00:00Delia, again, it could be a historic moment, as you were just talking about with Dan.
00:06What do you see as the chances of this ceasefire actually leading to a more permanent peace arrangement in the region?
00:17So, of course, there are two million Palestinians waking up this morning in Gaza without the hum of the drone.
00:24And so, of course, that's a welcome moment.
00:26But in terms of how do we understand what the reality is, we don't know the details of this peace plan.
00:32We don't know what the agreements are going to be, and it's actually not really hashed out yet.
00:37What we do know is that there's the beginnings of a hostage exchange that should perhaps begin on Monday.
00:43But beyond that, the details have yet to be agreed upon.
00:46So what is, for example, the future of governance in Gaza going to look like?
00:50What is the future of withdrawal?
00:51We know that there actually will never be a complete withdrawal if we just look at the 20-point plan.
00:58Will there be a one-state or a two-state, perhaps a different model?
01:01All of these questions we do not know.
01:04But unfortunately, what we do know from what happened in the past is that there has been an abrogation of peace plans and agreements.
01:11And we have been in phases of peace talks in the past that have been rendered to the wayside.
01:19You can only even look to Lebanon, where, for example, there was a peace deal with Hezbollah, but Israel has violated it over 2,000 times with different airstrikes.
01:28And so if you think about what the prospects for long-term peace, we can't answer these questions because we simply don't know.
01:35What's become clear is we're not certain what the future of Palestinians and their own governance is going to be, what the future of, perhaps, Arab participation is going to be.
01:46Are Palestinians going to be able to return to their homes tomorrow in the north?
01:50We know that the answer to that is no, for example.
01:53And so there's a lot left on the table to be ironed out and decided, but there's more left on the table than has been.
02:00So, of course, today might be a moment of reprieve, but it's still a wait-and-see game.
02:07How much credit does President Trump deserve for getting this across the line?
02:12So, when we know, for example, that Jared Kushner, his son-in-law, is part of this delegation that went to Sharma Sheikh, Steve Witkoff, the Strategic Affairs Director in Israel, Ron Dermer,
02:26and even the Prime Minister of Qatar himself, Sheikh Mohammed Abihman bin Jassim Athani, is there.
02:34When we saw these big names heading to Egypt, we knew that something was going to come of it.
02:39And President Trump putting his kind of finger on the scale the other day and saying that something had to come of it signaled that perhaps we're going to see something.
02:49Of course, the fact that on Friday the Nobel Committee announces the Peace Prize, President Trump has been hinting at this for a while.
02:57And, of course, technically, in the greater scheme of things, this is nonsensical.
03:01But for him to also be working on his legacy, to continue to talk about, for example, as he did at the U.N., that he's solving problems that those before him could not solve, is part and parcel of what he's been trying to do.
03:13But if you remember when Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu was in the White, was in D.C., was in the Oval Office with the president, and President Trump told him to stop, Israel did not stop.
03:26And so it's not clear what the outcome is going to be.
03:29But we do know that President Trump did put his finger on the scale, use the leverage of the White House and the United States, and perhaps move this further along.
03:40But again, the details have not been fully released.
03:43Yeah, and looking ahead to the second part of this peace plan, what happens next with the reconstruction of Gaza, the rebuilding of institutions, the governance of Gaza, how big of a role do you expect Arab states to play, especially with the establishment of this international security force at some point in the future?
04:06Is this going to be instrumental in terms of determining whether this longer-term peace plan is viable, and that you actually need the buy-in from Arab states as well?
04:17So one of the biggest failures of this moment is that the international community did not put forth a plan together.
04:24Short of that, the Arab countries do need to be part of this peace plan, especially in terms of building and governance towards the future.
04:31But Palestinians need to be centered in this, and we have not seen evidence of that.
04:35We also have the Blair plan on the table, where there would be an international governing oversight committee.
04:43What does that mean? What does that look like?
04:46So there's a lot of questions in the air, but what has become increasingly clear is that it's not sure or certain that there will be a level of Palestinian self-determination.
04:57And I think that's what needs to be ironed out, because without Palestinian self-determination and a prospect for real statehood, then the conflict has not really been ended.
05:08We have to talk about these deeper things.
05:10And so if this is a moment for a reprieve for folks to get their names on paper, that does not mean that this is a long-term peace plan, that this is just perhaps something for the moment.
05:22And the big test of this is going to be our Palestinians going to be able to return home to whatever is left.
05:29We know that 90 percent of the infrastructure has been destroyed and, again, begs the question of what is the future?
05:37Who's going to be part of it?
05:38Who's going to have a stronger voice?
05:39We know that the Arab countries need to be part of this.
05:42We know that Palestinians need voices to be centered.
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