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Speaker: Conrad Mbewe 康拉德·姆貝韋
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00:00What I'll do this morning is basically answer the question, are we preachers or witch doctors?
00:20Now that sounds strange, I know, to the American ear, but that's a very relevant question
00:28for my own situation back home, because that's a matter that I have raised, it's something
00:40I have dealt with in my blog, because it's a pertinent question.
00:46There's been clearly a shift in the way in which evangelicals, I keep putting that in
00:57quotation marks, relating to the pastoral ministry.
01:03To get us going, I want us to begin by reading 2 Timothy chapter 3, a passage that clearly
01:19demonstrates before us something of what a true preacher of the Word of God ought to be
01:28occupied with.
01:322 Timothy chapter 3 and verse 16.
01:42While you're getting there, let me quickly say something of what I said two evenings ago,
01:49that it will be a broad sweep that I will be giving you across what's happening back home
01:57in Africa.
01:58Invariably, some people will be caught up in that broad brush that may not completely fit
02:08into the description, but I trust you will appreciate that I only have so much time with me.
02:18So clearly, that's at least something you can bear with in order to achieve the greater good.
02:292 Timothy 3 and verse 16.
02:35The Apostle Paul writes,
02:39All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness,
02:50so that, there's the famous phrase, the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.
03:00In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead,
03:08and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge, preach the word.
03:17Be prepared in season and out of season, correct, rebuke, and encourage with great patience and careful instruction.
03:30I'll end my reading there.
03:32This is the last surviving epistle that the Apostle Paul wrote on the eve of his own departure.
03:43As the last chapter goes on to say, he's conscious of the fact that he will soon leave the scene of his labors.
03:54More or less the way in which the Lord Jesus Christ, in the upper room discourse,
04:00was also speaking and ending with the prayer that we quoted last time.
04:05Both of them are conscious that they are living, but with their departure will not come the end of the Christian church.
04:15And so, there is a defining moment in which they are saying,
04:21this is what you ought to concentrate on.
04:27The Lord, in his prayer, the Apostle Paul, in a direct exhortation.
04:33And as you'll notice from these few words that we have read,
04:38the Apostle is quick to clarify in Timothy's mind the primary instrument that he is to use.
04:51It's divinely inspired, and it is sufficient for all the work
04:59the man of God is required to do.
05:04So that he might be thoroughly, completely, adequately equipped for every good work.
05:15The second, best on the first, is that he puts a charge upon him.
05:22A hair-raising charge, invoking the name of God the Father, God the Son,
05:33pointing to the coming judgment.
05:36And he says to him, not only that you are to preach,
05:41but that you are to preach the Word.
05:45You are to expound these same scriptures I've spoken about.
05:53And thirdly, not only when you've got an audience that's willing and ready
06:00and looking forward to hearing what you have to say,
06:04but even when men and women are stopping their ears,
06:08preach it.
06:10Be patient, but preach it.
06:11Do all you can to ensure that this happens.
06:19Let me read to you two newspaper clippings from back home.
06:29And they will be referring to three evangelical preachers.
06:38Again, notice my fingers.
06:40I'm putting that in quotation marks.
06:44Both of them were this year.
06:50The first is July the 8th.
06:54And this is what it says.
06:55A Lusaka-based clergyman, who in 2012 alone impregnated at least 10 women
07:06among his followers, has finally been divorced by his long-suffering wife.
07:13Bishop Emmanuel Chica of the Restoration Deliverance Church was sued by his wife
07:27for divorce after his skirt evangelism was published in the media in September 2012.
07:38His wife, Alice, decided to end the marriage after seeing for herself the number of children
07:47the pastor has served within the church.
07:54And at the local court, the wife also revealed the witchcraft Chica uses.
08:01The second, it was also in the same month in a different part of the country.
08:12And I'll skip a lot because it's a longer newspaper article.
08:17But I just want you to catch something of the flavor.
08:20Remember, the Chipata, Major Suites Court, has heard how two clergymen sexually assaulted
08:29two women whom they paraded naked in the hills while casting out demons.
08:40Their names are mentioned.
08:42The first is referred to as a prophet and the second as a pastor.
08:47The lady recounts, Prophet Ngalande told me, my sister, my sister-in-law, to carry a pulpit
08:57to his house.
08:58And then from there, it was to write down a prayer request.
09:02And then from there, taken to the hills for prayers.
09:07The following day, April 25th.
09:10They made us lie down with our bodies facing up and asked us to remove our tops.
09:20I could go on.
09:22The whole thing gets dirty.
09:25I'll spoil your morning if I read the details.
09:29Suffice it to say that they were sexually abused on those mountains, rather on those hills.
09:39How can this be happening so frequently among so-called evangelical churches today, right across Africa?
09:59These are two newspaper clippings from the month of July, this year.
10:06The answer I would give, and I hope to prove the point to you this morning, is that it is due to the seismic shift
10:19that has taken place in the popular understanding of who a pastor is across a large section of Africa.
10:33What we read in the Bible a few minutes ago is not what is in the popular mind back home.
10:48That a pastor is someone who faithfully studies the Bible, preaches it in its context,
11:01applies it in the context of God's people.
11:05No.
11:05And what you need to appreciate is that the charismatic movement in Africa has evolved further than its American counterpart,
11:18especially in its portrayal of the person often referred to as the man of God.
11:26Going back some 30-odd years, this title was very rare.
11:36I was already a Christian then.
11:39I hardly ever heard a pastor being referred to as such.
11:46Today, it is the popular phrase.
11:50I don't know how many times a day I'm called man of God.
12:04Pastors then were seen primarily as preachers and teachers.
12:13Their prominence hung on their levels of giftedness.
12:20In explaining the word of God.
12:27That has largely changed.
12:36And one cannot help but recognize why this changed.
12:43The initial Pentecostalism that visited the shores of Africa did not directly aim to move the word of God off center stage.
13:07I mentioned that two nights ago.
13:13Rather, what it did was to apparently add the miraculous phenomena of the extraordinary gifts without subtracting the original perception.
13:28And consequently, you went to such a church, and you would hear some effort at exposition.
13:42It's just that after the exposition, there would be that extra time for those of you with all kinds of problems to come forward to be prayed for.
13:54However, like the story of the Arabian camel, human fascination for the mysterious has caused
14:09one thing to lead to another until preaching in the popular charismatic circles across Africa has lost content
14:23and is largely nothing more than motivational platitudes followed by a lot of shouting and chanting.
14:36I think that much, you need to turn to your own television channels with your popular charismatic preachers
14:50and I'll say, what you're seeing there, just change the skin color and it could be back home.
14:57Apart from, of course, the nice buildings you have here.
15:01But largely, that's what you have.
15:11Nice phrases, perhaps a quotation from the Bible here or there, often tortured out of what it's really saying.
15:22And then, the height of the preaching is really the preacher looking like he's now demon-possessed or something.
15:38Becoming crazy, if not looking mad.
15:45But often, back home now, what is important is what follows after that.
15:56And that's where the man of God rested out of the context in which we saw Timothy being referred to as such.
16:07The man of God, the man of God, the man of God, then takes on the role only equivalent to that of a village witch doctor.
16:19And let me explain.
16:24Timothy was being told here,
16:28your job is that of preaching,
16:31preaching the word.
16:34That which has just been described in the earlier verses as being God-breathed,
16:42as being useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting, and training in righteousness.
16:49Timothy, major in that.
16:55Well, the situation back home
16:57is that, in fact,
17:00the work begins
17:02after
17:04the motivational talk is over.
17:08That was but the beginning.
17:11And it begins, therefore,
17:13with the laying on of hands
17:15as the multitudes begin to come forward.
17:20They were hardly even listening to that talk.
17:23They were waiting
17:24for this person who is reeking with power
17:31to do his work.
17:37This is often during prolonged church services,
17:44overnight prayer meetings,
17:47and all day prayer times
17:53on the hills.
17:59And when I say on the hills,
18:00I hope your mind goes to that newspaper clipping.
18:04It's a regular phenomenon.
18:06You go into the hills
18:09and you find the men of God
18:14busy
18:16praying,
18:19or at least
18:20they claim.
18:23The third thing is,
18:25there is
18:26no effort
18:28at biblical counseling
18:31when people
18:32come with their problems.
18:34No effort.
18:35If a person says,
18:39you know,
18:39I've been
18:39in and out of jobs,
18:41there's nothing like,
18:43okay,
18:43let's talk about
18:44your work ethics.
18:50Are you hardworking
18:51or lazy?
18:52Are you?
18:52when a couple
18:58come forward
18:59and say
18:59they've got
19:00serious
19:01marital problems,
19:04there's nothing like,
19:05okay,
19:08man,
19:08do you love
19:10your wife
19:11as Christ
19:12loved the church?
19:13Are you working
19:14in that direction?
19:15Madam,
19:17would you say that
19:18about your husband?
19:19What?
19:23And madam,
19:24do you submit
19:25to your husband's
19:26leadership in the home
19:28as the church
19:30submits to Christ
19:31and so?
19:32Does she do that to you?
19:34There's nothing like that.
19:38We're having
19:38marital problems?
19:42Come forward,
19:43I'll pray for you.
19:43In fact,
19:47often when I'm
19:48driving
19:48and long distances
19:50I try to
19:51listen to the radio
19:52and every so often
19:54you come across
19:55one of these pastors
19:56and
19:57he's
20:00got a radio
20:02broadcast
20:03where someone else
20:04is reading letters
20:05to him
20:05and he's responding.
20:07You can guess
20:08what the answer
20:09is going to be
20:10almost invariably.
20:11And it's
20:14something like this.
20:16We've got
20:17marriage problems.
20:18Blah, blah, blah, blah.
20:20So man of God,
20:21what can you say
20:22to that?
20:23Madam,
20:24come for our
20:25overnight prayer meeting.
20:27This Friday
20:28we'll be having it
20:28and we'll pray for you.
20:30You need to be delivered.
20:31Next.
20:35I'm having
20:35problems
20:36with conceiving.
20:38It's been years
20:38and so on.
20:39Man of God,
20:41what's your answer?
20:42Come for the
20:43overnight prayer meeting.
20:44You need a breakthrough
20:46in that area
20:48of your marriage.
20:48Come.
20:49Friday
20:49we'll be having
20:50it in such and such a place.
20:52That's the
20:52panacea
20:54for all the
20:55ill.
20:58There will be
20:59deliverance.
21:00Come.
21:03There are no
21:05moral questions
21:06asked.
21:07Rather,
21:09it's precisely
21:10what the
21:11witch doctor
21:13in the village
21:14does.
21:16Two things
21:18show the
21:19similarities.
21:20First of all,
21:22it is
21:23the claim
21:25towards
21:26spiritual
21:27discernment
21:29after
21:30a lengthy
21:31time
21:32of prayer
21:33prayer
21:34in which
21:35the man
21:35of God
21:36seems
21:40to have
21:40secret
21:41dealings
21:42with God.
21:44God
21:45is
21:45somehow
21:46communicating
21:47to him
21:48what
21:49you have
21:51absolutely
21:52no knowledge
21:53of.
21:55And then
21:55having
21:58as it
21:59were
21:59heard
21:59from
21:59God,
22:00he
22:01then
22:01tells
22:02you
22:02what
22:02the
22:02problem
22:03is.
22:06That's
22:07exactly
22:07what the
22:08witch doctor
22:08does.
22:13You tell
22:14him what
22:14your
22:14problem
22:14is,
22:16he goes
22:17into a
22:17little corner
22:18somewhere,
22:19goes into
22:19some form
22:20of trance,
22:21moves a
22:22few pebbles
22:23around,
22:23and then
22:26announces
22:27to you
22:27that your
22:30problem
22:30is that
22:32your
22:32neighbor
22:32has
22:34managed to
22:34get through
22:35to your
22:36dead
22:36uncle,
22:37and your
22:38dead
22:38uncle
22:39is the
22:40one who
22:40is now
22:40obstructing
22:41this
22:42pregnancy
22:42from taking
22:43place.
22:47Exactly
22:47the same.
22:51But the
22:52second,
22:52especially
22:53with respect
22:53to healing,
22:55is that
22:56like the
22:56village witch
22:57doctor,
22:58the
22:58African
22:59charismatic
23:00preacher
23:01sees a
23:02conventional
23:03medical
23:03doctor as
23:04a competitor.
23:06That's
23:07very much
23:07like what
23:08you might
23:08have here.
23:10To go
23:10to a
23:11hospital
23:11after being
23:12prayed for
23:13is a
23:14betrayal of
23:15trust and
23:17a lack
23:17of faith.
23:19You are
23:19undoing
23:21what the
23:22man of
23:23God
23:23has
23:23done.
23:30It's
23:31exactly
23:32what the
23:32witch
23:32doctor does
23:33as well.
23:35I've done
23:36this for
23:36you.
23:38Don't
23:39go for
23:40the white
23:40man's
23:41medicine.
23:43Otherwise,
23:44what I have
23:45done for
23:46you will
23:47lose its
23:48potency.
23:48The
23:51result of
23:51this is
23:53that many
23:54people have
23:55died of
23:56illnesses
23:57that can
23:58be cured
23:59by conventional
24:00medicines.
24:02Often,
24:03they go to
24:04hospitals when
24:05it is
24:06too late.
24:10I've got
24:11doctors in
24:11my own
24:12church,
24:13and every
24:14so often,
24:15this is the
24:16frustration they
24:17express.
24:18once upon a
24:21time,
24:22they came
24:24too late,
24:26and when
24:26they took
24:27off their
24:28garments,
24:31they found
24:32the
24:32etchings all
24:34over their
24:35bodies,
24:36and they
24:37knew why
24:37these people
24:38came late.
24:40It's because
24:41they had
24:42been to the
24:43witch doctor,
24:44and he had
24:45told them
24:45they were
24:47cured.
24:49Now,
24:51especially with
24:52city folks,
24:54those markings
24:55are not on
24:56their bodies.
24:59But upon
25:00being asked,
25:02it soon
25:02becomes evident,
25:04especially when
25:04they ask the
25:05relatives,
25:07the reason
25:08why this
25:09person took
25:10so long
25:11is because
25:12he had
25:14been up
25:14the mountain
25:15with a
25:19bishop,
25:21a prophet,
25:23an apostle,
25:25so and so.
25:28And sadly,
25:29often,
25:30it's too
25:30late,
25:31and the
25:33people die.
25:34now,
25:38we must
25:41be ready
25:42now to
25:42answer the
25:43question I
25:43asked at the
25:44beginning of
25:44my message.
25:46How can
25:47this be
25:48happening
25:48so frequently
25:50among so-called
25:52evangelical
25:54churches?
25:54that a
26:02wife
26:03should
26:05know
26:05that my
26:07husband
26:08has been
26:10sleeping
26:10around
26:11with girls
26:12in the
26:13church,
26:14and she
26:15still zipped
26:16her mouth,
26:18sits there,
26:19and listens
26:20to him
26:21preaching,
26:23and
26:26apparently
26:27reeking
26:28with
26:29power?
26:37How can
26:39individuals
26:42be so
26:43ignorant
26:46as to
26:49follow
26:50these pastors
26:51into the
26:53middle of
26:53a bush,
26:56up a
26:56mountain,
26:58alone
26:58with them
26:59for prayer?
27:03Why can't
27:04they pray
27:04in that
27:05house where
27:06they were?
27:06I want to
27:18repeat,
27:19it's the
27:19seismic
27:20shift in
27:21the way
27:21the public
27:22views an
27:24African
27:25charismatic
27:26pastor.
27:28It has
27:28resulted in
27:30blind
27:31loyalty,
27:32especially
27:33among the
27:34followers.
27:35that
27:37phrase,
27:38man
27:39of
27:40God,
27:41is the
27:44equivalent
27:44of the
27:46phrase,
27:47the village
27:48witch
27:49doctor.
27:52There is
27:53some
27:53eerie
27:54mysteriousness
27:57around
27:58this
27:59individual.
27:59like the
28:05village
28:06witch
28:06doctor,
28:07this
28:07individual
28:08has
28:09keys
28:11that
28:12unlock
28:12the
28:13mysterious
28:14world
28:15that
28:15enables
28:16him
28:16to know
28:17things in
28:18the spirit
28:19world
28:20that
28:21we
28:23lesser
28:24mortals
28:25know
28:26nothing
28:27about.
28:27therefore
28:32to
28:35oppose
28:38such a
28:38person
28:39or to
28:41expose
28:42such a
28:43person
28:43is to
28:45bring a
28:46curse
28:46upon
28:47yourself.
28:48and you
28:56can't
28:57miss it
28:57in the
28:59village
28:59context
29:00when a
29:02person
29:02comes
29:03from
29:03visiting
29:04a
29:04witch
29:04doctor
29:04and you
29:06say,
29:06tell me
29:07what
29:08happened
29:09there.
29:09Tell
29:09me.
29:10Tell me.
29:13You hardly
29:15have anything
29:15concrete.
29:16it.
29:20Because
29:21if I
29:24say
29:25anything
29:25here
29:26and it
29:28makes its
29:28way back
29:29to that
29:30witch
29:31doctor,
29:32he can
29:33put a
29:33curse
29:34upon my
29:35life
29:35and say
29:40anything.
29:41I know
29:42nothing.
29:43Nothing.
29:43And if
29:58you can
29:58imagine
29:58a
29:59context
29:59as I
30:00said
30:01two days
30:01ago
30:02where
30:02this
30:03book
30:03is
30:03closed.
30:08You're
30:08dealing
30:09with
30:09ignorance
30:10and
30:13consequently
30:14when
30:14this
30:15so-called
30:16man of
30:16God
30:17begins
30:18to say
30:18and do
30:19things
30:20that are
30:21obviously
30:21bordering
30:22on the
30:23immoral
30:24there is
30:28no premise
30:29on which
30:30you can
30:31blow
30:31the
30:32offside
30:32whistle.
30:33And it's
30:39shocking
30:39to me
30:40the
30:41number
30:42of
30:42women
30:43that
30:44finally
30:45come to
30:46the
30:46end of
30:47the
30:47road
30:47come
30:48and when
30:49they share
30:50the story
30:51you say
30:52but
30:52madam
30:53when
30:55this
30:55guy
30:56began
30:57to do
30:57this
30:58when he
30:58just
30:58began
30:59didn't
31:00you
31:00realize
31:01the
31:01whole
31:01thing
31:02was
31:02wrong
31:03it
31:03was
31:03immoral
31:04it
31:04was
31:05unbiblical
31:06and the
31:08answer
31:09is
31:09often
31:10well
31:13you know
31:14I thought
31:14as a
31:15man of
31:15God
31:16he
31:17knew
31:18what
31:18I
31:19didn't
31:19know
31:20and
31:21therefore
31:22I
31:23trusted
31:24him
31:25until
31:26it
31:27became
31:28too
31:29much
31:30and
31:38hence
31:39that
31:40newspaper
31:40clipping
31:41of a
31:44pastor's
31:45wife
31:45who
31:46finally
31:47gets
31:51tired
31:52of the
31:52whole
31:52thing
31:53where no
31:54less
31:55less
31:55than
31:55ten
31:55women
31:56in the
31:57church
31:58have
31:59children
32:00from
32:02her
32:02husband
32:03that's
32:04in
32:04Osaka
32:05the
32:06capital
32:06city
32:07of the
32:08whole
32:09country
32:09of
32:09Zambia
32:10this
32:13wife
32:14had
32:19been
32:19distraught
32:21for such
32:22a long
32:22time
32:23until
32:24finally
32:25she said
32:26enough
32:27is
32:28enough
32:29now
32:32brethren
32:32I wish
32:34this was
32:35just
32:35about
32:36cults
32:37I wish
32:41this
32:42was
32:42about
32:44some
32:45traditional
32:47African
32:47religion
32:48but
32:52I'm
32:52speaking
32:53here
32:53about
32:55what
32:55is
32:56first
32:56becoming
32:57the
32:58face
32:59of
33:00evangelical
33:01Christianity
33:02to the
33:03outside
33:03world
33:04it's
33:12a far
33:13cry
33:14from
33:14what
33:15we
33:15read
33:15in
33:162
33:17Timothy
33:18chapter
33:183
33:19and
33:19chapter
33:204
33:20often
33:28these
33:31individuals
33:32would be
33:34flashy
33:36in their
33:37dressing
33:38like
33:40worldly
33:40pop music
33:42idols
33:42with a
33:45feigned
33:46American
33:47accent
33:48of course
33:51the
33:52African
33:53accent
33:53is so
33:54strong
33:55that you
33:56can still
33:57detect it
33:58within
34:00that
34:00imported
34:01accent
34:01as I've
34:04already
34:04said
34:05the
34:05sermons
34:06are not
34:07worth
34:07listening
34:08to
34:08twice
34:08there is
34:11absolutely
34:12no
34:12exposition
34:13of
34:14scripture
34:14there is
34:17an
34:18observable
34:19absence
34:19of a
34:20display
34:21of the
34:22unsearchable
34:24riches
34:24of Christ
34:25repentance
34:30is
34:33conspicuous
34:34by its
34:35absence
34:35and
34:41there is
34:41no
34:42effort
34:43at
34:45working
34:46towards
34:47the
34:48people
34:49of God
34:50conforming
34:51to the
34:52image
34:53of
34:53Christ
34:54it is
34:55all
34:56about
34:57how
34:58you
34:59can
34:59get
35:00so
35:01much
35:02that
35:02you
35:03are
35:03looking
35:04for
35:04to
35:04spoil
35:05yourself
35:06with
35:06as I
35:15was
35:15preparing
35:16this
35:16I
35:18looked
35:19at a
35:19few
35:19of
35:20the
35:21statements
35:23coming
35:23from a
35:24number
35:24of
35:24them
35:24and
35:25I
35:25picked
35:26one
35:26which
35:26represents
35:27everything
35:27else
35:28I
35:30declare
35:31prosperity
35:32on your
35:33life
35:33in
35:34Jesus
35:35name
35:35why
35:40should
35:41his
35:41declaration
35:42be more
35:42powerful
35:42than
35:43mine
35:43I
35:47might
35:47as
35:48well
35:48be
35:48declaring
35:48prosperity
35:49on my
35:50own
35:50life
35:50in
35:51Jesus
35:51name
35:51why
35:52his
35:52he
35:53is
35:53the
35:53man
35:54of
35:54God
35:55there
35:59is
35:59power
36:00behind
36:00his
36:01words
36:02so
36:04when
36:04he
36:04makes
36:05that
36:05declaration
36:06something
36:07is
36:07supposedly
36:08happening
36:09hence
36:15the
36:15frequent
36:16irreverent
36:18repetition
36:19of
36:21in
36:22Jesus
36:22name
36:23in
36:24Jesus
36:25name
36:25in
36:26Jesus
36:27name
36:27in
36:28Jesus
36:29name
36:29in
36:30Jesus
36:31name
36:31the way
36:32in which
36:32the witch
36:33doctor
36:34in the
36:34village
36:34is also
36:35repeating
36:35some
36:36cunt
36:37phrase
36:37all over
36:38the place
36:38exactly
36:40the same
36:41thing
36:41in
36:48reality
36:48nothing
36:51is
36:53really
36:53happening
36:54that's
36:55worth
36:55talking
36:56about
36:56a few
36:58years ago
36:59because of
37:01people knowing
37:01my position
37:02with respect
37:02to all
37:03this
37:03I was
37:04invited
37:04to
37:05a live
37:07radio
37:07broadcast
37:08the
37:09second
37:09most
37:11in fact
37:11the most
37:12popular
37:12private
37:13radio
37:14in the
37:14whole
37:14country
37:15and the
37:17subject
37:18was
37:19miraculous
37:20healing
37:20today
37:21there were
37:23four of us
37:24who were
37:24supposed to be
37:25on the
37:25panel
37:25a Roman
37:27Catholic
37:28priest
37:28two
37:30famous
37:32charismatic
37:34pastors
37:34and
37:35myself
37:36one of
37:38the
37:39charismatic
37:40pastors
37:41a well
37:43known
37:43healer
37:44couldn't
37:45make it
37:46he said
37:47he was
37:48sick
37:48well
38:02he
38:05lied
38:06because
38:09immediately
38:10after the
38:11whole
38:11broadcast
38:11was over
38:12I met
38:13him
38:13at a
38:14shopping
38:14mall
38:15pushing
38:16a trolley
38:17full of
38:17goods
38:18together
38:18with his
38:18wife
38:19heading
38:19out
38:20to
38:20the
38:21car
38:21park
38:22but
38:23that's
38:23beside
38:23the
38:23point
38:24as
38:28the
38:29interview
38:30went
38:30on
38:30the
38:33Roman
38:33Catholic
38:33priest
38:34was
38:34always
38:34trying
38:35to be
38:35on
38:35the
38:36two
38:36sides
38:36of
38:36the
38:37argument
38:37every
38:37so
38:38often
38:38trying
38:38to
38:38show
38:39that
38:39yeah
38:39there's
38:40something
38:40you've
38:40said
38:41there
38:41that
38:41makes
38:41sense
38:42and
38:42there's
38:42something
38:42you've
38:42said
38:43there
38:43that
38:43made
38:43sense
38:43it
38:44was
38:44the
38:45charismatic
38:46person
38:47myself
38:47that
38:48basically
38:48locked
38:49horns
38:49since
38:51it
38:52was
38:53a
38:54live
38:54broadcast
38:55and
38:55people
38:55could
38:56call
38:56in
38:56I
38:57made
38:58the
38:58challenge
38:59I
39:00read
39:00the
39:00passage
39:01of
39:01scripture
39:01where
39:02John
39:04the
39:05Baptist
39:05disciples
39:06had
39:06inquired
39:08of him
39:09whether
39:10he was
39:10the
39:11one
39:11and
39:12Jesus
39:12said
39:13go
39:13and
39:13tell
39:14John
39:14what
39:14you
39:15have
39:15seen
39:15the
39:17dumb
39:18talking
39:19the
39:19deaf
39:20hearing
39:20the
39:21lame
39:21walking
39:22the
39:22blind
39:22seeing
39:23and
39:25I
39:25said
39:26on
39:27that
39:27broadcast
39:28if
39:29there
39:30is
39:30anyone
39:30of
39:31you
39:31who
39:31fits
39:32this
39:32description
39:33and
39:34you
39:34have
39:34been
39:35healed
39:35by
39:37any
39:37of
39:38these
39:38please
39:39call
39:40that
39:44went
39:44on
39:44for
39:45well
39:45over
39:45an
39:45hour
39:46I
39:46became
39:47a
39:47New
39:48Testament
39:48Elijah
39:49because
39:52I
39:52kept
39:52taunting
39:53now
40:04remember
40:04that
40:06this
40:07is in
40:07a
40:07country
40:08where
40:08literally
40:09every
40:10weekend
40:11churches
40:13are
40:14having
40:14these
40:14healings
40:16every
40:17weekend
40:18literally
40:19every
40:19month
40:20you've
40:21got
40:21posters
40:22all
40:23over
40:23your
40:23city
40:24from
40:25one
40:26prophet
40:26another
40:27apostle
40:28this
40:28bishop
40:29and
40:30everything
40:30else
40:31conducting
40:32these
40:32healing
40:33crusades
40:34to
40:35the
40:36point
40:36where
40:36you
40:37just
40:39want
40:39to
40:39tear
40:40them
40:40off
40:40the
40:41walls
40:41or
40:41trees
40:42because
40:42it's
40:44overwhelming
40:45and
40:46all
40:47of
40:47them
40:47claiming
40:48these
40:48things
40:49are
40:49happening
40:49over
40:56one
40:57solid
40:57hour
40:58of
40:58waiting
40:58and
40:59discussing
40:59and
41:01with
41:01me
41:01repeating
41:02the
41:02invitation
41:03two
41:05phone
41:05calls
41:06came
41:06through
41:06one
41:08was a
41:09gentleman
41:10who
41:10said
41:11that
41:12eight
41:13years
41:14ago
41:14he
41:15took
41:16a
41:18neighbor's
41:19daughter
41:19whose
41:20legs
41:21were
41:21not
41:21quite
41:22equal
41:23to
41:25this
41:25faith
41:25healer
41:26and
41:27the
41:27legs
41:27became
41:27equal
41:28after
41:28praying
41:28for
41:29her
41:29and
41:31I
41:31remember
41:31saying
41:32eight
41:33years
41:34ago
41:34and
41:36he
41:36would
41:36say
41:36yes
41:37I
41:37said
41:37eight
41:38years
41:38ago
41:38he's
41:39not
41:39appreciating
41:40my
41:40point
41:40I
41:42mean
41:43first
41:43of
41:43all
41:43I
41:44question
41:44the
41:44issue
41:45of
41:45short
41:46and
41:46long
41:46legs
41:46but
41:47that's
41:47not
41:47the
41:47point
41:47but
41:48look
41:48if
41:48it's
41:48happening
41:49every
41:49weekend
41:50that
41:51testimony
41:52must
41:52be
41:52stale
41:53eight
41:59years
41:59ago
42:00the
42:06second
42:06caller
42:06was
42:07a
42:08lady
42:08clearly
42:10agitated
42:11encouraging
42:13the
42:14man of
42:15God
42:15not
42:16to
42:16listen
42:16to
42:17me
42:17because
42:18I
42:18am
42:19a
42:19dead
42:19theologian
42:20but
42:24what
42:24does
42:25that
42:25go
42:25to
42:25do
42:25with
42:26me
42:26I'm
42:27asking
42:28for
42:28testimonies
42:29those
42:33were
42:34the
42:34only
42:34two
42:35calls
42:36that
42:37pretended
42:38to
42:39have
42:39anything
42:40in
42:40support
42:41of
42:41this
42:41in
42:42a
42:42whole
42:42nation
42:43of
42:44over
42:4410
42:45million
42:45people
42:46with
42:47healing
42:48crusades
42:48every
42:49weekend
42:49well
42:54the
42:55gentleman
42:57who was
42:57doing
42:57the
42:58interview
42:58finally
42:59turned
43:00to
43:00the
43:02pastor
43:03on the
43:03other
43:03side
43:04and said
43:04well
43:04you know
43:05we sort
43:05of
43:05waited
43:05for a
43:06while
43:06nobody
43:07will
43:07be
43:07calling
43:07in
43:08this
43:12was
43:12his
43:13answer
43:13I
43:15think
43:16they
43:16are
43:17shy
43:17poor
43:32soul
43:33he
43:34had
43:34a
43:35stroke
43:35not
43:35too
43:35long
43:36after
43:36that
43:36he
43:38was
43:39in
43:39a
43:39coma
43:40for
43:40a
43:40while
43:40at
43:42least
43:42for
43:42about
43:43a
43:43week
43:43until
43:45he
43:46finally
43:46died
43:47why
43:49didn't
43:50his
43:50fellow
43:51faith
43:51healers
43:52rush in
43:54there
43:54and
43:56raise
43:56him
43:57from
43:58that
43:58bed
43:59it's
44:01because
44:01they
44:01knew
44:02it
44:03was
44:03fraud
44:04it
44:04was
44:05a
44:05lie
44:05one
44:16more
44:16point
44:16and
44:16I
44:17must
44:17hurry
44:17on
44:17in
44:21Zambia
44:21we
44:23have
44:23an
44:25organization
44:26by
44:27statutory
44:27instrument
44:28that
44:29looks
44:30after
44:30the
44:30well
44:31being
44:31of
44:32the
44:32handicapped
44:33and
44:33physically
44:34challenged
44:34scored
44:37the
44:37Zambian
44:37council
44:38off
44:39the
44:39handicapped
44:40when
44:42this
44:45phenomena
44:46became
44:47too
44:47much
44:47they
44:48made
44:48a
44:48public
44:49statement
44:49to
44:50this
44:50effect
44:51those
44:53of
44:53you
44:53who
44:54are
44:54blind
44:55or
44:56crippled
44:56or
44:57deaf
44:57dumb
44:58stop
45:00going
45:01to
45:01these
45:01meetings
45:02that
45:03are
45:03claiming
45:04that
45:05they
45:05are
45:05healings
45:06because
45:07according
45:08to our
45:09records
45:09there's
45:10not
45:11been
45:11a
45:12single
45:12individual
45:13who's
45:15been
45:15healed
45:15from
45:16those
45:16meetings
45:17now
45:20if
45:20there
45:20were
45:21to
45:21be
45:22an
45:22organization
45:23surely
45:24that
45:26ought
45:26to
45:26have
45:27independent
45:28verifiable
45:29information
45:30it's
45:31them
45:31but
45:34here
45:35are
45:35shallotons
45:37half
45:38converted
45:39cowboys
45:40going
45:41all over
45:42the place
45:43drawing
45:44in
45:44crowds
45:45in
45:46the
45:46name
45:46of
45:47doing
45:47the
45:47miraculous
45:48when
45:49they
45:49know
45:49deep
45:50down
45:51their
45:51souls
45:52nothing
45:53like
45:54that
45:54is
45:54really
45:54happening
45:55they
45:59claim
46:00to
46:00have
46:00gifts
46:01they
46:02don't
46:02have
46:03what
46:04is
46:04that
46:05but
46:07fraud
46:07iniquity
46:10wickedness
46:12sin
46:13that's
46:14what
46:14it
46:14is
46:15they
46:20have
46:20not
46:21only
46:21abandoned
46:22the
46:22work
46:23they
46:23were
46:23told
46:24to
46:24do
46:25they
46:26are
46:26claiming
46:26to
46:27do
46:28what
46:28they
46:28are
46:28in
46:29fact
46:29not
46:29doing
46:30simply
46:35to
46:36draw
46:36the
46:37crowds
46:37and
46:39get
46:39their
46:40money
46:40let
46:42me
46:42hurry
46:43on
46:43to
46:43close
46:44first
46:46of
46:46all
46:46an
46:48apparent
46:48apology
46:49I
46:50know
46:50I've
46:50spoiled
46:51your
46:51money
46:51this
46:54is not
46:54the kind
46:55of
46:55message
46:55you want
46:56to listen
46:56to
46:56with a
46:57cup of
46:57coffee
46:58in one
46:58hand
46:58and
46:59a donut
47:01donut
47:01in the
47:02other
47:02I wish
47:08I could
47:09be more
47:09positive
47:09I wish
47:12I could
47:13say that
47:13this is
47:14something that
47:15happens here
47:16and there
47:17once in a
47:18while
47:19or as I
47:22said earlier
47:22on that it's
47:23in some
47:24extreme
47:25fringe
47:26corner
47:27of
47:28Christendom
47:29yet I
47:31want to
47:32repeat
47:32that this
47:33is a
47:34growing
47:34phenomenon
47:35back home
47:36it is
47:37first
47:37becoming
47:38the face
47:39of
47:39evangelical
47:40Christianity
47:41to the
47:42outside
47:42world
47:43the
47:44modern
47:44day
47:45successful
47:46evangelical
47:48pastor
47:49I put
47:49that in
47:49quotation
47:50marks
47:50again
47:50is simply
47:53a
47:54witch
47:54doctor
47:55who is
47:56apparently
47:57using
47:57cleaner
47:58and perhaps
47:59more potent
48:00power
48:01to bring
48:02about
48:02deliverance
48:03bring
48:03about
48:04healing
48:04bring
48:05about
48:05breakthroughs
48:06in the
48:07lives
48:07of the
48:07people
48:08that's
48:11the
48:11concept
48:11in the
48:20light
48:20of what
48:21we read
48:22in 2
48:23Timothy
48:24what
48:27concerns
48:28me
48:28is
48:29the
48:30silence
48:31the
48:33silence
48:34in
48:36addressing
48:37this
48:38matter
48:38in
48:40locking
48:40horns
48:41with
48:41it
48:42I've
48:49done a
48:49blog post
48:49on this
48:51I think
48:52is entitled
48:52something like
48:53our
48:54criminal
48:54evangelical
48:56silence
48:56simply
48:58because
48:58when I was
48:59writing it
49:00down
49:00it
49:00bothered
49:01me
49:01if you
49:04were to
49:04look at
49:05the
49:06membership
49:07list
49:08of the
49:09evangelical
49:10fellowship
49:12of
49:12Zambia
49:1390%
49:17of the
49:18membership
49:19are
49:20these
49:21same
49:21ministries
49:22I
49:28saw the
49:28list
49:29myself
49:29I know
49:31what I'm
49:31talking
49:31about
49:32so what's
49:36my
49:37appeal
49:37first of
49:38if you
49:42ever do
49:43come
49:43across
49:43to
49:44Zambia
49:44or to
49:45Africa
49:45generally
49:46emphasize
49:502nd
49:53Timothy
49:543
49:5416
49:56to
49:56chapter
49:564
49:57verse
49:572
49:57call
50:00the
50:01pastors
50:01back
50:03to what
50:03their
50:04work
50:04is
50:05what
50:20sets me
50:20apart
50:21from my
50:21congregation
50:22is not
50:23that I
50:23have
50:24some
50:24back
50:25door
50:25entry
50:26into
50:26God's
50:27presence
50:28that
50:28bypasses
50:29the
50:30ancestral
50:31spirits
50:32and demons
50:33and I
50:33can therefore
50:34bring the
50:34blessings
50:35to you
50:35no
50:37there
50:38there
50:38is the
50:39priesthood
50:39of all
50:40believers
50:41it is
50:44the fact
50:45that
50:45I have
50:46gifts
50:47and a
50:48calling
50:48that enables
50:49me
50:50to preach
50:51this
50:52word
50:52to you
50:53secondly
51:02pray
51:03and keep
51:05and keep
51:05on praying
51:06for those
51:07who are
51:08fulfilling
51:082nd
51:10Timothy
51:11chapter
51:124
51:13verse 1
51:15and 2
51:15pray for
51:16them
51:16that they
51:19might be
51:20faithful
51:20and that they
51:22might increase
51:23in number
51:24so that
51:26this
51:26tide
51:27may be
51:28stemmed
51:30by the
51:30word
51:31of God
51:32itself
51:33bringing
51:33light
51:34into the
51:35darkness
51:36pray
51:37for us
51:39if I may
51:40dare
51:40to include
51:41myself
51:41there
51:42and then
51:45thirdly
51:46provide
51:50truth
51:51especially
51:52through books
51:53that
51:54clarifies
51:56the issue
51:56that
51:58clearly
51:59sounds
52:00the warning
52:00that when
52:02you open
52:03the door
52:04slightly
52:04to so-called
52:06extraordinary
52:08revelatory
52:09gifts
52:09in Africa
52:11without
52:12the benefit
52:13that was
52:14there in
52:15Bible times
52:16which was
52:17the presence
52:18and regulation
52:20of the
52:21apostles
52:21themselves
52:22this
52:24is where
52:25you land
52:26it's a matter
52:28of time
52:29because I
52:34want to
52:34repeat
52:35this is
52:39not
52:39just
52:40some
52:41grouping
52:41that's
52:43on its
52:44own
52:44out there
52:45full of
52:46mad
52:46guys
52:47this is
52:49a
52:49entire
52:50spectrum
52:51it's
52:52it's
52:53a
52:54continuum
52:54different
52:57shades
52:58but
52:59following
53:00each
53:00other
53:00or like
53:02the
53:03mice
53:04listening
53:04to the
53:05Pied Piper
53:05continuing
53:07and continuing
53:08now
53:09those
53:09who
53:09are
53:11clever
53:11somehow
53:11are able
53:12to
53:13stop
53:13somewhere
53:14along
53:14the way
53:15and
53:15just
53:16remain
53:16open
53:17to the
53:18possibilities
53:18of these
53:19things
53:19but the
53:20common
53:21guy
53:21is not
53:21just
53:22remaining
53:22open
53:22he
53:23is
53:24putting
53:24into
53:25practice
53:26the full
53:26implications
53:27of
53:27things
53:27and the
53:31next
53:32and the
53:33next
53:33and the
53:34next
53:34and before
53:35you know
53:35it
53:35it's
53:38the
53:39Arabian
53:39camel
53:40story
53:41the
53:42bible
53:43is there
53:44for just
53:45a few
53:45platitudes
53:46a few
53:47favorite
53:47verses
53:48rather
53:49than
53:50regular
53:50full
53:51obbed
53:52Christ
53:53centered
53:54exposition
53:55I'm
53:59saying
53:59let's
54:01continue
54:01providing
54:03the truth
54:04so that
54:05God's
54:05people
54:06can know
54:06how rich
54:07this book
54:08is
54:08that it
54:10teaches us
54:10the whole
54:11counsel of
54:12God
54:12that it
54:13is
54:14adequate
54:15for teaching
54:16for reproof
54:17for correction
54:17for training
54:19in righteousness
54:19they will
54:20see it's
54:21all
54:22coming
54:22from
54:23there
54:23and then
54:27lastly
54:28support
54:30the
54:31training
54:31and the
54:33work
54:33of true
54:34preachers
54:35and the
54:36planting
54:37of churches
54:38these
54:39lampstands
54:40churches
54:41that
54:42represent
54:43new
54:44testament
54:45christianity
54:46support them
54:49whichever way
54:50you can
54:50Africa
54:52needs
54:54your
54:55partnership
54:56let's pray
54:57our father
55:01in heaven
55:01these
55:07are sad
55:07and sobering
55:08realities
55:09yet they
55:11only point
55:12to the
55:13fact
55:13that
55:16the
55:16enemy
55:17of God
55:18is real
55:19and where
55:21the light
55:21of your
55:22word
55:23is not
55:23shining
55:24forth
55:24in the
55:25brilliance
55:25of the
55:26noonday
55:27sun
55:27darkness
55:30soon
55:33takes
55:33over
55:33for the
55:36sake of
55:36your
55:37church
55:37oh
55:38God
55:38visit
55:41our
55:41continent
55:42for the
55:44sake of
55:45your
55:45church
55:46oh
55:46God
55:47salvage
55:50the
55:50situation
55:51for the
55:53sake of
55:54your
55:54church
55:54oh
55:55God
55:56cause
55:58a
55:58clarion
55:59call
55:59to be
56:00heard
56:00from
56:02south
56:02to
56:03north
56:03and
56:03east
56:04to
56:04west
56:04until
56:06those
56:07who
56:07are
56:08servants
56:10of the
56:10evil
56:10one
56:11clothed
56:12in
56:13sheepskin
56:13may be
56:14seen
56:15for who
56:15they
56:15are
56:16oh
56:17God
56:18visit us
56:19we pray
56:20in Jesus
56:21name
56:22amen
56:23to be
56:37to be
56:38to be
56:38to be
56:39to be
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