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00:00Hello and welcome along to the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked, your official visualized companion
00:05podcast with me, Ed Gamble. Now you know the drill, make sure you've watched episode five
00:10before you dive into this because there are spoilers galore. Coming up, Charlotte Church
00:15chats to me fresh from murder and I reveal the identity of our traitors. Her reactions are
00:20priceless. We'll be hearing from another dearly departed faithful, it's king of the side eye,
00:25Tom Daley. Plus it's two for one on faithful finalists as Alexander and Leanne return from
00:30series three. Alexander, Leanne, such a delight to have you on Uncloaked. We were hoping to
00:40have Helen Mirren as well, but I'm too young to know who she is. Not a clue. And was it
00:45Julie Dench? No idea. I am Gen Z. Look, we've got another packed episode to feast on. We've
00:53got Charlotte Church coming up. Mere minutes. But first of all, the mother of all cliffhangers,
00:58the roundtable vote is a tie. Players, it is still a draw. Therefore, we will now leave
01:07this banishment to the hands of fate. It's a double deadlock. This has never happened
01:13before. This has never happened before in the history of UK traitors. Yeah. So this is absolutely
01:18huge. So tense. Obviously, you guys did not go through this, leaving up a banishment to fate.
01:23But do you have any sense of how they might be feeling? You obviously know how tense the
01:27roundtables are anyway. But with that on top of it, how are those guys feeling?
01:31I mean, it's a lot, isn't it? Because if you're voted out, that's one thing. You say,
01:35well, I played the game the best I could. And unfortunately, I got voted out. I kind of
01:38know how that feels. It's an honest exit, right? You did what you could. You didn't make it.
01:45That's fine. But I think it's different being thrown out with chants. You'd always look
01:48back and say, well, if only the coin had fallen differently or whatever they use. I hope it's
01:52really theatrical. Is the traitors. Yes. Because we don't know what it means yet. We don't
01:57know how their fates are decided. Well, it's just going to be a bit disappointing for whoever
02:02goes out, isn't it? Rock, paper, scissors? Yeah, I think that sounds reasonable. Yeah.
02:06Or maybe an arm wrestle. Maybe we just go, oh, spin the bottle or something like that. I think
02:10spin the bottle might be a different game. It ends differently, doesn't it?
02:12How would you feel if you were in that situation, Leanne? Oh, horrible. Not the spin the bottle
02:18thing. I mean, specifically. I think we should move on. Oh, honestly, I think, you know, because
02:26it would be such a sinking feeling. Like, like Alexander just said, they hadn't been voted
02:30out. Yeah. You know, it's literally left to chance. We don't know how yet. But, you know,
02:35if I left the game from a toss of a coin, say, for example, I'd be devastated. Yeah.
02:40What a cliffhanger. Well, look, whether it's David or Mark that gets banished, one of them
02:44is going to be with me tomorrow night on Uncloak, telling me everything. Now, though, we have
02:49another murdered player. And to everyone's shock, it was Charlotte Church. Straight after
02:53she was offed by a banshee, Charlotte sat down with me in Scotland as I revealed who the traitors
02:58are. Hi, Charlotte. Welcome to Uncloak. Thank you so much. It's so good to be here. Happy to be here.
03:11Join me by the fire. Wonderful.
03:16Very excited to have you here. Of course, the circumstances could be happier. Yes.
03:20You are no longer in the traitors game. No. But I think you had a pretty good stint. Are
03:25you happy with the time you got there? I'm happy with the time I got there. I feel like
03:29I had an experience of most things. I'm sad that I didn't get to experience getting out
03:34a traitor. But I also think that I would have found the intensification, is that a word?
03:43But the intense nature of the game and that becoming progressively more pronounced, that would
03:49have been quite difficult for my little sensitive self. Let's talk about the missions. Yeah.
03:54Because you got stuck in straight away, that first mission before you'd even been in the castle.
03:58Yes. Digging through the grave, looking for a shield. Yes. Were the missions something you were
04:02looking forward to? Yes, absolutely. I think that that was a big part of why I wanted to come in,
04:08to have a challenge, have an adventure. And, you know, those ones which are enormous,
04:14like the Trojan horse was, I mean, it was just so brilliant to be part of that. But yeah,
04:21the first one, as soon as those Land Rovers sped out, I was like, hang on a minute.
04:28All is not quite as it seems. And yeah, I mean, being in the soil is one of my favourite things to do.
04:34And so I had no problem with digging my own grave.
04:37Now, you were very sure you were going to be murdered.
04:41Yes. You were bang right.
04:43Yes, I was.
04:45Why did you think that? Why did you feel like you were going to be offed?
04:48I feel like probably because I was so vocally a faithful, and then I was, I think, good at
04:56representing myself as a faithful. Then I don't, I think that the traitors couldn't use me as sort of
05:03a diversionary tactic in terms of trying to frame me as a traitor. And so then what,
05:09what use was I to them actually, where hopefully, hopefully I might have become,
05:17you know, more discerning as the game would have gone on. And yeah, so I think that I,
05:24I would have been a threat to the traitors had I stayed. And then, yeah, I couldn't, it was,
05:31it would have been difficult for them to really frame me as a traitor. And maybe a couple of them
05:35did vote for me at the round table, potentially, and it wasn't really sticking. So they thought,
05:40she's of no use to us. Let's pop her off.
05:44Rather excitingly, we are going to tell you who the traitors are.
05:49You're going to find out for yourself. I'm going to hand you a scroll. It's right here.
05:52Okay.
05:53But before I do that, I'm going to make you wait.
05:56I'm going to make you wait.
05:56Because I want to know who you think the traitors are.
05:59So by the end of my time, I think my suspicions were on Mark, Jonathan and Celia.
06:08Okay. Those are your top three.
06:10They were my top three.
06:12Why Mark?
06:12Mark, because he seemed to be, I could feel him acting at the round table.
06:19Also, how hard he went for Tamika.
06:24And then with Jonathan, I think that, again, he was becoming more and more of a patriarch.
06:33And he didn't seem to be driving himself as mad as everybody else.
06:38Okay. And who are your definite faithfuls?
06:41I don't think anybody.
06:46Maybe Nick.
06:48Maybe Kate.
06:50Maybe Kat.
06:52But that's it.
06:53Okay. It's the moment, Charlotte.
06:55Oh, my God!
06:56I'm going to hand you this.
06:57The names of the traitors are on here.
06:59We'll go one by one.
07:00Okay.
07:00There you are.
07:01Oh, my gosh. This is so exciting.
07:06Goodness me.
07:07Oh, my God.
07:11Jonathan.
07:14Jonathan!
07:15And you said Jonathan.
07:17I did.
07:17You're one for one so far.
07:19One for one.
07:27Kat!
07:30So, she's one of your close to 100% faithfuls.
07:34She is.
07:34Oh, my gosh.
07:36She's playing an exquisite game.
07:38I really wanted to believe that she was faithful as well.
07:43Here we go.
07:50Alan!
07:53Didn't cross your radar at all, seemingly.
07:55Oh, my good gosh.
07:59Oh, my days.
08:01Alan!
08:02You sneaky little Alan!
08:08Oh, gosh.
08:10Paloma.
08:10She must have been fuming!
08:13Oh, my days.
08:14I think that Jonathan has probably not got long.
08:19But I think that Kat and Alan, oof, that is going to be tough.
08:25Wow.
08:26Wow.
08:30Great reflections from Charlotte there.
08:33Charlotte hasn't been without heat at the round table.
08:35But these traitors don't seem to care about that.
08:39They don't seem to want to just leave people to be banished.
08:41But I do think Charlotte would have been a threat to the traitors.
08:44I think she's a very, very clever woman.
08:46Yeah.
08:46I think she did all the right things, right?
08:48She wasn't too faithful, in my view.
08:51She had some heat on her.
08:52She wasn't too sort of dodgy as a traitor.
08:55So, it wasn't obvious to banish her.
08:57She was right in the middle, which is where you want to be.
09:00And she was good at the mission.
09:01So, I think she got unlucky.
09:02I think she played it really well.
09:03Well, some time's passed.
09:05We were desperate to catch up with Charlotte again.
09:07But she's sadly unavailable today.
09:09So, she sent us a video message and started by telling us
09:12what it's like watching the show go out.
09:14It's been great watching the show go out so far.
09:18I mean, I enjoy traitors anyway.
09:21I hardly watch any telly at all.
09:23But I do enjoy traitors.
09:25And so, yeah, it's just so juicy and everybody's so interesting.
09:28You know, you've got some really amazing people and characters
09:32and brains and experience in that cast.
09:35So, it's been really great to watch.
09:39And I, like I think most of the nation,
09:41have fallen madly in love with Celia Edinburgh.
09:44I'm getting lots of love from my friends and family.
09:49And I've been having a lot of people coming up to me in the street.
09:53The postman the other day was, like, trying to get some information out of me,
09:58trying to catch me off guard.
09:59When I phoned for a doctor's appointment the other day,
10:02even they mentioned it, making reference to my girls.
10:07And that was a little bit awkward.
10:10I think my favourite moment of the series was probably Celia's pop.
10:19Which was just amazing.
10:23Just because she's so cheeky and mischievous.
10:26And, like, yeah, she's just so regal and fabulous as well.
10:32And also, I just love farting.
10:34And I love farting in all of its forms.
10:38I think we should all be doing more fluffing.
10:43Great value, as always, from Charlotte.
10:46Leanne and Alexander,
10:46what are you going to miss most about Charlotte from the game?
10:49Oh, her energy.
10:50She's got so stuck in.
10:52In the missions, she's not holding back.
10:53Her head was straight in that water.
10:55I'm not sure my head would have been in that water.
10:57That's as hard as I can't lie.
10:59Now, we saw in Charlotte's castle chat
11:01that she also suspected Mark.
11:03So, there's so much suspicion for him.
11:05I mean, if Charlotte had still been in,
11:07it wouldn't have been deadlock.
11:08Because I think she would have gone for Mark as well.
11:09What do we think Mark can do,
11:11if he escapes this banishment,
11:13what do we think he can do to bat suspicion away from him?
11:16I think I always had a sort of plan.
11:19I had notes on how I would push suspicion away.
11:21First absorb and say, you know,
11:22yeah, look, that's a fair point.
11:24I can see what you're saying.
11:24It's this and it's this.
11:25And you make a good point on that.
11:27But I would also say,
11:28and then you lay out your defence,
11:29but you do it quickly, right?
11:31You just want as little time on you as possible.
11:33And that's where the third thing comes in,
11:35that you say,
11:35actually, have you thought about David?
11:37Because what I'd be looking for
11:39is somebody who has been quiet for a while
11:42or whatever it is that they've done.
11:43It doesn't really matter what they've done.
11:45You just need a principle
11:46and then make them stick to that principle
11:48and then move it on.
11:49Somebody who's really starting to find his voice is Nick.
11:52Now, Nick is obviously very suspicious of Kat,
11:55but his gameplay around this is fascinating.
11:57Kat has been playing an absolutely brilliant game.
12:00And there was something in the fact
12:03that, you know, she had the shield,
12:05but we chose to not tell everyone
12:06that she had the shield.
12:08I didn't buy that.
12:09And I do think she's slipping under the radar
12:11in the most brilliant way.
12:12But I don't think I'm going to name her
12:14at this point
12:15because I think it's safer
12:17to align myself with her.
12:18How do we rate Nick's strategy here?
12:22Do you know what?
12:22It can go one way or the other.
12:24It could be a really good idea,
12:25you know, to build an alliance with Kat,
12:27because obviously she's a traitor.
12:29But we could have another season two jazz
12:32where he might leave it too late
12:34and then no one's going to listen to him at the end.
12:37And then he's lost it.
12:38He's playing his own little game, isn't it?
12:40Personally, I love it.
12:42I think this is great gameplay.
12:43Find a traitor, sit close to them,
12:45and then ride it a little bit
12:47towards the end of the game
12:47and then turn.
12:49Yeah.
12:49I think that maintaining your behaviour
12:50is so important in the game.
12:53In the first couple of episodes,
12:54as we've seen,
12:55if you do something that stands out,
12:56you run risk of just being banished for that.
12:58Yeah.
12:58But if people see you keep doing it,
13:00like Alan has sort of kept his behaviour
13:02pretty much the same,
13:03Kate Garroway under pressure earlier
13:05because she was sort of
13:06loudly repeating things
13:08that other people said,
13:09which I love.
13:10And then she keeps doing it.
13:12And eventually people just say,
13:13oh, that's just Kate.
13:13No, that's just Alan.
13:14Yeah.
13:14And then you sort of baseline
13:16to a different, different thing
13:18and everyone just accepts you as you are.
13:19And at that point,
13:20you're much, much safer.
13:21So let's talk about Alan's growth
13:23as a traitor.
13:25To be sitting there
13:26and outwitting Stephen Fry,
13:28I mean, it's like beating Albert Einstein
13:30in chess or Cluedo or something.
13:32I just started stuffing cheese in my mouth
13:35because I can't stop grinning.
13:37Isn't it funny?
13:37I was so nervous
13:38when Claudia squeezed me shoulder blade
13:40and now I just love being a traitor.
13:43Do we think he's in danger
13:45of getting too cocky?
13:46If anyone can get away with it,
13:48Alan can.
13:48Yeah.
13:49He's very scatty,
13:51he's very giggly,
13:52very sweaty,
13:53but also from the beginning
13:54he's been throwing names out there.
13:55He's been calling people out
13:56left, right and centre
13:57and he's just getting away with it.
13:58Also, he can get away with saying
13:59really horrible stuff to people
14:01because he's so charming.
14:03Yeah, it's just Alan.
14:04If Alan accused me
14:05of being a traitor
14:06and was horrible out of something I did,
14:07I'd be like,
14:07oh, Alan.
14:08What a joy it is
14:09to be roasted by you.
14:10I think it's one to watch.
14:12I sort of saw him
14:13as a ticking time bomb.
14:14Now I think of him
14:14as a sort of evil genius.
14:15Yes.
14:16And then the next phase
14:17is sort of some sort of karma.
14:18So let's see.
14:19Exploded time bomb.
14:20Exploded time bomb, yeah.
14:21Well, look,
14:21we've had a lot of memes
14:22based on Alan's first few episodes
14:25as a traitor.
14:26In the cloak,
14:26walking around with the lantern.
14:28It's great, though.
14:29Going to put the bins out,
14:30et cetera.
14:31And some of Alan's deflections
14:33have already become
14:34quite legendary as well.
14:35Let's not forget this
14:36from episode two.
14:37Oh, my gosh.
14:38I'm flabbergasted.
14:40Who uses that word?
14:43You can't just call someone a traitor
14:46because they have
14:46a better vocabulary than you.
14:49And that is as good a moment
14:50as any to bring in
14:51the wonderful Tom Daley
14:52from LA.
14:54Hello.
14:55Hey.
14:56Tom, welcome to Uncloaked.
14:58How many times
14:59have you used the word
14:59flabbergasted
15:00in everyday conversations
15:01since leaving the castle?
15:03Flabbergasted is like
15:03one thing, right?
15:04I genuinely was like,
15:05who still uses that word?
15:06It's like saying
15:07whoops-a-daisy.
15:08It's like saying discombobulated.
15:10At least, like, in 2025,
15:11you've got to be
15:12flabby-g'd.
15:14Flabby-g'd?
15:15You've got to have
15:16your flabbers
15:17gasted at some point,
15:18you know?
15:18But flabber...
15:19I don't know.
15:20It was...
15:21It just caught me off guard.
15:23Bless.
15:23But I do love Kate, though.
15:24I feel really bad
15:25that, like, it's come out
15:26and I'm like,
15:26oh, my gosh.
15:27Like, why is she using
15:28that word?
15:29But she's really sweet.
15:30Bless her.
15:31This is what I love
15:32about Traitors
15:32is that you can go in
15:34and start watching the series.
15:35We had no idea
15:36that the word flabbergasted
15:37would take the nation
15:38by storm,
15:39such as it has.
15:40Who knew?
15:41And it's weird
15:41because I'm in LA.
15:42I don't have the...
15:44I'm not, like,
15:45involved in, like,
15:46all of the UK chat as much.
15:48So now,
15:48whenever I see anyone British,
15:50or any time I post
15:51anything on social media,
15:53everyone's like,
15:53oh, flabbergasting.
15:55Oh, this is...
15:56I'm so flabbergasted.
15:57And I'm like,
15:58oh, my gosh.
15:59Like, is this...
15:59And I'm like,
16:00I feel like at some point
16:00I need to knit
16:01a flabbergasted jumper.
16:03I think that's my next thing.
16:04I think you absolutely should.
16:05Have you been enjoying
16:06all of the memes
16:07from the side eye as well?
16:09Yeah.
16:09But I had no idea
16:10that my side eye
16:12was that obvious.
16:14Well, like,
16:14I knew that I gave
16:15a little side eye.
16:16Like, oh, God,
16:16here we go.
16:16But I didn't realise
16:18that my face
16:18literally looked like
16:20I was gurning
16:21into some kind of
16:22side eye monster.
16:24But, you know,
16:25it's...
16:25I mean, it is what it is.
16:26It was so much fun.
16:28I wish I could have
16:28stayed longer.
16:29I can't believe that,
16:30you know,
16:31when I was about to...
16:32You know,
16:33when I didn't come
16:33to breakfast,
16:34I was so gutted
16:35because I was so excited
16:36about all of the missions
16:38to come
16:38and all of that stuff.
16:40But, you know,
16:41it is what it is.
16:43You definitely went
16:44way too early.
16:45I mean,
16:45I'll bring in
16:46Alexander and Leanne here,
16:47but I think Tom
16:47was going to prove
16:48himself to be
16:49quite the useful faithful.
16:50Oh, 100%.
16:51You are such a huge loss, Tom.
16:54I'm devastated.
16:55You brought so many
16:56iconic moments.
16:57You brought Flabbergasted
16:58back into existence.
16:59If you didn't pick up on that,
17:01I don't think it would have
17:02ever been picked up on.
17:03Tom,
17:04during our chat up
17:05in the Highlands
17:05after you left the game,
17:06you were absolutely
17:07desperate to know
17:08how Paloma
17:09had been murdered
17:10in plain sight.
17:11You really wanted to know.
17:13You asked me a lot.
17:13I was under strict instructions
17:14to not tell you.
17:16Now that you've finally seen
17:17Alan touching Paloma's face,
17:18what did you make of it?
17:19Yeah, I mean,
17:20I would never have known.
17:22I mean,
17:22I found myself
17:23trying to be as observant
17:24as possible
17:24with things like
17:26the black lily
17:27and the things with
17:27what animals are up
17:29on shelves
17:29and where are things placed
17:31because I was like,
17:32you never know
17:32when that's going to be
17:33a question and a mission.
17:35You never know
17:35if that's going to be
17:36something that's going to be
17:36used to murder someone.
17:37But, you know,
17:38I didn't pick up
17:39on the black lily at all.
17:42It felt like you were
17:43a kind of great
17:44sort of traitor hunter
17:45and your time
17:46was cut a bit short.
17:47You were super observant.
17:48You watched everybody,
17:50you watched everything
17:50and you certainly
17:51sort of were picking up
17:52all of the information.
17:55Yeah, I think that's
17:55something that as,
17:57you know,
17:57as an athlete
17:58you become quite
17:58a high perceptive.
17:59So when I'm spinning around
18:00and twisting
18:01and turning as a diver,
18:03I have to see
18:04every single thing
18:04when I'm spinning
18:05to know where I am
18:06in the air.
18:06So you learn
18:07to pick up
18:08on these little things
18:09to be able
18:09to keep yourself centered
18:11and be able
18:11to be like
18:12keep yourself safe.
18:13So for me,
18:14walking into a room,
18:15doing the mission
18:16and looking at the gates
18:17and trying to pick up
18:18on all the little bits
18:19I felt were
18:20quite important.
18:22But I think obviously
18:23the traitors
18:23saw that as something
18:26that maybe
18:26if they slipped up,
18:28I might be someone
18:28that might have
18:29been able to sway people
18:30to banish them.
18:32Tom,
18:32I'd just be super interested
18:33to know how
18:34how it was for you
18:35the difference
18:36between what you expected
18:37having seen a few series
18:39and actually what it was
18:40like being on it.
18:41Was it the same thing?
18:42Was it different?
18:43Yeah, I mean,
18:44it was terrifying.
18:45Like, especially going
18:46into that round table.
18:47The only round table
18:48that I was at,
18:49people started coming for me
18:50and I was like,
18:52oh my gosh,
18:52what am I going to say here?
18:54And it was kind of like surreal
18:56to see it all play out.
18:58And, you know,
18:59when you go into it
19:00thinking one thing
19:01and then everybody
19:02has those discussions
19:03and then you end up
19:04being like,
19:04oh, wait,
19:05maybe I've got it wrong.
19:06And then you start
19:07doubting yourself
19:07and you start thinking,
19:09okay,
19:10my name's come up.
19:11Nico's name's also come up
19:12and I feel like more people
19:13are going to vote for Nico.
19:14And then you find,
19:15you find yourself like voting
19:17to try and save yourself
19:18but not necessarily
19:19who you believe
19:20is actually a traitor.
19:21Tom,
19:22you were quite outspoken
19:23with some of your suspicions
19:24in the game,
19:25which was a lot of fun to watch.
19:27Obviously,
19:27you were suspicious
19:28of Kate being flabbergasted,
19:30but you also had your doubts
19:31about Claire
19:32after she messed up
19:33the Trojan horse mission.
19:34You've known Claire
19:35since you were a wee lad.
19:37Did you not believe her
19:38when she was so remorseful
19:39about the mission?
19:41You know,
19:41looking back on it,
19:42of course,
19:43like it makes sense
19:44but knowing that
19:46the traitors met,
19:48I knew that they were
19:48up to something that day.
19:50Like who knew
19:50what it was going to be,
19:52whether it was going to be
19:53ended up being
19:54a murder in plain sight,
19:55were they trying
19:55to sabotage the mission
19:56and something like that.
19:58Yeah,
19:58it looks like an honest mistake
19:59but in this game,
20:01honest mistakes
20:02can cost you your life.
20:03So it's,
20:04I,
20:05yeah,
20:05instantly I was like,
20:07hmm.
20:07Have you spoken to Claire
20:08since the show
20:09started going out?
20:10I mean,
20:11we've got the WhatsApp group.
20:12Of course.
20:13The WhatsApp group
20:14pops off.
20:15Honestly,
20:15I wake up to about
20:1630 messages
20:17and I can't keep up.
20:18It's like going,
20:19it's like the school
20:20WhatsApp groups
20:20with the parents.
20:21You're like,
20:21oh.
20:22And Tamika
20:24is the voice note queen
20:25of two and a half
20:26minute long voice notes.
20:27I can imagine.
20:28And they are played
20:29on fast forward
20:30even though they're
20:31already kind of
20:32in fast forward.
20:33So it's,
20:35yeah,
20:35it's lovely though
20:36because Tamika
20:37reaches out to me
20:38all the time
20:39because obviously
20:39she was banished
20:41in the same episode.
20:42So it's,
20:43yeah,
20:43it's fun.
20:45It's really sweet.
20:45Everybody is really
20:46like excited
20:47and watching it back
20:48together.
20:49It feels like
20:49we've all been
20:50on this journey
20:51together.
20:52So at the round table,
20:54Nico voted for you
20:55and Joe Wilkinson
20:56was also suspicious
20:58and voted for you.
20:59Did you worry
21:00that their votes
21:00might start to give
21:01the other players
21:01ideas?
21:03Yeah,
21:04I thought that
21:05I was going to be
21:06banished in the next
21:07round table,
21:07which is why I was
21:08surprised to be
21:09murdered because I
21:10thought,
21:10well,
21:10my name's going
21:11to come up again
21:12and I'm going
21:13to have to try
21:13and defend myself.
21:15But yeah,
21:16it's really kind
21:17of quite scary
21:17when your name
21:18does come up.
21:18It takes you
21:19and you think,
21:20what did I do
21:21other than try
21:22and win as much
21:23money in the mission
21:24as possible,
21:25running back,
21:25trying to get
21:26and trying to
21:27throw ideas out
21:28there for who
21:29to banish
21:30because in the
21:30beginning,
21:31you've got nothing
21:32to go on
21:32whatsoever.
21:33Like you say,
21:34you just have
21:34to survive.
21:35So if you come
21:36up in the first
21:36round table,
21:38you try to do
21:38anything to,
21:39you know,
21:40make sure that
21:41you're still there
21:41the next day.
21:42Now,
21:42I should say this,
21:43Tom,
21:43I don't want to
21:44grass her up,
21:45but we had Paloma
21:45on Uncloak
21:46the other night
21:46and she was very
21:47suspicious of you
21:48for a quite
21:49specific reason.
21:50Have a listen to this.
21:52I did have Tom
21:52in my head.
21:53I just felt like
21:54his outfit at the
21:55funeral was very
21:56serial killer-y.
22:01It was like
22:01American Psycho
22:03with the buttons
22:03done all the way
22:04down.
22:05And I was like,
22:06oh my God,
22:07he's a psychopath.
22:08Well,
22:09the thing is,
22:11Paloma,
22:12what she was like
22:13wearing,
22:13I love me
22:14the first day.
22:16Like,
22:16so,
22:17who's the real
22:18psychopath there?
22:19No,
22:19I love Paloma.
22:21I think she's,
22:22I think she's great.
22:23And I was like,
22:24you know,
22:24everyone has been
22:25messaging me like,
22:25oh my gosh,
22:26that's the most
22:26inappropriate outfit
22:27for a funeral.
22:29That's like,
22:29I can't believe
22:30he shows so much
22:31chest.
22:31I was like,
22:32did you know
22:32it was a game
22:33and nobody
22:33actually died?
22:34Yeah,
22:35you wouldn't wear
22:35that to a normal
22:36funeral,
22:36Tom,
22:37thank you.
22:37No,
22:38well,
22:39no,
22:39well,
22:39maybe I would.
22:40You know,
22:40some people
22:41appreciate the
22:41jubblies out,
22:42but I don't know,
22:43not everyone.
22:43Look,
22:44if she thought
22:44that shirt was
22:44revealing,
22:45she should see
22:45what you wear
22:46for diving.
22:47You know,
22:47exactly.
22:48There's not many
22:48people that wear
22:49more clothes to
22:49bed than they
22:50do to work.
22:51You could have
22:52got in your
22:52little demure
22:53black trunks.
22:54That would have
22:54been very
22:55respectful.
22:56Yeah,
22:57exactly.
22:57It was probably
22:58the most
22:58respectful.
22:59I felt like I
23:00did dress quite
23:01conservatively
23:02my time there.
23:03I was,
23:03you know,
23:04I wore a suit
23:04on day one.
23:05Yeah,
23:06and you looked
23:06smashing.
23:08Tom,
23:09if you hadn't
23:09been murdered,
23:10you said you
23:10thought you
23:10might be banished.
23:11Did you have
23:11any idea of
23:12what you might
23:12say at the
23:13next round
23:13table to
23:14prevent that
23:14banishment?
23:17You know,
23:17at that point,
23:18you never know
23:18what you are
23:19going to say,
23:20and I think
23:20being able to,
23:21like,
23:21if you were to
23:21plan something
23:22going into a
23:23round table,
23:24it's always
23:25going to look
23:25rehearsed,
23:26and it's always
23:26going to look
23:27like you're a
23:28traitor if
23:28you've rehearsed
23:31and really be
23:32in the moment
23:32and bounce
23:33off of what
23:34other people
23:34are saying.
23:35But I think
23:35the whole time
23:36if I was
23:37going into
23:37that as
23:38faithful like
23:38I was,
23:39I would have
23:40just had to
23:41explain exactly
23:43my reasonings
23:43behind everything
23:44and also give
23:45the understanding
23:46of why someone
23:47might think
23:47that I was a
23:48traitor so
23:49that they feel
23:49heard,
23:50but then also
23:51tell them why
23:52I'm not.
23:53And then you
23:53just have to
23:54wish for the
23:54best because
23:55people are
23:55either going
23:56to believe
23:56you or not.
23:58Leanne and
23:58Alexander,
23:59from an audience
24:00perspective,
24:00who do we
24:01think is
24:01closest to
24:02catching a
24:02traitor in
24:03there at
24:03the moment?
24:04I mean,
24:04Claire Boulding
24:05was really
24:05close to
24:06catching Jonathan.
24:07Also,
24:08Joe Marlow
24:08was really
24:09close to
24:09going for
24:10Jonathan,
24:10but he just
24:10completely
24:11switched at
24:11the round
24:11table.
24:12I feel like
24:13Joe has
24:13lots of
24:14good ideas,
24:14but nobody
24:15really listens
24:16to him all
24:17that much.
24:18And then he
24:18gets swayed by
24:19lots of people
24:20and I think
24:21the way that
24:21they were
24:22looking straight
24:23away at
24:23David,
24:24because he
24:24all of a
24:25sudden voiced
24:25an opinion
24:26when that's
24:27all they've
24:27been asking
24:27everyone to
24:28do.
24:28It's hard
24:30to tell
24:30who might
24:30be close
24:31to catching
24:32so I still
24:33can't believe
24:34that nobody
24:34is caught
24:35onto Alan
24:36because every
24:37turn I'm
24:37just like,
24:38come on,
24:39someone's
24:39got to see
24:40it sometime
24:40soon.
24:41Watching it
24:41back is
24:42almost embarrassing,
24:44isn't it?
24:44Why not?
24:44But I completely
24:46agree.
24:46When you're in
24:47there, it
24:47looks like he's
24:48just being Alan,
24:48so it makes
24:49sense.
24:50They're currently
24:50on the wrong
24:50track with
24:51Mark.
24:52What did you
24:53make of Mark?
24:53There was
24:53obviously a lot
24:54of talk about
24:54his looking at
24:56everyone at the
24:57funeral,
24:57standing aside
24:58staring at
24:58everyone,
24:59whereas he
24:59should have
25:00used your
25:00technique of
25:01just flicking
25:02his eyes to
25:02the side.
25:03That's all you
25:03needed to do
25:03to look at
25:04people.
25:05Yeah, I
25:06mean, exactly.
25:06You just
25:06look to one
25:07side, you
25:07can see
25:07everything.
25:09Yeah, I
25:09mean, it
25:10wasn't so
25:11much that
25:11Mark did
25:12the, I
25:13think, what
25:14people had a
25:14problem with
25:15and why they
25:16thought he was
25:16a traitor.
25:17It wasn't
25:17that he just
25:17kind of like
25:18turned and
25:19did like a,
25:19oh, I'm
25:20just going to
25:20see how
25:20people are
25:21reacting.
25:21He made a
25:22real point when
25:23we were there.
25:24He really
25:24stepped and
25:25really made
25:26sure everyone
25:27saw that he
25:27did the
25:28whole peer
25:29around the
25:29corner thing.
25:30So I think
25:31sometimes if
25:31you're doing
25:32it to be
25:32like, look,
25:33I'm being
25:33faithful, I'm
25:34really looking,
25:35it makes you
25:36look suspicious.
25:37You just
25:37have to, I
25:38always think,
25:39you always
25:39have to, if
25:41I was going
25:41to do it
25:42again, I
25:42would imagine
25:43I was a
25:43traitor and
25:44what would I
25:45do in order
25:46to make people
25:46think I was a
25:47faithful rather
25:48than just acting
25:49in a way that
25:50you are truly
25:51faithful because
25:51that way you
25:53end up being
25:53more suspicious.
25:54Yeah, that's
25:55so clever.
25:55start over
25:56compensating.
25:57Yeah.
25:58Also, David's
25:58up against
25:59Mark in
25:59this banishment
26:00that's left
26:00to fate.
26:01What did you
26:02make of David
26:02when you were
26:02in there?
26:03Oh, he's an
26:04incredibly smart
26:05person.
26:06He's somebody
26:06that is
26:07incredibly,
26:08but he does
26:09sit back and
26:10he just does
26:10observe.
26:11But I do
26:13see why it
26:14might be
26:14suspicious that
26:15all of a
26:15sudden he's
26:16not really
26:16throwing anything
26:17out and then
26:17all of a
26:18sudden he has
26:18an opinion of
26:19who it might
26:19be.
26:20Do you have
26:20a sense of
26:21who you might
26:21have voted
26:22for at that
26:22banishment
26:22tiebreaker between
26:23David and
26:24Mark?
26:24Yeah, I
26:26probably would
26:26have said
26:26Mark because
26:27I feel like
26:27David would
26:28not be banished
26:29from the
26:29round table
26:31so I feel like
26:31he would be
26:32someone that
26:32would get
26:32murdered rather
26:33than banished
26:34whereas Mark
26:34is somebody
26:35that was going
26:35to get
26:35banished.
26:36So towards
26:37the end,
26:37if you want to
26:38survive as a
26:39faithful,
26:40you want to
26:40keep people
26:40in the game
26:41that are going
26:42to get
26:42banished at
26:43the round table
26:43and leave
26:44and leave the
26:44ones that
26:45are likely
26:45to get
26:45murdered.
26:46But again,
26:46these traitors
26:47are doing
26:47things that
26:48you just
26:48never would
26:48have even
26:49thought to
26:50do.
26:50Now, we're
26:51almost out
26:51of time,
26:52but I've
26:52mentioned
26:52already on
26:53Uncloaked
26:53that I'm
26:54actually hidden
26:54in this series
26:55of the
26:55celebrity
26:56traitors
26:56somewhere.
26:57On one
26:57episode,
26:58I'm hidden.
26:59Any ideas?
27:00I'm not going
27:00to reveal,
27:01but all three
27:02of you,
27:02do you have
27:02a guess of
27:02where I might
27:03be popping up
27:04or have
27:04popped up?
27:06I think,
27:07what were they
27:07called in the
27:09mission?
27:09The Banshees?
27:10Yeah, I think
27:11you're a Banshee.
27:12You think I'm
27:12a Banshee?
27:13Well, thank you
27:13very much.
27:13You're welcome.
27:14I'm kind of
27:15hoping you were
27:15in the choir
27:16in the funeral.
27:18Yeah.
27:19Maybe I'm just
27:19projecting here.
27:21I'd love to see
27:21you behind the
27:22mask.
27:23I didn't see
27:24you in the
27:25choir.
27:26You must have
27:26been in one
27:27of those people
27:27that were
27:27pulling people
27:28out of the
27:28car,
27:29fully masked
27:30and cloaked.
27:31Interesting.
27:31What, for the
27:32Chained Up
27:32mission?
27:33Yeah.
27:34Episode three.
27:35All interesting.
27:37Was I in the
27:37choir?
27:38I'm not going
27:39to tell you.
27:39What an awful
27:40reveal.
27:41When are we
27:41going to find
27:41out?
27:42Is it for the
27:44finale reveal?
27:45Yeah, we're
27:46keeping it until
27:46the finale, I
27:47think.
27:47Imagine if one
27:47of you was
27:48close and I
27:48went, yeah,
27:49you're right.
27:50Anyway.
27:53Obviously, if
27:54you've got
27:54guesses at
27:54home, comment
27:55on socials and
27:56tell me where
27:57you think I
27:57am.
27:58An interesting
27:58sentence.
28:00Meanwhile, the
28:00chat continues
28:01over on BBC
28:02Sounds.
28:03I'll ask Tom
28:03how he'd play
28:04the game as a
28:04traitor and what
28:05his husband
28:06thinks of his
28:06time on the
28:07show.
28:07That's in your
28:08bonus episode of
28:09Uncloaked.
28:09Just scan the
28:10QR code on your
28:11screen and then
28:11listen straight away
28:12as you get into
28:13your gym jams.
28:14I'm back tomorrow
28:15night and I'll be
28:15joined by whoever
28:16gets banished.
28:17It's either David
28:18or Mark.
28:18So one of them
28:19will get to find out
28:20who the traitors
28:21are.
28:22Plus, we'll have any
28:23other murdered or
28:23banished players.
28:25Thanks for now to
28:25Leanne, Alexander and
28:26Tom and to you for
28:27watching.
28:28I'm Ed Gamble.
28:29Stay faithful.
28:30If you're still in
28:37shock and need
28:38something to calm
28:38you down, try
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28:41Davies' new comedy
28:42drama about two
28:43friends who might
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