The Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked Season 01 Episode 03

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00:00Hello and welcome to another episode of the Celebrity Traitors Uncloaked, the official

00:04visualized podcast hosted by me, Ed Gamble. As always, this podcast is riddled with spoilers.

00:11If you haven't seen episode 3, then get yourself over to iPlayer and catch up immediately.

00:15Coming up, our latest banished faithfuls, Nico and Tamika, will be here to give us the lowdown

00:20on their castle experiences. We'll also be hearing from Tom just after he left the game.

00:25We've got the exclusive moments where I reveal to them who the traitors are.

00:29It's not to be missed. Plus, joining me in my basement to discuss everything we've just seen,

00:33we have Maddie from Series 1 and Freddie from Series 3.

00:42We have a full agenda to get through. Joe Mahler's big dog theory, suspicion rising on all three of

00:47the traitors, and of course, an early contender for the best moment of the series, Celia's fart in the

00:52cabin. But first, he couldn't keep the suspicion off him for long and was banished at the first

00:57roundtable. Nico will be here in just a second. But for now, let's see what he had to say just

01:02after he left the game.

01:07Hello. Welcome, Nico.

01:09Great to see you, man.

01:10Come in. Welcome to Uncloaked.

01:11Bring it in.

01:12Come on.

01:12I need a hug. I need a hug.

01:14Absolutely. You deserve it.

01:15Grab a seat.

01:17Thanks so much for coming on.

01:18Thank you for having me.

01:19We're delighted to have you here. I mean, obviously, we'd rather you're here a little

01:25bit later in the game.

01:26That's how I feel as well. I really do wish I was here about two weeks later.

01:30Yeah.

01:31But I mean, someone had to go at the first roundtable. I'm going to be mocked for this

01:36for a long time by my friends.

01:38Your friends are going to mock you, are they?

01:40I was talking a big game. You don't understand.

01:43I was talking a very big game. So now I'm in a situation where when they see my face,

01:49it's just going to be embarrassing. And I can't even tell them what's happened.

01:52Yeah.

01:52The moment I got in the coffin, I thought it's a long day for me because it was me.

01:58It was Lucy and it was Paloma. Two people who everyone was saying they're the most faithful people.

02:03And then there was me. So I knew it was a clear set up from the jump.

02:07And being a big fan of the show, I know that whenever someone is put in a coffin,

02:11whether they're a faithful or a traitor, they always go. They'll always get X'd off at the round

02:17table.

02:18I think they have tried it in the past and realised it doesn't work.

02:20Exactly.

02:21As a traitor that you put yourself into the situation like the dungeon in series two,

02:25and people will always suspect you. So now no traitor worth their salt will put themselves in.

02:30Never. Never.

02:31Regardless, even if people know that, they still can't get rid of that suspicion.

02:34Always. It just brings you to the front.

02:36Yeah.

02:37It's now, instead of having an option of 18 other people other than yourself,

02:42it's now you've got an option of two.

02:44Yeah.

02:44So, and when it's me against Lucy who made it so clear and obvious that she's a faithful,

02:50that's why it was a smart move from the traitors to put me in there,

02:53because it just meant that the battle became just impossible.

02:57After that, when you're out of the coffin, you know you're going into the round table.

03:00Yeah.

03:01Are you trying to come up with a plan? Are you trying to come up with a defensive argument?

03:05My mind was spinning. I was thinking, what's the best direction to go? I was thinking,

03:08do I go for Tamika? Do I go for Tom? What should I say in this situation? What should I say if this

03:14is brought up? The good thing is, because I'm telling the truth, it's quite easy to find those

03:20thoughts. Like, I didn't think there was anything where someone could say which would catch me off guard,

03:25because I felt like all I had to do was tell the truth.

03:29Yeah.

03:30But the issue was, the traitors had done such a good job at just setting it in to the group.

03:38And who knows, it might have been the traitors actually then continuing the charge on me.

03:42Like Charlotte was very heavy on me. Jonathan was heavy on me on the table.

03:46Stephen came in on me at the table. These are big personalities.

03:50Yeah. But I think people's preconceived notions of me being a prankster, a trickster,

03:57all this type of stuff, it didn't help at all. And I think it was really good

04:01ammo for the traitors to use against me, which obviously they did.

04:04It's an exciting moment, because you get to find out who the traitors are now.

04:08I've been racking my brain thinking who it could be, so I'm very excited for this moment.

04:11Well, I want to hear the result of your brain racking. Have you got any big suspicions

04:16that you want to tell me?

04:16OK, so before the round table, I thought it was Stephen.

04:24I thought it was Tamika. And I thought it was Tom.

04:29Did your mind change during the round table?

04:31Jonathan, his reason for it being me, he's clearly been planting that from group to group,

04:39which is trait of behaviour. So Jonathan's one, still has to be Tamika.

04:45There's no doubt in my mind. Tom, and then it could be Joe Mahler,

04:51because he said his gut instinct was it was me when it wasn't.

04:54That wasn't his gut instinct. So that's also not true.

04:58But also could be Charlotte. I'm just going to add Charlotte as well.

05:02So let's put you out your misery.

05:03Yep.

05:04I have the important scroll here.

05:06Oh, gosh.

05:07I'll give that to you.

05:09There you go.

05:15There we go, Jonathan.

05:18Goodness me. I'm so glad here I said that, so I can say that I changed my mind from Stephen to Jonathan.

05:25Make sure all your friends watch this bit as well.

05:27This clip will be shared everywhere.

05:31Okay, here we go.

05:32Okay, let's see. Let's see.

05:33Next one.

05:34Next one.

05:41Cat.

05:43She got me.

05:45Okay, well done, Cat.

05:46Oh, so Cat set me up.

05:49Oh, I was so nice to Cat.

05:51I liked her a lot, but now I don't like her anymore.

05:53She set me up.

05:56She put me in the coffin.

05:58Oh, she's smart, man.

06:01She's smart.

06:10Oh, my gosh.

06:12Alan.

06:13Jonathan, Cat, and Alan.

06:16I'm fuming, so Tamika's not a traitor.

06:20I would have been gone anyways then.

06:22And it's not Tom, it's Cat.

06:25Jonathan, Cat, and Alan.

06:31And he's here with me now.

06:32Welcome, Nico, to Unclosed.

06:34Yes, here.

06:36Great to be here, great to be here.

06:37Welcome.

06:38It's nice to have you in a slightly more relaxed setting.

06:41I think you were saying to me just before we watched that together,

06:44that you were really going through it at that point.

06:45I was.

06:46I was really struggling in that moment in time, because I was still in the game,

06:50and I was still trying to work out who it was.

06:52Now, obviously, I know who it was.

06:53Yeah.

06:54It's good to know that I was always right.

06:56I got a 100% hit record.

06:57Yeah, we've just seen it.

06:59And it's clear to me that you knew who all the traitors were.

07:01All of them.

07:02And your mates can't make fun of you anymore.

07:03No, they can't.

07:04And that's the best part.

07:05How do you feel now?

07:07Now you've had some time to reflect about being the first one to be banished.

07:11I'm still very gutted, because I am such a big fan of the show.

07:15So I really was excited to be in that setting.

07:18But like I said there, someone had to go.

07:21Someone had to go.

07:21So, yeah.

07:23It shouldn't have been you, though, because even at the time when we were talking,

07:27I was saying that it's ridiculous that they thought you were a traitor

07:29and you put yourself in a coffin.

07:30Yep, exactly.

07:31Watching the episode now, I'm even more angry about it.

07:34Exactly, exactly.

07:35Because there is no way any traitor would ever do that.

07:38I've seen every single traitor season, right?

07:41Every single time that happens, they all go.

07:42It doesn't matter if you're a faithful or a traitor, they all go.

07:46They all get eliminated either at the round table or, well, yeah, at the round table.

07:51So I was baffled that everyone thought that I would put myself in that situation.

07:56That's why I was like, come on, at least give me some other evidence that it's me.

07:59Yeah.

08:00Do you think the majority of them did think that?

08:03Or do you think they were hopping on the bandwagon just to get someone out that wasn't them?

08:07Yeah.

08:07I do think there's an element of that self-preservation where people want to keep themselves in.

08:13So they're, oh yeah, everyone's on Nico.

08:16Someone has to go, let it be Nico.

08:18Maybe that's, that's part of it as well.

08:20Like, I didn't know anyone going into the show.

08:23I didn't know anyone.

08:23I know that some people knew each other.

08:25Maybe it was more like, I don't want to go against my, my friend here, especially on the first night.

08:30Nico is a, he's a outsider.

08:33He can go.

08:34We should talk about this, not knowing other people in the castle.

08:37Because I think you were relying on people not knowing who you were.

08:40Yes.

08:41In episode one, you saw like, we saw that your game plan was, I don't think these people are going to know who I am.

08:47Basically what you were saying is, these people are old.

08:49They don't know how to work the internet.

08:51They're not going to know who I am.

08:52Yeah.

08:52And then almost the first interaction you had was with Stephen Fry, who said he knew exactly who you were.

08:58Because you were famous for barging into places and pretending to be things you aren't.

09:03How do you know that?

09:05Oh, I, I, I have a sticky memory.

09:07Wow.

09:08Yeah.

09:08That really spun me.

09:10It really caught me off guard because I was like, okay, well, I knew that Stephen Fry was smart,

09:15but now I'm like, he must just see everything.

09:17Yeah.

09:18Why is he watching my YouTube videos for number one?

09:20And also it was like the way in which he knew me.

09:22It was like, yeah, you're a prankster.

09:24And obviously I do do pranks, but that's not the only content which I do.

09:27So that's probably the worst way for someone to know me.

09:29So I was like, at least if someone knew my content, like the back of their hand,

09:33they'll be like, but he's a cool guy.

09:34He does some pranks here and there, but Stephen was like, you are a prankster.

09:39And, and whispering that to people around, it just, it got them all going.

09:42Yeah.

09:43I think at that early stage of the game, when no one knows anything.

09:46Yep.

09:47Some, something like he's a prankster.

09:49They'd be like, well, of course he must be a traitor then.

09:51Exactly.

09:52Of course they'd make the prankster the traitor.

09:53Yeah.

09:53He would want to be a traitor.

09:54So he is one.

09:55Yeah.

09:56You're a huge fan of the show, as you say, you've seen, you've seen a lot of the traitors.

10:00What surprised you about the reality of being in the castle as opposed to watching it on TV?

10:04It's the, the realism of it.

10:06You live it.

10:07And I really put emphasis on live it.

10:09Like I was going to sleep every night thinking who the hell could it be?

10:12Like, I haven't, I haven't got my phone.

10:14I haven't got any of this stuff.

10:15I'm just playing the game even when I'm sleeping.

10:17Yeah.

10:17So I was dreaming about the game.

10:19Can you remember any of the dreams?

10:21Um, yeah.

10:21It's when I had an epiphany and I was like, it's cat.

10:24I was going to reveal that on the round table the day after, but couldn't do it.

10:32Couldn't do it.

10:32Because they voted me out.

10:33I know you weren't there for very long, but did you strike up any friendships with anyone?

10:38Yes.

10:38I struck up a great friendship with Paloma, which is why like on when I hugged Paloma because

10:43I was like, one of us might get killed here.

10:45Yeah.

10:46So I went and gave her a hug and then it ended up being evidence against me at the table,

10:50which was just, I was like, so I was so confident in Paloma being a faithful.

10:54And then people ended up using Paloma as evidence of me being a dirty traitor.

11:00So you can't do anything in there, can you?

11:02No, you can't.

11:03You're hugging someone goodnight that you've made friends with and next thing you know,

11:05they're dead and you've killed them by hugging them apparently.

11:07And I thought I was friends with Cat, but I've still got that knife in my back.

11:13Look, your time might have been short, but I hope you enjoyed it.

11:15Did you have a good time in the short time you were in?

11:17Yes, I did.

11:17I did enjoy the show.

11:18Yeah.

11:19Can you sum it up in three words for me?

11:20Um, not long enough.

11:24Beautiful.

11:25Absolutely beautiful.

11:27It's been a pleasure having you on the show.

11:29Thank you so much.

11:29A massive round of applause for Nico.

11:31Thank you everyone.

11:32Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you.

11:34Well, still to come, we'll be hearing from Tom, but next Maddy and Freddie will be here in the

11:39studio along with our second banished player, Tamika.

11:42Here's the moment I caught up with her after she left and I revealed who the traitors are.

11:52Hello Tamika.

11:55Eddie!

11:56How you doing?

11:57Mate!

11:58Oh, you put the fire on for me.

12:00Just for you.

12:00There we are.

12:01Oh, I love that.

12:04Welcome to Uncloaked, Tamika.

12:05Thank you for having me.

12:07We're delighted to see you.

12:08We're delighted to meet you, but we're sad you're out at this stage of the game.

12:11Mate, no more than me.

12:13No more than me.

12:14I am so glad that I'm out.

12:16So after that first traitors pick, people said that you were a bit quieter.

12:22There was a suspicion around you because they said you changed a little bit after the traitors

12:27pick.

12:27I don't understand the change.

12:29Up until today, I do not understand the change.

12:31I will say I was slightly disappointed that Claudia didn't give me a shoulder to do that.

12:38But at the same time, for me then, I was processing.

12:43I thought, OK, now I'm a faithful.

12:45How do I play the game as a faithful?

12:47Because in my mind, I've always been a traitor.

12:49So now it is like, OK, how do I do this?

12:52So in the end, unfortunately, you couldn't convince enough people and you were banished.

12:57But with only four votes, that's all it took to banish you.

13:00I'm so upset.

13:02And I even messed up my outro as well.

13:05I wanted to cuss and carry on and leave it with Mark.

13:08Like, Mark.

13:09I didn't get time to do that.

13:11Yeah.

13:11But it is what it is.

13:12But I'm hoping this is out.

13:18Saying nothing.

13:18I'm saying nothing.

13:19Of course you're not saying anything.

13:20I'll get in trouble.

13:20Nobody says anything in Scotland.

13:23Nobody says anything.

13:25This is the exciting bit, because you're about to find out who the traitors are.

13:28Who do you think might be a traitor?

13:30Mark.

13:31We've got Mark in there.

13:32Too quick.

13:33It's not too quick at all.

13:35Why do you think it's Mark?

13:36Take us through all of the reasons.

13:37I think Mark.

13:39Because I think we were getting close and he didn't like that.

13:42And he could see that I was going to get him.

13:46I think Miss Seeley.

13:49I think she would love the cloak.

13:51I don't want it to be her, but I think it could be her.

13:54I'm thinking Nick.

13:55Nick.

13:56Yeah.

13:57He's very smart.

13:59Yeah.

13:59And, you know, he can play up on the baby face.

14:03Let's talk about your guaranteed faithfuls.

14:06Jonathan.

14:06Yeah.

14:06I think he's a faithful.

14:08I'd be gutted if he's a traitor.

14:11Claire.

14:11I don't think Claire.

14:14Ruth.

14:15As well.

14:15I don't think Ruth.

14:16So, look, we've heard your traitor suspicions and you're guaranteed faithful.

14:20So, now it's time for you to see who the traitors are.

14:23Wow.

14:24What is your scroll?

14:29Oh, here we go.

14:31Here we go.

14:32Here we go.

14:34Here we go.

14:35No!

14:35Jonathan!

14:36But he was so nice!

14:39You see, now, I thought he might be, but I thought, no, I don't want it to be Jonathan.

14:44No!

14:45He was one of your guaranteed faithfuls.

14:46At the beginning, I thought, could he be?

14:49But then I thought it might be obvious.

14:50But he was so nice and welcoming to me.

14:53Should we have a look at the next traitor?

14:54I don't know.

14:56Can we not get a commercial break?

14:58Not on the BBC.

14:59Oh, of course, of course.

15:01Oh my God, I don't know if I can do this now.

15:04Okay, it's this.

15:13Meow!

15:17Meow!

15:21Really?

15:22Yes, really.

15:22We wouldn't lie to you now.

15:24Cat is a traitor.

15:26You had no suspicions over Cat.

15:28No.

15:29You seem more surprised by Cat than Jonathan.

15:31Yeah.

15:33I really am.

15:35Oh no, maybe I don't know how to play the game.

15:40Should we have a look at the next one?

15:42Just have the brandy on standby.

15:43Alan!

15:52Alan!

15:54You know something?

15:55I want to go back.

15:56Where's the driver?

15:57No, Alan.

16:00Alan!

16:01And these are real.

16:02These are real.

16:03We wouldn't make them up now, Tameka.

16:05Do you think you're still in the game?

16:07Do you think this is?

16:10Can I find this in the fire?

16:11I've had it now.

16:11And a very warm welcome to the podcast, Tameka, Maddy and Freddie!

16:22Tameka, we're absolutely thrilled to have you here, of course.

16:24We wish it wasn't under these circumstances.

16:26I know.

16:26Me too, Eddie.

16:27Me too.

16:27Yeah, but you're here.

16:29But it's good.

16:29It's kind of good we get you in early because I was excited to see you again.

16:32Bless you, my love.

16:33I miss you too.

16:34And you too, of course.

16:35Oh, thank you.

16:35You too, of course.

16:37Lovely to have you back, Maddy.

16:39And Freddie.

16:39Welcome back.

16:40Finally getting to watch the show and not being involved in it.

16:43Maddy, I've got a question to ask you.

16:45As someone who's snooped a lot in the castle, when you were snooping,

16:48did you tell people you were snooping?

16:50I think so.

16:52It's good to lay all your cards out.

16:54Maybe it's an actor thing.

16:56Just be honest and say it how it is.

16:58But I love you on EastEnders, by the way.

17:00Bless you, my love, Maddy.

17:02You do so much for the square.

17:04Like, you really make everyone laugh and then they treat you like this.

17:07I know.

17:08Around the table.

17:09Respect, Maddy.

17:10I know.

17:10Do you know what I mean?

17:11She's doing her being.

17:12I'm glad that you understand, babe.

17:13Love it.

17:13Tariqa, you were obviously very shocked by who the traitors were when you found out.

17:17Oh, I was so shocked.

17:19But now you've had a bit of distance.

17:20Is there one in particular that you were more shocked by than the others?

17:24In the back of my mind, I thought, Jonathan.

17:26I thought, no, he's nice.

17:28It's nice.

17:29It can't be him.

17:29It can't be.

17:31And then, of course, it was him.

17:32Yeah.

17:33So funny enough, it was Jonathan that said to me, oh, everybody's going for Nico.

17:38You should say Nico.

17:39And I'm like, hello.

17:41Is that a trait of behavior?

17:42Yeah.

17:43And then I thought, well, actually, no, because he hasn't shown me anything to show me that

17:48he is a traitor.

17:49So I didn't vote for Nico.

17:51And I really felt for Nico.

17:52I think he got done dirty from like misconceptions of like, because he's a great gamer and stuff

17:56like that.

17:57So I think people would have already.

17:58That's what I'm saying with celebrity traitors.

18:00You all kind of know each other.

18:01Whereas when we went in it, we're all random strangers.

18:03Yeah.

18:04I could be like, I mean, you could tell if I was lying anyway.

18:05But you could, I don't know what these people are like.

18:08So like, it doesn't matter.

18:09But when you guys, you know what everyone's like.

18:11Well, everyone's grasping at straws anyway, right?

18:13Yeah.

18:13They've almost gotten them before they even go into the castle.

18:16They're like, well, he does pranks on YouTube.

18:18So we could probably use that.

18:19You know, you're an actor.

18:20We might be able to use that sort of thing.

18:22Yeah.

18:23So let's talk about the missions, Tamika.

18:25In this episode, we saw you being greeted by druids.

18:29Firstly, how did it feel seeing seeing those guys?

18:31They seem pretty intimidating.

18:32Mate, I, I don't do horror films, right?

18:36I don't do horror films.

18:37I don't do forests.

18:39I don't do mud.

18:41So hang on, what do you mean you don't do forests?

18:43You don't want to go in them?

18:44You don't want to look at pictures?

18:45If I don't, if we're driving through it, we can drive through.

18:47I don't want to stop.

18:48Yeah.

18:49And then once we got into the cabin, I thought, do me a favour.

18:53Well, let's remind ourselves of that moment.

18:57It's filling up, though.

18:58Look, it's filling up.

18:59It's filling up.

19:00You're not going to drown, Tamika, are you?

19:04Are you all right?

19:04Do you want to go?

19:05I just want to get out.

19:06I can't, I can't help you.

19:07I can't help you in here.

19:11Yeah.

19:11I thought I was going to, because it was filling up.

19:13It wasn't filled.

19:14It was filling.

19:15Yeah.

19:15I mean, even before all the water started and you were locked in the cabin,

19:19it wasn't long until things got scary and stinky.

19:22Quite literally, Celia's fart.

19:24Let's have a look.

19:26Welcome to the worst team building away day experience in history.

19:36What just happened?

19:37I just farted, Claudia.

19:39Oh, she's amazing.

19:42She's amazing.

19:43Miss Sealy, I love that she owned it.

19:45That was so brilliant.

19:46I just thought, yes.

19:47So true.

19:47Absolutely.

19:48Just let it go if you need to.

19:49Good on her.

19:50Own up to it.

19:51Everyone loved her for it.

19:52I don't think there's anyone else who could have gotten away with that.

19:55I don't think so.

19:55No.

19:56But under pressure as well, you just can't control your bowels.

19:59Do you know what I mean?

20:00I only fart once every six months, honestly.

20:05Maddy, what are you talking about?

20:06No, I'm serious.

20:07I hardly fart.

20:08I wish I only farted once every six months.

20:11I will say as well that Celia has approved that being included.

20:15In this case, it's better in than out.

20:17Yeah.

20:18Exactly.

20:19Let's say it for Miss Celia, guys.

20:21Yeah, I love her.

20:22Yeah.

20:23One of the finest television farts of all time.

20:26Well, it's time to hear from our final player, Tom.

20:29Here's what happened when I met him just after he left the game,

20:32including him finding out which dastardly traitors murdered him.

20:42Hello.

20:44Welcome to Unclosed.

20:45Oh, thank you.

20:46Thank you so much for coming.

20:47Take a seat.

20:47I can't believe I'm dead.

20:53How does it feel to be murdered?

20:54You know, it feels painful to get murdered.

20:58I went in there wanting to be a traitor, mainly because I like control.

21:03So I feel like that would have been a good opportunity to be able to control it.

21:06But then as soon as I started playing as a faithful, I loved that as well,

21:11because it was then I wanted to regain as much control as possible.

21:15And my whole game plan was to try and fly under the radar,

21:18and then I couldn't keep my mouth shut.

21:19I think this is an issue a lot of people are having in there, though, as well.

21:24Yeah.

21:24I think people are trying to be quiet and trying to...

21:26But this is not why anyone's a celebrity.

21:28No one's a celebrity because they're a wallflower, right?

21:30Keep their mouth shut.

21:31Yeah, exactly.

21:32They're used to gabbing.

21:33Now, this is a very exciting moment.

21:34Oh, I'm actually nervous.

21:35And I know it's a moment you've been waiting for for a long time.

21:37Yeah.

21:38You're going to find out who the traitors are.

21:40I'm going to make you wait a little bit longer.

21:42Because I want to know from you who you think they are before I reveal it.

21:46Claire and Kate were people that I was on quite early on.

21:51So why did you think Claire and Kate?

21:53Well, there's just something about them that just felt like it changed,

21:56and they started taking way more control than they did have in terms of the presence

22:00they had before the roundtable.

22:03Celia certainly got way more confident after the roundtable,

22:07the way she kind of like danced into the bar that I was like,

22:10what? You didn't say anything to me before.

22:12And then all of a sudden, and I was like, what's going on here?

22:15And then also, she was saying, these traitors are so smart.

22:19And I was like, it would be genius if she was a traitor to like back her up.

22:24I think Stephen could be a traitor.

22:27Alan, I think, because I confided in him a lot.

22:31I think he would make a great traitor.

22:33He was very easy to deflect with humor and just kind of like change the subject.

22:37Oh, yeah, I'm a killer. And I'm like, well, yeah, you could be actually.

22:42And then Lucy towards the end made me think, oh,

22:46you could be a great traitor because you give off the innocent act.

22:49And actually, I feel like you've got some daggers in there somewhere.

22:53Okay.

22:54Oh, I kind of don't want to know.

22:56Yeah.

22:57All right.

22:57I'll just chuck it in the fire.

22:58Don't chuck it in the fire.

22:59I want to know.

23:00There we go.

23:01Oh, my gosh.

23:02I'm actually really scared about this.

23:04So, one by one, let's see the names.

23:12Jonathan.

23:18Not mentioned there by you beforehand.

23:20No, I can see that.

23:22So, it makes sense to you, Jonathan.

23:24Yeah, I think it can make sense.

23:26Like, it's the game, isn't it?

23:27Like, you've got to go undetected.

23:29Yeah.

23:30Can I go to the next one?

23:31Yeah, let's see if this person makes sense.

23:34Cat.

23:42But why would they get rid of me?

23:44Out of Jonathan and Cat, I don't understand why they would kill me yet.

23:48You wanted to rattle the tracers, but do you think maybe you rattled them slightly too much?

23:51That might make sense why I've been murdered.

23:53Can I go to the next one?

23:54Yes.

24:01There it was.

24:03You said Alan.

24:05It makes sense.

24:05That first night, you know, we had this thing and I looked him in the eye and I was like,

24:09you're a traitor.

24:10Like, I said something about him being a traitor.

24:12And then he went, yeah, yeah, yeah.

24:13And then he turned away, like, really quickly.

24:15Yeah.

24:17I just didn't want it to see it be Alan.

24:20But you got it right.

24:20You should be happy.

24:21Yeah, but I'm not in the game anymore.

24:24It doesn't matter.

24:27Okay.

24:27Well, can I find out how they got killed in plain sight?

24:31I can't tell you that, Tom.

24:31You're joking!

24:32So, Tom got it right with Alan, but he never brought it up at the round table and it didn't

24:42matter anyway because they murdered him.

24:44How cruel a move do you think it was to murder Tom, Freddie?

24:47I can't believe Tom's Eddie's gone out this early, but I would say, if you just look at

24:51his face, he just gives faithful.

24:53There's no world where he would be a traitor.

24:55He's very cute.

24:55So, like, it's probably an obvious choice to murder him, unfortunately.

24:59But he did have a bit of heat on him.

25:01There was some discussions about Tom at the round table.

25:03So, why would you, as a traitor, then murder someone who might come up for banishment the

25:08night after?

25:10Because he's like the adorable one.

25:11Like, he's not the one that you're going to want to murder.

25:13So, you don't think he would have been banished?

25:15No, I don't think so.

25:16Unless it whittled down to near the end and you're like, oh, double bluff.

25:19I'm not sure, I think he might have been.

25:19He might have been banished, I think.

25:21So, we've got Joe Marler talking to Joe Wilkinson about what they're now calling

25:26the big dog theory.

25:27Oh, I love that.

25:28Jonathan Ross leading the traitors.

25:29Stephen Fry leading the faith.

25:31I think it's a genuinely brilliant theory.

25:33To give it a name as well, the big dog theory.

25:35He brought it up at the round table as well.

25:37Did you consider that that was maybe the case, Tameka?

25:40Yeah, because you've got the big personalities and also they're quite tall as well.

25:46Do you know what I mean?

25:47Quite intimidating as well, especially to me anyway, do you know?

25:51And it is one of those things where, you know, he could be the favourite because Stephen is so

25:55intelligent.

25:55Yeah.

25:56Do you know what I mean?

25:57You could just say one subject and he will just talk and you will be educated.

26:01You just marvel at his brain.

26:04Yeah.

26:04Do you know what I mean?

26:05And then again, equally in a different way, Jonathan as well.

26:09He's got a big personality and he's very comfortable to talk with.

26:14And you could see that he could easily lead you down the wrong road.

26:18I think with Jonathan, I think that'll be his downfall because he's very like talkative and

26:21very, I think he'll just say the wrong thing.

26:23Like he's already done it to Ruth saying about the Alliance thing.

26:25I think he just, he doesn't realise how much he's talking.

26:28Yes.

26:28Kat on the other hand is very like under the radar.

26:30And everything she said, she's thought about.

26:32She's like, you can tell there's been a lot of like detail and strategy.

26:35And that was Jonathan kind of like, even when he said to Alan, like, do you have a few words?

26:38It's like, that's a bit like backstabbing kind of.

26:40Yeah.

26:41Yeah.

26:41So the episode ended with the traitors discussing who they're going to murder.

26:45And it's between David, Ruth and Charlotte.

26:48Which of those do you think would be the smartest move by the traitors?

26:52David.

26:52David, yeah.

26:53He looks, he's got glasses.

26:54He looks intelligent.

26:55They better not kill Ruth, you know?

26:57I think if they kill Ruth, that's going to be a bit much.

27:00So out of order.

27:01I think Charlotte.

27:02Yeah, I think Charlotte or David.

27:04Really?

27:04Just not Ruth.

27:05Just not Ruth.

27:06Just protect Ruth off, she's getting it right.

27:08I agree.

27:09She's amazing.

27:10Now, Tamika, you said you were unhappy with the exit speech that you gave.

27:13So we on Uncloaked would like to give you an opportunity to redo your leaving speech.

27:19So please, finally get it off your chest.

27:21What did you want to say?

27:23I would have said, no, no, no, no, no.

27:29I'm not going.

27:32Because I'm the best person you've ever had in here, Claudia.

27:36And there's no way I'm going to go, no, no, no, no, no way I'm living without you.

27:42You're going to live without me.

27:45I'm not going to be free.

27:48Because I'm staying.

27:50I'm staying.

27:51And you, and you, and Mark, you're going to love me.

27:55It's what I would have said.

27:57It's what I would have said, guys.

27:59Yes, Tamika.

27:59It's what I would have said.

28:01Especially for crew, guys.

28:03Tamika, Freddie and Maddie, it's been an absolute pleasure having you here on Uncloaked.

28:06Thank you very much for being here.

28:08And if you're craving more, then head over to BBC Sounds for the bonus episode where the chat continues.

28:12We'll be getting more exclusive intel from Tamika and getting Freddie and Maddie's perspectives as former players.

28:18Scan the QR code on screen now.

28:21We'll be back after episode four for more Uncloaked goodness.

28:24But until then, I'm Ed Gamble.

28:26Stay faithful.

28:27We'll be back after episode four for more Uncloaked goodness.

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