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00:00Hello and welcome to another episode of the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked, the official visualized podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble.
00:08As always, this podcast is riddled with spoilers. If you haven't seen episode 3, then get yourself over to iPlayer and catch up immediately.
00:15Coming up, our latest banished faithfuls, Nico and Tamika, will be here to give us the lowdown on their castle experiences.
00:22We'll also be hearing from Tom just after he left the game.
00:25We've got the exclusive moments where I reveal to them who the traitors are.
00:29It's not to be missed. Plus, joining me in my basement to discuss everything we've just seen, we have Maddie from Series 1 and Freddie from Series 3.
00:42We have a full agenda to get through. Joe Mahler's big dog theory, suspicion rising on all three of the traitors, and of course, an early contender for the best moment of the series, Celia's fart in the cabin.
00:53But first, he couldn't keep the suspicion off him for long and was banished at the first round table.
00:58Nico will be here in just a second. But for now, let's see what he had to say just after he left the game.
01:07Hello.
01:08Welcome, Nico.
01:09Great to see you, Ed.
01:10Come in. Welcome to Unplugged.
01:11Bring it in.
01:12Come on.
01:12I need a hug.
01:13I need a hug.
01:14Absolutely.
01:14You deserve it.
01:16Grab a seat.
01:17Thanks so much for coming on.
01:18Thank you for having me.
01:19We're delighted to have you here. I mean, obviously, we'd rather you're here a little bit later in the game.
01:26That's how I feel as well. I really do wish I was here about two weeks later.
01:30I mean, someone had to go at the first round table. I'm going to be mocked for this for a long time by my friends.
01:38Your friends are going to mock you, are they?
01:40I was talking a big game. You don't understand. I was talking a very big game.
01:44So now I'm in a situation where when they see my face, it's just going to be embarrassing.
01:50And I can't even tell them what's happened.
01:52The moment I got in the coffin, I thought, it's a long day for me because it was me, it was Lucy, and it was Paloma.
02:00Two people who everyone was saying they're the most faithful people, and then there was me.
02:04So I knew it was a clear setup from the jump.
02:07And being a big fan of the show, I know that whenever someone is put in a coffin, whether they're a faithful or a traitor, they always go.
02:14They'll always get X'd off at the round table.
02:18I think they have tried it in the past and realised it doesn't work.
02:21Exactly.
02:21That you put yourself into the situation like the dungeon in Series 2, and people will always suspect you.
02:27So now, no traitor worth their salt would put themselves in.
02:30Never, never.
02:31But regardless, even if people know that, they still can't get rid of that suspicion.
02:34It always, it just brings you to the front.
02:37Yeah.
02:37It's now, instead of having an option of 18 other people other than yourself, it's now you've got an option of two.
02:44Yeah.
02:44So, and when it's me against Lucy who made it so clear and obvious that she's a faithful,
02:49that's why it was a smart move from the traitors to put me in there, because it just meant that the battle became just impossible.
02:57After that, when you're out of the coffin, you know you're going into the round table.
03:01Yeah.
03:01Are you trying to come up with a plan?
03:03Are you trying to come up with a defensive argument?
03:04My mind was spinning.
03:06I was thinking, what's the best direction to go?
03:08I was thinking, do I go for Tamika?
03:10Do I go for Tom?
03:12What should I say in this situation?
03:13What should I say if this is brought up?
03:15The good thing is, because I'm telling the truth, it's quite easy to find those thoughts.
03:21Like, I didn't think there was anything where someone could say which would catch me off guard,
03:25because I felt like all I had to do was tell the truth.
03:29Yeah.
03:30But the issue was, the traitors had done such a good job at just setting it in to the group.
03:38And who knows, it might have been the traitors actually then continuing the charge on me.
03:42Like, Charlotte was very heavy on me.
03:44Jonathan was heavy on me on the table.
03:46Stephen came in on me at the table.
03:48These are big personalities.
03:50But I think people's preconceived notions of me being a prankster, a trickster, all this type of stuff,
03:58it didn't help at all.
03:59And I think it was really good ammo for the traitors to use against me, which obviously they did.
04:04It's an exciting moment, because you get to find out who the traitors are now.
04:08I've been racking my brain thinking who it could be, so I'm very excited for this moment.
04:12Well, I want to hear the result of your brain racking.
04:14Have you got any big suspicions that you want to tell me?
04:16OK, so before the roundtable, I thought it was Stephen.
04:23I thought it was Tamika.
04:27And I thought it was Tom.
04:29Did your mind change during the roundtable?
04:32Jonathan, his reason for it being me, he's clearly been planting that from group to group,
04:39which is trait of behaviour.
04:40So Jonathan's one, still has to be Tamika.
04:45There's no doubt in my mind.
04:47Tom, and then it could be Joe Marler, because he said his gut instinct was it was me when it wasn't.
04:55That wasn't his gut instinct, so that's also not true.
04:58But also could be Charlotte.
05:00I'm just going to add Charlotte as well.
05:02So let's put you out of your misery.
05:03Yep.
05:04I have the important scroll here.
05:06Oh, gosh.
05:08I'll give that to you.
05:09There you go.
05:15There we go.
05:16Jonathan.
05:18Goodness me.
05:20I'm so glad here I said that, so I can say that I changed my mind from Stephen to Jonathan.
05:25Make sure all your friends watch this bit as well.
05:28This clip will be shared everywhere.
05:31OK, here we go.
05:32OK, let's see, let's see.
05:33Next one.
05:34Next one.
05:41Cat.
05:42She got me.
05:45OK, well done, Cat.
05:46Oh, so Cat set me up.
05:49Oh, what?
05:50I was so nice to Cat.
05:51I liked her a lot, but now I don't like her anymore.
05:54She set me up.
05:56She put me in the coffin.
05:58Oh, she's smart, man.
06:01She's smart.
06:03Oh, my gosh.
06:12Alan.
06:13Jonathan, Cat and Alan.
06:16I'm fuming.
06:17So Tamika's not a traitor.
06:18I would have been gone anyways then.
06:22And it's not Tom.
06:24It's Cat.
06:25Jonathan, Cat and Alan.
06:31And he's here with me now.
06:33Welcome, Nico, to Unclosed.
06:34Yes.
06:35Hey.
06:35Great to be here.
06:36Great to be here.
06:37Welcome.
06:38It's nice to have you in a slightly more relaxed setting.
06:41I think you were saying to me just before we watched that together that you were really
06:44going through it at that point.
06:45I was.
06:46I was really struggling in that moment in time because I was still in the game and I was
06:50still trying to work out who it was.
06:52Now, obviously, I know who it was.
06:54Yeah.
06:54It's good to know that I was always right.
06:55I got 100% hit record there.
06:58Yeah.
06:58We've just seen it.
06:59And it's clear to me that you knew who all the traitors were.
07:02All of them.
07:02And your mates can't make fun of you anymore.
07:04No, they can't.
07:04And that's the best part.
07:06How do you feel now?
07:07Now you've had some time to reflect about being the first one to be banished.
07:10I'm still very gutted because I am such a big fan of the show.
07:14So I really was excited to be in that setting.
07:18But like I said there, someone had to go.
07:21Someone had to go.
07:21So, yeah.
07:23It shouldn't have been you, though, because even at the time when we were talking,
07:27I was saying that it's ridiculous that they thought you were a traitor
07:29and you put yourself in a coffin.
07:30Yeah, exactly.
07:31Watching the episode now, I'm even more angry about it.
07:34Exactly.
07:35Exactly.
07:35Because there is no way any traitor would ever do that.
07:38I've seen every single traitor season.
07:40Yeah.
07:41Every single time that happens, they all go.
07:43It doesn't matter if you're a faithful or a traitor, they all go.
07:46They all get eliminated either at the round table or, well, yeah, at the round table.
07:51So I was baffled that everyone thought that I would put myself in that situation.
07:56That's why I was like, come on, at least give me some other evidence that it's me.
08:00Do you think the majority of them did think that?
08:03Or do you think they were hopping on the bandwagon just to get someone out that wasn't them?
08:07Yeah, I do think there's an element of, yeah, that self-preservation where people want to
08:12keep themselves in.
08:14So they're, oh, yeah, everyone's on Nico.
08:16Someone has to go.
08:17Let it be Nico.
08:18Maybe that's part of it as well.
08:20Like, I didn't know anyone going into the show.
08:23I didn't know anyone.
08:23I know that some people knew each other.
08:25Maybe it was more like, I don't want to go against my friend here, especially on the
08:29first night.
08:30Nico, he's an outsider.
08:33He can go.
08:34We should talk about this, not knowing other people in the castle, because I think you were
08:38relying on people not knowing who you were.
08:40Yes.
08:41In episode one, you saw like, we saw that your game plan was, I don't think these people
08:45are going to know who I am.
08:47Basically, what you're saying is these people are old.
08:49They don't know how to work the internet.
08:50They're not going to know who I am.
08:52And then almost the first interaction you had was with Stephen Fry, who said he knew
08:57exactly who you were.
08:59Because you were famous for barging into places and pretending to be things you aren't.
09:04How do you know that?
09:05Oh, I have a sticky memory.
09:07Wow.
09:08Yeah.
09:09That really spun me.
09:10It really caught me off guard because I was like, okay, well, I knew that Stephen Fry was
09:14smart, but now I'm like, he must just see everything.
09:18Why has he watched my YouTube videos before, number one?
09:20And also it was like the way in which he knew me.
09:22It was like, yeah, you're a prankster.
09:24And obviously I do do pranks, but that's not the only content which I do.
09:27So that's probably the worst way for someone to know me.
09:29So I was like, at least if someone knew my content, like the back of their hand, they'll
09:33be like, he's a cool guy.
09:34He does some pranks here and there.
09:35But Stephen was like, you are a prankster.
09:39And whispering that to people around, it just, it got them all going.
09:42Yeah.
09:43I think at that early stage of the game when no one knows anything, something like he's
09:49a prankster, they'd be like, well, of course he must be a traitor then.
09:51Exactly.
09:52Of course they'd make the prankster the traitor.
09:53Yeah.
09:53He would want to be a traitor.
09:54So he is one.
09:55Yeah.
09:56You're a huge fan of the show, as you say.
09:58You've seen a lot of the traitors.
10:00What surprised you about the reality of being in the castle as opposed to watching it on TV?
10:04It's the...
10:05The realism of it.
10:07You live it.
10:07And I really put emphasis on live it.
10:09Like I was going to sleep every night thinking who the hell could it be?
10:12Like I haven't got my phone.
10:14I haven't got any of this stuff.
10:15I'm just playing the game even when I'm sleeping.
10:17Yeah.
10:18So I was dreaming about the game.
10:20Can you remember any of the dreams?
10:21Yeah.
10:21It's when I had an epiphany and I was like, it's Kat, Alan and Jonathan.
10:25Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
10:26Yeah.
10:26And that's, yeah.
10:27But yeah, I was going to reveal that on the round table the day after, but couldn't do it.
10:32Couldn't do it because they voted me out.
10:33I know you weren't there for very long, but did you strike up any friendships with anyone?
10:38Yes.
10:38I struck up a great friendship with Paloma, which is why like when I hugged Paloma because
10:43I was like, one of us might get killed here.
10:45Yeah.
10:46So I went and gave her a hug and then it ended up being evidence against me at the table,
10:50which was just, I was like, so I was so confident in Paloma being a faithful and then people
10:55ended up using Paloma as evidence of me being a dirty traitor.
11:00See, you can't do anything in there, can you?
11:02No, you can't.
11:03You're hugging someone goodnight that you've made friends with and next thing you know,
11:06they're dead and you've killed them by hugging them apparently.
11:08And I thought I was friends with Kat, but I've still got that knife in my back.
11:13Look, your time might have been short, but I hope you enjoyed it.
11:15Did you have a good time in the short time you were in there?
11:17Yes, I did.
11:18I did enjoy the show.
11:18Yeah.
11:19Can you sum it up in three words for me?
11:21Um, not long enough.
11:25Beautiful.
11:26Absolutely beautiful.
11:27It's been a pleasure having you on the show.
11:29Thank you so much.
11:29A massive round of applause for Nico.
11:31Thank you, everyone.
11:32Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.
11:34Well, still to come, we'll be hearing from Tom, but next, Maddy and Freddie will be here
11:39in the studio along with our second banished player, Tamika.
11:42Here's the moment I caught up with her after she left and I revealed who the traitors are.
11:50Oi, oi!
11:52Hello, Tamika.
11:54How are you doing?
11:58Mate, oh, you put the fire on for me.
12:00Just for you.
12:01Oh, I love that.
12:04Welcome to Uncloaked, Tamika.
12:06Thank you for having me.
12:07We're delighted to see you.
12:08We're delighted to meet you, but we're sad you're out at this stage of the game.
12:11Mate, no more than me.
12:13No more than me.
12:14I am so gutted I'm out.
12:17So after that first traitors pick, people said that you were a bit quieter.
12:22There was a suspicion around you because they said you changed a little bit after the traitors pick.
12:27I don't understand the change.
12:28Up until today, I do not understand the change.
12:31I will say I was slightly disappointed that Claudia didn't, you know, give me a shoulder to do that.
12:38But at the same time, for me then, I was processing.
12:43I thought, OK, now I'm a faithful.
12:45How do I play the game as a faithful?
12:47Because in my mind, I've always been a traitor.
12:49So now it is like, OK, how do I do this?
12:52So in the end, unfortunately, you couldn't convince enough people and you were banished.
12:58But with only four votes, that's all it took to banish you.
13:00I'm so upset.
13:02And I even messed up my outro as well.
13:05I want to cuss and carry on and leave it with Mark.
13:08Like, Mark.
13:09I didn't even get time to do that.
13:11Yeah.
13:11But it is what it is.
13:12But I'm hoping this is out.
13:18Saying nothing.
13:18I'm saying nothing.
13:19Of course you're not saying anything.
13:20I'll get in trouble.
13:20Nobody says anything in Scotland.
13:23Nobody says anything.
13:25This is the exciting bit.
13:26Because you're about to find out who the traitors are.
13:28Who do you think might be a traitor?
13:30Mark.
13:31We've got Mark in there.
13:33Too quick.
13:33It's not too quick at all.
13:35Why do you think it's Mark?
13:36Take us through all of the reasons.
13:37I think Mark.
13:39Because I think we were getting close and he didn't like that.
13:42And he could see that I was going to get him.
13:46I think Miss Seeley.
13:47I think she would love the cloak.
13:51I don't want it to be her.
13:52But I think it could be her.
13:54I'm thinking Nick.
13:55Nick.
13:56Yeah.
13:57He's very smart.
13:59Yeah.
13:59And, you know, he can play up on the baby face.
14:03Let's talk about your guaranteed faithfuls.
14:06Jonathan.
14:06Yeah.
14:06I think he's a faithful.
14:08I'd be gutted if he's a traitor.
14:10Claire.
14:11Claire.
14:12I don't think Claire.
14:14Ruth.
14:14As well.
14:15I don't think Ruth.
14:16So, look, we've heard your traitor suspicions.
14:19And you're guaranteed faithful.
14:20So, now it's time for you to see who the traitors are.
14:24Wow.
14:24What is your scroll?
14:29Oh, here we go.
14:31Here we go.
14:32Here we go.
14:35No!
14:36Jonathan!
14:37But he was so nice.
14:39You see, now, I thought it might be, but I thought, no, I don't want it to be Jonathan.
14:44No!
14:45He was one of your guaranteed faithfuls.
14:47At the beginning, I thought, could he be?
14:49But then I thought it might be obvious.
14:50But he was so nice and welcoming to me.
14:53Should we have a look at the next traitor?
14:54I don't know.
14:56Can we not get a commercial break?
14:58Not on the BBC.
14:59Oh, of course, of course.
15:01Oh, my God, I don't know if I can do this now.
15:04It's, it's, it's, okay, it's, it's, it's.
15:06Meow!
15:17Meow!
15:21Really?
15:22Yes, really, we wouldn't lie to you now.
15:24Cat is a traitor.
15:26You had no suspicions over Cat.
15:28No.
15:29You seem more surprised by Cat than Jonathan.
15:31Yeah, I really am.
15:34Oh, no, maybe I don't know how to play the game.
15:40Should we have a look at the next one?
15:42Just have the brandy on standby.
15:52Alan!
15:54You know something?
15:55I want to go back.
15:56Where's the driver?
15:57No, Alan.
16:00Alan!
16:01And these are real?
16:02These are real, like, we wouldn't make them up now, Tameka.
16:05Do you think you're still in the game?
16:07Do you think this is?
16:10Can I find this in the fire?
16:11I've had it now.
16:15And a very warm welcome to the podcast, Tameka, Maddy and Freddie!
16:19Yay!
16:22Tameka, we're absolutely thrilled to have you here, of course.
16:24We wish it wasn't under these circumstances.
16:26I know, me too, Eddie, me too.
16:28Yeah, but you're here, but it's good, it's kind of good we get you in early,
16:31because I was excited to see you again.
16:32Bless you, my love, I miss you too.
16:34And you two, of course.
16:35Oh, thank you.
16:36You two, of course.
16:37Lovely to have you back, Maddy.
16:39And Freddie, welcome back.
16:40Finally getting to watch the show and not being involved in it.
16:43Maddy, I've got a question to ask you.
16:45As someone who's snooped a lot in the castle,
16:47when you were snooping, did you tell people you were snooping?
16:50I think so.
16:52It's good to lay all your cards out.
16:54Maybe it's an actor thing.
16:55Yeah.
16:56Just be honest and say it how it is.
16:58But I love you on EastEnders, by the way.
17:00Oh, bless you, my love, Maddy.
17:02You do so much for the square.
17:04Like, you really make everyone laugh,
17:06and then they treat you like this.
17:07I know.
17:08Around the table.
17:08Risen respect, Maddy.
17:10Risen respect.
17:10Do you know what I mean?
17:11She's doing her being.
17:11I'm glad that you understand, babe.
17:13Yeah, I love it.
17:13Tameka, you were obviously very shocked
17:15by who the traitors were when you found out.
17:17Oh, I was so shocked.
17:19But now you've had a bit of distance.
17:20Is there one in particular
17:21that you were more shocked by than the others?
17:24In the back of my mind, I thought,
17:26Jonathan, I thought, no, he's nice.
17:28It's nice.
17:29It can't be him.
17:30It can't be.
17:31And then, of course, it was him.
17:33Yeah.
17:33So, funny enough, it was Jonathan that said to me,
17:37oh, everybody's going for Nico.
17:38You should say Nico.
17:38And I'm like, hello.
17:41Is that a trait of behaviour?
17:42Yeah.
17:42And then I thought, well, actually, no,
17:45because he hasn't shown me anything
17:47to show me that he is a traitor.
17:49So I didn't vote for Nico.
17:51And I really felt for Nico.
17:53I think he got done dirty from misconceptions of,
17:55like, because he's a great gamer and stuff like that.
17:57So I think people would have already,
17:58that's what I'm saying with celebrity traitors,
18:00you all kind of know each other.
18:01Whereas when we went in it,
18:02we're all random strangers.
18:03Yeah.
18:04I could be like, I mean,
18:04you could tell if I was lying anyway,
18:06but you could,
18:07I don't know what these people are like.
18:08So like, it doesn't matter.
18:09But when you guys,
18:10you know what everyone's like.
18:11Well, everyone's grasping at straws anyway, right?
18:13Yeah.
18:13They've almost gotten them
18:14before they even go into the castle.
18:16They're like, well, he does pranks on YouTube,
18:17so we could probably use that.
18:19You know, you're an actor.
18:20We might be able to use that sort of thing.
18:22Yeah.
18:22So let's talk about the missions, Tamika.
18:25In this episode,
18:26we saw you being greeted by druids.
18:29Firstly, how did it feel seeing those guys?
18:31They seem pretty intimidating.
18:32Mate, I don't do horror films.
18:35Why?
18:36I don't do horror films.
18:37I don't do forests.
18:39I don't do mud.
18:41So hang on.
18:41What do you mean you don't do forests?
18:43You don't want to go in them?
18:44You don't want to look at pictures of them?
18:45If I don't,
18:46if we're driving through it,
18:47we can drive through.
18:48I don't want to stop.
18:48Yeah.
18:49And then once we got into the cabin,
18:51I thought, do me a favour.
18:53Well, let's remind ourselves of that moment.
18:56Oh.
18:57It's filling up, though.
18:58Look, it's filling up.
18:59It's filling up.
19:00You're not going to drown, Tamika, are you?
19:04Are you all right?
19:04Do you want to go?
19:05I can't help you.
19:07I can't help you in here.
19:09Yeah.
19:10Yeah, I thought I was going to drown.
19:12Because it was filling up.
19:13It wasn't filled.
19:14It was filling.
19:15Yeah.
19:15I mean, even before all the water started
19:17and you were locked in the cabin,
19:19it wasn't long until things got scary and stinky.
19:22Quite literally, Celia's fart.
19:24Let's have a look.
19:26Welcome to the worst team-building away day
19:29experience in history.
19:36What just happened?
19:37I just farted, Claudia.
19:40Oh.
19:42She's amazing.
19:43Celia.
19:43I love that she owned it.
19:45That was so brilliant.
19:46So true.
19:48Absolutely.
19:48Just let it go if you need to.
19:50Yeah, let it out.
19:50Own up to it.
19:51Everyone loved her for it.
19:53I don't think there's anyone else
19:54who could have gotten away with that.
19:55I don't think so.
19:56But under pressure as well,
19:57you just can't control your bowels.
19:59Do you know what I mean?
20:00I only fart once every six months.
20:03Honestly.
20:04Okay.
20:05Maddie, what are you talking about?
20:06No, I'm serious.
20:07I hardly fart.
20:08I wish I only farted once every six months.
20:10And I will say as well
20:12that Celia has approved
20:14that being included.
20:15In this case,
20:16it's better in than out.
20:17Yeah.
20:18Exactly.
20:19Let's hit for me, Celia, guys.
20:21Yeah, I love her.
20:22Yeah.
20:23One of the finest television farts
20:24of all time.
20:26Well, it's time to hear
20:27from our final player, Tom.
20:29Here's what happened
20:30when I met him
20:30just after he left the game,
20:32including him finding out
20:33which dastardly traitors
20:34murdered him.
20:35Welcome to Unplugged.
20:45Oh, thank you.
20:46Thank you so much for coming.
20:47Take a seat.
20:48I can't believe I'm dead.
20:52How does it feel to be murdered?
20:54You know, it feels painful
20:56to get murdered.
20:58I went in there
20:59wanting to be a traitor,
21:01mainly because I like control.
21:03So I feel like that would have been
21:04a good opportunity
21:05to be able to control it.
21:06But then as soon as I started
21:07playing as a faithful,
21:09I loved that as well
21:11because it was then
21:12I wanted to regain
21:14as much control as possible.
21:15And my whole game plan
21:16was to try and fly under the radar
21:18and then I couldn't
21:18keep my mouth shut.
21:21I think this is an issue
21:22a lot of people
21:23are having in there, though.
21:24Yeah.
21:24I think people are trying
21:25to be quiet and trying to...
21:26But this is not why
21:27anyone's a celebrity.
21:28No one's a celebrity
21:29because they're a wallflower, right?
21:31Keep your mouth shut.
21:31Yeah, exactly.
21:32They're used to gabbing.
21:33Now, this is a very exciting
21:34moment.
21:35And I know it's a moment
21:36you've been waiting for
21:36for a long time.
21:38You're going to find out
21:39who the traitors are.
21:40I'm going to make you wait
21:41a little bit longer
21:41because I want to know
21:43from you who you think
21:45they are before I reveal it.
21:47Claire and Kate
21:47were people that I was
21:49on quite early on.
21:51So why did you think
21:52Claire and Kate?
21:53Well, there's just something
21:54about them that just
21:55felt like it changed
21:56and they started taking
21:57way more control
21:58than they did have
21:59in terms of the presence
22:00they had before
22:01the roundtable.
22:03Celia certainly
22:04got way more confident
22:05after the roundtable,
22:07the way she kind of
22:07like danced into the bar
22:09that I was like,
22:10what?
22:10You didn't say anything
22:11to me before.
22:12And then all of a sudden,
22:13and I was like,
22:14what's going on here?
22:15And then also she was
22:16saying,
22:17these traitors
22:17are so smart.
22:19And I was like,
22:20it would be genius
22:21if she was a traitor
22:22to like back her up.
22:23I think Stephen
22:25could be a traitor.
22:27Alan, I think,
22:29because I confided
22:30in him a lot.
22:32I think he would
22:32make a great traitor.
22:33He was very easy
22:34to deflect with humour
22:35and just kind of
22:36like change the stuff
22:37to, oh yeah,
22:37I'm a killer.
22:39And I'm like,
22:39well, yeah,
22:40you could be actually.
22:42And then Lucy
22:44towards the end
22:45made me think,
22:46oh, you could be
22:47a great traitor
22:48because you give off
22:49the innocent act
22:49and actually I feel
22:50like you've got
22:52some daggers
22:53in there somewhere.
22:54Okay.
22:55Oh, I kind of
22:56don't want to know.
22:57Yeah, all right.
22:58I'll just chuck it
22:58in the fire.
22:58Don't chuck it
22:59in the fire.
22:59I want to know.
23:00There we go.
23:01Oh my gosh.
23:02I'm actually really
23:03scared about this.
23:04So one by one,
23:05let's see the names.
23:12Jonathan.
23:18Not mentioned there
23:19by you beforehand.
23:20No, I can,
23:21I can see that.
23:22So it makes sense
23:23to you, Jonathan.
23:24Yeah, I think
23:25it could make sense.
23:26Like, it's the game,
23:27isn't it?
23:27Like, you've got
23:28to go undetected.
23:29Yeah.
23:30Can I guess the next one?
23:31Yeah, let's see
23:31if this person makes sense.
23:36Cat.
23:41But why would
23:42they get rid of me?
23:44Out of Jonathan and Cat,
23:45I don't understand
23:46why they would
23:47kill me yet.
23:48You wanted to
23:48rattle the traitors,
23:49but do you think
23:49maybe you rattled
23:50them slightly too much?
23:51That might make sense
23:52why I've been murdered.
23:53Can I go to the next one?
23:55Yes.
24:01There it was.
24:03You said Alan.
24:05It makes sense.
24:06That first night,
24:06you know,
24:07we had this thing
24:08and I looked him
24:09and I looked him in the eye
24:09and I was like,
24:10you're a traitor.
24:10Like, I said something
24:11about him being a traitor
24:12and then he went,
24:12yeah, yeah, yeah.
24:13And then he turned away
24:14like really quickly.
24:15Yeah.
24:16I just didn't want it
24:17to see it be Alan.
24:20But you got it right.
24:21You should be happy.
24:22Yeah, but I'm not
24:22in the game anymore.
24:24It doesn't matter.
24:26Oh, okay.
24:28Well, can I find out
24:29how they got killed
24:30in plain sight?
24:31I can't tell you that, Tom.
24:31You're joking!
24:36So, Tom got it right
24:38with Alan
24:39but he never brought it up
24:40at the round table
24:41and it didn't matter anyway
24:42because they murdered him.
24:44How cruel a move
24:45do you think it was
24:46to murder Tom, Freddie?
24:47I can't believe Tom's head
24:48has gone out this early
24:49but I would say
24:50if you just look at his face
24:51he just gives faithful.
24:53There's no world
24:54where he would be a traitor.
24:55He's very cute.
24:55So, like,
24:56it's probably an obvious choice
24:58to murder him, unfortunately.
24:59But he did have a bit
25:00of heat on him.
25:01There was some discussions
25:02about Tom at the round table
25:03so why would you
25:05as a traitor
25:06then murder someone
25:06who might come up
25:08for banishment
25:08the night after?
25:10Because he's like
25:11the adorable one.
25:11He's not the one
25:12that you're going to want to murder.
25:13So you don't think
25:14he would have been banished?
25:15No, I don't think so
25:16unless it whittled down
25:17to near the end
25:18and you're like,
25:18oh, double bluff.
25:19He might have been banished,
25:21I think.
25:21So we've got Joe Marler
25:22talking to Joe Wilkinson
25:24about what they're now
25:25calling the big dog theory.
25:27Love that.
25:28Jonathan Ross leading
25:29the traitors,
25:29Stephen Fry leading
25:30the faithful.
25:31I think it's a genuinely
25:32brilliant theory.
25:33To give it a name as well,
25:34the big dog theory,
25:36he brought it up
25:36at the round table as well.
25:37Did you consider
25:38that that was
25:39maybe the case, Tameka?
25:41Yeah, because you've got
25:42the big personalities
25:43and also they're quite tall
25:45as well.
25:46Do you know what I mean?
25:47Quite intimidating
25:48as well,
25:49especially to me anyway.
25:51And it is one of those things
25:52where he could be the faithful
25:54because Stephen is so intelligent.
25:56Yeah.
25:56Do you know what I mean?
25:57You could just say one subject
25:58and he will just talk
26:00and you will be educated.
26:01You just marvel at his brain.
26:04Yeah.
26:04Do you know what I mean?
26:05And then again,
26:07equally in a different way,
26:08Jonathan as well.
26:09He's got a big personality
26:10and he's very comfortable
26:13to talk with
26:14and you could see
26:15that he could easily
26:16lead you down the wrong road.
26:18I think with Jonathan,
26:19that will be his downfall
26:20because he's very talkative
26:21and I think he'll just say
26:23the wrong thing.
26:24He's already done it to Ruth
26:24saying about the alliance thing.
26:26I think he doesn't realise
26:27how much he's talking.
26:28Kat, on the other hand,
26:29is very under the radar.
26:31And everything she said,
26:32she's thought about.
26:32You can tell there's been
26:34a lot of detail and strategy
26:35and that was Jonathan
26:36kind of like,
26:36even when he said to Alan,
26:37do you have a few words?
26:38That's a bit backstabby,
26:39kind of.
26:40Yeah.
26:41So the episode ended
26:42with the traitors discussing
26:43who they're going to murder
26:44and it's between David,
26:46Ruth and Charlotte.
26:48Which of those do you think
26:49would be the smartest move
26:50by the traitors?
26:52David.
26:52David, yeah.
26:54He looks,
26:54he's got glasses,
26:55he looks intelligent.
26:55They better not kill Ruth,
26:57you know?
26:58I think if they kill Ruth,
26:59that's going to be a bit much.
27:00So out of order.
27:01I think Charlotte.
27:02Yeah,
27:03I think Charlotte or David.
27:05Just not Ruth.
27:05Just not Ruth.
27:06Protect Ruth,
27:07of course she's getting it right.
27:08I agree.
27:09She's amazing.
27:10Now,
27:10Tameka,
27:10you said you were unhappy
27:11with the exit speech
27:12that you gave.
27:13So we on Uncloaked
27:15would like to give you
27:15an opportunity
27:16to redo
27:17your leaving speech.
27:19So please,
27:20finally get it off your chest.
27:22What did you want to say?
27:22I would have said,
27:24I would have said,
27:25no,
27:26no,
27:26no,
27:28no,
27:28no,
27:29no,
27:29I'm not going.
27:32Because I'm the best person
27:34you've ever had in here,
27:35Claudia.
27:36and there's no way
27:37I'm going to go,
27:37no,
27:38no,
27:38no,
27:38no,
27:39no,
27:39no way
27:40I'm living without you.
27:42You're going to live without me.
27:45I'm not going to be free.
27:46Because I'm staying.
27:50I'm staying.
27:51And you,
27:52and you,
27:52and Mark,
27:53you're going to love me.
27:55Is what I would have said.
27:57Is what I would have said,
27:58guys.
27:58Yes,
27:59Tameka.
27:59Is what I would have said.
28:00Tameka,
28:03Freddie and Maddie,
28:04it's been an absolute pleasure
28:05having you here on Uncloaked.
28:06Thank you very much for being here.
28:08And if you're craving more,
28:09then head over to BBC Sounds
28:10for the bonus episode
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28:13We'll be getting more
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28:15and getting Freddie and Maddie's
28:16perspectives as former players.
28:18Scan the QR code on screen now.
28:21We'll be back after episode four
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28:24But until then,
28:25I'm Ed Gamble.
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