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00:00Now, look what has actually happened.
00:03Since it started, 5th of August, 11,518 people came across in boats.
00:09You have returned 42.
00:12And we have given the French, proportionately in that period, £34 million.
00:19Now, not only...
00:21And by the way, we've added £100 million for this specific policy,
00:25but let's leave aside the £100 million.
00:28We are giving the French £800,000 for each person that has been returned.
00:35This policy is not a deterrent, and it's the most expensive deterrent known to man.
00:40Yeah, be fair, Trevor, it's also early days on the scheme,
00:43and that's not the grand sum of all of the deportations,
00:47and we're not just returning people to France.
00:49I'm not pretending for a moment that these aren't really serious challenges,
00:53and the public aren't fed up with people coming across in these boats, so are we.
00:57We know what the cause was and where this started, and that was, you know, a very bad decision
01:02to leave the Dublin Convention and everything else we lost when we left the European Union,
01:06but we are where we are.
01:07We've got to now deal with the world as it is, not as I would wish it to be.
01:11And we've got to go further in terms of the measures we're taking to deter people from coming over
01:16and to ensure effective returns. So I don't doubt the scale of the challenge.
01:20I don't doubt the scale of the public anger. We've got to give these schemes and initiatives time to bed in at work.
01:25I completely appreciate your honesty and your frankness.
01:32You can do it.
01:33Whee.
01:37You can live there.
01:39And I'm just, I think, you know, one of the most important things that I do,
01:41you know, as if I was just trying to make the cake, I mean that this is not going to be the only one that is not going to,
01:51you know, one of the most important things that you see here is not going to.
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