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00:00It's time to start putting it together a little bit again because it's there.
00:03We've seen stretches and long enough stretches.
00:05We've seen playoff seasons where he's been a real effective player.
00:11Guys go through this.
00:13You need more out of him right now, and it's there.
00:16He's got it.
00:19Welcome back, everyone, to Up in the Blue Seats,
00:22your favorite Rangers podcast from the New York Post.
00:25As always, I'm Molly Walker, your Rangers beat writer for the New York Post,
00:29and I am joined by Rangers' favorite, former Rangers' favorite, still Rangers' favorite,
00:35Brian Boyle.
00:38And we've got another really great episode for you guys today.
00:41Rangers are coming off a big win last night in Vancouver to snap a three-game losing streak.
00:48So much needed and even more so coming on the heels of J.T. Miller's return to Vancouver,
00:55which was obviously a circled date on everybody's calendar.
01:01It was a 2-0 win.
01:03A big shutout for Jonathan Quick.
01:0523 saves.
01:0764th shutout of his career.
01:10And just a much-needed win for the Rangers.
01:14Much better defensive effort as well.
01:16Brian, what did you see last night from the Rangers?
01:20Yeah, it looked like they had control of the game.
01:23I wanted to see, you know, a little more dominance offensively,
01:29but that's still, you know, a work in progress.
01:31But when you're not quite right, you need to go back to defending,
01:35and I think they did that.
01:36Now, there's a big, big element that was missing from Vancouver's lineup,
01:41and then in the third period their other most dynamic offensive player had to leave the game
01:47and Connor Garland, but who cares?
01:49Like, it doesn't matter.
01:50You try to win the games that are on your schedule,
01:52and if, you know, Quinn Hughes is out and he's not playing, that's a benefit.
01:56And you look at, you know, you mentioned how important it was.
01:58I thought it was really interesting that the coaching staff, Mike Sullivan, and the team,
02:04they haven't lost the plot of, you know, we want to win all these games,
02:07but we have these guys to come in and play.
02:09So, Jonathan Quick goes in and plays.
02:12I think Jonathan Quick's a Hall of Fame goalie.
02:14Oh, yeah.
02:15But he's clearly the number two goalie in New York,
02:17and they have to go in on their captain returning to his old team.
02:21They lean on Jonathan Quick, which is empowering to a lot of players.
02:25They make some lineup tweaks because it didn't go well in Calgary.
02:28And I give them a lot of credit.
02:30Like, just get in there, get your business done,
02:34take care of what you're supposed to, win the game, doesn't matter how.
02:36So, but if you can, stifle them, and they did.
02:39There was a little bit of a push at the end where I thought the flurries that
02:46Vancouver got in particular, I know we're getting a little into the nitty-gritty
02:51of this game, but, like, Susie took a penalty.
02:56It was the ref's fault.
02:56The ref got in the way twice.
02:57Right.
02:58The lines were on the way twice, and then he's just skating in his space,
03:01and Pedersen sort of jump hugs him and falls down, and they call a penalty.
03:05And then John McIsaac, who was one of the refs, who was a good ref.
03:08I'm not getting on him.
03:09He got in the way, like, four times in the offensive zone for the Rangers
03:12in the corner.
03:12Like, you've got to get out of the way.
03:13I don't know what he was doing.
03:16But they fought through all that, and Quickie was good at the end.
03:19And obviously there was some emotions at the end for both sides,
03:22and I thought they stuck up for each other nicely.
03:25It's a huge moment for JT.
03:28I wish he got, you know, an empty netter there.
03:31It looked like he might have had a chance,
03:33but did you know he's just one of two players that have averaged
03:36over a point a game in Vancouver?
03:39Yeah.
03:40I think Kenny Almond did.
03:41Is it Burr?
03:41Burr was the other one, right?
03:43Yeah.
03:43He was in the Russian Rocket.
03:45He was unbelievable.
03:46But, I mean, that was – he was an unbelievable player for them.
03:51And now he's – you know, I'm happy he's in New York.
03:54A quick question.
03:57This just kind of came across my mind.
03:58In that situation when the refs are getting in the way all the time,
04:01are you yelling at them as a player on the ice to get out of the way?
04:04Get out of the way, screaming at them.
04:07Yes.
04:07Yes.
04:09Yes.
04:09Okay, I was just checking.
04:11I just wanted to make sure there.
04:12It's not youth sports, right?
04:14So you can say things that you can't say in a youth sports environment.
04:17But it's also – there's a respect there where you just kind of look at them.
04:20Right.
04:21Come on, man.
04:21How do you do it?
04:21And they're like, you know, I'm – and then, you know, every single game.
04:26I can't imagine how difficult it is.
04:27Oh, God.
04:28It's so fast.
04:29It's trying to stay out of the way.
04:31I like fake ref, 10-year-olds sometimes.
04:33And I'm like, this is –
04:34Fake ref.
04:35It's brutal.
04:36You've got to get out of the way.
04:37It's hard.
04:37But it's so unpredictable.
04:38So I'm not really – I'm not trying to harp on that.
04:40But, yeah.
04:41And then you always are like, hey, are we good here?
04:43Where'd you go last time?
04:44Yeah.
04:45A few pops?
04:46And then, you know, but it's understood.
04:48Like, I've made five mistakes this game, too, so I'm not, like, getting on yet.
04:51Yeah.
04:52That's so funny.
04:53Oh, my God.
04:53The banter should be recorded and played on a platform with an advisory, though, because
05:01the language is colorful.
05:03Yeah.
05:03I can imagine.
05:04I can only imagine.
05:07But, yeah.
05:07Getting into JT's return, I mean, for me – and I wrote about this after watching him field
05:13questions from Vancouver media – it was so fascinating for me to see him in this sort
05:18of setting because ever since he was named captain and ever since, really, he's rejoined
05:25the Rangers, he's just been so dead fast.
05:28And everything he says and everything he does, he's so – he's a force of nature in so many
05:34different ways, both on the ice and off the ice, truly.
05:38But you could see how conflicted he was ahead of this anticipated return and knowing that
05:47the emotions were coming, already feeling the emotions.
05:49He said just touching down on the tarmac, he was feeling some type of way about being
05:54back in Vancouver.
05:56So, he was really grappling with what a big night it was for him and his family, but also
06:02his responsibilities as Rangers captain to not cause any distractions and want the team
06:09to be focused.
06:10So, he was – it was like the two sides of this coin were going back and forth during
06:14this scrum.
06:15And it was really fascinating to see that for me.
06:17And I thought he handled it so well.
06:19He was raw and honest as he always is and as he has been since he joined the Rangers,
06:25again.
06:27But yeah, he – I also spoke with him earlier in the season and we naturally kind of touched
06:33on his time in Vancouver.
06:35And I really feel like he has learned so much and has matured so much, especially since his
06:42first time in New York.
06:44And he told me that Vancouver is really where he put it all together as an NHL-er and thought
06:50thought to himself, you know, I want to learn from all my mistakes and I, you know, want
06:56to get it right this time.
06:57And he said that the opportunity he got there in Vancouver, playing in all situations, is
07:01one that you dream about your whole career.
07:03So, you could really tell how much it meant to him.
07:07And you said you were going back and forth with him after the game.
07:10What did he have to say?
07:12Well, I just congratulated him because I know, like you said, he went – he was an emerging
07:18player, a useful, very good player in New York.
07:22He went to Tampa and they were sort of loaded up front.
07:24He was playing on the fourth line, getting 45 points a year, which is like, you know,
07:30I always was proud of the production that I could get out of those minutes when I would
07:39get 25 points in a season or if I could get, you know, 15 goals.
07:43I was just, you know, that was the role.
07:46So, if you could squeeze something out of it.
07:47And he was doing, obviously, because his ceiling and where he is from a talent standpoint is so
07:52high, so he goes and makes himself not just a complete player, but a superstar.
07:58He was a superstar, 99-point season, over 100-point season, and a big, big part of what Team USA
08:05is going to be doing.
08:07And I think, you know, his personality, everybody has different personality traits, and his personality
08:15is perfectly suited as a leader of men in a sport like hockey in the NHL.
08:20So, it's not golf.
08:22It's not where, you know, kids are there and microphones.
08:26You go into the arena, the door shuts, there's glass on the door that goes up, so you can
08:32keep things in and you can keep things out.
08:34And there's a reason for it.
08:35It's a violent, abrasive, emotionally charged up game.
08:38I would want that as much as you can because the issues I ran into throughout the course
08:47of the season were games where I couldn't bring that, where I didn't have a short wick, where
08:52I didn't have a quick fuse, and I couldn't get emotionally invested.
08:57It's not for everybody.
08:58And I might have told this story before, but Rick Bonas was our coach in Tampa.
09:01And he sat down, and I was sitting next to Victor Hedman, and he sat down next to Victor,
09:07and he pointed at him and said, listen, you can't get mad.
09:09You need to let things go and just play your game because when you get mad, you know, it's
09:14not your best performance.
09:15And then he looked at me.
09:18Not you.
09:18You make sure you get mad because you play better when you're mad.
09:23Victor, you don't.
09:24And then Victor started getting mad.
09:26He's like, well, how come I can't get mad?
09:27I'm like, just don't get – Victor, he's making a joke.
09:30He doesn't really care about me.
09:31He's a D coach, and you're a Norris D.
09:32I'm like, let's – but that – it was so funny because some guys, yeah, you can rattle
09:38them, and it changes the way they play.
09:40For me, I needed it, and he needs it too, and a lot of guys do.
09:44But when there's too much of one thing on a team, it could go a number of different
09:51ways, but usually it's not great.
09:52You need those different personalities.
09:54I think just him being here, I look at big picture things.
09:59I look at what Mika's been doing this year, and that's probably coming from Mika, but
10:02I don't think JT hurts it at all.
10:04He's been playing really, really well.
10:06He could easily have eight or nine goals.
10:08He's skating really well.
10:10He's competing, and defensively last night he put on a clinic.
10:13So I really – I like the really important guys on this team, what they were doing,
10:18particularly last night.
10:19It's a really good sign.
10:21Yeah.
10:22It was funny being in Vancouver, having all the other media, and I went on a radio show,
10:29and everybody's asking me, you know, how's the JT Miller experience?
10:32Because obviously it was quite an experience for the city of Vancouver and the Canucks as
10:37an organization.
10:39Most people are crazy anyways up there, those Canucks.
10:41Yeah, listen, it's the Canadian market.
10:44It's intense, for sure.
10:46But obviously it was his intensity that was kind of, you know, everything that happened
10:52with Patterson and, you know, the public feud that was there.
10:56There was a lot of discussion and debate about whether his intensity was what was right for
11:01the locker room and things like that.
11:03And when I talked to him about it, I mean, he – I'll read you this quote.
11:07I really thought it was an absolute money quote and really just explains who he is as
11:12a person as well.
11:14He told me, I don't try to be on the edge.
11:16I don't try to be abrasive.
11:18I don't try to be emotional.
11:19I just am.
11:21I think I've had a lot of help with coaches in Vancouver and the guys here in New York
11:24embrace that instead of change that.
11:27But he then said, when I'm a choir boy, I don't bring my A game.
11:32It's just a fact.
11:33I know that.
11:34But I think recognition of all the things I talked about makes me who I am as a player.
11:39It's just taken a long time to figure that out.
11:42So it was really – it was cool to see him back in the Vancouver environment because I
11:48truly believe that that really made him who he is today as the 29th captain of the Rangers.
11:53So it was a great night.
11:56He had his kids there.
11:57His wife was there.
11:58They all came to see friends in the area as well.
12:02They spent nearly six seasons there.
12:04So, yeah, it was a nice night.
12:07Got a great video tribute after they booed him pretty heavily when he first touched the puck.
12:14I think that's always a good sign.
12:15When you get some boos and you get cheers, that's kind of how you know you did it right.
12:20You traded them.
12:23You traded them.
12:25What do you – you know, he's – that never made sense.
12:29Crazy, crazy Vancouver people.
12:31They're crazy.
12:31They love their team, and that's great.
12:34And I love playing there because they love their team.
12:37But you're crazy.
12:37Good atmosphere.
12:38They're all crazy in Vancouver.
12:40Great city.
12:42Great city.
12:44You know what?
12:44Fox was unreal too.
12:47Yeah, no.
12:47He had a – yeah, he had a good night.
12:49There was a few guys.
12:50Sam Carrick.
12:52I mean, Sam Carrick, what an unsung hero he is for this team.
12:56He is just an absolute beast in so many different ways.
13:00Another fight, and then that empty netter.
13:02The dragon.
13:03He fought the dragon.
13:04Yeah.
13:05He held his own, though.
13:08It was good.
13:10I was joking with Sam after the game.
13:12I was like, oh, really good aim on that empty netter because that was obviously not intentional.
13:17He was like, yeah, no, that was – that was luck.
13:19Like, I mean, there was – and forgive me here.
13:22There was – there was 16 games last night, and I worked, and then I drove four hours,
13:27and I came back, and I watched a bunch of different ones.
13:29Was that empty netter?
13:30Like, did they just – did it look like they moved the stick out of the way or something?
13:34Like, how did it go in?
13:36It would look like a – like a spinorama.
13:39Like, he just kind of, like, flipped it around, and then it was – and it was headed right in.
13:45It was weird.
13:46It did not look like it was going to go in from where he was, like, more than half-foot down the ice.
13:51I was going to be shocked, too, though.
13:53Yeah.
13:54I'm losing it, though.
13:54There was so much going on last night.
13:56It was kind of awesome.
13:57Yeah.
13:57It was also, like, we can't do that more than once.
13:59Yeah.
14:00For some frenzy, baby.
14:02For my current – my current job, I can't handle it.
14:05It's too much.
14:06I've been, like, all morning.
14:07I was like, wait, what was –
14:09Yeah.
14:09Corrado's up five, and then it was five-four.
14:11They're blending together.
14:13Yeah.
14:14Really nice.
14:15All right.
14:16I feel like –
14:16Trying to scout the next teams.
14:18Yeah.
14:18It's a lot.
14:20Yeah.
14:21Yeah.
14:21We're in Edmonton now.
14:23Good old, beautiful Edmonton.
14:26Another guy that I feel like people have been talking about is Alexi Lafreniere.
14:32He's got one goal, three assists in 11 games.
14:36A team worst, minus nine.
14:38And just what's your evaluation of his start to the season here?
14:43Yeah, no, not good enough for what he's been given responsibility to do, right?
14:50Like, that's what comes with that contract.
14:54And he earned it.
14:55I thought he was lights out before he signed it.
14:57And, you know, it's time to start putting it together a little bit again because it's there.
15:06We've seen stretches, and long enough stretches.
15:08We've seen playoff seasons where he's been a real effective player.
15:13And guys go through this.
15:15He just – you need more out of him right now.
15:18And it's there.
15:19He's got it.
15:19But he should be, like, one of the guys – I don't know if he is.
15:26You're there more than I am.
15:27But, like, I see – we talk about it all the time.
15:29We talk about Crosby before and after practice.
15:31I've talked about Kucherov before and after practice.
15:34And I've seen marked improvement with different guys that just stay – like, Brian Rust is with – he's on Crosby's hip every morning and every, you know, post-practice.
15:44And all of a sudden, that guy's shot is incredible.
15:46Like, he's got this release.
15:47He doesn't miss.
15:49And our laugh is set up in a spot on the power play where he's going to have opportunities to shoot.
15:54But it's one stick handle every time.
15:55So, if there's a tweak I'd make, it'd be like, get it off quicker and just hit the net.
16:00You don't even have to – if you get off a one-timer or a sweeper where you don't stick handle, goalies are good, but they're not that good.
16:06It's going to lead to points.
16:08Either it goes in the net or it sits right on the doorstep.
16:10Right.
16:12And, you know, the coaching staff will tweak with that because I'm sure they've seen glimpses of what the ceiling could be.
16:19And there's a reason he went where he went.
16:20And there's a reason that he got the contract he did because he earned it.
16:23And they're – I think they're probably all – like Panarin, too, to an extent, is trying to embrace this way of playing.
16:32And Panarin played for Torrance for a while.
16:35He doesn't – he should be – Panarin should be allowed to do different things.
16:40And you would think, okay, if there's a little bit of a different structure, could he adapt?
16:44And, yeah, I think he could because of how well he did in Columbus under Torrance.
16:48So, last night I see him dump the puck in more in a game than I saw last season.
16:54So, he's trying to buy in.
16:55And, you know, a couple times his line mates were changing.
16:59He's going in to get it.
16:59But, like, then he gets off.
17:01And you have four of the five fresh guys out.
17:03Like, those are wins for me.
17:05And eventually he's going to get his opportunities because everybody's bought in, especially if he's buying in.
17:10So, there is an adjustment.
17:12Like we talked about in the fall before the season started a couple weeks ago.
17:17Like, they're going to look great sometimes.
17:19They're going to be really good defensively.
17:21It's not going to be perfect every game.
17:23It's going to take – it's going to take halfway through the season until they can really hit the ground running.
17:27Because it's a lot of change.
17:29New coaching staff.
17:31You know, a couple people out, a couple people in.
17:33It's a lot of change.
17:35So, when you have solid, like, all right, punch the clock, two points, we get out of here.
17:41Wins like that.
17:42But, yeah, you want to put up six, seven goals and have everyone feel good.
17:45But, like, that's a great, like, foundational piece.
17:49When – go back to that game when you're struggling in three weeks or you have a rough night in three weeks.
17:53This is what we did so well.
17:55It's in there.
17:55We can get back to it.
17:56And Lafreniere, you can build off that.
17:59Make sure you're doing the littler things right.
18:01Changing hard, forechecking, defending.
18:04Like, don't be on the ice for goals against or chances against.
18:06Some of that's empty netters, but – and then your game's going to start to open up a little bit.
18:12Teams are going to back off and you'll get more time and space.
18:15Yeah.
18:15I think it's so interesting how many games have been so low-scoring, low-event for this Rangers team
18:22because that really wasn't – that was not their bread and butter at all for the last however many seasons.
18:27Totally different DNA now.
18:28Right?
18:29It's like – that's actually kind of one of the story or at least the angle that I was going into practice with later today.
18:37Just kind of wanted to talk to some of those guys in there that have obviously been on the team for some time
18:42and how different it is for them to be playing in these – you know, that's the other thing is you need to learn how to play with a lead,
18:50how to defend a lead, and how to close out games, which is something that they've struggled with.
18:54Yeah, and the period thing the other day was – you know, it was rough when it just ended the period,
19:01ended the period, almost gave it up again at the end.
19:04It was – it was close.
19:06Oh, my gosh.
19:07Holding on for dear life at the end of that one a little bit, but –
19:10Yeah, but the – you know what?
19:11Coaches like low-event because it means they're not giving up much.
19:14When you have Igor and then your backup's trying to be quick, I mean, wouldn't you try to scheme up a game that's low-event?
19:20And it's like, look, these horses, like, when they're really on, when JT's on, when Milsy's – or when Mika's really on, Troach is back,
19:29we're going to get chances.
19:31We're going to earn those chances.
19:32And then that – we're going to grind teams down.
19:35That's how you get power plays.
19:36That's how you score goals.
19:37Like, people don't understand that the teams that dump it in the most and get the puck back because of their work ethic
19:43and they're all on the same page, it's the Florida Panthers and Carolina Hurricanes.
19:46And that's the class of the East the last three years.
19:50So that's – those are numbers.
19:52Those are stupid analytics that I hate.
19:54But that – there you go.
19:56Right.
19:56That's a stat if you want a stat.
19:59Right.
20:00All right.
20:01Let's mosey on over to some injury news.
20:03We do have a negative update as it pertains to Matt Rempe.
20:09He is going to be out longer term.
20:12Mike Sullivan told us the other day.
20:14It's looking more like a week-to-week basis for him, which obviously – what kind of loss is that?
20:22Not only for the Rangers, but just in terms of his development and this little run that he was going on with this increased role before the injury.
20:32I think, you know, you want more reps, especially his age and his experience level.
20:37So it's not – it's not good.
20:39It's not a good thing.
20:40But how he played to start the year and then – the thing that sucks the most is that, you know, the fight was a – that was a heavyweight fight.
20:49It was awesome.
20:51It was.
20:52He got popped a few times and just got madder and madder.
20:57And you saw that determination.
20:58And then he looks at the bench.
21:00And then he's like, oh, I realize something's wrong here.
21:03But he didn't even think about that when the fight was over.
21:05He's just looking at the bench.
21:07And he's all jacked up.
21:08And it's like, that's – there's five of those guys in the whole league?
21:12And he fought one of them.
21:14So you're missing – you're going to miss that for a little while, which is brutal.
21:19And he's young.
21:19But I think where he is in terms of – it's the NHL.
21:24I mean, you're never safe.
21:25If you have a rough stretch, you should do it on your shoulder.
21:29I did my whole career.
21:30So – but he should feel good about what position he's put himself in.
21:35The fact that it is a tangible loss right now.
21:39A guy that big, you'd think right when he started, maybe three, four years, he'll come in.
21:43If you look at fighters in the past who had to turn themselves into players and then they could fight.
21:48It took him three or four years in the minors, fighting 30 times.
21:52So he's ahead of schedule still.
21:54Hopefully when he comes back, he's healthy because the way he plays, he would want to risk re-injuring it.
22:01But, you know, it's tough.
22:04And then he gets – but Sam Carrick's there.
22:05He's going to –
22:07I'm not worried about the fighting thing because Sam Carrick's got it covered.
22:12That's for sure.
22:13Yeah, but that line was – that line was good.
22:15That line was good.
22:16So hopefully it's not too, too bad and he can get back and be effective.
22:20Yeah.
22:21We shall see with that.
22:23On the positive side of the injury news, Vincent Trocek has resumed skating.
22:28He's skated for a couple days in a row back in New York.
22:31Technically, he is eligible to come off of LTIR on November 1st and play against Seattle.
22:36But that's not happening.
22:39It doesn't really seem like he would be able to join them on the trip.
22:42And Mike Sullivan said that he would definitely want to get him into a practice before putting him into a game, obviously.
22:50So, yeah, that is our injury report.
22:53Before we wrap things up, we did see some personnel changes, lineup changes as well with the Rangers lineup in Vancouver.
23:02Sullivan opted to go with a bit more veteran presence, choosing Johnny Brodzinski over Brennan Othman and then Erho Vakonainen over Matthew Robertson.
23:15What did you make of those couple of line changes, Ryan?
23:20Well, again, we talked about the personnel that Vancouver had or didn't have with Quinn being out.
23:28And, you know, I like Johnny Brodzinski a lot.
23:32I think he brings a lot of speed.
23:33You can trust him.
23:34Like, as a head coach, you look over and you're looking at the numbers and you just say, you can go here in this situation.
23:39Or that's a lot of boxes that Brodzinski can check when you think you're just going to grind one out.
23:45But, and for the young kids that you take out, your first game, two games, you kind of run it on adrenaline.
23:53You just are.
23:54And you try to just, and then the emotional swings are bigger.
24:00So, if you make two mistakes in a row as opposed to you make a mistake but you do three good things and you make, you can kind of roll through it.
24:06But if you're, if it's starting to trend the other way a little bit as a coach, I don't have any issues.
24:13It's like, all right, come here.
24:14Let's watch this on the video.
24:17Let's watch the game from up top where it's really easy.
24:20You're going to get your chance again.
24:21Don't be looking over your shoulder all the time.
24:24That's usually the approach.
24:26It's happened with me before where I was like, that makes a lot of sense.
24:29You don't ever want to be scratched.
24:30It's sort of like embarrassing.
24:32But they got, you have to have extra players, especially on a road trip.
24:37And then you want to get veteran guys back in.
24:39You don't want to bury a guy.
24:41It's still October.
24:42So back in the night, I didn't like, all right, you know, you've sat for a little bit.
24:46What did we learn?
24:47What can we do?
24:48How can we simplify or earn, earn the coaching staff's trust back?
24:54And you've seen great teams do it.
24:55Guys go in and out all year long.
24:57They are embracing their role.
25:00They don't have to be happy with it, but they have to embrace the role and be contributing members of the team.
25:04If an injury happens or if, if the coach wants a different sort of matchup.
25:08So I don't think it's a huge deal because I liked Robertson, especially, and his, he's kind of earned, I thought, his call up for sure.
25:17We'll see sort of where it goes.
25:19You never know after a win, but I don't think Sully, win, lose, I don't think he cares.
25:24He's going to put on a lineup.
25:26He'll change the lineup if he has to.
25:27It's interesting, though.
25:31Everybody wants to play the kids all the time, which I understand, but trying to win hockey games.
25:37Yes, that is the most important thing.
25:40All right.
25:41I think that's a good place for us to stop.
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