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00:00You heard what Katie was just talking about there.
00:03Bitcoin and crypto did not prove to be much of a safe haven on Friday and over the weekend.
00:08From where you sit as an academic, how are you thinking about crypto and the idea that
00:12it is an undisputed winner in this trend to de-dollarize, if you believe that that's what's
00:18taking place? Well, I think this weekend we learned a lot. And a lot of what happened this
00:24weekend comes from the fact that this is incredibly experimental. We are still figuring it out as we
00:30go. Crypto is still a little bit of the Wild West. But I think what's actually really impressive is
00:35the way that we saw a distinction between what happened on chain and what happened in centralized
00:40exchanges. And it seemed like what happened on chain, it was definitely very difficult for people.
00:45There was a big crash, but it worked. It continued to work. Nothing really broke. People lost on paper
00:52$19 billion. And we weren't talking about bailing anyone out. We weren't talking about having to
00:57revert things. It's kind of impressive the way that what's happening in crypto right now proceeds
01:03and there's experiments and they happen and we work through them. As an academic, I would love to see
01:08a bit more of a focus on users and a bit more of a focus on value driving use cases rather than
01:14speculation. But I think we are learning a lot as we go. Yeah. The fact that it continued,
01:19there was some pain, but nothing broke is certainly encouraging. When you look at stablecoin
01:24regulation, of course, we had the Genius Act that was passed to regulate stablecoin overall. You
01:29still see a lot of areas that, frankly, we need to still fill in. What is the biggest glaring hole
01:36right now? So I think the biggest glaring hole is probably about how we're going to make sure to
01:43enforce par value exchange with stablecoins. Stablecoins have what we call depegged. So you
01:52expect a stablecoin that represents a dollar to be worth a dollar. But then when you go and look
01:55at crypto exchanges, they're not trading at a dollar. During times of stress, they might start
01:59trading for less than a dollar. And what maybe people don't really realize with stablecoins is
02:03that there's a primary market and a secondary market. And when it comes to actually being able
02:08to go to go to the stablecoin issuer and get a dollar from them for the stablecoin that you're
02:12holding, only a limited number of actors are allowed to do that. The rest of retail needs to
02:17operate on the secondary market. And so I think really bringing these together and understanding
02:22the risks there for retail users who can only redeem stablecoins on exchanges is pretty important.
02:28And what is your confidence that the industry can help lead on that front?
02:31Well, I think part of it is acknowledging these risks. So far, I think industry has the crypto
02:40industry in general has tried to sort of paint a very rosy picture. And I think it's important to
02:44be honest, to be honest about the risks so that we can be honest about how to mitigate the risks.
02:48And that's another place where academia can help.
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