kind of what happened when you were up in Ghost Canyon.
18:39We received information that Skip, Russell Welch, had taken you up there a year prior and you had a pretty bad event.
18:46I hear you.
18:50I hear you.
18:51Again, it's really hard.
18:53The reason we're invested in this case is that I'm a law enforcement officer.
18:58I investigate missing juvenile cases and I'm really, really interested in it and getting these answers and so is Jessica.
19:05And maybe I'd love to hear your opinion on what you think occurred.
19:13Okay.
19:15Bye.
19:16Bye-bye.
19:17I think she plays a key part painting that picture in our head on what went on and what Skip was like.
19:26I want every detail on that night up there because I think that's going to give us a really good picture of what Teresa went through.
19:35I hope we're going to get that.
20:00Is this it?
20:03I believe this is it.
20:05Is that somebody back there?
20:07Hi, Michelle.
20:08I'm Michelle.
20:09Hi, Michelle.
20:10Hi, Michelle.
20:11I'm Robert.
20:12Hi, Robert.
20:13Hi, Jessica.
20:14Hi, Jessica.
20:15Thanks for meeting with us.
20:16Yeah.
20:17Appreciate it.
20:18I know it was a long time ago and I know this is pretty hard to talk about, but we look at you as really part of the key to understanding what happened to Teresa because you experienced something a year prior when you went with Skip.
20:32You know, tell us maybe a little bit from the beginning on why you went.
20:37I was 16.
20:38I'm impressionable.
20:39And I'm thinking, okay, what am I going to see?
20:43You're curious.
20:44You want to know if there's Bigfoot.
20:45It was friends with Chandy, Skip's daughter.
20:47Okay.
20:48That's how I met her dad.
20:50He was into Bigfoot.
20:51That was his life.
20:53He was obsessed with that canyon.
20:56So something was always drawing him back to that?
20:59Drawing him back, yes.
21:00So we talked about going up there to see.
21:03We had a trip planned with Chandy.
21:05The day we're supposed to leave, he told her she can't go.
21:08Oh, really?
21:09Yes.
21:10He said, you're not going.
21:11So some friends were there, Corky and Sam.
21:14And they said, well, she's not going with you alone.
21:17So they came with me and Skip.
21:20It took eight hours to hike.
21:22Whoa.
21:23It was a long hike.
21:25By the time we got to where we camped at, it was getting dark.
21:35And I built a fire.
21:38And everybody's just kicking back.
21:42And I do remember Skip saying, look at that.
21:44There's Bigfoot across on this other hill, like far away.
21:48And that's when I started seeing stuff.
21:54I thought that I saw some movement.
21:55In the bushes, a white looking demon thing.
22:00It had the ugliest demon face on it.
22:04It kept staring at me.
22:07So, I mean, you could just see the evil in it.
22:12It was just ugly and evil.
22:14It was terrifying.
22:16Yeah.
22:17Skip was kind of mad, told me to calm down.
22:22And his demeanor changed.
22:24Like, I mean, he'd never yelled at me the whole time until we were up there.
22:28Why do you think he would get mad at you if you were a scared, you know, young girl?
22:32I'm not sure.
22:33OK.
22:34But it was different.
22:35He kept telling me, be quiet, be quiet, and go get in the sleeping bag and lay down.
22:41So, I went and laid down.
22:44I remember putting the sleeping bag over my head.
22:47And then Sam and Corky told me that that demon thing went into me.
22:55And I ran almost off the cliff.
23:00They caught me when I was, like, two steps from going off a cliff.
23:05Like, I should have been dead that night.
23:07Right.
23:08Right.
23:09Based on Michelle's account, something strange is obviously going on up in Ghost Canyon.
23:15So, I want to go to that location myself so that I can explore it and find out what that could possibly be.
23:22With the experience that you had in Ghost Canyon, do you think that Theresa went missing because something within that canyon either was after her or took her or attacked her?
23:35Um, it's hard to say because that next day, everything was at peace.
23:40It's like everything that was there, I felt like everything that was there was gone.
23:44OK.
23:45And Theresa, I mean, if he talked to her about it, like, he talked me into going.
23:49So, um, that's why she went.
23:51She had no money, just her and him.
23:55So, is it your impression then that Ghost Canyon itself is just kind of inherently evil?
24:00I think it's evil.
24:01OK.
24:02You think pure evil lives in that game?
24:03Yes.
24:05Yes, I do.
24:08Whatever was up there is really bad.
24:10It was evil.
24:12And people can think I'm crazy, but I know what I saw up there.
24:21OK.
24:22You ready?
24:23Let's do it.
24:24I just want to put some faces to names.
24:26All right.
24:27So, Blind Johnny.
24:28When I approach any case, you've got to be methodical at it.
24:30Skip.
24:31Theresa.
24:32You have to look at everything from every angle.
24:33Obviously, we've got Bigfoot.
24:34I want to look at all the police reports to answer the questions that weren't asked back
24:39in 1987.
24:40You don't realize how large this land is.
24:41It's huge.
24:42People get lost here all the time.
24:44You have to look at everything from every angle.
24:47Obviously, we've got Bigfoot.
24:50I want to look at all the police reports
24:52to answer the questions that weren't asked back in 1987.
24:56You don't realize how large this land is?
24:59It's huge.
25:00People get lost here all the time.
25:03Missing persons, murderers, bodies getting dumped.
25:08You know, it's like a needle in a haystack.
25:09So let's just go over what we've got right now.
25:17There's blind Johnny, Teresa's uncle and guardian.
25:21We've got Skip.
25:23He took Teresa up to the mountains.
25:27I have no doubt that this guy maybe in his past
25:29or his time in the mountains has had a sighting
25:32or come across something he saw weird that didn't look like a
25:34bear, didn't look like anything else,
25:36didn't look like a person.
25:37And so he actually believed that with Bigfoot.
25:41That brings me to Ghost Canyon.
25:43Skip took Michelle up there.
25:45She said it was a traumatic experience.
25:47And apparently around these parts,
25:49people don't talk about Ghost Canyon.
25:51It's like forbidden for some reason.
25:53Ghost Canyon is mysterious.
25:56There's a strangeness about it.
25:58And it's not on any map, which is unusual.
26:02Plus, it's also a treacherous hike.
26:08In this area, people just go missing all the time.
26:12Sandra Hughes went missing up near here in 2020,
26:16and then Stacey Aris in 1981.
26:19In both of these cases, these women vanished without a trace,
26:23just like Teresa did.
26:26There's probably countless more that we don't know about.
26:28I mean, people go missing all the time in the woods.
26:31And sometimes there is no explanation,
26:33or you can't explain it, why they went missing.
26:36There's something going on there.
26:37And it's actually part of a crime scene
26:39in this missing person investigation.
26:42There might be some things up there that are left from Skip
26:45that we might find.
26:46I don't know.
26:49I see your point about Ghost Canyon,
26:51and I feel like we need to go check that place out.
26:54Yeah, let's do it.
26:56I am down to go anywhere to figure out
26:59what's going on with this case.
27:04I think Ghost Canyon actually holds a lot of secrets,
27:07and Bigfoot's probably just one of them.
27:09I think Ghost Canyon is the key to all of this.
27:19When we get there, we're going to feel what went on
27:22with Teresa back then.
27:24I mean, we might encounter something.
27:25You never know.
27:27This is my wheelhouse.
27:28I love paranormal.
27:30Do you think that Ghost Canyon is as evil
27:36as everyone says it is?
27:38Because I know I'm thinking it might
27:40be a paranormal hot spot.
27:41OK, so it does have a scary feeling to it.
27:44I completely agree.
27:45Yeah.
27:46Completely agree.
27:49We're heading into the Sierra Nevada mountains,
27:51which any paranormal investigator knows is a Bigfoot mecca.
27:55I mean, there have been thousands of sightings stretching back
27:58all the way to the 1800s.
28:01Most recently, in 2022, a farmer said
28:04that he saw an entire Bigfoot family carrying off the pigs
28:08from his farm about 60 miles from here.
28:12Looking around, you can see why these mountains would
28:15be Bigfoot's ideal habitat.
28:17I mean, you're surrounded by these dense forests
28:19and rugged terrain, total protection from any humans.
28:24There's also a ton of creeks and rivers for water
28:26and lots of plant and wildlife for food.
28:29This area has everything a Bigfoot needs to thrive.
28:35Bigfoot and them going to the hills was Skip's thing.
28:41It wasn't just Michelle.
28:42It wasn't just Teresa he took up there.
28:44He took tons of people up there.
28:45Apparently, he took many more people up there.
28:49We know Skip has taken a lot of people to Ghost Canyon,
28:52including a guy named Kenny Cook.
28:54And we are fortunate enough to arrange a meeting with him.
28:59That's got to be him.
29:00Yeah.
29:01It's got to be him.
29:03Kenny actually went with Skip up to Ghost Canyon
29:06to look for Bigfoot when Kenny was younger.
29:11And he had a really unique experience
29:13with Skip up in those mountains.
29:16And I want to find out what that is.
29:20Hi.
29:22Kenny?
29:22Yes.
29:23I'm Robert.
29:24Robert?
29:25Nice to meet you.
29:25Hi, Jess.
29:26Jess, nice to meet you guys.
29:27Nice to meet you.
29:28We're up here reinvestigating the Teresa beer case.
29:31And apparently, you spent time with Skip, right?
29:33Yeah, I spent three days up here with Skip.
29:35Three days.
29:36So how often would you come up here with Skip?
29:38I've only been up here with him once.
29:39What convinced you to go with him up here?
29:43He was a firm believer in Bigfoot.
29:45And I was very young.
29:46I was 16, 15 at the time.
29:48And it was bonding time with my girlfriend's brother
29:50and her dad, to be honest.
29:52So who was your girlfriend?
29:53Chandra, his daughter.
29:54His daughter, OK.
29:55Came up here just to go spend the weekend
29:57and see what we could see.
29:58So how long was it before Teresa beer went missing?
30:01When did you come up here?
30:02I was up here two years before.
30:05I saw some things up here that I couldn't explain.
30:07And I'm not really sure what I saw.
30:09Yeah, well, I want to get started.
30:11So let's grab our gear.
30:12Sounds great.
30:12All right, let's do it.
30:24It's a surreal feeling to know that we're walking
30:27the same path that Skip probably took Teresa down back
30:31in 1987.
30:34I feel a little sad.
30:36And I'm hoping that this journey will shed some light on what
30:40happened to her.
30:45All right.
30:45Well.
30:46What's up?
30:47I don't see the trail anymore.
30:48Kenny, do you know which way to go?
30:49It's not on any maps, but yeah, right through here.
30:51All right.
30:51Yeah, GPS looks like that way.
30:57Getting a little tangled.
30:58Hold on.
30:59Yeah.
30:59I'm good.
30:59I'm good.
31:00I'm good.
31:00For me, Ghost Canyon felt like the actual land itself was
31:12watching you.
31:14There's a power there, you know, an area of high strangeness,
31:18where it's almost self-aware.
31:21And it's watching you to see what you're going to do,
31:24and then it's going to react accordingly.
31:27Yeah, this part over here is pretty treacherous, guys.
31:29Be careful.
31:31Make that rock.
31:38I'm feeling watched.
31:41Getting to Ghost Canyon, the terrain was rough.
31:44Steep canyon walls, boulder fields with high growth of bushes
31:49and trees, and I noticed it was very quiet.
31:53There was no wildlife moving.
31:54Didn't hear any birds chirping.
31:57It was just a very eerie feeling, like maybe
32:00you shouldn't have been there.
32:02You good?
32:03You all right?
32:03Yeah, here.
32:04We're doing a chain.
32:08Got it?
32:08Yeah.
32:09You good?
32:09Yeah.
32:10Oh, me.
32:11I'll kill you right there.
32:13Can you help you?
32:14Huh?
32:15Well, that's what I was telling you guys
32:16when I first came here.
32:17It was crazy.
32:18There were so many places one could fall.
32:23As I look around at this potential crime scene,
32:26this is really treacherous ground here.
32:31Aunt Theresa would be at a tactical disadvantage out here.
32:34It's remote.
32:36And if she needed any kind of help, she would be on her own.
32:39There's nobody coming here to save her.
32:41Hey guys, I think we're getting pretty close.
32:44Let's do it.
32:45If you can see the debris field of all these boulders coming down?
32:47Yes.
32:48Wait.
32:49You experienced what it was like to climb across them.
32:50I thought...
32:51Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
32:52When I came down, what?
32:53Do you see something?
32:54I thought I saw something move up there.
32:56Like right up there.
32:57Well, now it's gone, though.
32:58And it moved which way?
32:59Left.
33:00Left.
33:01Right there.
33:02Right around there.
33:03And it just went super quick.
33:05Brown.
33:06Huh.
33:07Multicolor brown, too.
33:08Like not one dark shade.
33:11I saw what looked like brown hair kind of dashed behind a tree.
33:18And I tried to rationalize it with, maybe that was a bird.
33:24But then I realized there were no birds in the sky.
33:27In fact, it was perfectly silent, which I thought was really strange.
33:33People were not kidding about this place.
33:36Kenny, is it right up there?
33:46Yes, right up here.
33:47All right.
33:48Good.
33:49I see something.
33:50Yeah.
33:51Big flat rock up there.
33:55This is Ghost Canyon.
33:56This is it.
33:57We did it.
33:58We made it.
33:59This is awesome.
34:01So Skip used to camp here.
34:04I imagine he did right here in this grass.
34:06I mean, think about it.
34:07Why not pitch a tent like that?
34:08I would.
34:09With these views?
34:10I would.
34:11I mean, check this out.
34:12Is this what you remember, Kenny?
34:14Yeah.
34:15Yeah?
34:16It was, I think, I believe it was August 1984.
34:19We spent the first two days up here just, you know, tripping around.
34:23I was trying to fish in streams and stuff.
34:25And every tree stump, oh, there's a big foot, there's, you know.
34:28And I was tired of hearing it.
34:30And then after the third day, we go up into the box of this canyon here.
34:33And I come across a stream probably 12 feet across, maybe 14 at the most.
34:38It's got maybe six inches of water and a big giant sandbar right in the middle of it.
34:42And right in the middle of that giant sandbar is this giant foot-shaped hole.
34:47Like right dead center in the middle of this sandbar.
34:50I go a little further and I come up to where there's a little gorge.
34:55And the other side, I see this.
35:00What looks like a white gorilla.
35:02White.
35:03What?
35:04Yeah, I had white, grayish white fur, grayish black skin.
35:09And that's all I saw.
35:10I couldn't really tell the nose.
35:11I couldn't see anything.
35:12It's what I saw looking at the barest bit of his shoulder.
35:15And I sat my butt down right there and waited for it to blink.
35:19I had a staring contest with something.
35:24Maybe it was Bigfoot.
35:26It's possible it was Bigfoot.
35:28I personally think it was an old one.
35:30But it never moved, never did anything.
35:33So I climbed down to go get there.
35:35And in doing so, I had to turn my back on it.
35:37When I got to the other side of that creek, that big white rock, there was nothing behind
35:44it except green ferns.
35:45And it looked like the ground had been trampled.
35:47Yeah.
35:50At this point, I'm going, whoa, hey, Skip.
35:52Hey, I think I just saw something.
35:55Okay, well, it's time for us to go.
35:57So I'm following him out of the canyon and I start to hearing something moving to my left.
36:01And I'm hearing something moving to my right.
36:03And he's telling me to go throw a rock at it.
36:05I'm like, I'm not going to piss off something that weighs 600 pounds.
36:07Are you stupid?
36:08Hell no.
36:09No.
36:10And then I start hearing this noise.
36:13Yep.
36:17Yep.
36:18Really?
36:20Yep.
36:24And did it scare you?
36:25It scared the crap out of me.
36:26Are you kidding?
36:27Hearing big heavy things moving on either side of me.
36:29This thing's making noise.
36:30I'm following him.
36:32He's all freaked out.
36:33He says, there's something up there.
36:34Yeah.
36:35Sounds like it's hitting a tree with a baseball bat.
36:37I went, really?
36:38Crack!
36:39Oh, you heard it.
36:40Oh, yeah.
36:41We start lighting a fire.
36:44Crack!
36:45Happens again.
36:47And a tree comes down right next to our camp.
36:51And we turned around and ran the hell out of here.
36:53We're out of here.
36:57You guys.
36:58You guys jetted.
36:59Once the tree comes down on top of our campsite, yeah, we're out of here.
37:01We're out.
37:04Based on everything that I've seen and heard today, I definitely think that Bigfoot is in this area.
37:10But as far as I know, it's relatively unheard of for Bigfoot to attack humans.
37:15And at this point, we still don't have any direct evidence pointing to Bigfoot in this case.
37:22So Teresa's out here by herself with this man.
37:27I mean, you knew him.
37:28You were up here with him.
37:29What's your take on his disposition and how he approached these things?
37:32I think he felt that he was made special because of his association with any kind of Sasquatch.
37:39He felt himself elevated because of it.
37:42I have to ask you something.
37:44Do you think Skip had anything to do with Teresa Beer going missing?
37:53I still don't believe my heart of hearts that he came here and killed that girl.
37:57You know, that being said, if she fell down a hole, he would assume Bigfoot got her.
38:03Yeah.
38:04And he would go to his grave believing that.
38:06Why do you feel that he did not kill her?
38:10Because in the three years that I knew him, I never saw him react violently to anybody.
38:14Truly.
38:15I thought he was a pacifist.
38:16I saw several occasions where I thought he should have reacted violently, and I probably would have, but he did not.
38:23I found it very interesting what Kenny Cook said about Skip, that he didn't have the propensity for violence.
38:29And I found him to be a credible witness.
38:31I mean, he gave us some really good insight from his point of view on who Skip was.
38:36Honestly, that is where I swing back and forth.
38:40Did he actually do something?
38:42Did she hurt herself by accident?
38:44He was dramatic enough to want to leave a deathbed confession, if he were, is my opinion.
38:51But he did not leave a deathbed confession.
38:53Nope.
38:55Oh, my God, my brain.
38:57I know.
38:58You bring a 16-year-old up to the mountains and she disappears.
39:00If you don't feel guilty, you're a sociopath, aren't you?
39:03Right.
39:04I think it was possible that in his mind he was telling the truth about Sasquatch.
39:19So let's take a look at the evidence.
39:21Because I found Kenny's take on this very compelling.
39:25I absolutely do believe Bigfoot is up in that area.
39:29But if Bigfoot was attacking people, like actually going after them, I do think you'd have more evidence up there.
39:36And you'd have so many more reports that attacks were happening up there.
39:40But we're just not getting that.
39:41We're not seeing that.
39:42We're not hearing that.
39:44I'm not convinced.
39:45He's involved in Theresa's disappearance.
39:48And up to this point, I thought it was Skip.
39:50But then after talking to Kenny, I'm not so sure.
39:52I'm actually surprised.
39:56He called Skip a pacifist.
39:59He never saw him become violent with anybody, even in instances where he could have been violent.
40:06And he wasn't.
40:08So if Bigfoot's not responsible for Theresa's disappearance, and Skip's not responsible for Theresa's disappearance,
40:16then who's responsible for Theresa's disappearance?
40:22We've got a plethora of information here, especially the police reports and Jay's investigative information that he has supplied us, which is huge.
40:37All right. Well, I'm going to start looking.
40:39All right.
40:42What I want to focus on next is Blind Johnny.
40:44I want to focus on Theresa Beer's home life.
40:46I want to know more about why Blind Johnny, her uncle, let her go with Skip that day.
40:52It begs the question, and I wonder, was Theresa trying to escape something?
40:56Was she trying to get away from her home life?
40:58I don't know what their relationship was.
40:59I don't know what Blind Johnny's relationship was with Skip.
41:02Maybe it was closer than what I know, but I want to get to the bottom of that.
41:08Oh, check this out.
41:10What? What'd you get?
41:12So on the morning Theresa disappeared, the school called Blind Johnny, asking where Theresa was, and he said she was sick.
41:20Well, that didn't happen. She was off with Skip.
41:22So you're telling me Blind Johnny lied about where Theresa was?
41:26Yeah.
41:28Why would you throw the school off the scent?
41:31So that begs the question, why was he covering for Skip?
41:34Exactly.
41:36This phone call situation with Blind Johnny, that is a huge red flag situation for me.
41:42Why would Blind Johnny lie to the school? Doesn't make sense.
41:47Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.
41:48What'd you find now?
41:49This is the interview that Jay had with Tammy.
41:52Uh-huh.
41:53Tammy being Blind Johnny's ex-girlfriend.
41:56Right.
41:57So after all this happened, when Theresa disappeared, was he, Blind Johnny, acting like he knew nothing?
42:05And she says, it didn't matter. He don't know nothing. He played stupid.
42:10He got away with all kinds of stuff. You have no idea.
42:14He would shoot drugs and we used to sell meth, him and Tammy.
42:19So Blind Johnny is not just a user.
42:22He's a, he's selling.
42:23He's also selling.
42:27I got another one. Here's the statement.
42:28Do you remember Theresa at all? Yeah, I remember her. What was she like?
42:31She was a scared little girl. She was mentally messed up. She was fearful. She was timid.
42:35He wanted us young girls there to weigh out the because us girls, we can't get in trouble like an adult because they're underage.
42:42So he's basically using these girls to get his drugs.
42:46To be drug mules and then potentially, based on Tammy's interview, selling girls to his friends.
42:52Do you think Blind Johnny sold her to Skip or said, hey, you can go do whatever you want with her?
42:57I could see there being, for lack of a better phrase, an exchange of goods.
43:02Hey man, you owe me blank for whatever.
43:06Oh, well, you know what? Cut me a deal and I'll toss in Theresa.
43:11That's a huge statement.
43:15Blind Johnny's absolutely dead center in my crosshairs.
43:19He's a drug dealer. He's doing drugs.
43:21He is using the underage girls that stay with him as drug mules.
43:26And on top of that, he lied to the school in regards to where Theresa was.
43:30In my opinion, he very well could have set something up.
43:39What were your thoughts when you heard that Theresa went missing?
43:42The son of a bitch killed her.
43:44There's gotta be more to this.
43:46Who was the real Skip?
43:48His great dad.
43:51He was really loving.
43:53Theresa Beard is one of the possible victims of the Speed Freak killers.
43:56Wait, what?
43:59James made contact and told him that he knew that the girl was dead.
44:05The man was evil.
44:08Period.
44:11He was screaming at everyone to stop while they were digging up the yard.
44:14It could be in the basement with Theresa.
44:18Holy .
44:20I found bones!
44:21I found bones!
44:22I found bones!
44:23You
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