Killer the Family The Murder Becky Watts S01E02

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00:00There was a big age gap there.

00:09He used to take her around all the adventure playgrounds for the smaller kids.

00:15He was pretty good with her, to be honest.

00:18And her first clear word was Nathan.

00:26Is she safe?

00:28I didn't wish it, so I meant to know.

00:32Our main priority is to find Becky alive.

00:36The fingerprint in the blood.

00:38Have you hurt her?

00:39No, I haven't hurt her.

00:41Approaching the address.

00:42Hello, please.

00:45The fact that the bathroom was too clean.

00:51Purchase of face masks, gloves, cleaning products.

00:57Circular saw.

00:59Within the time frame, Mavecki going missing.

01:03It just all screamed something was wrong.

01:07Do you know if she's alive?

01:09No.

01:10No.

01:11No.

01:15Do you know they may be alone at 2km?

01:25So we're in the Barton Hill area of Bristol. It's probably about two miles from Becky's.

01:51We've got Nathan and Shauna living over there at Cotton Mill Lane, Nathan being Becky's

01:57step-brother and Shauna being Nathan's partner. Nathan and Shauna were both in custody, having

02:04been harassed in on suspicion of kidnapping.

02:10At Nathan and Shauna's house, we continued with the forensic search.

02:20Now we were looking on our hands and knees.

02:24We looked at the whole house and revealed two stun guns.

02:32We also found the circular saw. And the saw blade was clean.

02:45The saw was taken to pieces so we could get to places where blood could get, but you couldn't

02:52get to clean it. And Becky's blood was recovered from parts of the saw.

03:04During the interview process, Nathan is informed that there's a forensic search being carried

03:23out at his house in Cotton Mill Lane. He will know what is in that address and he will know

03:31what is very likely to have been fanged now and it's creating pressure on him.

03:38And he's thinking, what do I do now? Do I just come up with an explanation for that? Or he makes

03:46a decision that he just tells the truth.

04:01This interview is being recorded at Patchwood Police Station in Bristol.

04:07So Nathan provided a prepared statement through his solicitor during the interview.

04:18Very helpfully, we've been provided with a prepared written statement. And what we would

04:24like to do now, Nathan, is for that to be told on the interview recording.

04:30Do I have to actually listen to it? Can I put my fingers in my ears?

04:33Yep, I don't know, thank you.

04:39It stated, I, Nathan, Charles, Matthews, accept I am responsible for the death of Rebecca Watts.

04:54On the 19th of February, 2015, I attended Clown Hill, St. George, Bristol, with my girlfriend,

05:02Shauna Hoare.

05:03In my car, I had a large bag, a stun device, handcuffs, tape and mask.

05:11I had developed an idea to scare Rebecca by kidnapping her.

05:17A few minutes after arriving, Shauna said she wanted a cigarette and went into the garden.

05:27I went to the boot of my car, I took out a bag, went upstairs to the landing before knocking

05:33on Rebecca's door.

05:36She replied, what, or hello?

05:39And I said, can I see you a minute?

05:43I cannot be sure which order things happened, but I used the items I had to subdue Rebecca.

05:52During the short struggle, my mask slipped and Rebecca was able to see my face.

05:59This caused me to panic and I strangled her, while she was partially in the bag.

06:11The significant thing is he admits that he's responsible for her death.

06:18So, it was certain now that we were looking at a serious crime.

06:29We re-arrested Nathan and Shauna on suspicion of murder and they continued to be held in custody.

06:37Now, we had some concrete information that Becky was dead.

06:42We needed to find her.

06:47So, he was asked what he was able to tell us about where she was or where she might be.

06:58He revealed that she had been moved from Cotton Mill Lane to an address at Barton Court.

07:09We got a warrant to enter and search the premises.

07:20We came through the front, through the house, and then into the back garden.

07:27There was a shed just here.

07:31Nathan Matthews, they said he asked a couple of friends if they could do him a favour and store some stuff in their garden shed.

07:40He told them that it was a consignment of cannabis.

07:45I arranged for a forensic team to attend the scene and they started looking at the shed.

08:01It was full, very full.

08:05Items, property, suitcases, bags, just stuff.

08:12I gave the instruction that the bag that was closest to us should be opened in situ, so as we could ascertain what was in there.

08:26That bag was carefully opened and inside was a wrapper, but you could see what it was.

08:39It contained a body part.

08:41We found a head, a torso, arms and legs.

08:54Each of the body parts was wrapped extensively with cling film, masking any potential smell.

09:10And Sof and Matthews had killed her, taken her home, put her in a bathtub, and gone on this huge shopping spree for a body disposal kit.

09:25I find the fact he queried the price of this all so shocking.

09:38Not only are you going to buy something to dismember your stepsister,

09:44but then you don't even want to pay full price.

09:47Not any comprehension in his head of almost the enormity of what he has done, what he is doing.

10:04It's horrific that he'd even kill her, but the fact that he dismembered her beggars belief really.

10:17As you enter Cotton Mill Lane, you had Nathan and Shauna's house on the left,

10:24and two houses down on the opposite side of the road was where Luke was living with his mum and his dad.

10:31So Becky's boyfriend is living within eyesight of the place where she was dismembered.

10:41Crawl beyond belief.

10:47We arranged for a coffin to be brought

10:57so things could be removed from the scene with respect and dignity.

11:05In your home address with your family, that's where you should be able to be safe.

11:25And all that trust was breached.

11:28Back at the home where they last saw Becky alive, a heartbroken family came to pay their respect.

11:50Later, Becky's boyfriend did the same.

11:52After investing so much hope in finding her, they have been left devastated.

12:01It was such a shock.

12:04I'd been there from the beginning with them.

12:06And I don't believe you can cover a story like that well without getting some way involved.

12:14I was sat on a bed, rocking violently backwards and forwards, screaming.

12:22I wanted to kill him.

12:26I was just devastated.

12:32And you just went into shock.

12:35You could see it.

12:36I just couldn't accept it.

12:42I would have described him as a loving son.

12:47He's never lied to me.

12:50He's always been open and honest with me.

12:53You know, I loved him like he was my own son.

13:03I saw how hard it was for Angie, her son, having destroyed this life of the man she'd married and

13:12loved and a child that she'd also helped to bring up and loved herself.

13:18Darren had a lot of pressure from his side of the family, saying, you know,

13:22distance yourself from Angie.

13:23It's her son.

13:25And he was absolutely adamant.

13:27This is my wife.

13:29I love her and we're staying together.

13:30And I just remember being so struck by how strong they were as a couple.

13:39I don't know if I could do that, to be honest.

13:42I'd hope I could.

13:43But the idea of blame, when you come of loss of life and especially in such a horrific way,

13:49you know, the blame is the first place you go to.

13:52How they stuck together is a real testament to both of them.

13:58We was a little family unit, weren't we?

14:01Yeah.

14:01We'd be a little dysfunctional because we're all from, you know,

14:06your different parents and partners and that sort of thing.

14:09But, um, no, we all, we all linked together.

14:11We just quite a strong little unit.

14:14Which is why it was such a devastating shock that he'd done this.

14:19The school, we're doing an exam.

14:31And a teacher said,

14:39We found Becky's body.

14:45And then he said parts.

14:48Don't know why he said it like that.

14:50And then I just shut down really and the whole, the whole room went just silent.

15:00And everyone just started looking at me and then I just walked out.

15:03I didn't cry. I think I was numb, but I was angry.

15:13I was just feeling all these emotions and I didn't know how to deal with it.

15:17I found out my best friend's dead.

15:24And I just remember sitting there with my mum, just crying.

15:28Just, I felt very guilty in a sense that, in my head, I thought,

15:33if only that morning I'd gone round the house and just said,

15:36did you want to hang out?

15:38That might have stopped that hole from happening.

15:44But how can you do that to a member of your family?

15:48I couldn't do that to a stranger, let alone somebody I grew up with.

16:00Nathan's admitted to killing Becky.

16:02But what was really absent from that was why.

16:10Where's your motive? Why has this happened?

16:13Why has this 16-year-old girl lost her life?

16:22Nathan, can you give us your full name?

16:24Nathan Charles Matthews.

16:27So, Nathan, we've had a short break.

16:29Um, perhaps if I just flag up for the, um, recording what this interview's about.

16:35It's about the kidnap and murder of Becky Watts.

16:39Rather than simply take at face value the written statement that you have given to us

16:44last night, then we need to explore what you've told us some more.

16:49I don't know what questions need to ask, but...

16:57How about if we start with...

17:00..this idea you had about scaring Becky?

17:04Well, obviously, I came up with the idea to scare her.

17:08Because, like, she'd leave things out on the floor of my mum to trip over.

17:14And obviously, we'd talk to her, um...

17:18Like, say, nasty comments and talk to her like dirt on the floor.

17:22It's complete lies.

17:28Becky always took care of Angie.

17:33Angie has multiple sclerosis.

17:37So, Becky would always look out for her and help her whenever she needed it.

17:41So, tell me what you thought you were going to do.

17:46What your plan was.

17:49Obviously, stick her in the suitcase.

17:52Obviously, put tape around her mouth, so she wouldn't make any noise.

17:55The primers, obviously, once I got her in the car, I was thinking of, like, a wooded area.

18:03You know, say, somewhere along the lines of, you know, you've got to start treating people better.

18:08And then, like, make a threat of, um, you know, or, you know, or this could happen again or worse or something like that.

18:18Obviously, I thought if I was, you know, able to scare her.

18:25And, obviously, her not be harmed, obviously, be released.

18:29Obviously, when she got back,

18:30she obviously would have been scared and more appreciative of things, as people are.

18:44He said he wanted to scare her, so he came into the room wearing a mask,

18:49and he said the mask slipped, so he panicked and they strangled her.

18:55But he had tasers.

18:56You don't bring tasers, which are illegal in this country,

19:03to scare a 16-year-old girl when you yourself were, like, 28.

19:09Doesn't make any sense. She was really, like, slender.

19:13He would have been able to overpower her. He didn't need any of that.

19:16So it just didn't add up at all, what he was claiming happened.

19:21Was Becky stood up, Nathan, whilst you were strangling her?

19:24No comment.

19:26To what degree was she incapacitated then?

19:32No comment.

19:38Was she conscious at the time that you strangled her?

19:40No comment.

19:45Most people that get strangled get strangled with a ligature.

19:53The fact that he killed her with his own bare hands is rare.

19:57He will have seen her dying in front of his eyes.

20:00It was very personal.

20:02It appeared that Nathan went there with the intention of killing Becky,

20:08and that his version of events that it was an accident just wasn't plausible.

20:12We have to investigate this whole offence.

20:22And, of course, whilst you're being interviewed,

20:24Shauna is also being interviewed.

20:26I know Shauna's being interviewed.

20:27Yeah.

20:27I want to talk about Shauna.

20:28I'm sorry, you don't want to.

20:30Okay.

20:36We had Shauna, who is Nathan's girlfriend, in custody.

20:41I think people were wondering, well, where does Shauna Hall come into this?

20:48Has she just been arrested because she's the girlfriend?

20:51We know that she was at Becky's house when Nathan killed her.

20:59So, it was important to establish whether or not she played a role in Becky's death.

21:05Just so I'm clear, as far as the kidnap's concerned,

21:08you are not aware that Nathan was planning to do that on that day?

21:11No. Okay.

21:13I couldn't even look at him to think that he'd be like that.

21:20Even if he had those thoughts, let alone to actually carry them out.

21:24To know that, at any moment, I could walk down and think,

21:29I'm carrying his children. I didn't...

21:34To think that I would know.

21:40Sorry.

21:44Take a moment, that's right.

21:49Becky was so excited when she found out that Shauna was pregnant again.

21:53She was like, I'm going to be an aunt again.

21:55And I remember Nathan said to her at one point,

21:59you're never going to be an aunt to my child or something like that.

22:02But Shauna was always really nice to Becky.

22:04Because I suppose the thing is, from someone outside looking in,

22:10is that what he's saying is he's gone to the address with an intent to kidnap her.

22:15Okay.

22:15And it's been quite convenient that you're at the garden having a cigarette

22:20and he's doing what he's doing.

22:22Yes.

22:22Do you see what I mean?

22:23Yes.

22:25My mum said, you know, I've had a really bad night.

22:28Can I have a fag?

22:29Can I get to Angie's?

22:29He said, yes.

22:30And then he saw an opportunity.

22:31Mm-hm.

22:32Well, if he was planning it for months, I didn't...

22:36So, I don't know.

22:37At their home address, there were phones, laptops found in drawers,

22:54found in cupboards, found in the attic.

22:58And we would start going through these devices with a real microscope.

23:08First thing we noticed was patterns in Nathan's browsing pornography

23:14that was much more geared towards teenagers.

23:19There's a predisposition to sort of doing harm to teenage girls here.

23:26I remembered Nathan would make really morbid jokes

23:30about hitting Becky with a sledgehammer.

23:34And at the time, you don't think much of it.

23:36But you just think that's a dark sense of humour.

23:40But Becky would also tell me that he had anger issues.

23:45She told me that at one point when she was younger,

23:48he inappropriately touched her.

23:52And she had told me before that he threatened to kill her.

23:59But she just thought it's not a serious threat.

24:06When we're looking at all of the content on devices,

24:12we're getting a much clearer sense of Nathan and Shauna's relationship.

24:16We're seeing these messages where if Shauna bought a packet of cigarettes,

24:28he would then have them.

24:29And if she wanted one of them, she would have to ask.

24:32And he charged her a tenner.

24:33So it was definitely a weird power dynamic playing out.

24:42Sheuna was estranged from her mum and stepdad.

24:48Because her mum said that she didn't like the relationship with Nathan.

24:53Nathan commented a lot on her weights, sort of would control food,

24:58would control her money.

25:00I was quite paranoid about losing her.

25:02And the element of, almost like the victim, being controlled within the relationship.

25:23But then we came across another message between Nathan and Shauna.

25:32So the first message is 9th of 12, 2014, timed at 12.48.

25:43We've got Nathan to Shauna.

25:46Bring me back two pretty school girls then.

25:49Shauna replies.

25:51Yeah, I will just kidnap them from school.

25:58Tell me about that text message.

26:00No comment.

26:02They're talking about kidnapping a teenage girl.

26:13Almost in a light-hearted context, like it's a casual conversation.

26:22Next message is 9th of December, 2014, at 18.14.

26:26It says from Shauna.

26:28Just went to Cost Cutters and saw a very, in big caps, pretty petite girl.

26:37Almost knocked her out to bring her home.

26:39L-O-L.

26:40And there's crosses and zeros.

26:44Shauna, what can you tell me about that?

26:46No comment.

26:48Am I right in thinking that this girl was similar to Rebecca's age?

26:50No comment.

26:51No comment.

26:51Nathan's obvious fantasy around school girls was really abundantly clear from these messages.

27:08But what really stuck out as well was Shauna's knowledge of that and going with it.

27:12And the fact that she even suggests bringing back a school girl.

27:18And I think that was one of the key messages.

27:20This is something they've talked about before.

27:25And now they've acted on it.

27:29And now they've acted on it.

27:43Our inquiry suggested that, having killed Becky, they took her back to their house at Cotton Mill Lane.

27:49They put her in the bath.

27:58And then it would appear that they ordered a takeaway almost as if nothing had happened.

28:09On the day that Becky went missing, they've got web browsing history.

28:13And we found a parody of the Disney Frozen song.

28:21Will you help me hide a body?

28:24It doesn't have to be in one piece.

28:30Having taken Becky back to the house, put her in the bath, ordered their takeaway,

28:36there then sat there eating it.

28:40Watching clips on the internet of concealing bodies.

28:43You get the distinct impression that Shauna was directly involved in it.

28:50And how do we know you weren't involved in the killing of Becky?

28:53Because there would be no proof.

28:57I haven't touched anything or been anywhere near her alive or dead.

29:04We knew that Shauna was present in the house when Becky was killed.

29:15We know that she was present when Becky was removed from the house.

29:18And taken back to Cotton Mill Lane and taken back to Cotton Mill Lane.

29:22We know that she was sat watching videos about concealment of bodies.

29:27But most of that at the moment is circumstantial evidence.

29:30So we needed to build a case with more direct evidence against her.

29:35So we needed to build a case with more direct evidence.

29:37Rather than a mere presence.

29:52Back at the shed.

29:52Within the bags and suitcases were found some face masks.

30:02And they were sent to our forensic service provider.

30:06Where they were examined for DNA.

30:12On one of the face masks we found DNA that attributed to Nathan.

30:23And on one of the other face masks.

30:26We found Shauna's DNA.

30:38The fact that her DNA was on a face mask.

30:41Which was found with the body parts.

30:43Gave every indication that Shauna helped Nathan.

30:48We had sufficient evidence to charge both of them with murder.

31:11She always put herself across being very timid.

31:16Even loved her like a daughter didn't I?

31:18In the end.

31:22She was always polite and nice.

31:26Like just a normal person.

31:29You wouldn't think that somebody that seemed that way would be capable of this.

31:48I just remember this quiet.

32:03And just hearing the horses hooves coming down the street.

32:06The streets were packed with people throwing flowers.

32:14It was nice that all the community came together and they were so supportive and so kind.

32:23It affected a lot of people because they could see something of themselves or their children or their friends in Becky.

32:33And just her innocence and vulnerability.

32:39It was lots of tears.

32:39I mean everyone was crying.

32:41I don't mind saying I was crying too.

32:44It was everyone was in tears.

32:46I saw a little cough in there.

32:55It was just a shock.

32:59It started to really hit you then.

33:11It was a thrill.

33:12It fell in love.

33:17At the burial, they had this song on when she was being yet lowered into the ground.

33:24And the song got cut off.

33:26And I was like, she must have hated that one.

33:32I was like, she thinks that song's rubbish,

33:34put another one on.

33:41What had been taken away from me was, like, my best friend,

33:45someone that I had plans with for the future.

33:48We used to make jokes saying that we'll get one of those

33:51two-person mobility scooters when we're older.

33:54And it's like, I don't know how to explain it,

33:58but it feels like a part of me was taken away.

34:00Like, you lose your sense of navigation

34:03when somebody's life was so intertwined with yours

34:06is no longer there.

34:12Nathan and Sean needed to go to prison.

34:14They needed to pay for what they've done.

34:24The world was looking at Bristol Crown Court.

34:30Photographers, crews, reporters, journalists

34:34from every news outlet was there.

34:36We knew that Nathan Matthews had killed her.

34:48He admitted that.

34:49But what the prosecution were trying to show

34:51was this was a murderer.

34:52Someone who went out with a clear plan

34:57to go to Becky and kill her.

35:00However, Sean Hall said, not guilty to everything.

35:06The defense very much wanted you to believe

35:11that she was a completely innocent bystander.

35:15When Nathan Matthews stood on the witness stand,

35:29it was just so hard to imagine

35:34how Angie must have been feeling.

35:36Her son is stood there talking about killing her stepdaughter.

35:43And the dad of that daughter is there.

35:46He's your husband.

35:51Occasionally I'd glance over to see, like,

35:54do you even have any remorse or guilt about what you've done?

35:58But he'd never looked up at any point.

36:01He just kept saying, I didn't mean to kill her.

36:04Getting very emotional, crying a lot.

36:08And he was adamant that Shauna didn't know anything.

36:10She didn't see anything.

36:11She knew nothing.

36:12It was all him.

36:15Shauna kept to that story, saying,

36:18I had no idea this was going on.

36:21I didn't see anything.

36:22I have no part in this.

36:25But then, why is her DNA in that face mask?

36:28The defence very much painted a picture of Shauna

36:37as a very vulnerable young woman.

36:42We were told that Shauna had been fostered as a child.

36:47She was 14 when she met Nathan Matthews.

36:51He was 21.

36:54So there was a seven-year age gap.

36:58Was there this element of coercive control?

37:00We got to the end of the case, and the jury gets sent out.

37:15We knew Nathan Matthews had killed Becky.

37:25But the argument of the case was, was it murder?

37:33After three and a half hours, the jury came back.

37:37Everyone just suddenly runs back into court to hear what the jury had to say.

37:47And Nathan Matthews was found guilty of murder.

38:00The jury, the fact it came back within just a few hours,

38:04that showed how much they believed that this was a clear plan.

38:12He had gone to Becky's house with a kill kit.

38:16With stun guns, handcuffs, a mask, a suitcase.

38:23And then afterwards, a shopping spree to buy all of these things

38:29to get rid of her body.

38:30And Sean O'Haw was found guilty of manslaughter.

38:42The jury just didn't believe her story.

38:47When she said, I was having a cigarette while Nathan was killing Becky,

38:52I didn't see the body come down the stairs.

38:54I didn't see it in the car.

38:55I didn't hear him using a circular saw to dismember her.

39:00In our own small little house.

39:03It was laughable.

39:05No one believed that.

39:08I've done a lot of court cases.

39:16I've never known a judge to break down.

39:19His voice just broke and you could just tell the emotion had got to him.

39:26It just showed it affected everyone.

39:28Neither Matthews nor Haw has expressed any remorse for Becky's death.

39:36The hard work and meticulous attention of the prosecution team

39:40has ensured that they've been brought to justice for their crimes.

39:43I've got to really love this family.

39:55I spent the day with them and they took me up into her bedroom.

40:14That was quite a special moment.

40:16I've put her bedroom back together now so it's all how it was.

40:19Wasn't always as tidy as this, I can assure you.

40:21But yeah, this is how she likes it.

40:26He wanted to make sure that their daughter was remembered in the right way.

40:31It seems so quiet when I'm here now.

40:33You're really quiet.

40:35You've got a child like Becky, you're just used to noise.

40:38And then when it's not there, you really notice it.

40:43I want a drink ready.

40:44No, it's fine.

40:46Dad, don't. I'm taking half of this.

40:48I just miss her.

40:52I wish she was still here.

40:55I miss everything, even the arguments.

41:00Ten o'clock every night, I expect that door to come.

41:03The door to come through and say,

41:05Oh, it cooks for some tea, Dad.

41:07But it never does.

41:10It's ridiculous.

41:12And yet we still listen out for it.

41:14He made her a bench.

41:17Me and Courtney have been there together a couple of times.

41:20I usually go to Becky's grave as well.

41:24Every time that I have a milestone in my life, such as getting my driver's licence or going on holiday, it always makes me think that she never got to do these things.

41:30So it's quite bittersweet.

41:31Every milestone for me is something that she never got to do these things.

41:35Every milestone for me is something that she should be doing, too, and she's not.

41:36This is the first time that she never got to do these things.

41:38Every milestone for me is something that she should be doing, too, and she's not.

41:39This is ten years on.

41:40And they are the first time that she never got to do these things.

41:43Every milestone for me is something that she should be doing, too, and she's not.

41:48This is ten years on, and they are turning into adults now, you know?

41:49And this is something that will never leave them.

41:50It's part of their life forever, as it is part of my life.

41:51And I'm not sure that she's not getting her license or going on holiday.

41:52It always makes me think that she never got to do these things.

41:54So it's quite bittersweet.

41:55Every milestone for me is something that she should be doing, too, and she's not.

42:01This is ten years on, and they are turning into adults now, you know?

42:06And this is something that will never leave them.

42:10It's part of their life forever, as it is part of my life.

42:15Every time I look back at secondary school, I always think of Becky there and Courtney there.

42:28I just think about how she was as a person and all the good times that we had together.

42:36She was an amazing person.

42:40Anyone would have been lucky to have Becky as a friend.

42:44I fez a friend.

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