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00:00Hello, America. I'm Mark Levin, and this is Life, Liberty, and Levin Saturday. Two great guests,
00:04General Jack Keene. I have a lot to talk to him, like, is Hamas going to be destroyed or not?
00:09And our friend, Katie Pavlich. We'll get into that in a moment. You know, ladies and gentlemen,
00:14I hear the Democrats keep talking about how they want to fix health care and how illegal
00:19aliens are not by law allowed to get health care. And as is typical with a subject like this,
00:26we're getting no clarity from the media. The media, you know, the pom-pom boys and girls are
00:32dancing for the Democrats and so forth and so on. We have this so-called government shutdown.
00:39And the media is saying it's about health care and the Republicans won't negotiate and Trump won't
00:43negotiate and the health care premiums are through the roof. Let's walk through this. Now you're going
00:48to understand this completely. First of all, language. And then we're going to get to this.
00:55This is important. Language is a tool. You can be abused. The goal is to communicate. To communicate
01:01what? The truth or falsity? In the case of the Democrats, they seek to manipulate, mislead,
01:07intimidate, and coerce. They use complicated language when it comes to passing laws and bills
01:13and yet sloganeering to hype their position. This is typical of tyrannies, totalitarian regimes,
01:20leftist parties in Europe, and of course, the Democrat Party. They want to subvert civil discourse.
01:29You hear Hakeem Jeffries saying the Republicans are going to kill 5 million people. They're going to
01:33kill 1 million people. They're going to kill people. This is sick. They do this in service to the
01:38Democrat Party and their ideology. They want to fuel what's called agitprop. I've talked about this
01:44before and I've written about it in my new book. What is that? That's a Leninist ideological approach.
01:50Language is used to incite, including violence. You hear this from the governor of Illinois. You
01:56hear it from the governor of California. You hear it from these mayors, all Democrats. And again,
02:01you hear it from Schumer and Jeffries. It's used by totalitarian regimes and left-wing
02:09Western parties like the Democrat Party. And they've applied it in spades to this so-called
02:15government shutdown. Democrats use this language and these tactics of authoritarianism. They use the
02:23word authoritarianism to project onto you and me and the president and the Republicans who they
02:29actually are. Another neat trick of the Maoists, of the Castroites, of all the rest. So now I'm going to
02:37explain to you what's going on because I've spent many hours studying this now and I needed to
02:42understand it because you're not going to get it anywhere else. This, I promise you. What exactly
02:48is going on? The Democrats are destroying Medicaid, Medicare, private health care, employee subsidized
02:59insurance, ESI. They're destroying our health care system piece by piece. This is another big piece.
03:07And they do this while claiming to defend it, while worried about your premiums, which are going
03:13through the roof. Why? Because Obamacare is destroying health care. Every single Democrat voted for
03:23Obamacare. Joe Biden, one of his illustrious moments where he was relatively coherent. Remember he
03:30whispered? He whispered to Obama when they had a massive signing ceremony, all Democrats, and he said,
03:35this is a big effing deal. It's about the best you're going to get out of Biden. And it was.
03:41And it is destroying our health care system. It is driving up premiums like never before.
03:46It's limiting your access to doctors. It's reduced the quality of health care because that's what
03:51centralized government health care does. But they want more. This is why Bernie Sanders,
03:56the chief red, the big commie. This is why Bernie Sanders says, we're not opening the government
04:03until we get what we want. He doesn't even want just a vote on increasing subsidies for Obamacare,
04:10which I'll get to in a moment. He's telling the Republicans, you give us what we want,
04:14the outcome we want or else. This is pure blackmail. Blackmail. A continuing resolution is basically
04:22a ministerial act where you continue the spending and the programming at certain levels in order to
04:28get through the appropriation process at the end of the year. They said, no, we want government-run,
04:34nationalized, universal health care. We are prepared right now to destroy Medicare, Medicaid,
04:41private health insurance, employer-subsidized insurance right now. Or the TSA doesn't get paid,
04:49or the FEA doesn't get paid, or the military doesn't get paid, and so forth and so on.
04:54They want to collapse the system and replace it with what they want while they claim to be
04:59defending the system. It's a neat trick, but we're not going to allow it here. So what's going on?
05:04Look how it's covered, the Washington Compost, aka the Washington Post. Millions of Americans are
05:09already seeing their health insurance costs soar for 2026, as Congress remains deadlocked over
05:14extending COVID-era subsidies for premiums. That's not what's deadlocking Congress.
05:20The Republicans and the President are saying, let's get on with this. Let's get the continuing
05:24resolution passed, then we'll have a debate over health care. The Democrats are saying,
05:28no, we want our Soviet-style health care, and we want it now. And they think they have the leverage.
05:35The bitter fight, writes the Washington Post, sparked a government shutdown at the start of
05:39October. That's not what sparked a government shutdown. Democrats refuse to vote on government
05:43funding legislation unless it extends the subsidies, the Obamacare subsidies, while Republicans insist on
05:49separate negotiations after reopening it. So the Washington Post, like most of the media,
05:55are basically regurgitating, burping up the talking points of the Democrat Party, as you can assume
06:02they would. Healthcare.gov, the federal website used for 28 states, is expected to post plan offerings
06:08early next week, ahead of the start of open enrollment in November. But window shopping has
06:13already begun in most of the 22 states that run their own marketplaces, offering a preview of the
06:18sticker shock to come. Premiums nationwide are set to rise by 18% on average in one year, according to
06:24an analysis of preliminary rate filings by the nonpartisan health policy group KFF. I don't know if
06:30they're nonpartisan or not, but there they are. That combined with the lots of extra subsidies have
06:34left Americans with the worst year over year price hikes in 12 years since the marketplace has launched
06:40since the beginning of Obamacare. Situation is particularly cute in Georgia, which recorded the
06:45second highest enrollment of any state run marketplace this year and posted prices for 2026
06:50earlier in October. About 96% of marketplace enrollees, these are Obamacare enrollees,
06:55in Georgia, received subsidies this year, according to the Center on Budget and Policy
07:00Priorities, a liberal think tank that supports extending the subsidies. Now Georgians browsing
07:05the state website are seeing estimated monthly costs double or even triple, depending on their
07:10incomes, as lower subsidy thresholds resume. The enhanced subsidies had fully covered monthly
07:15premiums for millions of lower income people in the marketplaces. Many of them will have to start
07:19kicking in some of their own money starting January 1, while people with higher incomes will see their
07:24monthly subsidies shrink. The subsidies shrink even for the higher income. People earning more than
07:29400% of the federal poverty line will no longer be eligible for subsidies at all. Wow. What did you
07:35learn from this about Obamacare? Nothing. What did you learn about this, about the government's role in
07:40driving up subsidies, driving up premiums, driving down quality and availability? Absolutely nothing.
07:48This could have been written by the DNC, the Washington Post. What do we know? Let's dig in from the
07:55Competitive Enterprise Institute. The problem with Obamacare is Obamacare. This year, the COVID-induced
08:02expansion of the Affordable Care Act. Isn't that funny? Like the Inflation Reduction Act drove inflation
08:08up. The Affordable Care Act is destroying our healthcare system. It's unaffordable, but it's the Affordable Care
08:14Act. That's what I'm talking about with propaganda from the left and the Democrats in their media.
08:19It's going to expire. Extending the expanded subsidies has become a point of contention
08:24between Republicans and Democrats, and the clock is ticking the end of the year. Marketplace enrollees
08:29will start choosing their plans in a month. Obamacare. The expansion of ACA, Obamacare, ACA subsidies can
08:36be broken into two components. Originally, the ACA provided subsidies only for people earning between the
08:42federal poverty level and four times the federal poverty level, between 100% and 400% of the federal
08:48poverty level. Those subsidies decreased with income. So your income goes up, the subsidies
08:53decrease. So that the higher the income, the farther away from poverty, the more the individual was
08:59expected to pay to kick in, and the lower the taxpayer's share would be. If a person was in a household
09:04that earned more than four times the poverty level, there were no subsidies at all. Okay.
09:09The COVID expansion of Obamacare, in comes Obamacare, and it's expanded. It's expanded for the people
09:18on it. It's expanded to include people over the 400% threshold, like everything else was expanded.
09:24And the Democrats haven't retracted any of it. Massive increases in spending as a result
09:29of COVID-19, which they never want to pull back. The COVID expansion of Obamacare expanded the subsidies
09:37in two ways. It increased subsidies for people earning less than 400% at the poverty level. Okay.
09:43Their subsidies increased. But for the first time, it also provided subsidies for people above the
09:48cutoff level, over the 400% level, four times poverty. These were designed just as those in the
09:54original Obamacare were, to phase out gradually as income increases. Today, a major argument from the
10:01left to extend subsidies is that people above the 400% level cannot afford health insurance,
10:06either without the subsidies. So the increased subsidies for those at the poverty level and
10:11four times the poverty level should not only stay but increased, but the increased subsidies and the
10:17addition of subsidies to people over the threshold should continue and be increased. This will cost
10:24hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars to the taxpayers. Obamacare is a complete and utter
10:30failure. Remember, it was supposed to reduce premiums across the board by $2,500. They lied. He lied. The
10:39media lied. Every Democrat voted for it. I believe every Republican voted against it. People who could
10:45purchase insurance and pay less than the affordability threshold would receive no federal
10:50subsidies because the Obamacare program deemed insurance as affordable for these people. So the
10:55architects of Obamacare didn't believe it was necessary to extend the subsidies beyond 400% of the federal
11:00poverty level because few would need them with premiums at the time. So what's happened? Obamacare
11:06blew up the system. It blew up the premiums. It blew up the cost of health care. If the Obamacare had worked
11:13as promised, premiums would have risen much slower than they have. In fact, premiums have risen so fast,
11:18it has undercut the original design of the program. And now politicians are calling for an expansion.
11:23The program's blown up and the Democrats want to expand it. Typical, isn't it? In any context,
11:30it's unwise to spend additional money on a failed program without reforming it to fix the underlying
11:35problem. And it is no different with Obamacare. So the Democrats are saying, we don't want to fix it.
11:42We want massive increases in inflow of money into Obamacare. This is how the Educational Labor
11:48Committee, the Republicans, put it. 12 years ago, Democrats unloaded the Affordable Care Act,
11:54also known as Obamacare, onto the American people. Since then, the costs of health care and insurance
11:58have skyrocketed. Here are five reasons why Obamacare has done so. Even those on Obamacare
12:04exchange are facing difficulties because unsubsidized plants are plagued with extremely high deductibles.
12:10An average family of four receiving unsubsidized coverage through Obamacare must spend $25,000
12:18out of pocket on premiums before insurance kicks in. This is unaffordable for most families,
12:24particularly during an inflation crisis. Again, Obamacare. Additionally, many Obamacare plans
12:29have narrow networks that tend to exclude the best hospitals and best doctors in certain areas.
12:34Conversely, employer-based plans typically provide richer and more comprehensive coverage
12:40that plans offered on Obamacare exchanges. In simple terms, more options mean better coverage.
12:45So what do they want to do? They want to destroy the employer-subsidized plans.
12:50They want to expand Obamacare, devour the private plans, and pull them under Obamacare.
12:56Massively increase the subsidies to Obamacare. Number two, Obamacare increases American reliance
13:01on the federal government. Over 155 million Americans rely on and are satisfied with their
13:06employer-sponsored or ESI plans. In fact, 75% of Americans say that coverage played a role in their
13:12decision to accept their current job. Democrats are attempting to destroy the powerful benefit
13:17for employees and increase workers' reliance on the federal government by moving them into the
13:22exchange plans with higher deductibles, lower actuarial value, narrower networks.
13:28So Obamacare is imploding. It's taking most of the healthcare system with it, government and private.
13:36And the Democrats say, well, we just need to pay more money for Obamacare and bring more people
13:41into the system. That's the fight. Now that Obamacare is considered the law of the land,
13:47multiple Democrats have called for its expansion by siphoning Americans from employer-sponsored
13:52coverage. They're accomplishing this by weakening the firewall between these employer-subsidy
13:57insurance plans and Obamacare plans. The firewall currently keeps workers in their employer-sponsored
14:03plans, which keeps employee-sponsored insurance risk pools healthy and premiums low. The Democrats
14:09build back better America would weaken the firewall and force many of you who have private plans
14:15through your employers into Obamacare, which is imploding. That's their plan.
14:21That's what Hakeem Jeffries won't tell you. Bernie Sanders, that's his dream. That's what the media
14:27won't tell you. On a per-person basis, Obamacare is far more expensive than anticipated for taxpayers.
14:35Now, what else? Are illegal aliens getting healthcare?
14:39Now, Mark, you said that Obamacare is blowing up the other system. When you drive up the cost of doctors,
14:46the cost of hospitals, the cost of prescriptions, because Obamacare is imploding, you drive it up
14:52for Medicare, you drive it up for Medicaid, you drive it up for all private insurance programs.
14:57And the Democrats want to expand it. They want to steal your private healthcare. They want you to have
15:02inferior healthcare, but they want to be able to say everybody has healthcare. You know what? I'm not
15:07interested in the Cuban model, the Venezuelan model, and all the other failed models. Just
15:12because everybody has healthcare doesn't mean everybody gets medical attention. There is a
15:16difference, you know. Center for Immigration Studies. Of course, illegal immigrants access
15:21public healthcare benefits. It is illegal for illegal aliens to get healthcare. You've heard senators like
15:26Senator Coons from Delaware go on and repeat himself and yell over hosts and say,
15:30you're not allowed to get it. What did they do? What did they do? Well, the Center for Immigration
15:36Studies points out that you have different categories of illegal immigration that the Biden regime
15:41essentially made legal, at least temporarily. It's like Mondami wants to reduce crime in New York
15:47by eliminating misdemeanors. Okay, I guess that reduces the phraseology if you use the semantics.
15:55So it's semantical. So they get on TV, these Democrats, it's illegal. You get CNN and MSNBC
16:01hosts and others who say, but it's illegal. Here's the provision. It's illegal. What Biden did is
16:06millions and millions of illegal aliens were, through word games, said to be here temporarily, legally,
16:15on parole, five-year wait period. And so they're not technically illegal, say the Democrats, even though
16:26they're still illegal under the law. They say they're not technically illegal. That's what they're saying.
16:33Huge numbers, millions, are now on Medicaid and other government programs. You know, people don't
16:40realize, even putting Medicaid aside, illegal aliens get free health care. They walk into emergency rooms
16:46and so forth. So if you flood the country with 20 illegal aliens and they have access to emergency
16:51rooms and they were having access to Medicaid and so forth, that's an additional weight on the system,
16:57in addition to what they've done to Obamacare. They're destroying health care in America.
17:03That's what they're doing. And they're demanding, through blackmail, that the Republicans join them.
17:10Not on a vote. On the outcome. They want the outcome. They're saying, you do what we say.
17:17You expand Obamacare. You increase taxpayer subsidies to Obamacare. Don't reform it. Expand it.
17:24And yes, you reverse course on the president's big, beautiful bill. And you include illegal aliens in
17:30that health care. But they don't call them illegal aliens. They call them legal. I guess that fix it.
17:36You do those things or the military is not getting paid. Now you should better understand
17:43what the Democrats are doing, how they're doing it and why they're doing it. I'll be right back.
17:51Welcome back, America. We're here with a great general, a former four star, well,
17:55four star general retired. That's not easy to do. The great general, Jack Keane. Welcome,
18:01general. General, let's jump right into this. We've got the 20 point peace plan in the Middle East,
18:07which is really a phenomenal achievement. And now the issue is enforcing, particularly phase two.
18:13The hostages are back. Those who are alive, which is really key. Fantastic. There's still some bodies of
18:19hostages that are not back. That seems to be drip, drip, drip. But I want to get to this issue of
18:25Hamas. It was abundantly clear that Hamas was to disarm, was to surrender, was to have no role in
18:34Gaza. Not a role in part of Gaza, not a role in cleaning out gangs. That was it. That was key.
18:42Because Hamas is the issue. Hamas is the one that attacked. Hamas is a terrorist regime. Hamas
18:48threatens Israel. Hamas has killed 20 Americans. Hamas is the issue. So my question to you is this.
18:54I'm not reading about safe zones where Israel has a temporary border moved back to that's about 52%
19:03of Gaza. So 48% of Gaza is not a safe zone. And Hamas has gone there, slaughtering its opposition,
19:11reinforcing its positions, redeploying, basically digging in. So I'm concerned about this. I'm
19:18concerned about this because if we're talking about safe zones, I know they're saying that'll be
19:22temporary. I'm worried about a situation like a North Korea, South Korea situation. What do you make of
19:28this? Yeah, well, Sonny, what's happening here is a challenge of phase two itself. And I think right from
19:36the beginning, we got a Hamas deal in a sense that release all the hostages, go to a ceasefire,
19:45but also agree to step down as governance and disarm. They made that stipulation. They agreed to it. And
19:57enter President Trump here and helping with that because he put pressure on Egypt, Turkey,
20:02and the Qataris, who have relationships with Hamas. In the case of Egypt and Turkey and Qataris,
20:12there's an element of Muslim Brotherhood there. And they've also been, particularly Qataris,
20:20financing them. So that pressure applied to Hamas. Political pressure stepped down. Also,
20:26your financing is going to dry up. Also, you're going to be isolated. So in a sense, Hamas saw
20:33an end in sight one way or the other, because they were losing their political, diplomatic and
20:40financial support. So they gave in. But President Trump and Prime Minister Netanyahu certainly huddled
20:47on this issue and said, you know, at the end of the day, these guys have made a deal initially,
20:52but it's likely they're going to renege and not disarm and not give up power. And if that happens,
21:01President Trump made a public statement to support Prime Minister Netanyahu and the IDF to go back in
21:07there and finish them off once and for all. That was part of the announcement of the deal. Later on
21:15in that statement, he endorsed that. So we are rapidly approaching that piece.
21:21I think what's at play here, and I'm trusting this is just temporary, given the fact that 53%
21:31of Gaza is under Israeli control. And we do know there's genuine humanitarian suffering taking place
21:37here. So we can begin to restore those regions humanitarian wise and help them in terms of food,
21:45medical assistance and the rest and also begin some element of restoration. What about the Hamas piece?
21:55Well, the challenge we have is getting an international stabilization force, Mark,
22:01in place and being given them the mission and the willingness to disarm Hamas. Some of these countries
22:09are willing to be the peace enforcement force as long as it doesn't involve any violence on their part,
22:15as long as it doesn't pertain to anything but defensive protection for their force, as opposed to offensive
22:23capability to go in and take control away from Hamas. So stitching that force together is a challenge
22:31right now. And if this is just temporary and the reality is Israel is going to get the green light
22:38to go in there and finish Hamas once and for all, I think that's fine. If this is a ruse and people
22:46who are advocating this see this as a degree of permanent solution, that is dead wrong. And believe me,
22:54Prime Minister Netanyahu, after my conversations I have, you probably had the same. And I know President
23:00Trump has had the same. He's going to go in and finish Hamas once and for all. It needs to be done.
23:07And I completely agree with that. And as of right now, certainly the president is supporting that.
23:12I think what they want to try is see if this international stabilization force can do that mission.
23:18One, they got to agree to do it. And two, then therefore they have the will. And can they do it?
23:24As well. Remains to be seen. There's a lot of challenges here with phase two.
23:29When we come back, General, I want to discuss with you Russia and Ukraine. We'll be right back.
23:37Welcome back, America. Russia and Ukraine. I feel like, General, we discussed these issues and we must
23:43for years, but we need to keep at this and tap into your brilliance and experience here.
23:48I have a simple question for you. Other than Ukraine's, you know, inventiveness in terms of
23:56offensive weapons and drones and trying to hit targets in Russia, if the West, whether it's Europe,
24:04whether it's us, whether it's a combination of us, don't provide Ukraine with the weapons necessary
24:11to hit the interior of Russia and to hit their military sites and so forth and so on.
24:15I just don't see the former KBG agent Putin. And I can see his behavior over the course of the last
24:23several years here. I just don't see him sitting down agreeing to a peace deal
24:28that makes any sense other than essentially Ukraine surrendering all of the land that's already lost
24:34and without any serious security arrangements going forward. I just don't see it. Am I wrong?
24:41No, you're absolutely right. I mean, Putin's objectives are to topple a government in Ukraine,
24:47take the country over, use that as an anchor to expand into Eastern Europe. How do we know that?
24:52Because that's what he said time and time again. He's got two false narratives out there
24:58to support him in that one, the justification for doing it in the first place, because
25:03NATO is encroaching with the new Eastern European members that they took on beginning in the 1990s,
25:10who used to be part of the Soviet Union, didn't want any part of being part of Russia going forward,
25:15saw them as a threat and wanted the protection of NATO. Putin turns that around and says,
25:21Eastern Europe is encroaching on us. And that is a security problem that we have.
25:25That is absolute rubbish. But there's people in the United States who have bought into that false
25:30narrative. There's no offensive weapons on the Eastern European border. There's no designs in
25:35NATO or in any one of those countries to invade Russia. We don't even have enough troops there to
25:41defend the Eastern boundaries, to be quite frank about it, much less conduct some kind of offensive
25:46operation. That's an absurdity. False narrative and people buy into it. The second false narrative,
25:52and it gets to the heart of the issue here, is we're winning this war and it's inevitable we're
25:57going to win. And we have people in the United States and some people who have provided advice
26:03to the president who buy into that narrative. It is completely false. What am I talking about?
26:08Here's the facts. In 2025 alone, Russia is moving at a foot pace in positional warfare. What do I mean
26:18by that? They have taken 0.6% additional territory so far this entire year out of the territory they
26:26already own. That is it. And they are taking over 1,000 casualties a day, over 300,000 casualties
26:35so far in making those slight marginal gains. And Putin is suggesting that he's winning the war doing
26:43this. We at the Institute for Study of War don't see him being able to take all of southern Ukraine for
26:49years to come given the capability his force has today. Poorly led and poorly trained, well equipped
26:58to be sure, but use institutional problems. Despite the fact they're fighting a smaller nation and a much
27:06poorer nation that doesn't have the defense industrial base that they have. But he believes time is on his
27:14side and he can weaken the resolve of the United States and its leadership. We can resolve the
27:20Europeans and their leadership and break the will of the Ukrainian people by escalating the war and now
27:25killing thousands of them with drones and ballistic missiles. And he thinks all of that combined,
27:32pressure on Ukraine people to make concessions with the government to make concessions, pressure on
27:37the United States and the Euros to back away, then it becomes his. That is what he's about. He has not made
27:43a single concession, not one concession whatsoever. He wouldn't even think of going to a ceasefire.
27:51Why is that? Because he doesn't want Ukraine to get stronger. It is that simple. He thinks he can
27:57wear us down until such time as we put pressure on him to change his behavior. He's going to continue
28:04suggesting that war is the best option for me. So finally, we're seeing some real sanctions, Mark,
28:11on oil and those companies that he's hitting and all their subsidiaries is going to make a difference.
28:16This is not my expert lane, but everybody had consults who knows about this in significant
28:23detail of what's actually going to take place. That's a positive step. President Trump has removed
28:29the restrictions on the use of Ukrainian weapon systems. Military pressure is very important here,
28:35as much as economic pressure is. And we've got to give them all the offensive weapons we can give
28:42them to reach deep into Russia. So our audience understands Russia has their largest Shah head drone
28:51factory outside the range of the current weapons that Ukraine has that we've given them and the Europeans
28:58by design. And they are manufacturing thousands of these every single week. When they swarm into a Ukrainian
29:06city, it is the Shah head drones that are doing that swarming. They need these Tomahawk missiles to defeat
29:13that Abeluga Manufacturing Center. And they need the Tomahawk missiles to defeat the major air power
29:21infrastructure, the bombers that are delivering the cruise and ballistic missiles every single night
29:28at the Ukrainian population. Now, I think you're quite right. And if we learn anything from the Middle East,
29:33it was providing Israel with the right weapons that they could use
29:38that result ultimately in this peace deal. Because Iran wasn't going to go along with peace. Hamas wasn't
29:45going to go along with anything else like that. It was that they had no choice. Their backs were against
29:50the wall. General, I want to thank you very, very much. We really appreciate your insight. God bless you,
29:56my friend. Yeah, great talking to you, Mark, and your audience as always. We'll be right back.
30:01Welcome back, America. We're here with our friend Katie Pavlich, who really is brilliant. And we love
30:07having her on the program. She's the head muckety-muck over there at Town Hall, which is a great site.
30:11Katie Pavlich. There was a piece in the New York Post, Zorhan Mandami, most popular with foreign-born
30:19New Yorkers, but Cuomo favorite with homegrown voters. Isn't this what the Democrat Party is all
30:24about? Changing the citizenry, among other things. And they use, exploit and abuse immigrants and illegal
30:31immigrants to get what they want. And so now you've got this guy who I argue is a Marxist Islamist.
30:36He's a Jew hater. He's American hater. He's got all the connections to all the really wrong people,
30:43vile people. And he's got a huge support base, 62 percent of foreign-born vote,
30:50according to the New York Post. What do you make of that? Well, first, Mark, thank you,
30:53as always, for having me on your program. It's great to see you. Well, there's two things here. There's,
30:58of course, the illegal immigration aspect of this, which we saw in full play under the Biden
31:02administration pushing 20 million-plus illegal aliens into the country in hopes they would be
31:07able to stay forever and that some time down the road, Congress would get together with some kind
31:12of amnesty package to turn them into citizens and eventually voters for the Democrat Party.
31:18When it comes to what's happening in New York with the foreign-born support for Zorhan Mamdani,
31:25you'll have to keep in mind that, look, we have illegal immigration in this country,
31:28but that doesn't necessarily mean it's good immigration. We accept applicants from all over
31:34the world, which typically has been a good thing for America. But when we accept people from places
31:38that hate our values, who are coming here to work against the country, Mahmoud Khalil is a good
31:44example of this, a Syrian national who came to America, tried to get his citizenship, and then has
31:50been now been deported after riling up pro-Hamas rallies at Columbia University and starting riots,
31:57including allegedly holding hostage janitors at that university during those campus riots.
32:04And so just because someone's coming here as a legal immigrant doesn't necessarily mean that they
32:09are willing to accept our way of life, that they're interested in the foundational principles of America,
32:14or that they're interested in a simulation. So that's certainly a question that Americans have
32:19to grapple with about what does it actually mean to come here to become an American rather than
32:25supporting someone who believes in communism, who won't denounce jihad, who has been palling around
32:31recently with an unindicted co-conspirator of the 9-11 attacks, someone who, until he had to walk
32:37it back in a debate, refused to say Hamas should disarm. This is someone whose ideology is antithetical to
32:44the ideology and the founding principles of our country. And we're starting to see that playing
32:48out in New York in terms of the voters who the native born are supporting Cuomo and the non-native
32:55born are supporting Zerham Adani. I mean, it's very well put. I mean, we see what's going on in
32:59Europe. It is horrendous what's going on in Britain, what's going on in France and other parts of Europe.
33:05I've made the point here many times, we're only three, four, five years behind them. If it wasn't for
33:11Donald Trump, we'd be right there too, right now. And so there's no assimilation taking place in this
33:17country, not in our public schools, quite the opposite. 1619 Projects, CRT were preached,
33:24the preaching by the radical left-wing unions against our country, our faculty. I mean,
33:28his father is a faculty member at Columbia where he's preaching terrorism. His mother is a recipient
33:34of funds from Qatar where she's putting out propaganda films. So when we come back,
33:40you make the point that Americans need to really start focusing on this.
33:43What about the Democrat Party? They seem very focused on this. They're all for it. They are
33:49supporting it. They are promoting it. Can a political party love the country as an institution
33:55when it is supporting and promoting this sort of thing? We'll be right back.
34:00Welcome back, America. The Democrat Party, Katie, we were talking about endorses all this. These entities,
34:06these groups find a home in the Democrat Party. I have a piece in the Washington Times front page
34:10earlier this week. Tracker tip line escalates ICE fight where the Democrats are devising strategies
34:15to blow the whistle on ICE officers to give a heads up to illegal immigrants, including,
34:19you know, multiple criminals and so forth. What do you make of it? Is the Democrat Party
34:24really supportive of America as an institution? No, their behavior completely rejects that.
34:30They've very clearly been taking the side of criminal illegal aliens. They have been working
34:35against deportation of the most violent people inside our country that have been causing a lot of
34:41havoc and crime inside our cities and inside small towns all across the country, victimizing
34:48American citizens. And they fly to places like El Salvador to try and prevent those kinds of people from
34:54being deported or suffering consequences for breaking our laws. You have the governor of Illinois saying he's
35:00going to prosecute ICE agents for doing their job and cleaning up Chicago, which has one of the highest
35:05murder rates in the country. We've seen them very clearly taking sides on these issues. And when it
35:10comes to the Democratic Party as a whole politically, they've been completely taken over by the far left.
35:16And those who would be considered, quote, moderate are too terrified to even speak out against the
35:23commandeering of their party. And, you know, we were just talking about Zora Mondani. He is part of the
35:28Democratic Socialist movement that has taken over the Democratic Party and they have a plan. You know, I keep
35:35hearing Republicans say, we want Mom Donnie to win in New York because it'll be good for us when it comes to
35:41midterm elections. I think that's a big mistake. The Democratic Socialists of America are training multiple
35:47candidates just like Mom Donnie with that ideology to go into Democratic primaries and to win based on
35:54intimidation and these far left tactics that we've seen playing out. And they have a plan to take over
36:00not just, you know, the education institutions they've already done, but to get these people
36:05elected inside local offices and here in Washington, D.C. So this is a mistake to think that this is just a
36:11one off. This can't happen again, that these are crazy ideas that are being rejected. There is a complete
36:16organized movement behind these far left communist jihadist candidates who want power in America to upend
36:25the entire system of governance and the principles that we've had for hundreds of years since the
36:30foundation of the country. And it's written in their in their ideology. It's written in their training manuals.
36:36It's all out there for people to see. And this is, of course, a larger project that started in the 1960s and 70s with the
36:42weather underground and other leftist movements that is now coming to fruition many, many years
36:47later after they captured the institutions of education and indoctrination and now put that out
36:52into another of other places inside the country. Wow. That is so crucial what you're saying. I
36:57couldn't agree more. And if you look at the major communist revolutions, whether it was Lenin, whether
37:02it was Mao, whether it was Castro and so forth and so on, those weren't majority revolutions. They were
37:08minority revolutions. Lenin had about 20 percent of the support of the people because they know how
37:13to grab the institutions, grab the so-called voting system, grab the media. So when people tell me,
37:19but America won't go for this, it's not a matter of America going for it. It's a matter of the
37:24instrumentalities of government and the culture being taken over. Your point is brilliant. Any final
37:29words about Mondami? If he's elected as mayor of New York, people seem to think, well, it's just four
37:36years. It may not be just four years. He may change the system, right? You know, New York's going to
37:40find out what this is like. And as you said, it doesn't take a majority to completely transform the
37:46way a system works or a way it can permeate through the rest of America. And as I was just saying,
37:52Mondani is a test case and they're starting in New York City, one of the most important
37:58free market capitalist cities in the entire world. And they're ready to turn it upside down and use that
38:04model elsewhere throughout the country. It's a revolutionary act that they're engaged in and
38:10they're doing it through elections by organizing and getting people just like Mondani ready to also
38:16run for office and take over these institutions to change them from the inside out. Great points.
38:22Thank you, Katie. God bless you and be well. Thanks very much. Thanks, Mark. We'll be right back.
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